Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
At 10:50 PM -0500 9/13/05, Steve Fuller wrote: if you are concerned about the Applecare warranty, then you could probably have an Apple certified technician replace the drive. Apple might continue to cover the warranty then. About six months ago, AppleCare told me that I couldn't even do that--that I was stuck with the drive I originally bought with my PowerBook (Ti G4 667 rev. 2). This struck me as draconian, but there didn't seem anything I could do about it. (Now that the computer is out of warranty I am planning on replacing the drive.) That's interesting. I could understand them not covering the drive, but to not cover the rest of the warranty seems a bit odd. I wonder if that could be challenged under the Magnuson-Moss act. That one comes up a lot when a car dealer will try and invalidate a car warranty claim based on the fact that an aftermarket part is installed on the car (one that does not have anything to do with problem being covered under warranty). For example, I replace the shifter in my car myself, the water pump fails, and the dealer won't cover the water pump failure even though it's covered under warranty. One problem is that changing a hard drive on an iBook involves taking apart most of the laptop. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
On Sep 14, 2005, at 1:25 AM, Clark Martin wrote: At 10:50 PM -0500 9/13/05, Steve Fuller wrote: if you are concerned about the Applecare warranty, then you could probably have an Apple certified technician replace the drive. Apple might continue to cover the warranty then. About six months ago, AppleCare told me that I couldn't even do that--that I was stuck with the drive I originally bought with my PowerBook (Ti G4 667 rev. 2). This struck me as draconian, but there didn't seem anything I could do about it. (Now that the computer is out of warranty I am planning on replacing the drive.) That's interesting. I could understand them not covering the drive, but to not cover the rest of the warranty seems a bit odd. I wonder if that could be challenged under the Magnuson-Moss act. That one comes up a lot when a car dealer will try and invalidate a car warranty claim based on the fact that an aftermarket part is installed on the car (one that does not have anything to do with problem being covered under warranty). For example, I replace the shifter in my car myself, the water pump fails, and the dealer won't cover the water pump failure even though it's covered under warranty. One problem is that changing a hard drive on an iBook involves taking apart most of the laptop. If the installation is done by Apple, or an Apple certified technician, this should not be a problem. They still warranteed my powerbook after they replaced the hinge clutch assembly, and that involved taking a good portion of my 17 PB apart I'm sure. I can understand voiding applecare if I replace the drive, but not if an authorized service center does it for me. I wonder if the same holds true if you were to buy your hard drive from Apple? My guess is probably not. Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
At 7:33 AM -0500 on 9/14/05, Steve Fuller wrote: If the installation is done by Apple, or an Apple certified technician, this should not be a problem. They still warranteed my powerbook after they replaced the hinge clutch assembly, and that involved taking a good portion of my 17 PB apart I'm sure. I can understand voiding applecare if I replace the drive, but not if an authorized service center does it for me. I wonder if the same holds true if you were to buy your hard drive from Apple? My guess is probably not. In my case, Apple told me I could not upgrade the drive, even by an Apple certified service dealer. As I said, I thought this was rather draconian. David -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
At 10:50 PM -0500 on 9/13/05, Steve Fuller wrote: That's interesting. I could understand them not covering the drive, but to not cover the rest of the warranty seems a bit odd. I wonder if that could be challenged under the Magnuson-Moss act. That one comes up a lot when a car dealer will try and invalidate a car warranty claim based on the fact that an aftermarket part is installed on the car (one that does not have anything to do with problem being covered under warranty). For example, I replace the shifter in my car myself, the water pump fails, and the dealer won't cover the water pump failure even though it's covered under warranty. I agree with you, Counselor, but the court (Apple) told me that if they saw the drive was replaced, they would assume that was the cause of any other problem. That was their rule and there was no reasoning with them about it. David -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
On Sep 14, 2005, at 2:19 PM, David Brostoff wrote: At 10:50 PM -0500 on 9/13/05, Steve Fuller wrote: That's interesting. I could understand them not covering the drive, but to not cover the rest of the warranty seems a bit odd. I wonder if that could be challenged under the Magnuson-Moss act. That one comes up a lot when a car dealer will try and invalidate a car warranty claim based on the fact that an aftermarket part is installed on the car (one that does not have anything to do with problem being covered under warranty). For example, I replace the shifter in my car myself, the water pump fails, and the dealer won't cover the water pump failure even though it's covered under warranty. I agree with you, Counselor, but the court (Apple) told me that if they saw the drive was replaced, they would assume that was the cause of any other problem. That was their rule and there was no reasoning with them about it. I can vouch for the fact that they blamed my 3rd party RAM for a hard drive problem that I was having. I remember reading somewhere about someone's experience working in a tech support call center where their job was basically to get people off the phone ASAP. He struggled with the fact that helping someone took too long and would reflect poorly on his evaluation. One of his superiors had mastered the kill of We only support the original configuration meaning that he could essentially end any request for help if you had even installed any software on the computer! Wish I could find the link now, it was amusing in a sad sort of way. TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
At 7:15 PM -0500 on 9/12/05, Steve Fuller wrote: if you are concerned about the Applecare warranty, then you could probably have an Apple certified technician replace the drive. Apple might continue to cover the warranty then. About six months ago, AppleCare told me that I couldn't even do that--that I was stuck with the drive I originally bought with my PowerBook (Ti G4 667 rev. 2). This struck me as draconian, but there didn't seem anything I could do about it. (Now that the computer is out of warranty I am planning on replacing the drive.) David -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
on 13/09/05 22:12, David Brostoff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7:15 PM -0500 on 9/12/05, Steve Fuller wrote: if you are concerned about the Applecare warranty, then you could probably have an Apple certified technician replace the drive. Apple might continue to cover the warranty then. About six months ago, AppleCare told me that I couldn't even do that--that I was stuck with the drive I originally bought with my PowerBook (Ti G4 667 rev. 2). This struck me as draconian, but there didn't seem anything I could do about it. (Now that the computer is out of warranty I am planning on replacing the drive.) David Yes, I agree that it is kind of a stupid policy. When you get extended AppleCare, that means that you are locked to your drive for 3 years. Sure, there are portable FireWire enclosures, but it's not as convenient as having the hard disk space internally... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] padded cell: n. Where you put lusers so they can't hurt anything. A program that limits a luser to a carefully restricted subset of the capabilities of the host system (for example, the `rsh(1)' utility on USG Unix). Note that this is different from an iron box because it is overt and not aimed at enforcing security so much as protecting others (and the luser) from the consequences of the luser's boundless naivete (see naive). Also `padded cell environment'. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
if you are concerned about the Applecare warranty, then you could probably have an Apple certified technician replace the drive. Apple might continue to cover the warranty then. About six months ago, AppleCare told me that I couldn't even do that--that I was stuck with the drive I originally bought with my PowerBook (Ti G4 667 rev. 2). This struck me as draconian, but there didn't seem anything I could do about it. (Now that the computer is out of warranty I am planning on replacing the drive.) That's interesting. I could understand them not covering the drive, but to not cover the rest of the warranty seems a bit odd. I wonder if that could be challenged under the Magnuson-Moss act. That one comes up a lot when a car dealer will try and invalidate a car warranty claim based on the fact that an aftermarket part is installed on the car (one that does not have anything to do with problem being covered under warranty). For example, I replace the shifter in my car myself, the water pump fails, and the dealer won't cover the water pump failure even though it's covered under warranty. Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
I've checked some tests done on the newest Seagate Momemtum drive, a 120GB, 5400RPM drive with 8MB cache. The results were pretty impressive when compared to other drives that had slower rotational speeds. So, with that drive around $230, I was wondering if I would break my AppleCare extended warranty if I was to replace the internal, original 80GB in my PowerBook 17 with one of those. Anybody knows for sure? -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
I was told at the Apple Store that the drive in PowerBooks (I have a 12) is not a user replaceable item and will void your warranty if you open the cast to replace it. Tom On 9/12/05 1:36 PM, Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've checked some tests done on the newest Seagate Momemtum drive, a 120GB, 5400RPM drive with 8MB cache. The results were pretty impressive when compared to other drives that had slower rotational speeds. So, with that drive around $230, I was wondering if I would break my AppleCare extended warranty if I was to replace the internal, original 80GB in my PowerBook 17 with one of those. Anybody knows for sure? -Laurent. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Tom Ethen wrote: I was told at the Apple Store that the drive in PowerBooks (I have a 12) is not a user replaceable item and will void your warranty if you open the cast to replace it. Go for an external drive! Jim -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Replacing hard drive in PowerBook under extended AppleCare?
On Sep 12, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Tom Ethen wrote: I was told at the Apple Store that the drive in PowerBooks (I have a 12) is not a user replaceable item and will void your warranty if you open the cast to replace it. if you are concerned about the Applecare warranty, then you could probably have an Apple certified technician replace the drive. Apple might continue to cover the warranty then. Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
