Interchanging iBook G3 & G4 keyboards

[Ruffin Bailey]

I'm afraid I've mostly lurked on this list for a while and I  
apologize if the subject has been covered before, but just in case  
it's helpful...  I certainly didn't find anyone who seemed to have  
done the deed when I Googled this up a few times over the last year.


Short answers:

* You *cannot* use iBook G4 keyboards on iBook G3s without putting an  
extension on the ribbon, which, if you don't mind, we'll say is a  
nontrivial exercise, to put it mildly.


* You *can* use G3 keyboards on G4 with a few caveats.  One, you'll  
have to fold the ribbon like a "Z" over on itself, which is not the  
recommended way of using a ribbon cable.  Two, you'll have a slight  
bow in the keyboard that'll make it poke up just enough you'll likely  
scrape the screen with your keyboard's keys.



I had a G4 keyboard go flakey on me (never liked it as much as the  
iBook G3 keyboard, and it finally acted so wacky I either had to  
clean it #shudder!# or use it as an excuse for this experiment) and,  
after pulling another keyboard from a limping iBook G3, the things  
looked similar enough I thought it was worth a shot.  So far, so  
good.  The bent-over ribbon does concern me a bit, however.


The iBook G4 keyboard doesn't have a particularly nice feel, imo,  
though the metal keyholders do seem a bit more robust.  I've had  
issues on my G4 kybd with the space bar not being so responsive and  
with random keys repeating at the slightest pressure (particularly  
"h", fwiw).  Taking a little out of a G3 keyboard's ribbon would seem  
a nice way to get a good typing-feel into this very nice laptop.  I'd  
considered downgrading to an iBook G3 900 to get as much perf as I  
could with the nicer keyboard, esp since Small Dog had told me that I  
couldn't swap in a G3 kybd for the G4.  Glad I found out differently,  
so far.  I'm not so sure they were wrong -- the keyboards *aren't*  
interchangeable.  But, again, you can take the G3's to the G4.


Anyhow, there you go.  Hope that helps someone at some point.

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Re: iBook G3 G4 12" 14" MoBos

[Malcolm Cornelius]

>> 
>> Nope.
>> 
>> The battery connector on the 12in is soldered on the logic board whereas on
>> the 14in they are on a cable off the board IIRC.
> 
> it is for the larger size of the 14". there is no way to modify the boards?

Didn't seem easy when I looked at it - I didn't even consider it an option
when trying to repair a 14in

> btw. i guess that the 12" g3 and g4 are indeed interchangeable.

No idea, I've never looked at a G4 board.

Even within the G3 12in, there are a number of different board sizes and you
may need the metal frame as well as the logic board to do swap.


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Re: iBook G3 G4 12" 14" MoBos

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

Nope.

The battery connector on the 12in is soldered on the logic board whereas on
the 14in they are on a cable off the board IIRC.


it is for the larger size of the 14". there is no way to modify the boards?

btw. i guess that the 12" g3 and g4 are indeed interchangeable.

isn't it?

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Re: iBook G3 G4 12" 14" MoBos

[Malcolm Cornelius]

> Given that the logic board of the  14" iBook G4 has the same size of
> the 12" I was wondering if the are interchangeable, and, in case, if
> it is possible to put the 14" G4 logic board  into a 12" G3 ibook.

Nope.

The battery connector on the 12in is soldered on the logic board whereas on
the 14in they are on a cable off the board IIRC.

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iBook G3 G4 12" 14" MoBos

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

Given that the logic board of the  14" iBook G4 has the same size of 
the 12" I was wondering if the are interchangeable, and, in case, if 
it is possible to put the 14" G4 logic board  into a 12" G3 ibook.


Ben

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Re: Wallstreet vs iBook G3-G4

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

I actually thought that the then 2003-04 crop of iBook G4s, maybe they
had 256MB, looked bad GUI-wise compared to my WS II 266 with 384 MB and
10.3. That was like strange.
I moved from the Wallstreet bluechip G3 500 with 512 MB RAM, to the 
Aluminium G4 1.25 with 1GB RAM and I was happy.

But what if I had moved to an iBook G4? I would have complained quite a lot!
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Re: Wallstreet vs iBook G3-G4

[Mikael Byström]

Matt and Sue Halter said:

>My wallstreet w/bluechip 466 G3 will run many programs faster under OSX 
>than my 800 G4 iBook, even though I have 640 mb ram in the iBook and 
>only 256 in the WS.  I think it has to do with the difference in L2 
>cache size as much as anything.  Just speculation though.

I agree this is the reason as the g4 bluechips aren't faster than the
500Mhz+ PB G4s in tests I've seen. iBooks, except maybe for the latest,
seem crippled. 
I actually thought that the then 2003-04 crop of iBook G4s, maybe they
had 256MB, looked bad GUI-wise compared to my WS II 266 with 384 MB and
10.3. That was like strange.


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Re: Wallstreet vs iBook G3-G4

[Matt and Sue Halter]

My wallstreet w/bluechip 466 G3 will run many programs faster under OSX 
than my 800 G4 iBook, even though I have 640 mb ram in the iBook and 
only 256 in the WS.  I think it has to do with the difference in L2 
cache size as much as anything.  Just speculation though.

Matt
On May 5, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote:
I have several Macs, including PowerBook G4, PowerMac G5, iBook G4 and 
G3.

Today I had to set up and old WS with the BlueChip 500 MHz processor 
to use with an even older projector (this old projector seems to be 
not compatible with any of the Aluminium screen resolution).

Well after a year away from the WS (OS X 10.2.8) I noticed it is 
pretty faster than the iBook G3 500 MHz and not so slower than the 
iBook G4.

Opinions?
Ben

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Re: Wallstreet vs iBook G3-G4

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

Is the BlueChip a G4?
If so the G4 chip will run OS X faster than a G3
It is a G3, this is why I am astonished!
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Re: Wallstreet vs iBook G3-G4

[Alan Miller]

Is the BlueChip a G4?
If so the G4 chip will run OS X faster than a G3
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On Thursday, May 5, 2005, at 03:22  PM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote:
I have several Macs, including PowerBook G4, PowerMac G5, iBook G4 and 
G3.

Today I had to set up and old WS with the BlueChip 500 MHz processor 
to use with an even older projector (this old projector seems to be 
not compatible with any of the Aluminium screen resolution).

Well after a year away from the WS (OS X 10.2.8) I noticed it is 
pretty faster than the iBook G3 500 MHz and not so slower than the 
iBook G4.

Opinions?


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Wallstreet vs iBook G3-G4

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

I have several Macs, including PowerBook G4, PowerMac G5, iBook G4 and G3.
Today I had to set up and old WS with the BlueChip 500 MHz processor 
to use with an even older projector (this old projector seems to be 
not compatible with any of the Aluminium screen resolution).

Well after a year away from the WS (OS X 10.2.8) I noticed it is 
pretty faster than the iBook G3 500 MHz and not so slower than the 
iBook G4.

Opinions?
Ben

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iBook G3 -> G4

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

The Logic Boards in the whole white iBook line (G3, G4, 12" 14") 
occupies only the left side and since the ports are located in the 
same position I was wondering if it is feasible to swap them; i.e. 
upgrade a G3 to a G4.

I have the opportunity of getting an iBook G4 logic board.
Ben
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iBook G3 --> G4

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

Is it feasible to put the logic board of an iBook G4 into an iBook G3?
Ben
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