Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Aase Marit Waage]

Hi,
I don`t think any of the music is from the Apple Store...
Aase :)
If thats the law there, then thats the law there, and perhaps the 
music isnt from the Apple store at all, in which case any agreement 
with Apple would not exist... As for Tikkun Olam, its a term that 
has been used and abused for decades to justify all sorts of 
behavior that has nothing to do with actual Tikkun Olam. I havent 
read fully through every post on this, so if I missed where it said 
it was ALL from the Itunes store, then I apologize for butting in.
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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Al Poulin]

Neither would most gentiles until you trigger a Google search on it.
Al Poulin
On Jan 20, 2005, "kochkodin" <"kochkodin"@verizon.net> wrote:
Tikkun olam = ???
Never heard/saw that expression...
Regards,
Mike K
Seth Austen wrote:
On Jan 18, 2005, at 6:07 AM, Tim Collier wrote:
It's just sad that we even have to remind others of the obvious.  I 
will
continue my attempts at 'tikkun olam', but experience tells me that
it's an
uphill battle.

G-books isn't the 1st place I'd expect to see mention of tikkun olam,
but then again, it's likely needed here just as much as anywhere else.


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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[kochkodin]

Tikkun olam = ???
Never heard/saw that expression...
Regards,
Mike K
Seth Austen wrote:
On Jan 18, 2005, at 6:07 AM, Tim Collier wrote:
It's just sad that we even have to remind others of the obvious.  I will
continue my attempts at 'tikkun olam', but experience tells me that 
it's an
uphill battle.

G-books isn't the 1st place I'd expect to see mention of tikkun olam, 
but then again, it's likely needed here just as much as anywhere else.

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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Jason Rife]

If thats the law there, then thats the law there, and perhaps the music 
isnt from the Apple store at all, in which case any agreement with 
Apple would not exist... As for Tikkun Olam, its a term that has been 
used and abused for decades to justify all sorts of behavior that has 
nothing to do with actual Tikkun Olam. I havent read fully through 
every post on this, so if I missed where it said it was ALL from the 
Itunes store, then I apologize for butting in.

On Jan 19, 2005, at 07:52, Seth Austen wrote:
On Jan 18, 2005, at 6:07 AM, Tim Collier wrote:
It's just sad that we even have to remind others of the obvious.  I 
will
continue my attempts at 'tikkun olam', but experience tells me that 
it's an
uphill battle.
G-books isn't the 1st place I'd expect to see mention of tikkun olam, 
but then again, it's likely needed here just as much as anywhere else.

No comment on the legalities of downloaded music, however I'd like to 
point out that if musicians can't make a little money by selling their 
recordings, and it isn't cheap to produce the music, whether in one's 
own studio or a pro facility, sooner or later they aren't going to go 
through the hassle of making them anymore...

Seth
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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Seth Austen]

On Jan 18, 2005, at 6:07 AM, Tim Collier wrote:
It's just sad that we even have to remind others of the obvious.  I 
will
continue my attempts at 'tikkun olam', but experience tells me that 
it's an
uphill battle.
G-books isn't the 1st place I'd expect to see mention of tikkun olam, 
but then again, it's likely needed here just as much as anywhere else.

No comment on the legalities of downloaded music, however I'd like to 
point out that if musicians can't make a little money by selling their 
recordings, and it isn't cheap to produce the music, whether in one's 
own studio or a pro facility, sooner or later they aren't going to go 
through the hassle of making them anymore...

Seth
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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Aase Marit Waage]

Hi again Nancy,
I guess I will have to learn to hold my hands in a slightly different 
position... I think it really got a lot more sensitive because I have 
a fever at the moment. I tried earlier, and I really don`t have to 
physically touch the track pad... It is really annoying, because i 
type real fast, so before I am able to react, I have sometimes not 
only to another place, but also managed to select and remove 
something... If it gets real problematic, I will just have to try to 
cut a piece of plastic or something to put on top of it, but that is 
really not an ideal solution, having to remove it to use the track 
pad etc. Maybe I should ask Apple about it, if they have some ideas 
on how to deal with it... Did you ever do that?

The whole keyboard and the mouse button are also very different than 
the Pismo, I think. But I remember feeling that way when I got the 
Pismo as well, so I guess it is much a matter of getting used to it. 
But the track pad problem is really annoying. I just selected and 
deleted most of this pharagraph. Seconds later I typed a word in the 
paragraph above, before I just now suddenly was typing in the 
sentence above then a few seconds later moved back a few 
characters... I think things happened maybe 6-7 times just during 
this paragraph... That is a bit much...

I hadn`t got to doing anything about the keyboard set-up yet, but 
stumbled u pon it while using a program earlier, I saw the US flag 
showing in the menu. So I went to explore, and a little while later, 
I was typing touch as i always did. I just have to resist looking 
down at all, because I then suddenly doubt where things are. I got a 
keyboard ordered though, so I hope it arrives fast. I just have to 
find somebody to install it.  A Mac dealer I know told me on the 
phone though that changing the keyboard wouldn`t affect AppleCare, 
but I should check whether it can affect it if I don`t use an 
authorized Apple workshop to do it for me. I got it ordered from a 
place out of town, so I can`t get them to do it. Another place I 
checked with, said they couldn`t just order and sell it to me unless 
I delivered them the computer for them to install it. I am sure that 
either my boss or my nephew (who has formal training in such things) 
can do it though, but I just want to be sure that I don`t get any 
problems. I would like not having to pay hours for doing it though, 
as the labor is real expensive here, and I already used a bit too 
much... Oh well, I`ll soon enough find out...

Thanks again for your help!!!
Aase :)   ("Aw-Seh", not "Ace", even if some of my US friends call me 
that because they just can`t say my name)
Aase--FWIW, the "jumpiness" of the trackpad on my ibook is something 
I'm still not used to, especially compared to my Pismo.  I've 
fiddled with the settings on it and it doesn't seem to help, so I 
guess it's just something I'm stuck with.  Enjoy your new 'book!
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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Aase Marit Waage]

Hi all,
I have not got to reading the other mails, been too busy today. But I 
see that obviously has been some discussion, and I just feel 
compelled to make one thing clear...

I see that Ben pointed out one thing, you guys don`t know which 
situation I am in. Ben - you are so correct! :) (and BTW, I am a 
"she":) - "Aw-Seh")

I live in Norway, and my obligation is to follow Norwegian laws. 
According to the big red law book which I actually own copies of, we 
are here allowed to own 1 copy of music etc.  for our own use. If you 
however choose to make copies to sell or distribute, then you are 
breaking the law. That we still have this legislation here, has been 
subject to a lot of discussion, but the law still says this, and I 
really don`t think it will be changed anytime soon...

Actually I just read a long article about it, and there is no 
disagreement when it comes to interpreting this law, it is crystal 
clear (I promise you, the record companies do not like this one bit). 
Bottom line - as a Norwegian citizen, keeping one copy for myself of 
whatever it is in iTunes, is completely legal. I am fully aware of 
the fact that the laws says otherwise e.g. in the US, but I really 
don`t have any obligation towards US law except for when I am 
there...  :)

So, to be honest, I really don`t feel bad about enjoying this music 
when I know that according to the legislation I have to relate to - I 
am not doing anything wrong, and I hope that you guys can understand 
that.

I must say though, I was really disappointed to find out that iTunes 
Music Store is not available for us here. I would love to use it, and 
download music to enjoy. I figured that I could just access it e.g. 
in the US, but I just get a window saying that it is not available in 
my country...

Again, I appreciate all your help and input on the issues I need help 
with!!! This time I however think one point was proved, that things 
aren`t always as they seem... :)

Have a nice evening! Here it is getting late, so it is time to hit 
the sack... I will be back tomorrow to really read your postings!

Until then - take care!
Aase :)

Well, another thing to consider is that any music downloaded off of iTunes
Music Store won't be able to be accessed unless he keeps the former user's
account.  If the former owner is 'OK' with this then.  But I doubt it.
It's just sad that we even have to remind others of the obvious.  I will
continue my attempts at 'tikkun olam', but experience tells me that it's an
uphill battle.
Tim
On 1/17/05 8:22 PM, "Ben Dyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 The original poster was asking for a solution to a technical issue,
 _not_ for moral guidance. There are situations where doing what he
 wants to do is legal, and situations where it isn't. Since we don't
 have enough information to determine which situation he's in, it seems
 prudent to let him decide.
 Cheers,
 Ben
 On 18 Jan 2005, at 11:32, Tim Collier wrote:
 Hey Ben, that's somebody else's music!  What you are suggesting is
 tantamount to theft.  Aase, put your OWN music in iTunes, the stuff
 that is
 there now is NOT YOURS!
 For that matter, any software the previous owner left on it is NOT
 yours
 unless he gave you the install CD's and licenses.
 GUYS!
 Tim

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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Aase Marit Waage]

Hi Tim,
This is sort of a test too, because my last mail bounced, saying that 
my domain was black-listed...

Please read my other mail, Tim. And to address specifically what you 
are saying... The system and software that is on this computer, is 
now mine.  We are just talking about what came with this computer. I 
got all original CD`s, papers etc. that came with it too. The only 
additional thing that came with the computer, was the music he had 
collected. He asked me if I wanted it, and I said yes. Of course I 
could have chosen to say no and started downloading it all over 
again. But that really does not make much sense to do. You probably 
did not notice that I do not live in the US, since you are telling me 
what is right according to US law... But I don`t live in the US, I 
live in Norway - and I follow Norwegian law, which is very different 
than yours on this.  If I deleted iTunes and started downloading it 
all over again, I would still be following Norwegian law. I only own 
one copy of this music, and I am not breaking any law. So I consider 
this music as mine, and I have my full rights to do so.

The case would have been different if I lived in the United States of 
America, but I only have to relate to US law when I am in the US, 
just as you have to relate to Norwegian law if you visit our 
country... It might as well have been the other way around, meaning 
that if something is forbidden by law here, I can`t just assume that 
the same goes for you guys that live in the US...  E.g. I think it is 
really horrendous that people dock tails and ears on dogs, and if 
somebody does it here, they would be in real trouble, it has been 
forbidden by law since 1981. Everybody here agree that it is a 
violation of animal rights to do so, it is considered as abuse and 
inflicting needless pain and suffering onto an innocent animal.  I 
have been on a lot of International dog mailing lists over the years, 
and this issue comes up all the time.  You bet I really feel like 
speaking up, telling how this issue is seen here in Norway and how I 
feel about it. But I just can`t push that belief on the US 
participants, or US friends when I visit the US, for that matter. I 
just have to respect that you follow your customs and legislation, 
and in the US this is still allowed. It is just one of these things 
you have to draw a line on, I think. I don`t like everything that is 
considered "right"  in other countries, and people in other countries 
of course don`t like everything that we consider "right".

But, if you really don`t know, a simple question most often clears it 
up real quickly...

Just my NOK 0.50 worth... :)
Aase :)
Hey Ben, that's somebody else's music!  What you are suggesting is
tantamount to theft.  Aase, put your OWN music in iTunes, the stuff that is
there now is NOT YOURS!
For that matter, any software the previous owner left on it is NOT yours
unless he gave you the install CD's and licenses.
GUYS!
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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Peter Webster]

It's a new year. Let's not go down that what's-illegal-what's-legal road again.


At 7:32 PM -0500 1/17/05, Tim Collier wrote:
>Hey Ben, that's somebody else's music!  What you are suggesting is
>tantamount to theft.  Aase, put your OWN music in iTunes, the stuff that is
>there now is NOT YOURS!
>For that matter, any software the previous owner left on it is NOT yours
>unless he gave you the install CD's and licenses.
>GUYS!
>
>Tim

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[Al Poulin]

I applaud Tim for making his point in the first place.  It is a valid 
one.

On Jan 17, 2005, Tim Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Peter, read your own sig file and rethink that comment.
Tim
On 1/17/05 7:49 PM, "Peter Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's a new year. Let's not go down that what's-illegal-what's-legal 
road
again.

At 7:32 PM -0500 1/17/05, Tim Collier wrote:
Hey Ben, that's somebody else's music!  What you are suggesting is
tantamount to theft.  Aase, put your OWN music in iTunes, the stuff 
that is
there now is NOT YOURS!
For that matter, any software the previous owner left on it is NOT 
yours
unless he gave you the install CD's and licenses.
GUYS!

Tim
Skinny Butt
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[Al Poulin]

Yes indeed, you can change short names.  Apple has a technical article 
for this, #106824.  The MacAddict magazine, October '04 issue carried 
the same info.  Also, there is something you can download from 
VersionTracker called ChangeShortName, but read the disclaimers first, 
something about leaving the old Home Page visible.

On Jan 17, 2005, Nancy Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually, you can change user short names, but you have to let someone
do it who really knows what they're doing.  The tech guy at my school
did it for me when I bought my used Pismo.
On Jan 17, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Aase Marit Waage wrote:
Hi Ben,
The Password field in the accounts preferences pane *always* displays
the same number of dots, regardless of password length or whether
there's one there or not. It's an added security measure.
Oooh... :) I just assumed it had to mean that some password had been
entered, like it usually has been with other things... I guess that is
what they want you to think...
You can't really change the account to your name, at least not fully
-- short user names cannot be changed once set.
Too bad... It would make a lot of things easier. iTunes is set so that
you have to enter his user name to access it. I guess it can be moved
to my user account, but... The obvious easy solution would be to just
change the account name and all would be OK, if it weren't for the
other challenges, that is...
Al Poulin
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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Tim Collier]

Well, another thing to consider is that any music downloaded off of iTunes
Music Store won't be able to be accessed unless he keeps the former user's
account.  If the former owner is 'OK' with this then.  But I doubt it.
It's just sad that we even have to remind others of the obvious.  I will
continue my attempts at 'tikkun olam', but experience tells me that it's an
uphill battle.

Tim


On 1/17/05 8:22 PM, "Ben Dyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The original poster was asking for a solution to a technical issue,
> _not_ for moral guidance. There are situations where doing what he
> wants to do is legal, and situations where it isn't. Since we don't
> have enough information to determine which situation he's in, it seems
> prudent to let him decide.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben
> 
> On 18 Jan 2005, at 11:32, Tim Collier wrote:
> 
>> Hey Ben, that's somebody else's music!  What you are suggesting is
>> tantamount to theft.  Aase, put your OWN music in iTunes, the stuff
>> that is
>> there now is NOT YOURS!
>> For that matter, any software the previous owner left on it is NOT
>> yours
>> unless he gave you the install CD's and licenses.
>> GUYS!
>> 
>> Tim
> 

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On Jan 17, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Aase Marit Waage wrote:

> One big thing just happened though... I am now typing on my new
> iBook... Got it set up in a flash... I didn`t get it to work because
> of a little, super silly mistake! That is how it often is, I think, I
> just assume that it is much more serious and difficult than it is...
> How super-neat to be on though!!!  I am having some problems while
> typing though, even if I don`t touch the track pad properly, the
> cursor suddenly moves. The same thing happens at work when I have a
> fever, and actually I do have one now, so maybe the same thing is
> happening with this track pad. The one on the Pismo isn`t that
> sensitive...

The same thing happened to me when I got my 17". The trackpad seems a lot
more sensitive than the one I had on my Pismo. If you're using OS X, make
sure you turn on "Ignore accidental trackpad input" in the "Trackpad" tab of
the Keyboard and Mouse preference pane. That won't be perfect because I
found out that after I touch a key, I have to move the cursor around to get
the trackpad responding, but it's better then without it...

-Laurent.
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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Nancy Lawrence]

Aase--FWIW, the "jumpiness" of the trackpad on my ibook is something 
I'm still not used to, especially compared to my Pismo.  I've fiddled 
with the settings on it and it doesn't seem to help, so I guess it's 
just something I'm stuck with.  Enjoy your new 'book!

On Jan 17, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Aase Marit Waage wrote:
Hi Nancy,
Thanks a lot! I don`t know if I have anybody who can do that. My best 
bet is probably just
 to start over... We`ll just have to transfer all the music, I just 
can`t lose 35 Gigs of music...

One big thing just happened though... I am now typing on my new 
iBook... Got it set up in a flash... I didn`t get it to work because 
of a little, super silly mistake! That is how it often is, I think, I 
just assume that it is much more serious and difficult than it is... 
How super-neat to be on though!!!  I am having some problems while 
typing though, even if I don`t touch the track pad properly, the 
cursor suddenly moves. The same thing happens at work when I have a 
fever, and actually I do have one now, so maybe the same thing is 
happening with this track pad. The one on the Pismo isn`t that 
sensitive...

Right now I really want to go and start downloading stuff, but I guess 
I will have to wait until tomorrow, after we have re-installed the 
OS...

I must say, even if it is odd with a smaller screen, I love the colors 
and all on this new one. It is really clear...

Thanks again! I am afraid that I will be bugging you guys a lot in the 
near future...

Aase :)
På 17. jan. 2005 kl. 21:39 skrev Nancy Lawrence:
Actually, you can change user short names, but you have to let 
someone do it who really knows what they're doing.  The tech guy at 
my school did it for me when I bought my used Pismo.

On Jan 17, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Aase Marit Waage wrote:
Hi Ben,
The Password field in the accounts preferences pane *always* 
displays the same number of dots, regardless of password length or 
whether there's one there or not. It's an added security measure.
Oooh... :) I just assumed it had to mean that some password had been 
entered, like it usually has been with other things... I guess that 
is what they want you to think...

You can't really change the account to your name, at least not 
fully -- short user names cannot be changed once set.
Too bad... It would make a lot of things easier. iTunes is set so 
that you have to enter his user name to access it. I guess it can be 
moved to my user account, but... The obvious easy solution would be 
to just change the account name and all would be OK, if it weren't 
for the other challenges, that is...

Language changes don't take full effect until you log out and back 
in again (or until you quit all open applications, including the 
Finder and some system services). If you've done that, and some 
applications still use the wrong language, they may not have 
Norwegian localisations. Since you speak English, you should drag 
"English" into second place in the Languages preference pane. This 
will force every app that doesn't support Norwegian to use English 
instead.
Changing to English as second, then Swedish and Danish (which I can 
read) as third and fourth, was the first thing I did. I thought I 
had logged out and back in, but to be sure, I first double checked 
the language preference panel, and logged out again and re-started. 
When it started up, it showed french during the start-up. Then when 
I tried to log out again, it still showed french. I really can't 
imagine that it wouldn't show these basic things in Norwegian, all 
other OS's has done in the past. I just don't get why I can't get 
rid of it... Maybe the only choice I have, is to start over again.

Hmmm... If I load iTunes and it's contents over to an external HD, 
re-install the system etc., and load it back, would I be able to 
access it? Then I won't have the account with the previous owner's 
name anymore, the one which I have to enter now to be able to access 
iTunes... Maybe I am forced to move the library first? I have no 
idea how I can do that, not being used to OS X (or different 
accounts in general), but I am sure it can't be all that difficult. 
Can you change the settings for iTunes, so that it becomes available 
from all accounts?

Thanks a lot for your help, I really appreciate it!!!
Aase :)
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[Ben Dyer]

The original poster was asking for a solution to a technical issue, 
_not_ for moral guidance. There are situations where doing what he 
wants to do is legal, and situations where it isn't. Since we don't 
have enough information to determine which situation he's in, it seems 
prudent to let him decide.

Cheers,
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On 18 Jan 2005, at 11:32, Tim Collier wrote:
Hey Ben, that's somebody else's music!  What you are suggesting is
tantamount to theft.  Aase, put your OWN music in iTunes, the stuff 
that is
there now is NOT YOURS!
For that matter, any software the previous owner left on it is NOT 
yours
unless he gave you the install CD's and licenses.
GUYS!

Tim

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[Tim Collier]

Peter, read your own sig file and rethink that comment.

Tim


On 1/17/05 7:49 PM, "Peter Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's a new year. Let's not go down that what's-illegal-what's-legal road
> again.
> 
> 
> At 7:32 PM -0500 1/17/05, Tim Collier wrote:
>> Hey Ben, that's somebody else's music!  What you are suggesting is
>> tantamount to theft.  Aase, put your OWN music in iTunes, the stuff that is
>> there now is NOT YOURS!
>> For that matter, any software the previous owner left on it is NOT yours
>> unless he gave you the install CD's and licenses.
>> GUYS!
>> 
>> Tim
> 
> Skinny Butt
> 
>  During times of universal deceit, telling  the truth becomes a revolutionary
> act. -George Orwell, writer  (1903-1950)
> 
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[Peter Webster]

It's a new year. Let's not go down that what's-illegal-what's-legal road again.


At 7:32 PM -0500 1/17/05, Tim Collier wrote:
>Hey Ben, that's somebody else's music!  What you are suggesting is
>tantamount to theft.  Aase, put your OWN music in iTunes, the stuff that is
>there now is NOT YOURS!
>For that matter, any software the previous owner left on it is NOT yours
>unless he gave you the install CD's and licenses.
>GUYS!
>
>Tim

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[Tim Collier]

Which, I point out again, isn't yours.

Tim


On 1/17/05 4:10 PM, "Aase Marit Waage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We`ll just have to transfer all the music, I just
> can`t lose 35 Gigs of music...

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[Tim Collier]

Hey Ben, that's somebody else's music!  What you are suggesting is
tantamount to theft.  Aase, put your OWN music in iTunes, the stuff that is
there now is NOT YOURS!
For that matter, any software the previous owner left on it is NOT yours
unless he gave you the install CD's and licenses.
GUYS!

Tim


On 1/17/05 10:34 AM, "Ben Dyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There are a couple of things you can do. Firstly, you can copy his
> iTunes music (normally in Users/[username]/Music/iTunes) out of his
> user folder (for instance, you could drag it to the root level of the
> hard drive). This means that even if you delete his user account, the
> music will stay. Then, for each account you want to use that music
> library in, go to iTunes>Preferences>Advanced, and click "Change...".
> Navigate to wherever you put the music folder, and click "Choose".
> Alternatively, if you only want the music in one account, you can
> simply move the Users/[username]/Music/iTunes folder to the Music
> folder of a different user account.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben

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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Aase Marit Waage]

Hi Nancy,
Thanks a lot! I don`t know if I have anybody who can do that. My best 
bet is probably just
 to start over... We`ll just have to transfer all the music, I just 
can`t lose 35 Gigs of music...

One big thing just happened though... I am now typing on my new 
iBook... Got it set up in a flash... I didn`t get it to work because of 
a little, super silly mistake! That is how it often is, I think, I just 
assume that it is much more serious and difficult than it is... How 
super-neat to be on though!!!  I am having some problems while typing 
though, even if I don`t touch the track pad properly, the cursor 
suddenly moves. The same thing happens at work when I have a fever, and 
actually I do have one now, so maybe the same thing is happening with 
this track pad. The one on the Pismo isn`t that sensitive...

Right now I really want to go and start downloading stuff, but I guess 
I will have to wait until tomorrow, after we have re-installed the 
OS...

I must say, even if it is odd with a smaller screen, I love the colors 
and all on this new one. It is really clear...

Thanks again! I am afraid that I will be bugging you guys a lot in the 
near future...

Aase :)
På 17. jan. 2005 kl. 21:39 skrev Nancy Lawrence:
Actually, you can change user short names, but you have to let someone 
do it who really knows what they're doing.  The tech guy at my school 
did it for me when I bought my used Pismo.

On Jan 17, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Aase Marit Waage wrote:
Hi Ben,
The Password field in the accounts preferences pane *always* 
displays the same number of dots, regardless of password length or 
whether there's one there or not. It's an added security measure.
Oooh... :) I just assumed it had to mean that some password had been 
entered, like it usually has been with other things... I guess that 
is what they want you to think...

You can't really change the account to your name, at least not fully 
-- short user names cannot be changed once set.
Too bad... It would make a lot of things easier. iTunes is set so 
that you have to enter his user name to access it. I guess it can be 
moved to my user account, but... The obvious easy solution would be 
to just change the account name and all would be OK, if it weren't 
for the other challenges, that is...

Language changes don't take full effect until you log out and back 
in again (or until you quit all open applications, including the 
Finder and some system services). If you've done that, and some 
applications still use the wrong language, they may not have 
Norwegian localisations. Since you speak English, you should drag 
"English" into second place in the Languages preference pane. This 
will force every app that doesn't support Norwegian to use English 
instead.
Changing to English as second, then Swedish and Danish (which I can 
read) as third and fourth, was the first thing I did. I thought I had 
logged out and back in, but to be sure, I first double checked the 
language preference panel, and logged out again and re-started. When 
it started up, it showed french during the start-up. Then when I 
tried to log out again, it still showed french. I really can't 
imagine that it wouldn't show these basic things in Norwegian, all 
other OS's has done in the past. I just don't get why I can't get rid 
of it... Maybe the only choice I have, is to start over again.

Hmmm... If I load iTunes and it's contents over to an external HD, 
re-install the system etc., and load it back, would I be able to 
access it? Then I won't have the account with the previous owner's 
name anymore, the one which I have to enter now to be able to access 
iTunes... Maybe I am forced to move the library first? I have no idea 
how I can do that, not being used to OS X (or different accounts in 
general), but I am sure it can't be all that difficult. Can you 
change the settings for iTunes, so that it becomes available from all 
accounts?

Thanks a lot for your help, I really appreciate it!!!
Aase :)
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Re: Setting up a prev. owned iBook Was: Re: Questions: OS Upgrades, browser/Mail/News choice

[Nancy Lawrence]

Actually, you can change user short names, but you have to let someone 
do it who really knows what they're doing.  The tech guy at my school 
did it for me when I bought my used Pismo.

On Jan 17, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Aase Marit Waage wrote:
Hi Ben,
The Password field in the accounts preferences pane *always* displays 
the same number of dots, regardless of password length or whether 
there's one there or not. It's an added security measure.
Oooh... :) I just assumed it had to mean that some password had been 
entered, like it usually has been with other things... I guess that is 
what they want you to think...

You can't really change the account to your name, at least not fully 
-- short user names cannot be changed once set.
Too bad... It would make a lot of things easier. iTunes is set so that 
you have to enter his user name to access it. I guess it can be moved 
to my user account, but... The obvious easy solution would be to just 
change the account name and all would be OK, if it weren't for the 
other challenges, that is...

Language changes don't take full effect until you log out and back in 
again (or until you quit all open applications, including the Finder 
and some system services). If you've done that, and some applications 
still use the wrong language, they may not have Norwegian 
localisations. Since you speak English, you should drag "English" 
into second place in the Languages preference pane. This will force 
every app that doesn't support Norwegian to use English instead.
Changing to English as second, then Swedish and Danish (which I can 
read) as third and fourth, was the first thing I did. I thought I had 
logged out and back in, but to be sure, I first double checked the 
language preference panel, and logged out again and re-started. When 
it started up, it showed french during the start-up. Then when I tried 
to log out again, it still showed french. I really can't imagine that 
it wouldn't show these basic things in Norwegian, all other OS's has 
done in the past. I just don't get why I can't get rid of it... Maybe 
the only choice I have, is to start over again.

Hmmm... If I load iTunes and it's contents over to an external HD, 
re-install the system etc., and load it back, would I be able to 
access it? Then I won't have the account with the previous owner's 
name anymore, the one which I have to enter now to be able to access 
iTunes... Maybe I am forced to move the library first? I have no idea 
how I can do that, not being used to OS X (or different accounts in 
general), but I am sure it can't be all that difficult. Can you change 
the settings for iTunes, so that it becomes available from all 
accounts?

Thanks a lot for your help, I really appreciate it!!!
Aase :)
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[Aase Marit Waage]

Hi Ben,
Thanks a lot for your advice!!! I am going to forward it to work, I 
am taking my iBook with me tomorrow to do things there, borrowing my 
boss' external HDD.

I actually bought an external HDD myself, a Freecom Classic 80GB one. 
My boss told me that I could just buy any USB HDD, and there was a 
great offer at the time, so I jumped on it. But it doesn't seem to 
work, it doesn't appear on the desktop. The CD didn't have any 
drivers for it either. How fun... I was sort of hoping that it had to 
do with Sys 9.2, but when I tried connecting it to the iBook, nothing 
happened then either. I did mail the company's support back when I 
bought it this fall, and explained what happened and not, and got a 
mail back asking "what happens", as if they had not read my mail at 
all. I was real busy at the time and sick too, so I didn't get back 
to them. I really should get back to the issue, because it would be 
great for back-up etc. Since I read about it on their web site and 
saw no mentioning of Mac compatibility,  I asked them if the case was 
that it wouldn't work with a Mac at all, but they didn't mention that 
at all, so maybe there is hope if I get a driver that I can use? When 
it didn't work, I went online and read a bit here and there, and it 
is really my impression that it isn't as easy as my boss told me, 
that not all USB HDD's automatically will work on a Mac, but of 
course, maybe I am wrong?

Oh my... I did it again. I came to think of another thing, and just 
spill it out. I guess I should start another thread instead of doing 
this... I promise to shape up!!! :)

This list is really great!!! Too bad I didn't find it years ago...
Take care!
Aase :)
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[Ben Dyer]

On 18 Jan 2005, at 02:15, Aase Marit Waage wrote:
Changing to English as second, then Swedish and Danish (which I can 
read) as third and fourth, was the first thing I did. I thought I had 
logged out and back in, but to be sure, I first double checked the 
language preference panel, and logged out again and re-started. When 
it started up, it showed french during the start-up. Then when I tried 
to log out again, it still showed french. I really can't imagine that 
it wouldn't show these basic things in Norwegian, all other OS's has 
done in the past. I just don't get why I can't get rid of it... Maybe 
the only choice I have, is to start over again.
Strange. Is the menu bar still in French as well? Note that languages 
are handled per-account, so changing them in one account won't change 
them for others.

Hmmm... If I load iTunes and it's contents over to an external HD, 
re-install the system etc., and load it back, would I be able to 
access it? Then I won't have the account with the previous owner's 
name anymore, the one which I have to enter now to be able to access 
iTunes... Maybe I am forced to move the library first? I have no idea 
how I can do that, not being used to OS X (or different accounts in 
general), but I am sure it can't be all that difficult. Can you change 
the settings for iTunes, so that it becomes available from all 
accounts?
There are a couple of things you can do. Firstly, you can copy his 
iTunes music (normally in Users/[username]/Music/iTunes) out of his 
user folder (for instance, you could drag it to the root level of the 
hard drive). This means that even if you delete his user account, the 
music will stay. Then, for each account you want to use that music 
library in, go to iTunes>Preferences>Advanced, and click "Change...". 
Navigate to wherever you put the music folder, and click "Choose". 
Alternatively, if you only want the music in one account, you can 
simply move the Users/[username]/Music/iTunes folder to the Music 
folder of a different user account.

Cheers,
Ben
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