Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-23 Thread James Sanderson

Decided today to try to get a little more life out of
the old Wallstreet by putting in a new hd. I had a 30g
Hitachi i bought six months ago and stuck it in.
Holding down the C key I tried to boot to the 10.2
disk, but only got the flashing question mark. This
made no sense so I tried resetting pram, power
manager, tried an external keyboard, used a zip with
9.1 on it, and diskwarrior but no luck.
Thinking I must have damaged something, I took the new
drive out and replaced the old. It started up and I
was able to boot the 10.2 disk. Put the new drive in
an enclosure, hooked it up to my G4 and formatted and
partioned it. Back into the Wallstreet and the same
problem.
I have installed a number of drives over the years,
but this has me stumped. Its got to be something
simple I'm overlooking - a real forehead smacker.
Could someone please tell me what I'm missing here?


Rereading this post led me to understand that you have a clean  
HD without any OS on it.  Boot from a OS 9 CD.  Partition the HD in  
two sections, the first partition must be less than 8 GB.  Install OS  
9 on the second partition.  I don't know if you can do this from your  
Zip drive, unless you have the disk utility on it. After installing  
the OS, restart the machine using OS 9 then download XPF and install  
OS X.3 using XPF on the first partition.  I would not install X.2 on  
the Wall Street as it causes all sorts of flaky monitor behaviours,  
like a 'melting' effect from which you cannot recover without a  
restart, no wake from sleep,  desktop pictures that are partially  
scrambled cured by moving an open window around (mine did this on the  
lower portion of the monitor only).  The first two are the real 'turn- 
offs,' though.
I have a 12 WS I upgraded to a 300 MHz processor and 83 MHz bus  
as a result of the upgrade and added a larger HD as you are doing.  X. 
3 has run with a hitch and smoothly even with only 160 MB of RAM.  I  
have also worked on a WS II with a 14.1 screen, doing much the  
same.  I had the same issues with X.2 on it as well, but no problems  
with X.3.  If you should go to X.3 do follow XPF's directions for  
installation carefully as there is a video issue with a WS  
installation of X.3.


HTH

J Sanderson

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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-23 Thread David Lesher




Holding down the C key I tried to boot to the 10.2
disk, but only got the flashing question mark.



Rereading this post led me to understand that you have a clean
HD without any OS on it.  Boot from a OS 9 CD.



Err; that is where he is falling down; on booting from a CD.


A) Try another known-good bootable CD.

B) Swap CD drives with another?

C) Boot from a SCSI CD maybe?

D) Can you do installs over the SCSI?



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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-23 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 23/06/05 13:03, Ben Woodard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for all the comments, but I don't think We have
 hit the solution yet.
 
 I did format the hd on my G4 and partioned with the
 8gb. I then put the drive  back in the WS and it did
 the same thing. 
 
 I haven't tried the metal strip because I thought this
 was related only to sleep issues and newer drives did
 not have the problem. Could be wrong.
 
 I tried to boot with a os 9 disk, my diskwarrior disk
 and even os 8  to no avail.
 
 It seems to be a problem with booting from the cd. I
 can do it with the old drive, but not the new. Should
 it be possible to boot without a hd in the computer -
 with just a start up disk? Or does the computer have
 to see a hd even if there is no OS on it? Maybe there
 is something wrong with the new drive.

I did follow this thread and I think that the CD drive is bad for some
reason. You shouldn't have all those problems to boot from a startup CD
specially that you tried many of them. Of course, it's had to be sure until
you replace the CD drive. You don't have to have a hard disk with a system
on it to boot from a startup CD.

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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-23 Thread Mike McGinnis
Is the new drive an ATA-6 drive? I have read Lombards
will not run on a ATA-6, max is a ATA-5. I don't know
if this is true on a Wallstreet.

Just my .$ 02
Mike

--- Ben Woodard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for all the comments, but I don't think We
 have
 hit the solution yet. 
 
 I did format the hd on my G4 and partioned with the
 8gb. I then put the drive  back in the WS and it did
 the same thing. 
 
 I haven't tried the metal strip because I thought
 this
 was related only to sleep issues and newer drives
 did
 not have the problem. Could be wrong.
 
 I tried to boot with a os 9 disk, my diskwarrior
 disk
 and even os 8  to no avail.
 
 It seems to be a problem with booting from the cd. I
 can do it with the old drive, but not the new.
 Should
 it be possible to boot without a hd in the computer
 -
 with just a start up disk? Or does the computer have
 to see a hd even if there is no OS on it? Maybe
 there
 is something wrong with the new drive. 
 
 
   
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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-23 Thread Anne Judge


On Jun 23, 2005, at 5:29 PM, John Abraham wrote:

One thing that I did find out is the Wallstreet is an Old World Mac 
Computer,  This means it is reluctant to boot from the CD drive 
whilst pressing the C key on start up.


Hmm. My wallstreet would boot from a CD whether the C key were pressed 
or not, if the CD was bootable.  The hard (impossible?) thing was to 
get it NOT to boot from the CD.


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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-23 Thread Steven Haack
Since it will boot to the Cd with the old drive in the computer I would 
say the problem is with the formatting of the drive in the G4 machine. I 
would bet that the OS on that machine is X and that would cause the 
problem.  I would try a machine with OS 9(not classic) first too format 
the HD and then try it. If you don't have that see what you have 
available to hook the drive to the computer and then format it that way.

Shaack

Ben Woodard wrote:


Thanks for all the comments, but I don't think We have
hit the solution yet. 


I did format the hd on my G4 and partitioned with the
8gb. I then put the drive  back in the WS and it did
the same thing. 


I haven't tried the metal strip because I thought this
was related only to sleep issues and newer drives did
not have the problem. Could be wrong.

I tried to boot with a os 9 disk, my diskwarrior disk
and even os 8  to no avail.

It seems to be a problem with booting from the cd. I
can do it with the old drive, but not the new. Should
it be possible to boot without a hd in the computer -
with just a start up disk? Or does the computer have
to see a hd even if there is no OS on it? Maybe there
is something wrong with the new drive. 




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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-23 Thread Steven Haack

Don't forget the drive work in another computer!!

Laurent Daudelin wrote:


On 23/06/05 13:03, Ben Woodard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 


Thanks for all the comments, but I don't think We have
hit the solution yet.

I did format the hd on my G4 and partioned with the
8gb. I then put the drive  back in the WS and it did
the same thing. 


I haven't tried the metal strip because I thought this
was related only to sleep issues and newer drives did
not have the problem. Could be wrong.

I tried to boot with a os 9 disk, my diskwarrior disk
and even os 8  to no avail.

It seems to be a problem with booting from the cd. I
can do it with the old drive, but not the new. Should
it be possible to boot without a hd in the computer -
with just a start up disk? Or does the computer have
to see a hd even if there is no OS on it? Maybe there
is something wrong with the new drive.
   



I did follow this thread and I think that the CD drive is bad for some
reason. You shouldn't have all those problems to boot from a startup CD
specially that you tried many of them. Of course, it's had to be sure until
you replace the CD drive. You don't have to have a hard disk with a system
on it to boot from a startup CD.

-Laurent.
 




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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-23 Thread David Lesher



Since it will boot to the Cd with the old drive in the computer I 
would say the problem is with the formatting of the drive in the G4 machine.



Actually, I thinking other things. The new drive draws too much 
current; or it hogs the data lines because ??..


Hmm; on  a PB; what controls drive selection... i.e.  Master/Slave or 
SCSI ID ? Could the new drive be strapped the same as the CD?




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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-23 Thread Steven Haack

neat work-around I like it. Yes this should work
Shaack

John Abraham wrote:


Hi There,

I install a Seagate 40 Gb HD in my Wallstreet 233 MHz plus 512 Mb of 
ram  and had no problems with installing OS 10,1.   I have 4 
partitions one which is a LInux partition, now this one did prove a 
problem  but that's another story.


The same Wallstreet now has a 300 MHz  CPU and running under 10.2.8.

One thing that I did find out is the Wallstreet is an Old World Mac 
Computer,  This means it is reluctant to boot from the CD drive 
whilst pressing the C key on start up.


If I remember what I had to do was as follows:

1. With the original HD in,  place the OS X install CD in the CD 
drive. Make sure it mounts on to the desktop.


2. Go into OS 9 extensions and select START UP DISK.  When you see 
the options ie: HD and OSX install disc select the OS X disc and 
reboot.  You should now be running on the OS X install disc.  If I 
remember correctly as it is now running from the CD what you do with 
the HD will not affect it at the moment.


I then shut the computer down with the OS X disc still in the drive.  
I then changed the HD, rebooted and it still ran from the install CD.


After this I partitioned the HD with the OS X install disc, 
remembering the first partition has to be under 8 Gb as this is where 
you will install the operating system.


When you have installed your operating system just reselect start up 
disc from the install CD to now access the new OS X system partition 
and reboot.


You should now be at the administration screen of your new system. 
Just set the admin name and password and to the desktop you should go.


I hope those works for you as it has been a couple of years since I 
did it and mine has worked OK since.


Good Luck

John Abraham UK



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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Woodard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

Thanks for all the comments, but I don't think We have
hit the solution yet.

I did format the hd on my G4 and partioned with the
8gb. I then put the drive  back in the WS and it did
the same thing.

I haven't tried the metal strip because I thought this
was related only to sleep issues and newer drives did
not have the problem. Could be wrong.

I tried to boot with a os 9 disk, my diskwarrior disk
and even os 8  to no avail.

It seems to be a problem with booting from the cd. I
can do it with the old drive, but not the new. Should
it be possible to boot without a hd in the computer -
with just a start up disk? Or does the computer have
to see a hd even if there is no OS on it? Maybe there
is something wrong with the new drive.







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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-22 Thread Bob Alcorn

Ben,  did you format the new hard drive?
On Jun 22, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Ben Woodard wrote:


Decided today to try to get a little more life out of
the old Wallstreet by putting in a new hd. I had a 30g
Hitachi i bought six months ago and stuck it in.
Holding down the C key I tried to boot to the 10.2
disk, but only got the flashing question mark. This
made no sense so I tried resetting pram, power
manager, tried an external keyboard, used a zip with
9.1 on it, and diskwarrior but no luck.

Thinking I must have damaged something, I took the new
drive out and replaced the old. It started up and I
was able to boot the 10.2 disk. Put the new drive in
an enclosure, hooked it up to my G4 and formatted and
partioned it. Back into the Wallstreet and the same
problem.

I have installed a number of drives over the years,
but this has me stumped. Its got to be something
simple I'm overlooking - a real forehead smacker.
Could someone please tell me what I'm missing here?


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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-22 Thread David Lesher

At 02:53 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote:

Decided today to try to get a little more life out of
the old Wallstreet by putting in a new hd. I had a 30g
Hitachi i bought six months ago and stuck it in.
Holding down the C key I tried to boot to the 10.2
disk, but only got the flashing question mark. This
made no sense so I tried resetting pram, power
manager, tried an external keyboard, used a zip with
9.1 on it, and diskwarrior but no luck.




Wasn't there some issue with the magnet that senses if the case is 
closed, and some HD's

tripping it falsely?



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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-22 Thread Matt and Sue Halter
On the WS the OS needs to be located in a partition less than 8GB in 
size and it must be located in the first 8GB on the drive.


Matt
On Jun 22, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Ben Woodard wrote:


Decided today to try to get a little more life out of
the old Wallstreet by putting in a new hd. I had a 30g
Hitachi i bought six months ago and stuck it in.
Holding down the C key I tried to boot to the 10.2
disk, but only got the flashing question mark. This
made no sense so I tried resetting pram, power
manager, tried an external keyboard, used a zip with
9.1 on it, and diskwarrior but no luck.

Thinking I must have damaged something, I took the new
drive out and replaced the old. It started up and I
was able to boot the 10.2 disk. Put the new drive in
an enclosure, hooked it up to my G4 and formatted and
partioned it. Back into the Wallstreet and the same
problem.

I have installed a number of drives over the years,
but this has me stumped. Its got to be something
simple I'm overlooking - a real forehead smacker.
Could someone please tell me what I'm missing here?


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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Briggs

At 3:31 PM -0400 6/22/05, David Lesher wrote:

At 02:53 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote:

Decided today to try to get a little more life out of
the old Wallstreet by putting in a new hd. I had a 30g
Hitachi i bought six months ago and stuck it in.
Holding down the C key I tried to boot to the 10.2
disk, but only got the flashing question mark. This
made no sense so I tried resetting pram, power
manager, tried an external keyboard, used a zip with
9.1 on it, and diskwarrior but no luck.




Wasn't there some issue with the magnet that senses if the case is 
closed, and some HD's tripping it falsely?


 Yes, that was an issue. I put a 32 Gig IBM Travelstar in mine back 
in 2000 and had to tape a thin steel strip to the top of the drive to 
fix the problem. The page showing how to do this disappeared off the 
Japanese web site that holds it, but I got it through the Way Back 
Machine.

http://web.archive.org/web/20001027113049/http://www01.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/ba2/nsxt/faq17.html

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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-22 Thread Clark Martin

At 3:31 PM -0400 6/22/05, David Lesher wrote:

At 02:53 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote:

Decided today to try to get a little more life out of
the old Wallstreet by putting in a new hd. I had a 30g
Hitachi i bought six months ago and stuck it in.
Holding down the C key I tried to boot to the 10.2
disk, but only got the flashing question mark. This
made no sense so I tried resetting pram, power
manager, tried an external keyboard, used a zip with
9.1 on it, and diskwarrior but no luck.




Wasn't there some issue with the magnet that senses if the case is 
closed, and some HD's

tripping it falsely?


There is an issue but it just causes the computer to not always wake 
up after you open the lid and hit a key.


BTW a simple fix for this problem is to open the lid and turn the 
computer around while tapping a key.  Since this always worked on my 
WS I never bothered trying the magnetic shielding.

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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-22 Thread Clark Martin

At 5:39 PM -0400 6/22/05, Matt and Sue Halter wrote:
On the WS the OS needs to be located in a partition less than 8GB in 
size and it must be located in the first 8GB on the drive.


True but the OP hadn't gotten that far, they were trying to boot from CD.


Matt
On Jun 22, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Ben Woodard wrote:


Decided today to try to get a little more life out of
the old Wallstreet by putting in a new hd. I had a 30g
Hitachi i bought six months ago and stuck it in.
Holding down the C key I tried to boot to the 10.2
disk, but only got the flashing question mark. This
made no sense so I tried resetting pram, power
manager, tried an external keyboard, used a zip with
9.1 on it, and diskwarrior but no luck.

Thinking I must have damaged something, I took the new
drive out and replaced the old. It started up and I
was able to boot the 10.2 disk. Put the new drive in
an enclosure, hooked it up to my G4 and formatted and
partioned it. Back into the Wallstreet and the same
problem.

I have installed a number of drives over the years,
but this has me stumped. Its got to be something
simple I'm overlooking - a real forehead smacker.
Could someone please tell me what I'm missing here?


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Re: Problem with Wallstreet HD install

2005-06-22 Thread Steven Haack
I would try to boot into 9.2.1 first and then partition the hard drive 
with the 8 gig partition and then install OS X this should work fine


Shaack

Ben Woodard wrote:


Decided today to try to get a little more life out of
the old Wallstreet by putting in a new hd. I had a 30g
Hitachi i bought six months ago and stuck it in.
Holding down the C key I tried to boot to the 10.2
disk, but only got the flashing question mark. This
made no sense so I tried resetting pram, power
manager, tried an external keyboard, used a zip with
9.1 on it, and diskwarrior but no luck. 


Thinking I must have damaged something, I took the new
drive out and replaced the old. It started up and I
was able to boot the 10.2 disk. Put the new drive in
an enclosure, hooked it up to my G4 and formatted and
partioned it. Back into the Wallstreet and the same
problem. 


I have installed a number of drives over the years,
but this has me stumped. Its got to be something
simple I'm overlooking - a real forehead smacker.
Could someone please tell me what I'm missing here? 



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