DVD-RW in tiBooks (was"Re: UDF CDs in OS X?")

[Mikael Byström]

I've been meaning to ask if anyone know what the problem is with the
titanium powerbooks and their inability to read DVD-RW discs. I have some
I've burnt at 1x that won't be recognized in my PB G4 / 400.

The drive is the "MATSHITADVD-ROM SR-8187" Rev: HA 18
Can the firmware of this model perhaps be updated to recognize DVD-RWs? I
tried to google but didn't find much conclusive. You have more info?


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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[darm0k]

At 04:04 PM -0400 10/27/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 07:25 AM -0700 10/27/2004, John C. Swanson wrote:
I just found this company who sells UDF v1 - v2.0.1 drivers for both X
and 8.6 - 9.  There website is here http://www.softarch.com/index.html.
If I can find a free driver I will let you know.
Thx John.  I found the same site this morning via reading the specs 
on UDF itself.  Apparently the original author of the UDF ext for 
Roxio now works for Softarch?

That was the good news.
The bad news: I paid the $24.95 for ReadDVD!, download & installed 
it on the PowerBook, and it doesn't work.  The web site sounds like 
this is full release software, but from the readme contained within 
the package, it is apparently unfinished beta software.  It lists 
the inability to mount ISO9660/UDF CDs in the eratta!  I sent email 
to them.  No reply yet.  :(
Got a terse reply - the software is broken and won't be fixed soon. 
So I've done the necessaries to get a refund.

Still no UDF soln.  :(
- Dan.
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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[Tim]

On Oct 27, 2004, at 3:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Apple's failure to support UDF 2.0.1 turns out to be why some new 
commercial DVD movies won't play on Macs.

Who'd wanna watch DVD's of commercials, anyway?
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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[darm0k]

At 04:17 PM +0200 10/27/2004, Marcin Wichary wrote:
AFAIK, You'll have to boot from OS 9 to get at those files.
By decree of L'Jobs, the new PowerBooks cannot boot OS 9.
Of course, you'll need to find a machine other than your PB to do it.
That doesn't help read CDs on the road -- which is the point of 
buying a PB instead of a PM.
How about installing Yellow Dog Linux (or some other Linux) on a 
small partition, then Mac-on-Linux on it, and then OS 9 inside? I 
know it's probably very uncomfortable, and requires rebooting, but 
at least it's something to begin with.
hum.  Such a wierd idea, it would probably work.
Not too fond of the idea of adding yet-another OS to the PB tho.  My 
housemate is having enough trouble with OS X.

Thx for the idea,
- Dna.
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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[darm0k]

At 10:54 PM -0400 10/26/2004, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
on 26/10/04 22:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 > Why is it so hard to make Macs work in the real world?
Well, Dan, it depends. For me, my Macs work fine in the real world. I've
never had to read any UDF CD since I've been using Macs, which is back in
1985. So, I don't miss them really.
Check out the UDF specs -- its the underlying format for DVD Video discs.
Apple's failure to support UDF 2.0.1 turns out to be why some new 
commercial DVD movies won't play on Macs.

- Dan.
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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[darm0k]

At 07:25 AM -0700 10/27/2004, John C. Swanson wrote:
I just found this company who sells UDF v1 - v2.0.1 drivers for both X
and 8.6 - 9.  There website is here http://www.softarch.com/index.html.
If I can find a free driver I will let you know.
Thx John.  I found the same site this morning via reading the specs 
on UDF itself.  Apparently the original author of the UDF ext for 
Roxio now works for Softarch?

That was the good news.
The bad news: I paid the $24.95 for ReadDVD!, download & installed it 
on the PowerBook, and it doesn't work.  The web site sounds like this 
is full release software, but from the readme contained within the 
package, it is apparently unfinished beta software.  It lists the 
inability to mount ISO9660/UDF CDs in the eratta!  I sent email to 
them.  No reply yet.  :(

- Dan.
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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[John C. Swanson]

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Subject: UDF CDs in OS X?

We gots dozens of CDs here, in UDF format, that can't be read on our 
brand new PowerBook... *grumble*

Apple's UDF driver only supports the older UDF versions.  For CDs 
written this century, one normally needs a UDF 1.5 compliant driver.

Roxio (who owns UDF, I guess) has a 1.5 driver for OS 8/9.  But it 
doesn't work in Classic?  And apparently they're irked at Apple for 
trying to crush their disc authoring/burning business...  So they 
have no driver for OS X.

Anyone know where to get such a beastie?

Thx,
- Dan.
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I just found this company who sells UDF v1 - v2.0.1 drivers for both X
and 8.6 - 9.  There website is here http://www.softarch.com/index.html.
If I can find a free driver I will let you know.

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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[Marcin Wichary]

AFAIK, You'll have to boot from OS 9 to get at those files.
By decree of L'Jobs, the new PowerBooks cannot boot OS 9.
Of course, you'll need to find a machine other than your PB to do it.
That doesn't help read CDs on the road -- which is the point of buying 
a PB instead of a PM.
How about installing Yellow Dog Linux (or some other Linux) on a small 
partition, then Mac-on-Linux on it, and then OS 9 inside? I know it's 
probably very uncomfortable, and requires rebooting, but at least it's 
something to begin with.

(Mac-on-Linux does not work natively on Mac OS X yet... although people 
are working on it.)

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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

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On 10/26/04 10:34 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 07:50 PM -0400 10/26/2004, Richard Smykla wrote:
>> 
>> AFAIK, You'll have to boot from OS 9 to get at those files.
> 
> By decree of L'Jobs, the new PowerBooks cannot boot OS 9.
> 
>> Of course, you'll need to find a machine other than your PB to do it.
> 
> That doesn't help read CDs on the road -- which is the point of
> buying a PB instead of a PM.
> 
> 
> Why is it so hard to make Macs work in the real world?
> sigh.

UDF is a great idea that in the real world doesn't work so great. When Sony
released their mini CD based Mavika cameras my employer bought a dozen of
them because the floppy based system had worked so flawlessly. After 6
months we dumped them because we experienced so many failures. (Note, we are
mainly a PC enterprise so the issue wasn't Mac support.)

The only time Macs don't work well in the real world, in my experience, is
when we run up against marginal PC technology that has been forced upon us.
Of course, since PC technology so often fails us, PC problems are taken as a
matter of course while Mac problems infuriate us due, at least in part, to
their infrequency.

david




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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 26/10/04 22:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> At 07:50 PM -0400 10/26/2004, Richard Smykla wrote:
>> 
>> AFAIK, You'll have to boot from OS 9 to get at those files.
> 
> By decree of L'Jobs, the new PowerBooks cannot boot OS 9.
> 
>> Of course, you'll need to find a machine other than your PB to do it.
> 
> That doesn't help read CDs on the road -- which is the point of
> buying a PB instead of a PM.
> 
> 
> Why is it so hard to make Macs work in the real world?

Well, Dan, it depends. For me, my Macs work fine in the real world. I've
never had to read any UDF CD since I've been using Macs, which is back in
1985. So, I don't miss them really.

I do however understand your problem and it's unfortunate that the OS X
driver for UDF CD hasn't been kept current...

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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[darm0k]

At 07:50 PM -0400 10/26/2004, Richard Smykla wrote:
AFAIK, You'll have to boot from OS 9 to get at those files.
By decree of L'Jobs, the new PowerBooks cannot boot OS 9.
Of course, you'll need to find a machine other than your PB to do it.
That doesn't help read CDs on the road -- which is the point of 
buying a PB instead of a PM.

Why is it so hard to make Macs work in the real world?
sigh.
- Dan.
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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[Travis Martin]

Why not get, say, a beige G3 and set it up with OS9 on your network and 
call it your "UDF Server?"

They're cheap and plentiful...I use one for an iTunes server so I don't 
waste resources on my PB. It sits headless in a closet with its audio 
outputs going to a powered speaker set; I use Timbuktu to control it 
when I want to listen to some 'toons. I have more in the hard drive 
than I do in the rest of the computer!

Travis
On Oct 26, 2004, at 6:50 PM, Richard Smykla wrote:
Dan,
AFAIK, You'll have to boot from OS 9 to get at those files. I tried to 
do this myself a while back, and found that a real OS9  boot was 
(apparently) the only way to access those discs. I researched this and 
asked around on various mail lists and no one could tell me different 
- I eventually succumbed to booting in 9 and reburning the data. If 
you manage to find another way, please share, I'm sure there are 
others out there with the same need.

Of course, you'll need to find a machine other than your PB to do it.
Rick
We gots dozens of CDs here, in UDF format, that can't be read on our 
brand new PowerBook... *grumble*

Apple's UDF driver only supports the older UDF versions.  For CDs 
written this century, one normally needs a UDF 1.5 compliant driver.

Roxio (who owns UDF, I guess) has a 1.5 driver for OS 8/9.  But it 
doesn't work in Classic?  And apparently they're irked at Apple for 
trying to crush their disc authoring/burning business...  So they 
have no driver for OS X.

Anyone know where to get such a beastie?
Thx,
- Dan.

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Re: UDF CDs in OS X?

[Richard Smykla]

Dan,
AFAIK, You'll have to boot from OS 9 to get at those files. I tried 
to do this myself a while back, and found that a real OS9  boot was 
(apparently) the only way to access those discs. I researched this 
and asked around on various mail lists and no one could tell me 
different - I eventually succumbed to booting in 9 and reburning the 
data. If you manage to find another way, please share, I'm sure there 
are others out there with the same need.

Of course, you'll need to find a machine other than your PB to do it.
Rick
We gots dozens of CDs here, in UDF format, that can't be read on our 
brand new PowerBook... *grumble*

Apple's UDF driver only supports the older UDF versions.  For CDs 
written this century, one normally needs a UDF 1.5 compliant driver.

Roxio (who owns UDF, I guess) has a 1.5 driver for OS 8/9.  But it 
doesn't work in Classic?  And apparently they're irked at Apple for 
trying to crush their disc authoring/burning business...  So they 
have no driver for OS X.

Anyone know where to get such a beastie?
Thx,
- Dan.

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UDF CDs in OS X?

[darm0k]

We gots dozens of CDs here, in UDF format, that can't be read on our 
brand new PowerBook... *grumble*

Apple's UDF driver only supports the older UDF versions.  For CDs 
written this century, one normally needs a UDF 1.5 compliant driver.

Roxio (who owns UDF, I guess) has a 1.5 driver for OS 8/9.  But it 
doesn't work in Classic?  And apparently they're irked at Apple for 
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have no driver for OS X.

Anyone know where to get such a beastie?
Thx,
- Dan.
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