Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM
Drew. I got the machine running again. The case was that I thougt that the arrow up key was the option key. After being puzzled for a long time the switch went on. That made a big difference. And the sound didn't sound because the soundlevel was at 0. Thank you so much. You are my hero! What a knowledge. Now i have to find out how to show my old firewire HD on the desktop. Do i have to use jumpers? - Original Message - From: Andrew Kershaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:17 AM Subject: Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM Thank you Drew. I tried all your hints but Pismo doesn't make a start up sound. It goes straight to a grey screen with a small folder in the middle wich switches to a system icon and a question mark. What to do? That's strange. Some Macs when muted don't sound the startup chime... Don't know if that's the case with the Pismo or not... Try this: As soon as you hit the power button, hold down Apple-Option-O-F to boot into OpenFirmware. You should get a white-ish/grey screen with a text interface (it will look a bit like DOS does). Type reset-all return at the prompt. You Mac should reboot after you hit the return key. Then try holding down Apple-option-p-r to reset the PRAM... If after doing all this booting from a CD still doesn't work (by holding the c key at startup), then who knows... Failing all that, I'd check all the connections again - make sure to check that the keyboard is plugged in correctly, that all the RAM is seated correctly, and that both ends of the hard drive cable are firmly seated. You might even try using an external keyboard, just to be on the safe side. I'm also rather surprised that the PRAM reset didn't sound the startup chime the second time. Not that I doubt you, but are you sure you pressed all four buttons at the same time and that you pressed them immediately after (or even during) the startup chime (or right after pushing down the power button), then held them down until the screen lit up, went dark, PowerBook restarted, and repeated once or twice? The fact that you didn't hear a startup chime sounds odd - a PRAM reset done correctly _always_ sounds the startup chime on the re-boot. If that still doesn't work, then I'm stumped. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM
On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 02:47 AM, Sakshin de Groot wrote: Now i have to find out how to show my old firewire HD on the desktop. Do i have to use jumpers? Most firewire cases want to have the hard drive jumpered as master in order to work properly with the firewire bridgeboard. There should be a jumper on the drive, and a set of pins labeled either M and S, or M, S, and C depending on the drive. Place the jumper on the pair labeled M (for Master) and the drive should be ready to go with the case. Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM
Thank you Drew. I tried all your hints but Pismo doesn't make a start up sound. It goes straight to a grey screen with a small folder in the middle wich switches to a system icon and a question mark. What to do? - Original Message - From: Andrew Kershaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM Thank you Adam. I see if i can make the machine work with your tips.So far however, the machine doesn't start up from CD, even while pressing C. Have you tried resetting the PRAM? That usually clears the setting that defines which drive you have selected as the boot disk... To do it, hold down Apple-Option-P-R all at the same time after you hear the startup chime. You LCD will probably light up, then it will restart again. Let it cycle twice (wait for the chimes to sound two times) before you let go of the keys. Alternatively, you can hold down the Option key as soon as you hear the startup chimes. The PowerBook will scan all connected hard disks to find system folders and display them on the screen as buttons. Click on the icon represeting the disk you want to start with, and press return or hit the arrow button. (By the way, this is a handy trick if you want to switch your boot drive at startup but didn't change the startup disk before you shut down your Mac the last time. It's especially useful if you've got a bunch of external FireWire disks or expansion bay modules.) That should get you booted, at least. Then change your startup disk properly by using the Startup Disk control panel. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM
Well, it sounds like either he had a dual failure of DVD-ROM module and HD, or something with the logic board is going bad... I would see if you can get an Apple Certified tech in your area to take a look at it. On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 04:15 AM, Illovox Media wrote: Er, maybe the drive is unseated, the ribbon shot or the drive dead? on 10/6/03 3:36 AM, Sakshin de Groot at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Drew. I tried all your hints but Pismo doesn't make a start up sound. It goes straight to a grey screen with a small folder in the middle wich switches to a system icon and a question mark. What to do? - Original Message - From: Andrew Kershaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM Thank you Adam. I see if i can make the machine work with your tips.So far however, the machine doesn't start up from CD, even while pressing C. Have you tried resetting the PRAM? That usually clears the setting that defines which drive you have selected as the boot disk... To do it, hold down Apple-Option-P-R all at the same time after you hear the startup chime. You LCD will probably light up, then it will restart again. Let it cycle twice (wait for the chimes to sound two times) before you let go of the keys. Alternatively, you can hold down the Option key as soon as you hear the startup chimes. The PowerBook will scan all connected hard disks to find system folders and display them on the screen as buttons. Click on the icon represeting the disk you want to start with, and press return or hit the arrow button. (By the way, this is a handy trick if you want to switch your boot drive at startup but didn't change the startup disk before you shut down your Mac the last time. It's especially useful if you've got a bunch of external FireWire disks or expansion bay modules.) That should get you booted, at least. Then change your startup disk properly by using the Startup Disk control panel. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM
Thank you Drew. I tried all your hints but Pismo doesn't make a start up sound. It goes straight to a grey screen with a small folder in the middle wich switches to a system icon and a question mark. What to do? That's strange. Some Macs when muted don't sound the startup chime... Don't know if that's the case with the Pismo or not... Try this: As soon as you hit the power button, hold down Apple-Option-O-F to boot into OpenFirmware. You should get a white-ish/grey screen with a text interface (it will look a bit like DOS does). Type reset-all return at the prompt. You Mac should reboot after you hit the return key. Then try holding down Apple-option-p-r to reset the PRAM... If after doing all this booting from a CD still doesn't work (by holding the c key at startup), then who knows... Failing all that, I'd check all the connections again - make sure to check that the keyboard is plugged in correctly, that all the RAM is seated correctly, and that both ends of the hard drive cable are firmly seated. You might even try using an external keyboard, just to be on the safe side. I'm also rather surprised that the PRAM reset didn't sound the startup chime the second time. Not that I doubt you, but are you sure you pressed all four buttons at the same time and that you pressed them immediately after (or even during) the startup chime (or right after pushing down the power button), then held them down until the screen lit up, went dark, PowerBook restarted, and repeated once or twice? The fact that you didn't hear a startup chime sounds odd - a PRAM reset done correctly _always_ sounds the startup chime on the re-boot. If that still doesn't work, then I'm stumped. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM
Thank you Adam. I see if i can make the machine work with your tips.So far however, the machine doesn't start up from CD, even while pressing C. - Original Message - From: Krevnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM Hmm, two things come to mind... one is to make sure that jumpers on the 30GB drive are properly setup. For most drives, setting it up for cable select is good enough, and requires no jumpers to actually be set. The other is that by swapping the drives around like you did, confused the machine. Did you connect the old drive in the Sitecom case when the Pismo was on, or was the Pismo off when you connected it? I recommend double-checking the jumpers, then starting from a MacOS 9 CD if you can. Holding 'C' when booting will force OpenFirmware to load from the CD and it should boot, even in a confused state. Use Startup Disk to select the drive that is currently internal and restart. It should clear up the problem. Another thing you should probably check is that the cable to the HD is properly seated on both ends. I did a very bad thing when I installed my 40GB Hitachi into my Lombard and forgot to check the end connected to the logic board. Suffice it to say, I had fun reformatting and reinstalling 5 days later. Regards, Adam Thayer On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 08:33 AM, Sakshin de Groot wrote: i attached a new fire wire Toshiba 30 GB hard disk to my Pismo 400 by placing it in a case firewire case from SITECOM. art.no CN-600. It didn't show up at the desk top. After taking the firewire plug in and out many times after eachother, it showed up. I formatted it and installed system 9. Fine. Then i switched the disk with the original internal disk and started up. Fine. Then i connected the old disk externally (by placing it in the sitecom case) to the machine and it stalled. it was stuck. Now i switched the disks back and forth and in and out but it won't start up at all anymore. Not even from the start up CD. it keeps looking for a system wich it doesn't seem to find anymore. On each hard disk is a system folder. Before it totally refused to work i ran over it with all possible repair and check applications and they repaired quite al lot, but now... What to do? Who has any sugestions! Thanx, sakshin -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM
Thank you Adam. I see if i can make the machine work with your tips.So far however, the machine doesn't start up from CD, even while pressing C. Have you tried resetting the PRAM? That usually clears the setting that defines which drive you have selected as the boot disk... To do it, hold down Apple-Option-P-R all at the same time after you hear the startup chime. You LCD will probably light up, then it will restart again. Let it cycle twice (wait for the chimes to sound two times) before you let go of the keys. Alternatively, you can hold down the Option key as soon as you hear the startup chimes. The PowerBook will scan all connected hard disks to find system folders and display them on the screen as buttons. Click on the icon represeting the disk you want to start with, and press return or hit the arrow button. (By the way, this is a handy trick if you want to switch your boot drive at startup but didn't change the startup disk before you shut down your Mac the last time. It's especially useful if you've got a bunch of external FireWire disks or expansion bay modules.) That should get you booted, at least. Then change your startup disk properly by using the Startup Disk control panel. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: PISMO CAN'T FIND SYSTEM
Hmm, two things come to mind... one is to make sure that jumpers on the 30GB drive are properly setup. For most drives, setting it up for cable select is good enough, and requires no jumpers to actually be set. The other is that by swapping the drives around like you did, confused the machine. Did you connect the old drive in the Sitecom case when the Pismo was on, or was the Pismo off when you connected it? I recommend double-checking the jumpers, then starting from a MacOS 9 CD if you can. Holding 'C' when booting will force OpenFirmware to load from the CD and it should boot, even in a confused state. Use Startup Disk to select the drive that is currently internal and restart. It should clear up the problem. Another thing you should probably check is that the cable to the HD is properly seated on both ends. I did a very bad thing when I installed my 40GB Hitachi into my Lombard and forgot to check the end connected to the logic board. Suffice it to say, I had fun reformatting and reinstalling 5 days later. Regards, Adam Thayer On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 08:33 AM, Sakshin de Groot wrote: i attached a new fire wire Toshiba 30 GB hard disk to my Pismo 400 by placing it in a case firewire case from SITECOM. art.no CN-600. It didn't show up at the desk top. After taking the firewire plug in and out many times after eachother, it showed up. I formatted it and installed system 9. Fine. Then i switched the disk with the original internal disk and started up. Fine. Then i connected the old disk externally (by placing it in the sitecom case) to the machine and it stalled. it was stuck. Now i switched the disks back and forth and in and out but it won't start up at all anymore. Not even from the start up CD. it keeps looking for a system wich it doesn't seem to find anymore. On each hard disk is a system folder. Before it totally refused to work i ran over it with all possible repair and check applications and they repaired quite al lot, but now... What to do? Who has any sugestions! Thanx, sakshin -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
