Re: Pismo troubleshooting
On Aug 3, 2004, at 8:20 PM, Alejandro wrote: Well, The MOST important thing here is that you have a working PowerBook and not is someone is right or not. I'm glad I helped you. Very true. My downtime was at a minimum (had to wait until the 3rd for RAM so I could use OS X, but beyond that my downtime was acceptable). -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
On Aug 1, 2004, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Hubatka wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pismo troubleshooting --- Jeff Hubatka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pismo troubleshooting You have a Lombard wich needs a screen to work. Well, you can place the Pismo's one. This will be the faster solution. Follow these steps: http://homepage.mac.com/scadboy/lcd/ Anyway, it will be better to fix the Pismo, because it's the only which have DVD Playback on OS X and has a better Video Card.\ Pismo and Lombard do not have the same screens - the flat cable connectors on them are in about a quarter-inch different place and so do not match up correctly. The screens aren't the same, but the LCD can be replaced. Check the page and you will see that the Pismo and the Lombard can have the same LCD (inside the cover screen). Apple changed some things, because they DON'T want users replacing LCDs on NON Apple Services. Instead of having cheaper prices, they replaced the connectors. Funny, isn't it? All of these panels are compatible with PowerBook G3s with 14.1 Displays: - WallStreet (G3 233-292) - PDQ (Revised Wallstreet) - Lombard (Built-in USB) - Pismo (Built-In Firewire) You are correct in saying the screens are not the same, although I think you're talking about the housings. The actual LCD is a different part number. I have taken apart quite a few Lombards and Pismos and can say from actual experience rather than someone else's web page that the LCD probably won't work. The flat connector that is part of the LCD is in a different place, so your flex cable from the motherboard will not work correctly. While this is true, I have a bit of experience taking apart the display housings for this model of Powerbook. The LCD panel itself can be swapped, just not all the various parts around it, which makes it more difficult as the display housing is one of the more fragile and difficult pieces to dissect. I am currently running on the Pismo under 10.3.4 and enjoying it. The tip given by Alejandro allowed me to reset the motherboard and get it started. More RAM got me into OS X and boy is it night and day between the Lombard and Pismo. :) Regards, Adam Thayer -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
Well, The MOST important thing here is that you have a working PowerBook and not is someone is right or not. I'm glad I helped you. --- Adam Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 1, 2004, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Hubatka wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pismo troubleshooting --- Jeff Hubatka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pismo troubleshooting You have a Lombard wich needs a screen to work. Well, you can place the Pismo's one. This will be the faster solution. Follow these steps: http://homepage.mac.com/scadboy/lcd/ Anyway, it will be better to fix the Pismo, because it's the only which have DVD Playback on OS X and has a better Video Card.\ Pismo and Lombard do not have the same screens - the flat cable connectors on them are in about a quarter-inch different place and so do not match up correctly. The screens aren't the same, but the LCD can be replaced. Check the page and you will see that the Pismo and the Lombard can have the same LCD (inside the cover screen). Apple changed some things, because they DON'T want users replacing LCDs on NON Apple Services. Instead of having cheaper prices, they replaced the connectors. Funny, isn't it? All of these panels are compatible with PowerBook G3s with 14.1 Displays: - WallStreet (G3 233-292) - PDQ (Revised Wallstreet) - Lombard (Built-in USB) - Pismo (Built-In Firewire) You are correct in saying the screens are not the same, although I think you're talking about the housings. The actual LCD is a different part number. I have taken apart quite a few Lombards and Pismos and can say from actual experience rather than someone else's web page that the LCD probably won't work. The flat connector that is part of the LCD is in a different place, so your flex cable from the motherboard will not work correctly. While this is true, I have a bit of experience taking apart the display housings for this model of Powerbook. The LCD panel itself can be swapped, just not all the various parts around it, which makes it more difficult as the display housing is one of the more fragile and difficult pieces to dissect. I am currently running on the Pismo under 10.3.4 and enjoying it. The tip given by Alejandro allowed me to reset the motherboard and get it started. More RAM got me into OS X and boy is it night and day between the Lombard and Pismo. :) Regards, Adam Thayer -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pismo troubleshooting --- Jeff Hubatka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pismo troubleshooting You have a Lombard wich needs a screen to work. Well, you can place the Pismo's one. This will be the faster solution. Follow these steps: http://homepage.mac.com/scadboy/lcd/ Anyway, it will be better to fix the Pismo, because it's the only which have DVD Playback on OS X and has a better Video Card.\ Pismo and Lombard do not have the same screens - the flat cable connectors on them are in about a quarter-inch different place and so do not match up correctly. The screens aren't the same, but the LCD can be replaced. Check the page and you will see that the Pismo and the Lombard can have the same LCD (inside the cover screen). Apple changed some things, because they DON'T want users replacing LCDs on NON Apple Services. Instead of having cheaper prices, they replaced the connectors. Funny, isn't it? All of these panels are compatible with PowerBook G3s with 14.1 Displays: - WallStreet (G3 233-292) - PDQ (Revised Wallstreet) - Lombard (Built-in USB) - Pismo (Built-In Firewire) You are correct in saying the screens are not the same, although I think you're talking about the housings. The actual LCD is a different part number. I have taken apart quite a few Lombards and Pismos and can say from actual experience rather than someone else's web page that the LCD probably won't work. The flat connector that is part of the LCD is in a different place, so your flex cable from the motherboard will not work correctly. --- JSH TiBook -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
Adam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The good news is that I already tested with a battery and eliminated this as a possibility... unless the AC board has magical powers to prevent a boot from a battery, which doesn't seem entirely likely. What I am trying to do here is figure out if it is the Logic Board, Processor card, or battery board that could cause a completely cold, dead, lifeless Pismo. It is as if it is a door-stop. Exactly what results did the battery test give when you can say that the Pismo is as if it is a door-stop? IF the battery, loaded on another machine, booted the machine, it COULD NOT be the motherboard as that is needed no matter what you boot from. IF it boots from a loaded battery, but not when battery is disconnected, but connected to the wall power outlet, nor is charging the battery, it could be: 1. the sound card as that supplies the motherboard with power from the wall power outlet (rule out all other possibilites and then replace the card or see if visibly needs resoldering) OR 2. the AC adapter itself (try with a known good one) If I misunderstood you here it is because you did not supply with the full set of symptoms. Please do if the above doesn't make sense. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 08:52:30AM +0200, Mikael Bystr?m wrote: Adam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The good news is that I already tested with a battery and eliminated this as a possibility... unless the AC board has magical powers to prevent a boot from a battery, which doesn't seem entirely likely. What I am trying to do here is figure out if it is the Logic Board, Processor card, or battery board that could cause a completely cold, dead, lifeless Pismo. It is as if it is a door-stop. Exactly what results did the battery test give when you can say that the Pismo is as if it is a door-stop? IF the battery, loaded on another machine, booted the machine, it COULD NOT be the motherboard as that is needed no matter what you boot from. IF it boots from a loaded battery, but not when battery is disconnected, but connected to the wall power outlet, nor is charging the battery, it could be: 1. the sound card as that supplies the motherboard with power from the wall power outlet (rule out all other possibilites and then replace the card or see if visibly needs resoldering) OR 2. the AC adapter itself (try with a known good one) If I misunderstood you here it is because you did not supply with the full set of symptoms. Please do if the above doesn't make sense. Okay, here is the full situation... I had a working Lombard which fell and cracked the screen. The only thing wrong is the screen, but someone with a 'dead' Pismo was willing to give it up in order that my laptop might live. I decided it would be cheaper to repair the Pismo, and needed to start tracking down the culprit. My batteries/AC and the like are all known good as they are from the Lombard. I couldn't supply a full set of symptoms because the only symptoms I got was: no sound, no power, no battery charging, no HD whirr, nothing. Kinda hard to nail something down when you have nothing to work with, isn't it? Anyways, it was actually just a logic board 'lock-up' which needed a PRAM battery disconnect and full reset. Ironic, as the guy isn't even interested in the laptop anymore. The problem now is that the sound board does still need to be replaced (sound doesn't work, although the AC does), and that the firmware on this Pismo is as it was when it left the factory back in 2000. While it is great to nail down the problem, and I could replace the board with the Lombard's (in theory), I would rather get a nice Pismo-oriented Sound/AC board. That means I have a 40GB 10.3 HD that won't boot, 10.2/10.3 CDs which twitch out when booting, and 9.0 CDs which are too old to boot to do the firmware upgrade. I do have 10.0 and 10.1 CDs which boot great and have no problems (and sees the RAM I swapped over from the Lombard, which is good). So, now I have to hunt down a 9.1 install CD so I can boot this sucker, update the firmware, and then boot back into 10.3 and move forward in college. I also need this laptop functional within the next few days, as I have obligations which are being seriously hurt (college and job) because the Lombard was my work machine away from home, and the Pismo is now tweaking because it wants new firmware, and I lack a simple install CD. I guess my main option for now, just so I can do SOME work is to grab my old 4GB drive, install 10.1 on it until I can procure the 9.1 CD. That leads me to another question... anyone here have a 9.1 Install CD they are willing to part with for a reasonable fee? ;) Regards, Adam Thayer -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
I'm having a similar problem. Pismo froze, wouldn't restart. Eventually after many resets, got the HD to spin up but no boot cycle and no video (external output either). Bought an unused motherboard off ebay and installed it last night. Dead as a doornail. 7 hrs later, saw 4 green lights on the battery I used from this pismo, then it spun up like before--didn't boot. Below got me thinking processor so I put this one in to the dead machine--still nothing (I suspect a wait is nec for something to happen with power on and battery out, like my 1400 required periodically). So I put the other processor in this one, and got same symptoms. Sure looks like I need a new processor. I might as well get a faster replacement (both pismos are 400s). But which one? Is speed increase significant enough to go to OSX? I will likely have a virturally new Pismo motherboard for sale too. J In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Adam Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pismo troubleshooting Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:05:51 -0700 On Jul 30, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alejandro wrote: Check this. With powerbook attached to the AC Adapter (no battery), press the start button, and you should hear a little contact sound at the same time the Start button is pressed (before the Startup sound). If you don't maybe the machine is not powered at all. You are right in that the machine is not getting power to where it=20 needs to go. However, it doesn't seem like the Battery Board, and since power is not=20= getting anywhere (entire machine is cold after pressing the power=20 button), that would leave the logic board, correct? What I am trying to=20= do is figure out what components would cause the Pismo to remain cold=20 dead with both a fully charged battery, and an AC power source. First and easiest thing to check is the RAM. I've seen a few Pismos refuse to boot because they had a stick of bad ram. If that's not it, try a different processor (assuming you've also checked it's not that the processor isn't fully seated on the logic board). Well, if it is a bad stick of RAM, there should be something happening.=20= HD noise, a light, the normal speaker 'click', the beeps of the=20 self-diagnostic, something. Bad RAM doesn't stop power from flowing=20 like this. On Jul 30, 2004, at 6:48 AM, Mikael Bystr=F6m wrote: Are you sure the Soundcard gives power to the I/O board? This was the reason in a dead Pismo I dissected recently. The good news is that I already tested with a battery and eliminated=20 this as a possibility... unless the AC board has magical powers to=20 prevent a boot from a battery, which doesn't seem entirely likely. What I am trying to do here is figure out if it is the Logic Board,=20 Processor card, or battery board that could cause a completely cold,=20 dead, lifeless Pismo. It is as if it is a door-stop. Regards, Adam Thayer -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pismo troubleshooting You have a Lombard wich needs a screen to work. Well, you can place the Pismo's one. This will be the faster solution. Follow these steps: http://homepage.mac.com/scadboy/lcd/ Anyway, it will be better to fix the Pismo, because it's the only which have DVD Playback on OS X and has a better Video Card.\ Pismo and Lombard do not have the same screens - the flat cable connectors on them are in about a quarter-inch different place and so do not match up correctly. --- JSH TiBook -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
--- Jeff Hubatka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pismo troubleshooting You have a Lombard wich needs a screen to work. Well, you can place the Pismo's one. This will be the faster solution. Follow these steps: http://homepage.mac.com/scadboy/lcd/ Anyway, it will be better to fix the Pismo, because it's the only which have DVD Playback on OS X and has a better Video Card.\ Pismo and Lombard do not have the same screens - the flat cable connectors on them are in about a quarter-inch different place and so do not match up correctly. The screens aren't the same, but the LCD can be replaced. Check the page and you will see that the Pismo and the Lombard can have the same LCD (inside the cover screen). Apple changed some things, because they DON'T want users replacing LCDs on NON Apple Services. Instead of having cheaper prices, they replaced the connectors. Funny, isn't it? All of these panels are compatible with PowerBook G3s with 14.1 Displays: - WallStreet (G3 233-292) - PDQ (Revised Wallstreet) - Lombard (Built-in USB) - Pismo (Built-In Firewire) --- JSH TiBook -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo Troubleshooting?
Adam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Am I on the right track leaning towards the logic board, or have people had situations where there was no HD sound with a bad processor? Are you sure the Soundcard gives power to the I/O board? This was the reason in a dead Pismo I dissected recently. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
on 30/07/2004 18:36, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now here is the problem. It refuses to boot on AC or battery (known good from a Lombard I have), no lights, sounds, or anything else. Since the HD doesn't even start to spin, that makes me lean towards the logic board (since that controls power to the HD). Am I on the right track leaning towards the logic board, or have people had situations where there was no HD sound with a bad processor? I have seen reports of dead Pismos showing similar symptoms but with HD sound, which tends to lean towards the processor being the issue. Anyone have an entirely different diagnosis, comments or suggestions for attempting to resurrect it? First and easiest thing to check is the RAM. I've seen a few Pismos refuse to boot because they had a stick of bad ram. If that's not it, try a different processor (assuming you've also checked it's not that the processor isn't fully seated on the logic board). Chris -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
Check this. With powerbook attached to the AC Adapter (no battery), press the start button, and you should hear a little contact sound at the same time the Start button is pressed (before the Startup sound). If you don't maybe the machine is not powered at all. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 30/07/2004 18:36, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now here is the problem. It refuses to boot on AC or battery (known good from a Lombard I have), no lights, sounds, or anything else. Since the HD doesn't even start to spin, that makes me lean towards the logic board (since that controls power to the HD). Am I on the right track leaning towards the logic board, or have people had situations where there was no HD sound with a bad processor? I have seen reports of dead Pismos showing similar symptoms but with HD sound, which tends to lean towards the processor being the issue. Anyone have an entirely different diagnosis, comments or suggestions for attempting to resurrect it? First and easiest thing to check is the RAM. I've seen a few Pismos refuse to boot because they had a stick of bad ram. If that's not it, try a different processor (assuming you've also checked it's not that the processor isn't fully seated on the logic board). Chris -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
On Jul 30, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alejandro wrote: Check this. With powerbook attached to the AC Adapter (no battery), press the start button, and you should hear a little contact sound at the same time the Start button is pressed (before the Startup sound). If you don't maybe the machine is not powered at all. You are right in that the machine is not getting power to where it needs to go. However, it doesn't seem like the Battery Board, and since power is not getting anywhere (entire machine is cold after pressing the power button), that would leave the logic board, correct? What I am trying to do is figure out what components would cause the Pismo to remain cold dead with both a fully charged battery, and an AC power source. First and easiest thing to check is the RAM. I've seen a few Pismos refuse to boot because they had a stick of bad ram. If that's not it, try a different processor (assuming you've also checked it's not that the processor isn't fully seated on the logic board). Well, if it is a bad stick of RAM, there should be something happening. HD noise, a light, the normal speaker 'click', the beeps of the self-diagnostic, something. Bad RAM doesn't stop power from flowing like this. On Jul 30, 2004, at 6:48 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: Are you sure the Soundcard gives power to the I/O board? This was the reason in a dead Pismo I dissected recently. The good news is that I already tested with a battery and eliminated this as a possibility... unless the AC board has magical powers to prevent a boot from a battery, which doesn't seem entirely likely. What I am trying to do here is figure out if it is the Logic Board, Processor card, or battery board that could cause a completely cold, dead, lifeless Pismo. It is as if it is a door-stop. Regards, Adam Thayer -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo troubleshooting
Does it charge the battery? Other thing to check: An Apple Service told me to remove the batteries (from Expansion Bay and the PRAM Battery. Now, without the AC Adaptor (without any kind of energy), press Command - Control - Start button for a minute. If you find a little reset button on the main board, push it instead of the keys. Also push the little reset button behind the PowerBook (near the connectors at back) Leave the PowerBook one hour like that (without energy at all). Then, put the PRAM Battery again and plug the AC Adapter. Check if Starts. You don't have nothing to loose. Here's a link to find the PRAM Battery if you don't know where is located: http://www.pbfixit.com/Guide/man.php?p=Pismo*00 I have my fingers crossed. PS: Sometimes the Motherboard hangs and doing this, the board can be fixed. If this is the case. --- Adam Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 30, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alejandro wrote: Check this. With powerbook attached to the AC Adapter (no battery), press the start button, and you should hear a little contact sound at the same time the Start button is pressed (before the Startup sound). If you don't maybe the machine is not powered at all. You are right in that the machine is not getting power to where it needs to go. However, it doesn't seem like the Battery Board, and since power is not getting anywhere (entire machine is cold after pressing the power button), that would leave the logic board, correct? What I am trying to do is figure out what components would cause the Pismo to remain cold dead with both a fully charged battery, and an AC power source. First and easiest thing to check is the RAM. I've seen a few Pismos refuse to boot because they had a stick of bad ram. If that's not it, try a different processor (assuming you've also checked it's not that the processor isn't fully seated on the logic board). Well, if it is a bad stick of RAM, there should be something happening. HD noise, a light, the normal speaker 'click', the beeps of the self-diagnostic, something. Bad RAM doesn't stop power from flowing like this. On Jul 30, 2004, at 6:48 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: Are you sure the Soundcard gives power to the I/O board? This was the reason in a dead Pismo I dissected recently. The good news is that I already tested with a battery and eliminated this as a possibility... unless the AC board has magical powers to prevent a boot from a battery, which doesn't seem entirely likely. What I am trying to do here is figure out if it is the Logic Board, Processor card, or battery board that could cause a completely cold, dead, lifeless Pismo. It is as if it is a door-stop. Regards, Adam Thayer -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Pismo Troubleshooting?
I helped attempt to troubleshoot a Pismo awhile back, and while we couldn't find the cause immediately, I have been offered the system. This means that I would have a shot to resurrect it. I personally have eliminated most possibilities (other than complete system failure) except two: Processor went bad Logic Board went bad Now here is the problem. It refuses to boot on AC or battery (known good from a Lombard I have), no lights, sounds, or anything else. Since the HD doesn't even start to spin, that makes me lean towards the logic board (since that controls power to the HD). Am I on the right track leaning towards the logic board, or have people had situations where there was no HD sound with a bad processor? I have seen reports of dead Pismos showing similar symptoms but with HD sound, which tends to lean towards the processor being the issue. Anyone have an entirely different diagnosis, comments or suggestions for attempting to resurrect it? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
