Re: PDF file

2003-10-09 Thread Brandy 
I was just pointing it out FYI.. thing since some people are not 
aware of it.  I use Acrobat 6 Pro. for PC and OS X
I password protect and lock all PDF's I create.  And like you said I 
don't want any one fiddling with em'.
Brandy

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Hello Brandy,
I have Acrobat Reader 4, on my desktop, which was a free version, as 
are all Acrobat Reader downloads, no?, and I can copy and paste from a 
pdf to a word processing document.
If a pdf is locked and password protected - there's a reason for that 
- they don't want the contents fiddled with. I might be wrong, but I 
don't remember the original poster saying the pdf, they were referring 
to, was password protected and locked.
Dawn


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Re: PDF file

2003-10-09 Thread tivo 
>> Subject: PDF file
>> 
>> 
>>> May be a bit off site topic, but how do I go about changing a PDF file to
>>> another format once it's downloaded?

Thanks to everyone for the input. The PDF file did open with Acrobat --
after refusing to do so earlier; thus the reason for my writing and asking.
I have no idea why it wouldn't open earlier.

The file when chosen as an icon is revealed as a  file; the
document thus cannot be fiddled with in any way. When the name of the file
is highlighted (on my desktop this color is yellow) the file remains in
 and I can then choose to open it from the  menu using
Acrobat. 

But not a great deal is gained page printing-wise (as someone commented), at
least not with the 15 page document I was trying to compress. The PDF file
is the same number of pages, but the text font is a number of times smaller.

Thanks again to everyone, Tivo


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Re: MAC SW Re: PDF file (conversions, etc)

2003-10-09 Thread Laurent Daudelin 
on 09/10/03 18:00, James G (Jim) Hardwick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Also, you are going to need Acrobat, not Acrobat reader, I think, to
> do any editing.  But if all you want is to capture the text for
> transfer, AReader might work.
> 
> BTW, I have had a lot of trouble with Acrobat causing my system to
> crash/hang, etc.  Happens on my g4 desktop and my Wallstreet, running
> 9.2.1.  One oddity in particular, I can never shut down either mac
> without separately quitting Acrobat--it will hang the shutdown
> process EVERY time if I try to shut down with it running.
> 
> Anyone else have similar problems?  I have reinstalled it so many
> times I have lost track (v4.05).

Nope. Whenever Reader doesn't behave on OS X, it is just "ejected". Now,
with Panther, it seems that Preview got a very substantial speed boost, so
we may not need Reader anymore...

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MAC SW Re: PDF file (conversions, etc)

2003-10-09 Thread James G (Jim) Hardwick 
20031009
- Original Message -
From: "tivo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: PDF file

 > Subject: PDF file
 >
 >
 >> May be a bit off site topic, but how do I go about changing a PDF file
to
 > >> another format once it's downloaded? I don't seem to be offered any
--

Also, you are going to need Acrobat, not Acrobat reader, I think, to 
do any editing.  But if all you want is to capture the text for 
transfer, AReader might work.

BTW, I have had a lot of trouble with Acrobat causing my system to 
crash/hang, etc.  Happens on my g4 desktop and my Wallstreet, running 
9.2.1.  One oddity in particular, I can never shut down either mac 
without separately quitting Acrobat--it will hang the shutdown 
process EVERY time if I try to shut down with it running.

Anyone else have similar problems?  I have reinstalled it so many 
times I have lost track (v4.05).

Jim

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Re: PDF file

2003-10-09 Thread Dawn Brocco 
At 2:34 PM -0700 10/9/03, Brandy wrote:
That's not do-able with the free version of Reader! Also cannot be 
done if the document is locked and password protected!
Brandy

Hi Tivo,
I'll try and help.
In Acrobat, there should be an edit menu, then select all, the copy 
and paste into Word or other word processing document.
You will need to do this for each page of text in the pdf file, as 
far as I can see. I have OS 8.1 and 9, so don't know if, in  X, 
there wouldn't be an edit menu.
Dawn Brocco
Hello Brandy,
I have Acrobat Reader 4, on my desktop, which was a free version, as 
are all Acrobat Reader downloads, no?, and I can copy and paste from 
a pdf to a word processing document.

If a pdf is locked and password protected - there's a reason for that 
- they don't want the contents fiddled with. I might be wrong, but I 
don't remember the original poster saying the pdf, they were 
referring to, was password protected and locked.
Dawn

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Re: PDF file

2003-10-09 Thread Ken 
My Reply follows quote. On 09/10/2003 14:34 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 
 

>That's not do-able with the free version of Reader! Also cannot be done 
>if the document is locked and password protected!
>Brandy
>
>> Hi Tivo,
>> I'll try and help.
>> In Acrobat, there should be an edit menu, then select all, the copy 
>> and paste into Word or other word processing document.
>> You will need to do this for each page of text in the pdf file, as far 
>> as I can see. I have OS 8.1 and 9, so don't know if, in  X, there 
>> wouldn't be an edit menu.
>> Dawn Brocco
>
-
Well, it is doable in most documents. You just have to click on the 
"Text" button before doing a "Select All" (or a "drag-select").


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Re: PDF file

2003-10-09 Thread Brandy 
That's not do-able with the free version of Reader! Also cannot be done 
if the document is locked and password protected!
Brandy

Hi Tivo,
I'll try and help.
In Acrobat, there should be an edit menu, then select all, the copy 
and paste into Word or other word processing document.
You will need to do this for each page of text in the pdf file, as far 
as I can see. I have OS 8.1 and 9, so don't know if, in  X, there 
wouldn't be an edit menu.
Dawn Brocco


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Re: PDF file

2003-10-09 Thread Joe Ellis 

- Original Message -
From: "tivo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: PDF file


> > Subject: PDF file
> >
> >
> >> May be a bit off site topic, but how do I go about changing a PDF file
to
> >> another format once it's downloaded? I don't seem to be offered any
other
> >> options but image files (there are no images in the document).
> >>
> >> I wish to change the format and then change the document to a more
> > condensed
> >> form for printing (such as using Word).
> >>
> >> I've an iBook, OSX, etc.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Tivo
> >>
> > Actually, the PDF file is more condensed than any Word file would be.
That's
> > one of the reasons for using the PDF format on the web. If your PDF file
you
> > downloaded seems large, it may be that it was generated from a scanned
image
> > and if it was, you won't be able to copy the text with PDF Reader
because it
> > really is an image. You should be able to print the file directly from
PDF
> > Reader without going to the trouble of converting it, that's the point
of
> > the PDF format in the first place.
> >
> > Joe Ellis
>
> "Condensed" may be the incorrect term for what I mean. In Word I can
change
> margins and utilize the entire sheet of paper to print, change fonts and
> font size, and get rid of unwanted spaces. This is what I mean by
condensing
> -- using less paper and having more text on a sheet.
>
>
Essentially, you are saying you want to re-format the document, in that case
as long as the file was generated from a text document originally, it's
copy-paste to your hearts content.
Hopefully it's not a scanned document because you would then need some kind
of OCR software.

Joe Ellis



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Re: PDF file

2003-10-09 Thread tivo 
> Subject: PDF file
> 
> 
>> May be a bit off site topic, but how do I go about changing a PDF file to
>> another format once it's downloaded? I don't seem to be offered any other
>> options but image files (there are no images in the document).
>> 
>> I wish to change the format and then change the document to a more
> condensed
>> form for printing (such as using Word).
>> 
>> I've an iBook, OSX, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks, Tivo
>> 
> Actually, the PDF file is more condensed than any Word file would be. That's
> one of the reasons for using the PDF format on the web. If your PDF file you
> downloaded seems large, it may be that it was generated from a scanned image
> and if it was, you won't be able to copy the text with PDF Reader because it
> really is an image. You should be able to print the file directly from PDF
> Reader without going to the trouble of converting it, that's the point of
> the PDF format in the first place.
> 
> Joe Ellis

"Condensed" may be the incorrect term for what I mean. In Word I can change
margins and utilize the entire sheet of paper to print, change fonts and
font size, and get rid of unwanted spaces. This is what I mean by condensing
-- using less paper and having more text on a sheet. 


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Re: PDF file

2003-10-09 Thread Joe Ellis 

- Original Message -
From: "tivo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:48 AM
Subject: PDF file


> May be a bit off site topic, but how do I go about changing a PDF file to
> another format once it's downloaded? I don't seem to be offered any other
> options but image files (there are no images in the document).
>
> I wish to change the format and then change the document to a more
condensed
> form for printing (such as using Word).
>
> I've an iBook, OSX, etc.
>
> Thanks, Tivo
>
Actually, the PDF file is more condensed than any Word file would be. That's
one of the reasons for using the PDF format on the web. If your PDF file you
downloaded seems large, it may be that it was generated from a scanned image
and if it was, you won't be able to copy the text with PDF Reader because it
really is an image. You should be able to print the file directly from PDF
Reader without going to the trouble of converting it, that's the point of
the PDF format in the first place.

Joe Ellis


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Re: PDF file

2003-10-09 Thread Dawn Brocco 
At 8:48 AM -0700 10/9/03, tivo wrote:
May be a bit off site topic, but how do I go about changing a PDF file to
another format once it's downloaded? I don't seem to be offered any other
options but image files (there are no images in the document).
I wish to change the format and then change the document to a more condensed
form for printing (such as using Word).
I've an iBook, OSX, etc.

Thanks, Tivo
Hi Tivo,
I'll try and help.
In Acrobat, there should be an edit menu, then select all, the copy 
and paste into Word or other word processing document.

You will need to do this for each page of text in the pdf file, as 
far as I can see. I have OS 8.1 and 9, so don't know if, in  X, there 
wouldn't be an edit menu.
HTH some!
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