Re: Limewire
Although the bulk of the money earned by the artists comes from the concerts and other merchandizing schemes and not from sales of CDs. The money from the CD sales mostly goes to the music companies. So perhaps the formula is: no greedy music company, no unhappy artists = better and more available music. What a happy, happy world that would be. :) On Wednesday, Apr 20, 2005, at 22:35 US/Central, Tim Collier wrote: Interesting answer. I was thinking as I read it.hmmm, no music industry, then nobody to pay artists, no artists being paid, no music! What a sad, sad world that would be. Just my thoughts, Tim On Apr 20, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: Brian said: The relevance is that I am trying to figure out if one day I'll get in legal trouble just for having it on my hard drive, give the implications of a program like this. Today, no. In the future, who knows. I know the EU countries have been persuaded by the film and music companies to more or less ban p2p sharing technologies. IMHO this is a violation against the EU regulations for trade barriers. My friends are marketing their music trough these channels and so will I if I ever release anything. I don't need record companies. The music industry as of now will wither and it's only time before the film industry goes the same way. In the latter case that's probably both good and bad. I won't miss the music industry of today, however. But this issue is very offtopic, so let's drop it now (soon anyway) or take it offlist. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
On Apr 21, 2005, at 7:37 AM, Nima wrote: Although the bulk of the money earned by the artists comes from the concerts and other merchandizing schemes and not from sales of CDs. The money from the CD sales mostly goes to the music companies. Many artists in all genres are producing and releasing CDs independently. It can cost an independent artist tens of thousands of dollars (or Euros, etc) to record and master their album. Thus the artist needs to sell 1000-5000 CDs simply to break even. We're not talking profit, just recouping costs. If someone copies a CD instead of buying it, the potential that the big bad greedy music company that is being ripped off is actually an artist with boxes of CDs collecting dust in the basement. Seth --- Seth Austen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sethausten.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
Yes. You are right. Sharing music has a potential, although slim, to hurt independent do-it-yourself artists. Although there are many artists who have benefited from sharing by having been able to bypass the monopoly the music industry exercises on distribution. On Thursday, Apr 21, 2005, at 07:04 US/Central, Seth Austen wrote: On Apr 21, 2005, at 7:37 AM, Nima wrote: Although the bulk of the money earned by the artists comes from the concerts and other merchandizing schemes and not from sales of CDs. The money from the CD sales mostly goes to the music companies. Many artists in all genres are producing and releasing CDs independently. It can cost an independent artist tens of thousands of dollars (or Euros, etc) to record and master their album. Thus the artist needs to sell 1000-5000 CDs simply to break even. We're not talking profit, just recouping costs. If someone copies a CD instead of buying it, the potential that the big bad greedy music company that is being ripped off is actually an artist with boxes of CDs collecting dust in the basement. Seth --- Seth Austen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sethausten.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
Bruce Johnson said: At the same time, 85% of all the traffic in the dorms was shown to be napster/grokster/kazaa/limewire related. At these levels it isn't just some nusiance, it's a significant detriment to network availability for legitimate use.) That's what these technologies, starting with napster, were intended for in the first place, that's what they've largely been used for, and that's what they continue to be used for. Yes they have legitimate uses, and mere possession of the software should not be viewed with suspicion, however, the preponderance of evidence shows that what people are sharing is largely music files, films and warez. So what's stopping you from putting a bandwidth quota on these services? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire (OT)
Tim Collier said: Interesting answer. I was thinking as I read it.hmmm, no music industry, then nobody to pay artists, no artists being paid, no music! What a sad, sad world that would be. So you have a hard time getting it or what? My point was that the record companies of *now*, ie as they are structured now, will wither, because there will be new alternatives for distributing online, that will in many cases give an opportunity for new types of business models, that to a large extent will prevent the big 6 or whatever corporations that own all the other record companies in the world (!) from controlling the action. This is good. The big evil mogule record company of the 20th Century is a dodo. Good riddance when they are replaced (which will be a long process of course). The main reason music industry is doing so bad is inflated record prices, that they haven't been following with their times. I'm quite sure what people want to pay for is artists not record companies as they are now. It's very possible to create new business models online. It's actually hard work getting music for free (as if time was free) on the sharing networks and in many cases well worth to spend about $1 or so per track. Which is why there is a big incentive to actually purchase music. But it has to be done right. So far the only well done alternatives I know of is iTunes Music Store and Beatport http://www.beatport.com and swedish Dotshop http://www.dotshop.se, though the latter doesn't sell downloadable tracks yet I think, but they will and they do sell CDs for $14.50 incl. local shipping (normal prices like $20 or more here (with shipping or in the shops )). If you as many record companies think it's possible to turn back now, I think you're very mistaken. If online sharing is prevented, I think a majority not buying CDs will continue to not buy these. Online services will grow if and only if they have good services, treat the customers right and have a fair price, possibly varying with demand. The only way to meet this situation is head on and not by bullying people to buy music. Because that doesn't work. The situation now is similar to the situation when the punk music had pawed the way for independent record companies in the early eighties. It took the major labels well over a decade to get control of the situation again and independent labels have continued to play a significant part in the evolution of music, again also in the late eighties/early nighties, when the dance music revolution changed the musical landscape worldwide (except for many years in the US). It's still a delight to think of the fact that some tracks for a period of time in the made it to number one in the UK without major channel airplay and without massive store presence, solely by being sold off trucks and markets, often with any label at all (which also happened for a brief period during the early punk era). The reason they could do that was because DJs played tracks in big outdoor parties and on (non profit) pirate radio. The majors, the radio stations and the record companies, initially didn't get it as many times before, that the market for music was changing very very fast. They were actually bypassed to a large extent. Of course, they got hold of the situation again, but things was changed for the better a while at least. Ok, I'm sorry for the length and prolonging this offtopic subject, but I feel strongly about this issue. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
On Apr 20, 2005, at 8:35 PM, Tim Collier wrote: Interesting answer. I was thinking as I read it.hmmm, no music industry, then nobody to pay artists, no artists being paid, no music! Music and musicians were around long, long before the music industry was there. -- Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
Folks, Can we drop this thread? I don't see anymore how it is related to PowerBooks G3 or G4... Thanks! -Laurent. G-Books List Nanny -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fudge: 1. vt. To perform in an incomplete but marginally acceptable way, particularly with respect to the writing of a program. I didn't feel like going through that pain and suffering, so I fudged it -- I'll fix it later. 2. n. The resulting code. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
On Apr 21, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: So what's stopping you from putting a bandwidth quota on these services? Nothing, in fact the study that produced the startling statistics was done to support just such throttling. It was done in the dorm subnets, the worst offenders (accompanied with much wailing and gnashing of teeth at the time); in the other parts of the University it's an issue of inappropriate (and illegal) use of state property. (though that line is blurry, since in many cases systems in research labs actually belong to the grant holder, not the state, moreover large numbers of grad students and even faculty have their own systems on the network. Also, network administration on campus is enormously decentralized, since the computer network was never (and still isn't to some extent) viewed as a purely infrastructure item, like power and phones, but done on a department-by-department and College-by-College basis. It's a mess, but it works. It has also kept us remarkably free from some of the crippling outages experienced by more centralized institutions during various virus and other exploit outbreaks. (for example, Melissa didn't hit us too bad; it completely shut down e-mail at Arizona State up in Tempe. They have the rigid, centralized corporate model of IT up there. Like the reed in a storm, we're flexible, and various parts of campus can easily be quarantined to prevent spread of something. Up north, all roads lead to IT. Everyone must use the central mail server, Exchange-based, of course, dontcha know. On the other hand it was well into the 90's before the UA actually had a general access e-mail system in place, which is why we have a proliferation of academic units (like ours) with their own domain, mail servers, etc. If you wanted e-mail you had to roll your own.) It's complicated, as always, by issues of academic freedom, our status as a public institution and such. This can be an interesting place to work sometimes. Suffice it to say, it's somewhere in between a business and private homes. Anyone who thinks that a University can be efficiently run like a business a) has never worked in one, and b) has never read Dilbert, which after all, arose out of 'efficient' business. I hold no great love for the recoding industry as it stands, and sincerely hope that the proliferation of online sources of music, coupled with the rapidly dwindling costs of music production do in fact fundamentally change the balance in favor of the artists. The industry as it stands now is remarkably like indentured servitude for the majority of artists with contracts. -- Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
'Ok, I'll admit I'm kinda dinosour (jr) here, but it all reminds me of what's discussed at the URL below. http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/II/IWtbF.html Once something is digitized, it's just like DNA/RNA. Endlessly copyable/reproducible. Copyright/intellectual property issues are now what the US 'Wild West' was, say 1850-1890. Wyatt Earp, OK Corral, Civil War, Indian Wars...continental migration (gold rush, Oregon Trail) Haven't resarched much, but I'll take whatever stand EFF has. silicon/code is like clay or water. many shapes/forms/malleable. We are stardust, we are golden; we are billion year old carbon... Joni Mitchell Woodstock used w/o permission -- JP [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
What about security issues? I turned on my computer the other day, without loading limeware, and while in iTunes I saw mike's limewire iTunes library or something like that. I loaded limewire and selected disconnect, so I assume I'm no longer connected to limewire, but still, I'm wondering what kind of malicious attention I might attract on there. Brian On Apr 19, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Stanton Mitrany wrote: I've used it for a couple of years, and never even considered it as a mechanism to download software. It's great for things such as finding images, such as those of the recent tsunamis and resultant devastation. There's lots of informative stuff out there folks have posted to share with others. From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:20:30 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: Limewire The relevance is that I am trying to figure out if one day I'll get in legal trouble just for having it on my hard drive, give the implications of a program like this. If you look at the description of limewire from a computer novice point of view, it looks as though it is around for nothing else but to pirate software. I'm not saying that it is for that, so please don't quote me as saying otherwise. I just wanted to know what anyone had to say about it. Brian On Apr 19, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Mikael Byström wrote: Brian said: what I find shady is his insistance on limewire as a means of obtaining software titles. He never mentioned to file, chat etc features. Brian And you don't peruse the web because there is porn out there? Ehum. How is this on topic anyway? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
On Apr 20, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Brian wrote: The relevance is that I am trying to figure out if one day I'll get in legal trouble just for having it on my hard drive, give the implications of a program like this. If you look at the description of limewire from a computer novice point of view, it looks as though it is around for nothing else but to pirate software. I'm not saying that it is for that, so please don't quote me as saying otherwise. I just wanted to know what anyone had to say about it. I think an appropriate analogy might be that it's like a gun -- possessing one is generally not illegal, but using one to commit a crime is. -patch -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
Brian said: The relevance is that I am trying to figure out if one day I'll get in legal trouble just for having it on my hard drive, give the implications of a program like this. Today, no. In the future, who knows. I know the EU countries have been persuaded by the film and music companies to more or less ban p2p sharing technologies. IMHO this is a violation against the EU regulations for trade barriers. My friends are marketing their music trough these channels and so will I if I ever release anything. I don't need record companies. The music industry as of now will wither and it's only time before the film industry goes the same way. In the latter case that's probably both good and bad. I won't miss the music industry of today, however. But this issue is very offtopic, so let's drop it now (soon anyway) or take it offlist. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
On Apr 20, 2005, at 6:21 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: Today, no. In the future, who knows. I know the EU countries have been persuaded by the film and music companies to more or less ban p2p sharing technologies. That also bans OS X, Linux and Windows, as all offer peer-to-peer networking. On our network here we specifically ban the use of those clients, but largely because we've found they turn into gigantic bandwidth suckers which impact our official use of the network. Why? because they're used pretty much exclusively for trading songs, films and pirated software, usually on a large scale. (one person here on campus had a library of 12,000 MP3 files they were actively sharing. At one point that one workstation was using 90% of the bandwidth capacity for their entire center, several hundred people, with an equal number of computers. Given that the business of the center is cancer research, this was an entirely inappropriate use of bandwidth, and they were shut down. At the same time, 85% of all the traffic in the dorms was shown to be napster/grokster/kazaa/limewire related. At these levels it isn't just some nusiance, it's a significant detriment to network availability for legitimate use.) That's what these technologies, starting with napster, were intended for in the first place, that's what they've largely been used for, and that's what they continue to be used for. Yes they have legitimate uses, and mere possession of the software should not be viewed with suspicion, however, the preponderance of evidence shows that what people are sharing is largely music files, films and warez. Get on the networks and browse, see what's there... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Phar macy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
As I see it Limewire is only as shady as the individuals motivations for using it. Yes it can be used to download illegal music and the like but it can also be used for perfectly legitimate purposes, such as patch downloads for older software titles and the like and non copyrighted images. There is also the ability for creative users to share stuff they have created themselves etc. I personally find it the best of the bunch in terms of P2P clients. ADi -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
Interesting answer. I was thinking as I read it.hmmm, no music industry, then nobody to pay artists, no artists being paid, no music! What a sad, sad world that would be. Just my thoughts, Tim On Apr 20, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: Brian said: The relevance is that I am trying to figure out if one day I'll get in legal trouble just for having it on my hard drive, give the implications of a program like this. Today, no. In the future, who knows. I know the EU countries have been persuaded by the film and music companies to more or less ban p2p sharing technologies. IMHO this is a violation against the EU regulations for trade barriers. My friends are marketing their music trough these channels and so will I if I ever release anything. I don't need record companies. The music industry as of now will wither and it's only time before the film industry goes the same way. In the latter case that's probably both good and bad. I won't miss the music industry of today, however. But this issue is very offtopic, so let's drop it now (soon anyway) or take it offlist. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, at 11:35 PM, Tim Collier wrote: Interesting answer. I was thinking as I read it.hmmm, no music industry, then nobody to pay artists, no artists being paid, no music! What a sad, sad world that would be. Just my thoughts, Tim On Apr 20, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: Brian said: The relevance is that I am trying to figure out if one day I'll get in legal trouble just for having it on my hard drive, give the implications of a program like this. Today, no. In the future, who knows. I know the EU countries have been persuaded by the film and music companies to more or less ban p2p sharing technologies. IMHO this is a violation against the EU regulations for trade barriers. My friends are marketing their music trough these channels and so will I if I ever release anything. I don't need record companies. There are economic models of distributing music directly to consumers using P2P. For many artists without a marketing budget backing them, it works. (This is sometimes covered in general interest business magazines.) Also, academics are beginning to use P2P for sharing work and scholarly communication. If the technology is restricted, it would be a shame. Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
Brian said: what I find shady is his insistance on limewire as a means of obtaining software titles. He never mentioned to file, chat etc features. Brian And you don't peruse the web because there is porn out there? Ehum. How is this on topic anyway? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
The relevance is that I am trying to figure out if one day I'll get in legal trouble just for having it on my hard drive, give the implications of a program like this. If you look at the description of limewire from a computer novice point of view, it looks as though it is around for nothing else but to pirate software. I'm not saying that it is for that, so please don't quote me as saying otherwise. I just wanted to know what anyone had to say about it. Brian On Apr 19, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Mikael Byström wrote: Brian said: what I find shady is his insistance on limewire as a means of obtaining software titles. He never mentioned to file, chat etc features. Brian And you don't peruse the web because there is porn out there? Ehum. How is this on topic anyway? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
I've used it for a couple of years, and never even considered it as a mechanism to download software. It's great for things such as finding images, such as those of the recent tsunamis and resultant devastation. There's lots of informative stuff out there folks have posted to share with others. From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:20:30 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: Limewire The relevance is that I am trying to figure out if one day I'll get in legal trouble just for having it on my hard drive, give the implications of a program like this. If you look at the description of limewire from a computer novice point of view, it looks as though it is around for nothing else but to pirate software. I'm not saying that it is for that, so please don't quote me as saying otherwise. I just wanted to know what anyone had to say about it. Brian On Apr 19, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Mikael Byström wrote: Brian said: what I find shady is his insistance on limewire as a means of obtaining software titles. He never mentioned to file, chat etc features. Brian And you don't peruse the web because there is porn out there? Ehum. How is this on topic anyway? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Limewire
A friend of mine has been telling me how I NEED limewire lately, and should DL immediately. It seemed a bit shady, but I DLed, and now it seems more shady than before. Does anyone have any experience with it? If I decide to keep it around, what should I keep it around for? Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
On Apr 17, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Brian wrote: A friend of mine has been telling me how I NEED limewire lately, and should DL immediately. It seemed a bit shady, but I DLed, and now it seems more shady than before. Does anyone have any experience with it? If I decide to keep it around, what should I keep it around for? Brian Limewire isn't shady. It is just a P2P application for downloading pictures, files, chat, video, music and whatever else. Web: http://www.apockotos.com Skype Me: callto://apockotos -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Limewire
what I find shady is his insistance on limewire as a means of obtaining software titles. He never mentioned to file, chat etc features. Brian On Apr 17, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Peter Apockotos wrote: On Apr 17, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Brian wrote: A friend of mine has been telling me how I NEED limewire lately, and should DL immediately. It seemed a bit shady, but I DLed, and now it seems more shady than before. Does anyone have any experience with it? If I decide to keep it around, what should I keep it around for? Brian Limewire isn't shady. It is just a P2P application for downloading pictures, files, chat, video, music and whatever else. Web: http://www.apockotos.com Skype Me: callto://apockotos -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
