Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
The National Enquirer reports at 3:01 PM +1000 10/27/04, Ben Dyer wrote: Mike, OS X 10.3.5 should run OK on that machine. A 4GB hard drive is enough, but you'll need to deselect a few options during the install (I'd suggest not bothering with the BSD subsystem, additional printer drivers, or additional languages). Once it's stripped down to the bare bones, a Panther install takes up a little less than 1GB. Allowing 400MB for the 9.2 installation and 600MB for swap, that leaves you with about 2GB free (IIRC the Wallstreet 4GB drive is actually 4GB *formatted*). Although you *can* use the 4GB, I would recommend against it. It's not merely the OS installation that you need to be concerned about, You need a considerable amount of room for all of the applications that you will want to use, room for OS X swap files, cache files etc. Then after all that, OS X can begin to react somewhat funky if you have less than 15-20% free space on the H.D all the time. If you want to use OS 9, OS 9 apps and data files, then you are going to need even more hard disk space. Personally (and this is just my own opinion on things), I wouldn't recommend using anything less than 10GB (20GB would even be better). Even if you are satisfied with a small drive today, you may very likely run out of room in the near future. And who wants to go through reinstalling *another* drive and having to move everything over to it unnecessarily? A 20GB drive (which is considered small these days) should be fairly inexpensive (what, $60-$80?). You don't need to set up separate partitions for OS 9 and OS X, I'd recommend leaving it all on the one. You don't need to, but here again, I would suggest doing so. There arguments both ways on this subject. But I haven't heard one that negates the advantage of being able to boot your Wallstreet from a separate partition if you need to. In addition, keeping OS 9 and OS X separate will prevent you from losing everything if you have major corruption on one of the partitions. I would seriously consider using several partitions if you go with a 20GB drive. Keeping your data on a separate partition helps to protect it as well. As I say, I'm sure there are going to be other list-members who are going to give reasons why they don't recommend partitioning with OS X (not making the partitions big enough to start with etc.). And I'm not saying that my way is the only way -- or even the best way for everyone. But from someone who has partitioned every drive I've had for the past 12-15 years, I do know the advantages. I could go on and on about the advantages. But I don't have the time at the moment, and it basically boils down to what you really want. HTH, Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
Thanks Ben and Bob, So if I were going to start from scratch and set up multiple partitions, would the install of OS X still be pretty straightforward? I mean, using XPostFacto to run the install, will it give me the option of choosing a partition, or does it only install OS X to the partition where XPostFacto resides? Sorry for the ignorant questions, but I want to make sure I know what the heck I'm doing before I jump in. Also, where can I score a 20GB drive for $60 - $80? All the used ones I can find are over $120. Thanks again, Mike -Original Message- From: Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:51 AM To: G-Books Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233 The National Enquirer reports at 3:01 PM +1000 10/27/04, Ben Dyer wrote: Mike, OS X 10.3.5 should run OK on that machine. A 4GB hard drive is enough, but you'll need to deselect a few options during the install (I'd suggest not bothering with the BSD subsystem, additional printer drivers, or additional languages). Once it's stripped down to the bare bones, a Panther install takes up a little less than 1GB. Allowing 400MB for the 9.2 installation and 600MB for swap, that leaves you with about 2GB free (IIRC the Wallstreet 4GB drive is actually 4GB *formatted*). Although you *can* use the 4GB, I would recommend against it. It's not merely the OS installation that you need to be concerned about, You need a considerable amount of room for all of the applications that you will want to use, room for OS X swap files, cache files etc. Then after all that, OS X can begin to react somewhat funky if you have less than 15-20% free space on the H.D all the time. If you want to use OS 9, OS 9 apps and data files, then you are going to need even more hard disk space. Personally (and this is just my own opinion on things), I wouldn't recommend using anything less than 10GB (20GB would even be better). Even if you are satisfied with a small drive today, you may very likely run out of room in the near future. And who wants to go through reinstalling *another* drive and having to move everything over to it unnecessarily? A 20GB drive (which is considered small these days) should be fairly inexpensive (what, $60-$80?). You don't need to set up separate partitions for OS 9 and OS X, I'd recommend leaving it all on the one. You don't need to, but here again, I would suggest doing so. There arguments both ways on this subject. But I haven't heard one that negates the advantage of being able to boot your Wallstreet from a separate partition if you need to. In addition, keeping OS 9 and OS X separate will prevent you from losing everything if you have major corruption on one of the partitions. I would seriously consider using several partitions if you go with a 20GB drive. Keeping your data on a separate partition helps to protect it as well. As I say, I'm sure there are going to be other list-members who are going to give reasons why they don't recommend partitioning with OS X (not making the partitions big enough to start with etc.). And I'm not saying that my way is the only way -- or even the best way for everyone. But from someone who has partitioned every drive I've had for the past 12-15 years, I do know the advantages. I could go on and on about the advantages. But I don't have the time at the moment, and it basically boils down to what you really want. HTH, Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
For use as a primary machine, 4GB is certainly insufficient. But, for use as a secondary machine for word processing, web browsing, etc., 4GB is more than adequate. As I noted, after you install minimal operating systems and only the necessary applications, *and* leave room for swap, there will still be around 2GB available. I have OS 9, OS X 10.3.5, Photoshop, CodeWarrior, and many other applications (plus the subset of my documents that I'm using at any given time) on my 4GB Wallstreet, and there's still about 600-800MB free at any given moment. The way I see it is this: a Wallstreet will never be an adequate primary OS X machine. If you want to get large volumes of serious work done, you'd be best off using OS 9. I tend to use mine for temporary photo storage, word processing, and as an extra display for web browsing while I'm working on my iBook; particularly when I'm traveling, I prefer to have a Wallstreet on me, as an A$300 computer is a lot less of a worry than a A$2500 computer. Because of this limited usage potential, I am reluctant to upgrade the hard drive -- if I need files at home, I can just connect over the network to one of my more capacious machines, and if want to take them with me, chances are there will be few enough of them that they will fit. But really, it comes down to usage. If you've already got a desktop or main laptop, and you're just wanting to get the Wallstreet set up so you can do some productive work while on holiday, traveling, and so forth, 4GB will likely be enough. If, on the other hand, you fit the Your Life. To Go. usage pattern, you'd be best off with the biggest drive you can afford. Of course, it would make even more sense to get a new computer. Wonderful though the Wallstreets are, they're never going to be good performers under OS X. Cheers, Ben (As for partitioning: I used to partition my drives, but I find it's just too restrictive, and that there are very few advantages. No amount of partitioning has ever saved me from drive corruption, either. But, YMMV, EOE, all the rest -- do what you think is best.) On 27 Oct 2004, at 19:51, Bob wrote: Although you *can* use the 4GB, I would recommend against it. It's not merely the OS installation that you need to be concerned about, You need a considerable amount of room for all of the applications that you will want to use, room for OS X swap files, cache files etc. Then after all that, OS X can begin to react somewhat funky if you have less than 15-20% free space on the H.D all the time. If you want to use OS 9, OS 9 apps and data files, then you are going to need even more hard disk space. Personally (and this is just my own opinion on things), I wouldn't recommend using anything less than 10GB (20GB would even be better). Even if you are satisfied with a small drive today, you may very likely run out of room in the near future. And who wants to go through reinstalling *another* drive and having to move everything over to it unnecessarily? A 20GB drive (which is considered small these days) should be fairly inexpensive (what, $60-$80?). -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
As far as I can tell, there are no 20GB 2.5 IDE drives around for that little. Unfortunately, they're still very expensive compared to their desktop counterparts. The thing you need to remember when upgrading the Wallstreet's drive is that it can't use ATA-6 devices (that's Ultra-ATA/100; I've never seen ATA/133 on a laptop drive, but it's safe to say it wouldn't work either) -- ATA-5 (Ultra-ATA/66) is the maximum. This eliminates most new IBM/Hitachi and Seagate drives; the best brand to go for is probably Toshiba. Also, I'd recommend staying away from used hard drives. They're the most critical component of the system in that if they fail, not only can you not use the computer, you've also just lost your data; it does not pay to cut corners as far as drives are concerned. Installing OS X using XPostFacto with multiple partitions shouldn't be a problem at all. You can choose which volume to start off, which to install on, and so forth. There's a potential issue that can occur during installation: the PRAM settings may not be retained correctly after the restart, so the machine may begin to start in OS 9, then restart automatically, and start in X. Sometimes you also get a kernel panic or other errors; all you can do is restart under 9, and go through the whole process again. Leave the XPostFacto options alone; most of them don't do anything good for the Wallstreet. Once OS X is installed and configured properly, you should find it is fairly stable, and also surprisingly useable (especially in Thousands of Colours mode). Cheers, Ben On 27 Oct 2004, at 23:36, Michael Clarke wrote: Thanks Ben and Bob, So if I were going to start from scratch and set up multiple partitions, would the install of OS X still be pretty straightforward? I mean, using XPostFacto to run the install, will it give me the option of choosing a partition, or does it only install OS X to the partition where XPostFacto resides? Sorry for the ignorant questions, but I want to make sure I know what the heck I'm doing before I jump in. Also, where can I score a 20GB drive for $60 - $80? All the used ones I can find are over $120. Thanks again, Mike -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
On 27 Oct 2004, at 23:36, Michael Clarke wrote: Thanks Ben and Bob, So if I were going to start from scratch and set up multiple partitions, would the install of OS X still be pretty straightforward? I mean, using XPostFacto to run the install, will it give me the option of choosing a partition, or does it only install OS X to the partition where XPostFacto resides? Sorry for the ignorant questions, but I want to make sure I know what the heck I'm doing before I jump in. Also, where can I score a 20GB drive for $60 - $80? All the used ones I can find are over $120. Thanks again, Mike I just bought new 60gb drives for less that $120. If you are paying more that $80 for a 20gb 2.5in IDE drive you are being ripped off. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=listcatalog=380DEPA=0 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
There are 2 drives on that site that will definitely work with the Wallstreet -- a 20GB 4200RPM Toshiba for $72, and a 40GB 4200RPM Hitachi for $129. The Toshiba drive doesn't seem to be rated too highly, though. Cheers, Ben On 28 Oct 2004, at 00:30, John C. Swanson wrote: I just bought new 60gb drives for less that $120. If you are paying more that $80 for a 20gb 2.5in IDE drive you are being ripped off. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp? submit=listcatalog=380DEPA=0 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233 Hi, I have an installation question. I have a Wallstreet 266 w/512MB of RAM and a 4GB hard drive. Will I need to get a higher capacity hard drive to run OS X 10.3.5? Also, are there any other special steps involved in the OS X install... such as setting up the disk with separate partitions for OS 9 OS X, or do you just install OS 9 first, then OS X? Thanks for your help! Mike From: Ben Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:19:28 +1000 To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanton, I'm running OS X 10.3.5 on two Wallstreet IIs, one originally 266MHz overclocked to 300MHz with 512MB RAM, and the other at 266MHz with 128MB RAM. Both run it surprisingly well, given the age of the hardware. The only issue I have is that removing a CD drive from the expansion bay while the machine is awake, and after having inserted and ejected a CD, occasionally causes a kernel panic. The problem can be avoided by putting the system to sleep, removing the drive, and waking it back up. Note also that the floppy drive is unsupported under OS X. A rough guide to getting OS X 10.3 running is as follows: 1. Download and install XPostFacto (http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/Archive/ XPostFacto3.0b8.sit) 2. Insert your 10.3 install CD 3. Launch the XPostFacto application, and click Install (just use the default options for now) 4. Complete the Panther install process, and restart 5. Download and install the updates from Software Update 6. Restart in OS 9, launch the XPostFacto application, go to the Install menu, and select Everything 7. Put the machine to sleep, and wake it up again 8. Restart in OS X If at any stage the machine loses power completely (i.e. PRAM battery flat, and both battery and power adapter not present), you'll need to start up in OS 9, put the machine to sleep, wake it up, and restart in X in order to reset the PMU correctly. Failure to do this will result in backlight problems under OS X. It's also possible to get limited 2D graphics acceleration by modifying the Rage Pro drivers from OS X 10.2.6 (later versions cause frequent kernel panics, and earlier versions don't seem to make a difference). If you need the extra 8-10% GUI performance it provides, contact me off-list. That said, I suspect that for serious Photoshop use, the Wallstreet (particularly a 233MHz model) will prove to be woefully inadequate. You might scrape by if all you're doing is creating low-resolution web graphics, but any file larger than a few megabytes will bring it to its knees. Cheers, Ben On 17 Oct 2004, at 09:59, Stanton Mitrany wrote: Hi, Gang! I'm posting this inquiry for a friend of mine, who is considering switching to Macintosh: If I get a Wallstreet II 233 from a friend, what is be the highest version of OS10 I can run on it? I want to be able to use it with the new Adobe Creative Suite (Photoshop, GoLive etc) which, I think, requires OS10. Thanks, friends! My friend will be grateful for your response. All the best, stanton I have a wallstreet 300 mhz powerbook with 384 meg ram i have had OSX 2.8 on it and it worked fine. I recently tried to install Panther on it, it would not let me install it as it did not have USB on the powerbook. I pulled a dead Bronze keyboard 400 mhz G3 powerbook out of storage out of storage, ordered a 2nd hand processor from United States. I did have trouble installing it as the dvd drive is not genuine mac I have taken it out of an IBM thinkpad. There was no way to start the powerbook up as with panther as the startup disc. Frustration got the better of me I ended up taking the drive out of my Powerbook and fitting it into a firwire case and running it on a G4 Dual Processor installing the system onto the firewire drive then fiting it back into the Powerbook. It all works fine except it does not read DVD movies in OS X were it did in os 9.2. Cheers Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
The National Enquirer reports at 8:36 AM -0500 10/27/04, Michael Clarke wrote: Thanks Ben and Bob, So if I were going to start from scratch and set up multiple partitions, would the install of OS X still be pretty straightforward? I mean, using XPostFacto to run the install, will it give me the option of choosing a partition, or does it only install OS X to the partition where XPostFacto resides? Others have answered the questions above, so I won't address them. Sorry for the ignorant questions, but I want to make sure I know what the heck I'm doing before I jump in. Don't feel that way. It is *much* better to know what lies ahead rather than jump in blindly and end up doing some something foolish (and potentially expensive), when all you have to do is ask. Also, where can I score a 20GB drive for $60 - $80? All the used ones I can find are over $120. As other posts have shown, it's just a matter of taking the time, making the effort and searching for the best prices. My price approximation was based partially on my purchase almost 18 months ago of a IBM/Hatachi Travelstar 40 GB GNX 5400RPM drive for my Wallstreet for $128. Prices have come down since then and you're needing a smaller drive. In addition to what's been posted, here's another drive in that price range at ZipZoomFly.com (which as I recall used to be GoogleGear): #101607 Toshiba MK2023GAS HDD2187 20GB ATA-5 2.5in 4200RPM Mobile Hard Drive $69.95 w/Free 2nd Day http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductList.jsp?ThirdCategoryCode=011006 One additional point that hasn't been mentioned, if it were me, I would pick up either an inexpensive external FireWire case (if you already have a FW PC card) and put your old 4 GB drive in it for partial backup or whatever -- and , yes an IDE drive will work in a FW case -- or get a PCMCIA case kit and do the same thing (although it wouldn't be FW with that setup) and use it from one of your PC slots. Good luck in your quest, Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233 (P.S.)
The National Enquirer reports at 8:36 AM -0500 10/27/04, Michael Clarke wrote: Thanks Ben and Bob, So if I were going to start from scratch and set up multiple partitions, would the install of OS X still be pretty straightforward? I mean, using XPostFacto to run the install, will it give me the option of choosing a partition, or does it only install OS X to the partition where XPostFacto resides? Just re-read your last post. And just so that there is no misunderstanding on your part, you *won't* need to use XPostFacto if you only install OS X Jaguar (up to 10.2.8). If you go on up to 10.3.x (Panther), then you'll need to use XPostFacto. You may have already known that, but just in case... Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
Hi, I have an installation question. I have a Wallstreet 266 w/512MB of RAM and a 4GB hard drive. Will I need to get a higher capacity hard drive to run OS X 10.3.5? Also, are there any other special steps involved in the OS X install... such as setting up the disk with separate partitions for OS 9 OS X, or do you just install OS 9 first, then OS X? Thanks for your help! Mike From: Ben Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:19:28 +1000 To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanton, I'm running OS X 10.3.5 on two Wallstreet IIs, one originally 266MHz overclocked to 300MHz with 512MB RAM, and the other at 266MHz with 128MB RAM. Both run it surprisingly well, given the age of the hardware. The only issue I have is that removing a CD drive from the expansion bay while the machine is awake, and after having inserted and ejected a CD, occasionally causes a kernel panic. The problem can be avoided by putting the system to sleep, removing the drive, and waking it back up. Note also that the floppy drive is unsupported under OS X. A rough guide to getting OS X 10.3 running is as follows: 1. Download and install XPostFacto (http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/Archive/ XPostFacto3.0b8.sit) 2. Insert your 10.3 install CD 3. Launch the XPostFacto application, and click Install (just use the default options for now) 4. Complete the Panther install process, and restart 5. Download and install the updates from Software Update 6. Restart in OS 9, launch the XPostFacto application, go to the Install menu, and select Everything 7. Put the machine to sleep, and wake it up again 8. Restart in OS X If at any stage the machine loses power completely (i.e. PRAM battery flat, and both battery and power adapter not present), you'll need to start up in OS 9, put the machine to sleep, wake it up, and restart in X in order to reset the PMU correctly. Failure to do this will result in backlight problems under OS X. It's also possible to get limited 2D graphics acceleration by modifying the Rage Pro drivers from OS X 10.2.6 (later versions cause frequent kernel panics, and earlier versions don't seem to make a difference). If you need the extra 8-10% GUI performance it provides, contact me off-list. That said, I suspect that for serious Photoshop use, the Wallstreet (particularly a 233MHz model) will prove to be woefully inadequate. You might scrape by if all you're doing is creating low-resolution web graphics, but any file larger than a few megabytes will bring it to its knees. Cheers, Ben On 17 Oct 2004, at 09:59, Stanton Mitrany wrote: Hi, Gang! I'm posting this inquiry for a friend of mine, who is considering switching to Macintosh: If I get a Wallstreet II 233 from a friend, what is be the highest version of OS10 I can run on it? I want to be able to use it with the new Adobe Creative Suite (Photoshop, GoLive etc) which, I think, requires OS10. Thanks, friends! My friend will be grateful for your response. All the best, stanton -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
Mike, OS X 10.3.5 should run OK on that machine. A 4GB hard drive is enough, but you'll need to deselect a few options during the install (I'd suggest not bothering with the BSD subsystem, additional printer drivers, or additional languages). Once it's stripped down to the bare bones, a Panther install takes up a little less than 1GB. Allowing 400MB for the 9.2 installation and 600MB for swap, that leaves you with about 2GB free (IIRC the Wallstreet 4GB drive is actually 4GB *formatted*). You don't need to set up separate partitions for OS 9 and OS X, I'd recommend leaving it all on the one. There are no special steps involved other than what I've outlined below, but if you decide to upgrade to a drive larger than 8GB, you'll need to partition that and use the first (8GB or smaller) partition to install X on. You might also like to reformat the drive under Mac OS 9, so that you're starting with a clean volume. There is a chance that XPostFacto won't work first up (the Wallstreet sometimes loses the necessary PRAM settings during the restart from 9 to the X installer), so don't be fazed by initial problems. Cheers, Ben On 27 Oct 2004, at 13:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have an installation question. I have a Wallstreet 266 w/512MB of RAM and a 4GB hard drive. Will I need to get a higher capacity hard drive to run OS X 10.3.5? Also, are there any other special steps involved in the OS X install... such as setting up the disk with separate partitions for OS 9 OS X, or do you just install OS 9 first, then OS X? Thanks for your help! Mike From: Ben Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:19:28 +1000 To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanton, I'm running OS X 10.3.5 on two Wallstreet IIs, one originally 266MHz overclocked to 300MHz with 512MB RAM, and the other at 266MHz with 128MB RAM. Both run it surprisingly well, given the age of the hardware. The only issue I have is that removing a CD drive from the expansion bay while the machine is awake, and after having inserted and ejected a CD, occasionally causes a kernel panic. The problem can be avoided by putting the system to sleep, removing the drive, and waking it back up. Note also that the floppy drive is unsupported under OS X. A rough guide to getting OS X 10.3 running is as follows: 1. Download and install XPostFacto (http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/Archive/ XPostFacto3.0b8.sit) 2. Insert your 10.3 install CD 3. Launch the XPostFacto application, and click Install (just use the default options for now) 4. Complete the Panther install process, and restart 5. Download and install the updates from Software Update 6. Restart in OS 9, launch the XPostFacto application, go to the Install menu, and select Everything 7. Put the machine to sleep, and wake it up again 8. Restart in OS X If at any stage the machine loses power completely (i.e. PRAM battery flat, and both battery and power adapter not present), you'll need to start up in OS 9, put the machine to sleep, wake it up, and restart in X in order to reset the PMU correctly. Failure to do this will result in backlight problems under OS X. It's also possible to get limited 2D graphics acceleration by modifying the Rage Pro drivers from OS X 10.2.6 (later versions cause frequent kernel panics, and earlier versions don't seem to make a difference). If you need the extra 8-10% GUI performance it provides, contact me off-list. That said, I suspect that for serious Photoshop use, the Wallstreet (particularly a 233MHz model) will prove to be woefully inadequate. You might scrape by if all you're doing is creating low-resolution web graphics, but any file larger than a few megabytes will bring it to its knees. Cheers, Ben On 17 Oct 2004, at 09:59, Stanton Mitrany wrote: Hi, Gang! I'm posting this inquiry for a friend of mine, who is considering switching to Macintosh: If I get a Wallstreet II 233 from a friend, what is be the highest version of OS10 I can run on it? I want to be able to use it with the new Adobe Creative Suite (Photoshop, GoLive etc) which, I think, requires OS10. Thanks, friends! My friend will be grateful for your response. All the best, stanton -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 06:44:23PM -0600 or thereabouts, Bob wrote: That being said, a 233MHz Wallstreet to run PhotoShop, GoLive, etc., will be very slow, specially if the Wallstreet has less than 512MB of RAM. But if you are running more than 384MB of RAM in a Wallstreet, you very likely will run into all kinds of problems with OS X, especially 10.3.x. Bob, is this a proven issue? I've run my WS with 512MB with no problems. If you experienced problems, perhaps they are local to you and your configuration. Prolly not a good idea to tell someone, as you've done, that they will experience problems with a certan configuration unless it's a proven problem that many other people experience. I can vouch for running my WS 250MHz with 512MB ram and no problems on both 10.3.4 and 10.3.5. -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
The National Enquirer reports at 12:37 AM -0700 10/17/04, Nils wrote: On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 06:44:23PM -0600 or thereabouts, Bob wrote: That being said, a 233MHz Wallstreet to run PhotoShop, GoLive, etc., will be very slow, specially if the Wallstreet has less than 512MB of RAM. But if you are running more than 384MB of RAM in a Wallstreet, you very likely will run into all kinds of problems with OS X, especially 10.3.x. Bob, is this a proven issue? For a number of users, yes. I reiterate, I didn't say (and as a rule I don't make blanket statements) that it is the case for all. But when you see multiple reports, on different forums, I think it's worthwhile to take notice. After all, that's the primary value of these kinds of virtual forums. We share the good, bad and indifferent, and we all benefit from our collective experiences. I didn't keep a running tally of those who said they had problems trying to use 512MB with 10.3.x. But there were numerous reports, and almost without exception, when they went back to 384MB, the problems went away. I've run my WS with 512MB with no problems. Honestly, I'm glad that's the case for you. But it doesn't negate the experience of others. If you experienced problems, Sigh. I explicitly stated that I was not listing my experience. perhaps they are local to you and your configuration. There very well may be a pattern to the difficulties. But I have not seen anyone try to collate one. Prolly not a good idea to tell someone, as you've done, that they will experience problems with a certan configuration unless it's a proven problem that many other people experience. You obviously didn't read, or misread, what I posted previously. You're not even quoting me correctly. I can vouch for running my WS 250MHz with 512MB ram and no problems on both 10.3.4 and 10.3.5. One experience would qualify much easier for an exception rather than the rule. If you disagree with me, that's fine. I have no problem with that. I was simply trying to warn the OP of potential problems that they may or may not experience. Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
The National Enquirer reports at 8:13 PM -0400 10/16/04, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 16/10/04 19:59, Stanton Mitrany at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Gang! I'm posting this inquiry for a friend of mine, who is considering switching to Macintosh: If I get a Wallstreet II 233 from a friend, what is be the highest version of OS10 I can run on it? I want to be able to use it with the new Adobe Creative Suite (Photoshop, GoLive etc) which, I think, requires OS10. Thanks, friends! My friend will be grateful for your response. The latest version of OS X that is officially supported by Apple on a Wallstreet is 10.2 (Jaguar). However, using a tool like XPostFacto, many users have successfully installed and are running 10.3 (Panther). That being said, a 233MHz Wallstreet to run PhotoShop, GoLive, etc., will be very slow, specially if the Wallstreet has less than 512MB of RAM. But if you are running more than 384MB of RAM in a Wallstreet, you very likely will run into all kinds of problems with OS X, especially 10.3.x. Your friend might end up thinking that OS X is too slow... While possibly true, 10.3.x is reputed to be faster than 10.2.x. Bob Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
on 16/10/04 20:44, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The National Enquirer reports at 8:13 PM -0400 10/16/04, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 16/10/04 19:59, Stanton Mitrany at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Gang! I'm posting this inquiry for a friend of mine, who is considering switching to Macintosh: If I get a Wallstreet II 233 from a friend, what is be the highest version of OS10 I can run on it? I want to be able to use it with the new Adobe Creative Suite (Photoshop, GoLive etc) which, I think, requires OS10. Thanks, friends! My friend will be grateful for your response. The latest version of OS X that is officially supported by Apple on a Wallstreet is 10.2 (Jaguar). However, using a tool like XPostFacto, many users have successfully installed and are running 10.3 (Panther). That being said, a 233MHz Wallstreet to run PhotoShop, GoLive, etc., will be very slow, specially if the Wallstreet has less than 512MB of RAM. But if you are running more than 384MB of RAM in a Wallstreet, you very likely will run into all kinds of problems with OS X, especially 10.3.x. Bob, Is this a typo? Usually, the more memory you have for OS X, the less problems you have. Please, explain what problems he might have? -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fix n.,v.: What one does when a problem has been reported too many times to be ignored. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
The National Enquirer reports at 8:49 PM -0400 10/16/04, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 16/10/04 20:44, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The National Enquirer reports at 8:13 PM -0400 10/16/04, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 16/10/04 19:59, Stanton Mitrany at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That being said, a 233MHz Wallstreet to run PhotoShop, GoLive, etc., will be very slow, specially if the Wallstreet has less than 512MB of RAM. But if you are running more than 384MB of RAM in a Wallstreet, you very likely will run into all kinds of problems with OS X, especially 10.3.x. Bob, Is this a typo? Nope, no typo. Usually, the more memory you have for OS X, the less problems you have. Unfortunately, not on the Wallstreet. Please, explain what problems he might have? Not my problems. But widely reported (notice, I didn't say every Wallstreet user would have problems, but a number have). Reports of crashes is what I recall seeing. Check out the XPostFacto forums for user's comments. Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Compatibility of OS10 with the Wallstreet II 233
on 16/10/04 20:58, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The National Enquirer reports at 8:49 PM -0400 10/16/04, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 16/10/04 20:44, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The National Enquirer reports at 8:13 PM -0400 10/16/04, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 16/10/04 19:59, Stanton Mitrany at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That being said, a 233MHz Wallstreet to run PhotoShop, GoLive, etc., will be very slow, specially if the Wallstreet has less than 512MB of RAM. But if you are running more than 384MB of RAM in a Wallstreet, you very likely will run into all kinds of problems with OS X, especially 10.3.x. Bob, Is this a typo? Nope, no typo. Usually, the more memory you have for OS X, the less problems you have. Unfortunately, not on the Wallstreet. Please, explain what problems he might have? Not my problems. But widely reported (notice, I didn't say every Wallstreet user would have problems, but a number have). Reports of crashes is what I recall seeing. Check out the XPostFacto forums for user's comments. I wasn't aware of problems. Then, I guess the OP should check those forums before making recommendations to his friend... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fortrash /for'trash/ n.: Hackerism for the FORTRAN (FORmula TRANslator) language, referring to its primitive design, gross and irregular syntax, limited control constructs, and slippery, exception-filled semantics. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
