OT: the long arm of the law
So let's quit being paranoid and let some common sense prevail. Here here. The law is a very flexible thing folks. If all the laws were strictly enforced this country would come to a screeching halt. The underground economy alone is huge. None of those folks on craigslist are paying their state sales taxes on items sold. Cars speed. My neighbors make more noise than is legal and throw their McNuggets wrappers on the street. Some of them do anyway. Legal is a joke. Money and power is king. Got money and power and you can use the legal system to get more of both. But as a practical matter all us little people can and do, and will forever be borrowing on the airwaves. The idea of always obeying all the laws seems to me an impossible ideal. I'm not a strict relativist but I do believe that large corporations will always be using the law to squeeze money out of the general population, and the jails and courts will be full of poor people. For the ultimate example of legal absurdity just take our president, who does anything he wants in the name of national security. No warrants necessary. Don't need to tell you all what I'm doing. I'll just sign a bill with a little excuse me paragraph at the end and call my acts legal. Torture's fine. The very idea of Presidential Signing Statements is strictly illegal, against the terms of the Constitution. The executive branch of our government is not empowered to either interpret the laws nor write them. But ithese signing statements are tacked onto bills because there's nobody out there to stop it. If you support him you think it's not illegal. If you oppose him you want to see the law stop what's being done. The law itself just sort of floats on the lumpy shoulders of police and judges and sometimes legislators. Laws are rules made by men for men's purposes. They have less than nothing to do with morality. Our broadband habits are harmless compared to most of what is inflicted on the poor in the name of the law. Ok, Ok I'm sorry. This isn't a forum for anarchy. Yet there are some questions of social contract that peek in on us when we're out there with our portable wireless machines. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OT: the long arm of the law
John Siple wrote: The law is a very flexible thing folks. If all the laws were strictly enforced this country would come to a screeching halt. The underground economy alone is huge. None of those folks on craigslist are paying their state sales taxes on items sold. Cars speed. My neighbors make more noise than is legal and throw their McNuggets wrappers on the street. Of course, many of us stick to a personal code of conduct and do not justify our actions based on what others might do or not do. Fortunately, most us do not throw wrappers, make noise, speed around, nor fail to pay our taxes. We don't do it to set an example. We simply can't envision doing it any other way. As for Mr. Bush, he and his type will soon be retired. Give them enough rope. Too late for the thousands who have died needlessly under his watch. For me I'll hold myself to a higher standard of conduct until I see the need to break laws for damn good reasons and not because others do it. Chickens do come home to roost as Malcom X once said. Woody -- Woody, Retired in Albuquerque mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 35 Quality Middle School Art Lessons in powerpoint format, on one CD $17 (includes shipping) http://www.taospaint.com/QualityLessons.html Ordering Address: PO Box 91703 Albuquerque, NM87199-1703 “The function of the overwhelming majority of your artwork is simply to teach you how to make the small fraction of your artwork that soars.” from: “Art Fear” Woody's Watercolor Portfolio: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Watercolors.html Newest Fantastic Triplet Pics: http://www.taospaint.com/Kansas05/Christmas.html My newest watercolors: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Beach/Watercolors.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OT: the long arm of the law
Yep. Thanks. On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:41 PM, John Siple wrote: So let's quit being paranoid and let some common sense prevail. Here here. The law is a very flexible thing folks. If all the laws were strictly enforced this country would come to a screeching halt. The underground economy alone is huge. None of those folks on craigslist are paying their state sales taxes on items sold. Cars speed. My neighbors make more noise than is legal and throw their McNuggets wrappers on the street. Some of them do anyway. Legal is a joke. Money and power is king. Got money and power and you can use the legal system to get more of both. But as a practical matter all us little people can and do, and will forever be borrowing on the airwaves. The idea of always obeying all the laws seems to me an impossible ideal. I'm not a strict relativist but I do believe that large corporations will always be using the law to squeeze money out of the general population, and the jails and courts will be full of poor people. For the ultimate example of legal absurdity just take our president, who does anything he wants in the name of national security. No warrants necessary. Don't need to tell you all what I'm doing. I'll just sign a bill with a little excuse me paragraph at the end and call my acts legal. Torture's fine. The very idea of Presidential Signing Statements is strictly illegal, against the terms of the Constitution. The executive branch of our government is not empowered to either interpret the laws nor write them. But ithese signing statements are tacked onto bills because there's nobody out there to stop it. If you support him you think it's not illegal. If you oppose him you want to see the law stop what's being done. The law itself just sort of floats on the lumpy shoulders of police and judges and sometimes legislators. Laws are rules made by men for men's purposes. They have less than nothing to do with morality. Our broadband habits are harmless compared to most of what is inflicted on the poor in the name of the law. Ok, Ok I'm sorry. This isn't a forum for anarchy. Yet there are some questions of social contract that peek in on us when we're out there with our portable wireless machines. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Peter Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://disturbingthecomfortable.blogspot.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OT: the long arm of the law
Hello again G-Book list members, Please be aware that as a List Nanny, I attempt to maintain a relatively low profile in general. I am pleased to say that I participate in this list far more frequently in the capacity as a list member than I ever have as a list nanny. However, there are times when list nannies have to step in and intervene I feel this is one of them. I have seen other lists deteriorate with astonishing speed, into considerable mayhem, when seemingly innocuous or even general political comments were made and went unchecked. I do not want to see that happen to the G-Books and I am sure you don't either. Therefore, this is a general request to all list members to refrain from continuing this thread in a political vein. I respect that you all have political viewpoints but the G-Books list is simply not an appropriate place to discuss them. If you wish to discuss this with me any further, please contact me OFF-LIST and I will be happy to address any concerns or questions you may have. Thank you, Amber Robey G-Books List Nanny -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OT: the long arm of the law
Thanks. It is filling up my in-box at alarming speed. Ron On Sunday, January 15, 2006, at 00:40AM, Amber R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again G-Book list members, Please be aware that as a List Nanny, I attempt to maintain a relatively low profile in general. I am pleased to say that I participate in this list far more frequently in the capacity as a list member than I ever have as a list nanny. However, there are times when list nannies have to step in and intervene I feel this is one of them. I have seen other lists deteriorate with astonishing speed, into considerable mayhem, when seemingly innocuous or even general political comments were made and went unchecked. I do not want to see that happen to the G-Books and I am sure you don't either. Therefore, this is a general request to all list members to refrain from continuing this thread in a political vein. I respect that you all have political viewpoints but the G-Books list is simply not an appropriate place to discuss them. If you wish to discuss this with me any further, please contact me OFF-LIST and I will be happy to address any concerns or questions you may have. Thank you, Amber Robey G-Books List Nanny -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Ron Kent, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
