broken network
Greetings listers -- All of a sudden my ethernet connection won't connect. It's the simplest possible network, two computers (a BW G3 and a Lombard G-3 PB, both running OS 10.3 and 9.2.2) intermittently tied together with a simple crossover ethernet cable so that they can back each other up and so that I can use whichever seems most convenient -- they virtually mirror each other, or at least they did until the connection broke down a week or so ago. System profiler on both computers shows the ethernet capability as operative, but attempts to connect produce no response from server. Separately, each computer works perfectly. I've used some variant of this system for years, never had any trouble with it till now Here's what I've tried so far. (a) a different ethernet cable (I thought maybe the cat had been chewing on it). No difference. (b) booting up in OS 9: the other computer doesn't appear in the Chooser. (c) reinstalling OS 9 (because I'd stripped it down a lot in the original installation, and thought maybe some crucial file had been omitted). No difference. (d) dragging out my old 5300 and trying to connect each of the current computers to that, on the assumption that there had to be a hardware problem in one or the other of them. Neither one could connect. Just for fun I also dragged out my old 1400, that never has had ethernet capability, and tried hooking it up to the 5300 with a serial cable: that DID work, though does nothing to solve the present difficulty. I have no idea what might be wrong, or what to do to fix it. Fortunately I've also got a USB zip drive, so can back up files to that, and transfer them by moving the zip from the desktop to the laptop -- but what a slow cumbersome nuisance! Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Best, Victoria -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: broken network
Wow, Victoria, that IS a head-scratcher. Am I understanding you correctly, to say that the BW sees the Lombard, and the Lombard sees the BW, but they just won't connect? I'll send this and then get back with you when I find my Sherlock Holmes hat...now, where did I put it? rb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: broken network
At 11:04 AM -0700 10/19/2005, Victoria Brandon wrote: All of a sudden my ethernet connection won't connect. It's the simplest possible network, two computers (a BW G3 and a Lombard G-3 PB, both running OS 10.3 and 9.2.2) intermittently tied together with a simple crossover ethernet cable Using a crossover cable makes for a twitchy set-up at best. intermittently? You mean you unplug that cable now and then... I'd expect that to eventually cause a failure as the networking (IP and/or AppleTalk) stacks get out of sync with the drivers which get out of sync with the cables' CTS. Turn off file sharing on both machines. Turn off AppleTalk on both machines. Reboot. Connect the cable. Turn on AppleTalk on both. Turn on File Sharing on both. DO NOT disconnect that cable. AppleTalk's driver requires a CTS signal from the ethernet cable at all times. In a normal set-up, a hub would supply this, allowing you to disconnect the other computer etc. HTH, - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: broken network
On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using a crossover cable makes for a twitchy set-up at best. intermittently? You mean you unplug that cable now and then... I'd expect that to eventually cause a failure as the networking (IP and/or AppleTalk) stacks get out of sync with the drivers which get out of sync with the cables' CTS. Turn off file sharing on both machines. Turn off AppleTalk on both machines. Reboot. Connect the cable. Turn on AppleTalk on both. Turn on File Sharing on both. DO NOT disconnect that cable. AppleTalk's driver requires a CTS signal from the ethernet cable at all times. In a normal set-up, a hub would supply this, allowing you to disconnect the other computer etc. Dan -- I'll give it a try, but as previously stated I've been doing it this way for years, with a succession of computers, no trouble: they're only connected when I want to back up from one to the other. It sounds like what you're really telling me is to get a hub -- because there's hardly any point having a laptop if it has to stay connected to a cable all the time (it wouldn't even reach to my car, much less to whatever distant point I might want to take the PB). Best, Victoria -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: broken network
On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:20 AM, R. P. Bell wrote: Wow, Victoria, that IS a head-scratcher. Am I understanding you correctly, to say that the BW sees the Lombard, and the Lombard sees the BW, but they just won't connect? I don't know whether they see each other or not: they certainly don't seem to do so in OS 9, because the other computer doesn't even show up in the Chooser. In 10.3 the relevant name does appear in the Connect box, but that's probably just because once upon a time they knew each other very well -- the dialog box reads the same whether or not the cable is connected, so I think it's just a wistful memory. Best, Victoria -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
