Re: length of sig files

2002-12-18 Thread Dan Knight 
Joe Ellis writes:

>On 12/16/02 10:36 PM, "Justin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> ::adds maturity to list of qualities of this list::
>> im just waiting to get kicked off, so i dont have to go through the
>> effort of taking my self off.
>> 
>> On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 10:34  PM, Sque wrote:
>> 
>>> How much longer do we have to put up with this crap? Take it off list or
>>> do you need instructions dickhead?
>> 
>Please, list Mom, grant him his wish and kick him off I wouldn't want him to
>have to expend any effort and I don't  want to expend any more on him
>either.

I wish he'd asked earlier instead of subjecting us to so many juvenile 
rants -- and his inability to use a shift key. Wish granted.

Dan the listmom

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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-17 Thread Obi-Wan 
On 12/17/02 7:05 AM, "James Rohde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
Cybertrough:

> List Nannies, can you please declare this thread over, done, dead?

This thread is dead.  And so are any related threads with new titles.  Kill
it.  It's time to move on.  Let's get back to what this list is all about.
The holidays always bring stress to these e-mail lists, but there is really
no reason for that to be.  Everyone take a deep breath and post On Topic Mac
related ramblings.

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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-17 Thread Marty Lindower 
>List Nannies, can you please declare this thread over, done, dead?

I second. All in favor? Passes unanimously... now lets move on...

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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-17 Thread James Rohde 
List Nannies, can you please declare this thread over, done, dead?

Thanks,

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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-16 Thread Laurent Daudelin 
on 16/12/02 22:34, Sque at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> are you kidding me??
>> 
>> THE INTERNET IS A NETWORK. A LARGE NETWORK OF NETWORKS.
>> 
>> christ all mighty. this reaffirms my previous comments of the
>> *INCREDIBLE* amount of unknowledgeable spew on this list.
>>  
>> 
> 
> How much longer do we have to put up with this crap? Take it off list or
> do you need instructions dickhead?

As one of the list nanny, I ask everybody to stop this thread. That's more
than enough. Take it privately. "Let's move on, these are not the droids
that we are looking for."

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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-16 Thread Joe Ellis 
On 12/16/02 10:36 PM, "Justin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ::adds maturity to list of qualities of this list::
> im just waiting to get kicked off, so i dont have to go through the
> effort of taking my self off.
> 
> <3
> 
> On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 10:34  PM, Sque wrote:
> 
>> How much longer do we have to put up with this crap? Take it off list or
>> do you need instructions dickhead?
> 
Please, list Mom, grant him his wish and kick him off I wouldn't want him to
have to expend any effort and I don't  want to expend any more on him
either.

Thanks,
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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-16 Thread Sque 
To unsubscribe, email:  

or is it too hard? Whatever.

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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-16 Thread Justin 
::adds maturity to list of qualities of this list::
im just waiting to get kicked off, so i dont have to go through the 
effort of taking my self off.

<3

On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 10:34  PM, Sque wrote:

> How much longer do we have to put up with this crap? Take it off list or
> do you need instructions dickhead?


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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-16 Thread Sque 


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>are you kidding me??
>
>THE INTERNET IS A NETWORK. A LARGE NETWORK OF NETWORKS.
>
>christ all mighty. this reaffirms my previous comments of the 
>*INCREDIBLE* amount of unknowledgeable spew on this list.
>  
>

How much longer do we have to put up with this crap? Take it off list or 
do you need instructions dickhead?


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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-16 Thread Justin 
are you kidding me??

THE INTERNET IS A NETWORK. A LARGE NETWORK OF NETWORKS.

christ all mighty. this reaffirms my previous comments of the 
*INCREDIBLE* amount of unknowledgeable spew on this list.

yes. websites /are/ on bandwidth limits. its how web hosts make their 
money. sending data from one computer to another computer, via tcp/ip 
protocols (even smtp) is not the same as downloading static data from an 
http server. yes, it may be using their same bandwidth, but again, to 
sent plain text data to a mail server is probably 8-10k at best. not an 
issue. i run a web host myself, and am close friends with someone who 
runs one of the major web design/hosting firms in this area (has 
international clients, as well as all the main businesses around this 
area) i understand how bandwidth quotas work. its an email list. its 
what its here for. to transmit text through a mail server, to another 
mail server. not to be rude, but honestly do you think i give a damn 
about someone's bandwidth from a mailing list? he set the list up, to 
receive and transmit. thats what it does, and is doing. if he didnt want 
this to occur, would the list continue? no.
hell, look at the bottom of every message transmitted. i can see 7 lines 
of text that to me could be replaced with one.
internet newbie? hahi do more with the internet than email and http. 
definitely not a "newbie" - ive got years of experience under my belt, 
including work experience.
sorry, i think i might have cost someone a few cents for sending such a 
large message. guess i should cut this short.
(btw, yeah, i dont care how much i cut and pasted - if the owner has a 
problem with the amount of text im transmitting on the list that he set 
up, with full knowledge of what running a mail server entails, i'll 
*gladly* paypal him .05c that my overage might have caused.)

incredible.


On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 09:36  PM, B.J. Major wrote:

>> the ignorance amazes me.
>>
>> you sir, need to read a book about how networks work.
>
> No, I don't.  "Networks" are not the same thing as "the internet" and I
> do know the difference.  Notice that I quoted *exactly* what I needed to
> in order to reply to your message.  However, you did exactly what 
> posters
> should not do in quoting not only my entire message back again to the
> list, but you also included "trash" by way of the end part of the 
> message
> which talks about the G Book list sponsorship.
>
>> you make it sound like there is a bandwidth shortage or
>> somethinglike we're going to be limited to the amount of data
>> transfer available!
>
> It might surprise you to know that on websites there ARE bandwidth
> limitations.  And if you go over them, you have to pay extra if you're
> the webmaster hosting the site.  To ignore bandwidth issues even on a
> mailing list like this is to be truly rude and inconsiderate of others.
> If all of this comes as news to you, you truly must be an internet 
> newbie.
>
> And to others on this list who have seen fit to grumble and growl about
> how this particular subject is horribly off topic, may I politely and
> kindly remind you that this IS an email list, afterall.  And that while
> they're not the main subject of the list - things like long sig files
> that affect the list and everyone's email load aren't beyond the scope 
> of
> this list.
>
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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-16 Thread Gregory Cortelyou 

On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 09:36  PM, B.J. Major wrote:
>
> And to others on this list who have seen fit to grumble and growl about
> how this particular subject is horribly off topic, may I politely and
> kindly remind you that this IS an email list, afterall.  And that while
> they're not the main subject of the list - things like long sig files
> that affect the list and everyone's email load aren't beyond the scope 
> of
> this list.
>
> --bj
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>
I believe we have explored this subject to the farthest depths of a 
hopefully not bottomless pit. It was interesting for about 5 seconds. 
Now it's just boring. But that's just me. I am sure some will feel the 
need to continue. Happy Holidays.


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Re: length of sig files

2002-12-16 Thread B . J . Major 
>the ignorance amazes me.
>
>you sir, need to read a book about how networks work.

No, I don't.  "Networks" are not the same thing as "the internet" and I 
do know the difference.  Notice that I quoted *exactly* what I needed to 
in order to reply to your message.  However, you did exactly what posters 
should not do in quoting not only my entire message back again to the 
list, but you also included "trash" by way of the end part of the message 
which talks about the G Book list sponsorship.

>you make it sound like there is a bandwidth shortage or 
>somethinglike we're going to be limited to the amount of data 
>transfer available!

It might surprise you to know that on websites there ARE bandwidth 
limitations.  And if you go over them, you have to pay extra if you're 
the webmaster hosting the site.  To ignore bandwidth issues even on a 
mailing list like this is to be truly rude and inconsiderate of others.  
If all of this comes as news to you, you truly must be an internet newbie.

And to others on this list who have seen fit to grumble and growl about 
how this particular subject is horribly off topic, may I politely and 
kindly remind you that this IS an email list, afterall.  And that while 
they're not the main subject of the list - things like long sig files 
that affect the list and everyone's email load aren't beyond the scope of 
this list.

--bj
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Re: length of sig files [OT]

2002-12-16 Thread Justin 
the ignorance amazes me.

you sir, need to read a book about how networks work.
if you think that the collective "internet" with their 10k plain text 
signatures is slowing your ability to check stock prices and send 
pictures of the kids to grandma, you're insane.
you make it sound like there is a bandwidth shortage or 
somethinglike we're going to be limited to the amount of data 
transfer available!
*sigh*
there are some great minds on this list, providing useful knowledge, 
(laurent comes to mind) however unfortunately the majority of it anymore 
has become people's incorrect assumptions, incorrect data, and countless 
lines of "i learned this from a guy at work who's brother works for a 
computer store" "help"

"you cant use PC100 ram in PC133 slot"

im outta here. if i need info, ill look for it in the form of internet 
forums and IRC.

Justin.

On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 04:44  PM, B.J. Major wrote:

>> this is the most useless thread i think ive ever seen on this list, and
>> this is the ONLY input i will have on it.
>>
>> do you have the slightest idea how much 10 lines of plain text is?
>> even  a 14.4 modem would process that in less than a second.
>
> Doesn't matter.  Times that with the number of people on the internet 
> and
> maybe you'll wake up when things slow to a crawl.  Then again, maybe you
> won't.
>
> Bandwidth is important.  Bandwidth matters.  If everyone would do their
> part it would help EVERYONE out.  Sig files need to be no longer than 
> six
> lines and if you can't say what you have to say within six full length
> lines, I feel sorry for you.
>
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Re: length of sig files [OT]

2002-12-16 Thread Dan Knight 
B.J. Major writes:

>Sayeth Obi-Wan:
>
>>A person's signature is personal.  As long as it is not profane and less
>>than 10 lines or so, then it is fine.
>
>No, that is wrong.  Go back and restudy, do not pass GO.  Since the early 
>days of the internet, no sig file is supposed to be more than SIX lines 
>of plain text *maximum*.

Here's an idea -- why not read the list netiquette page instead of 
debating in a vacuum? Here's what it says:

Please keep your signature concise. Six lines or less is best.



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Re: length of sig files [OT]

2002-12-16 Thread B . J . Major 
>this is the most useless thread i think ive ever seen on this list, and 
>this is the ONLY input i will have on it.
>
>do you have the slightest idea how much 10 lines of plain text is?
>even  a 14.4 modem would process that in less than a second.

Doesn't matter.  Times that with the number of people on the internet and 
maybe you'll wake up when things slow to a crawl.  Then again, maybe you 
won't.

Bandwidth is important.  Bandwidth matters.  If everyone would do their 
part it would help EVERYONE out.  Sig files need to be no longer than six 
lines and if you can't say what you have to say within six full length 
lines, I feel sorry for you.

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Re: length of sig files [OT]

2002-12-16 Thread Sandy Mitchell 
On 12/16/02 12:29 PM, "Mike Amato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Enough already. Protocol is decided by the webmaster.
> That's why he's the master. It's his decision.


I don't know how I got on this list - can someone tell me how to get off?

Thanks!


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Re: length of sig files [OT]

2002-12-16 Thread Mike Amato 
Enough already. Protocol is decided by the webmaster.
That's why he's the master. It's his decision.
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> From: B.J. Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (G-Books)
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 02 13:54:12 -0500
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (G-Books)
> Subject: Re: length of sig files [OT]
> 
> Sayeth Obi-Wan:
> 
>> A person's signature is personal.  As long as it is not profane and less
>> than 10 lines or so, then it is fine.
> 
> No, that is wrong.  Go back and restudy, do not pass GO.  Since the early
> days of the internet, no sig file is supposed to be more than SIX lines
> of plain text *maximum*.

And on and on.


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Re: length of sig files [OT]

2002-12-15 Thread Justin 
this is the most useless thread i think ive ever seen on this list, and 
this is the ONLY input i will have on it.

do you have the slightest idea how much 10 lines of plain text is?
even  a 14.4 modem would process that in less than a second.

On Sunday, December 15, 2002, at 01:54  PM, B.J. Major wrote:

>  Long sig files take up way too much bandwidth


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Re: length of sig files [OT]

2002-12-15 Thread B . J . Major 
Sayeth Obi-Wan:

>A person's signature is personal.  As long as it is not profane and less
>than 10 lines or so, then it is fine.

No, that is wrong.  Go back and restudy, do not pass GO.  Since the early 
days of the internet, no sig file is supposed to be more than SIX lines 
of plain text *maximum*.  And although six is "less than 10", when you 
post a statement like that, people will assume wrongly that sig files 
including 9 lines are ok.  Long sig files take up way too much bandwidth 
and add considerably to a digest form of a list - especially when you 
have so many list members who continue to quote much more than the reply 
demands, with even the sponsor blurb at the end of the digest repeated 
over and over and over

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