Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Kyle Hansen]

On 6/8/09 10:53 PM, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" 
Broadcast into the ether:

> HMMM,  sounds like a case for agent x86 and his friend Psystar.

You can build a hackintosh for about $300 if you google around...I am not at
all condoning that but...

Kyle Hansen
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Len Gerstel  wrote:

>
> It is officially official. Snow leopard is Intel only
>
> WAAHHH, I want it to run on my Plus.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Hopefully they will keep updates coming for us (10.4 and 5) for a
> little while.
>
> ___


HMMM,  sounds like a case for agent x86 and his friend Psystar.

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Kyle Hansen]

On 6/8/09 11:17 AM, "Stephen Weber"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you wonder why real
> businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does stuff like this.  I mean
> look at Microsoft and how they keep supporting older hardware.

That is not at all true. I work for a couple of LARGE (300+) employees and
they are constantly upgrading their systems.  They keep server version
software longer, but that¹s about it.

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Re: Apple airport cards frequency band(s)

[Mike Baker]

I did find out that the Apple Airport Extreme wireless cards in recent Mac 
computers can run at both frequencies.

--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Dark_Mac  wrote:

> From: Dark_Mac 
> Subject: Re: Apple airport cards frequency band(s)
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 10:32 PM
> 
> Mike,
> Mactracker is you friend.  Based on it ( the
> cards are listed in the device section under Wi-Fi
> Cards/Base Stations) states that both of these devices run
> on the 2.4 GHz bands.
> Regards,Mike
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:54 PM, Mike Baker
> wrote:
> Neither tells me whether the Apple
> Airport Express or Apple Airport Extreme cards inside Mac
> computers run on the 5Ghz frequency band. I know the cards run on the
> 2.4Ghz frequency band and I am aware the latest base
> stations can run at both frequency bands. It's the
> cards in
> Mac computers that I can't find out whether they run
> at the 5Ghz frequency band.
> 
> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Al Poulin 
> wrote:
> 
> From: Al Poulin 
> Subject: Re: Apple airport cards frequency band(s)
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 9:05 PM
> 
> 
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:14 PM, g3-5-list group
> wrote:
> ==
> 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Mon, Jun 8 2009 1:03 pm 
> From: psufa...@yahoo.com 
> 
> 
> I have the older Airport Express Base station (802.1b) I am
> thinking of buying a dual band Airport Extreme Base Station.
> It transmit on the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz frequency bands. I have
> been unable to find any info on whether an Airport or
> Airport Extreme wireless card can operate on the 5Ghz
> frequency band. I know they can operate on the 2.4Ghz
> frequency band. If they can't operate on the 5Ghz
> frequency band, then it makes little sense to get the dual
> band Airport Extreme Base Station and I should get the
> regular Airport Extreme Base Station or Airport Express Base
> Station, which both can run at 802.1n. Any thoughts or
> answers?
> Look here for a 
> start:http://www.macworld.com/article/140685/2009/05/wifi_spectrumbands.html
> And look at the Apple technical specs for both
> the old and new base stations.  Channels 1 to 11 are in the
> 2.4GHz band.  Channels 36 to 48 are in the 5GHz
> band.
> Al Poulin
>  
>  
>   
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: Apple airport cards frequency band(s)

[Dark_Mac]

Mike,

Mactracker is you friend.  Based on it ( the cards are listed in the  
device section under Wi-Fi Cards/Base Stations) states that both of  
these devices run on the 2.4 GHz bands.

Regards,
Mike

On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:54 PM, Mike Baker wrote:

> Neither tells me whether the Apple Airport Express or Apple Airport  
> Extreme cards inside Mac computers run on the 5Ghz frequency band.  
> I know the cards run on the 2.4Ghz frequency band and I am aware  
> the latest base stations can run at both frequency bands. It's the  
> cards in Mac computers that I can't find out whether they run at  
> the 5Ghz frequency band.
>
> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Al Poulin  wrote:
>
> From: Al Poulin 
> Subject: Re: Apple airport cards frequency band(s)
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 9:05 PM
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:14 PM, g3-5-list group wrote:
>
>> == 1 of 1 ==
>> Date: Mon, Jun 8 2009 1:03 pm
>> From: psufa...@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> I have the older Airport Express Base station (802.1b) I am  
>> thinking of buying a dual band Airport Extreme Base Station. It  
>> transmit on the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz frequency bands. I have been  
>> unable to find any info on whether an Airport or Airport Extreme  
>> wireless card can operate on the 5Ghz frequency band. I know they  
>> can operate on the 2.4Ghz frequency band. If they can't operate on  
>> the 5Ghz frequency band, then it makes little sense to get the  
>> dual band Airport Extreme Base Station and I should get the  
>> regular Airport Extreme Base Station or Airport Express Base  
>> Station, which both can run at 802.1n. Any thoughts or answers?
>
> Look here for a start:
> http://www.macworld.com/article/140685/2009/05/wifi_spectrumbands.html
>
> And look at the Apple technical specs for both the old and new base  
> stations.  Channels 1 to 11 are in the 2.4GHz band.  Channels 36 to  
> 48 are in the 5GHz band.
>
> Al Poulin
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: Apple airport cards frequency band(s)

[Mike Baker]

Neither tells me whether the Apple Airport Express or Apple Airport Extreme 
cards inside Mac computers run on the 5Ghz frequency band. I know the cards run 
on the 2.4Ghz frequency band and I am aware the latest base stations can run at 
both frequency bands. It's the cards in Mac computers that I can't find out 
whether they run at the 5Ghz frequency band.

--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Al Poulin  wrote:

From: Al Poulin 
Subject: Re: Apple airport cards frequency band(s)
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 9:05 PM


On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:14 PM, g3-5-list group wrote:
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 8 2009 1:03 pm 
From: psufa...@yahoo.com 


I have the older Airport Express Base station (802.1b) I am thinking of buying 
a dual band Airport Extreme Base Station. It transmit on the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz 
frequency bands. I have been unable to find any info on whether an Airport or 
Airport Extreme wireless card can operate on the 5Ghz frequency band. I know 
they can operate on the 2.4Ghz frequency band. If they can't operate on the 
5Ghz frequency band, then it makes little sense to get the dual band Airport 
Extreme Base Station and I should get the regular Airport Extreme Base Station 
or Airport Express Base Station, which both can run at 802.1n. Any thoughts or 
answers?
Look here for a 
start:http://www.macworld.com/article/140685/2009/05/wifi_spectrumbands.html
And look at the Apple technical specs for both the old and new base stations.  
Channels 1 to 11 are in the 2.4GHz band.  Channels 36 to 48 are in the 5GHz 
band.
Al Poulin







  
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Re: [G3-5]Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[MaGioZal]

On 6/8/09 9:45 PM, Vic at  wrote:

>> W! I can't run System 7 on my Intel iMac! Damn Apple!
> 
> Sure you can -- try Basilisk...


Well, I've just got the brand-new Safari 4 running on my old Beige G3 Mac.
I felt a little less orphan...;-D
 




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Re: Apple airport cards frequency band(s)

[Al Poulin]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:14 PM, g3-5-list group wrote:

> == 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Mon, Jun 8 2009 1:03 pm
> From: psufa...@yahoo.com
>
>
> I have the older Airport Express Base station (802.1b) I am thinking  
> of buying a dual band Airport Extreme Base Station. It transmit on  
> the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz frequency bands. I have been unable to find any  
> info on whether an Airport or Airport Extreme wireless card can  
> operate on the 5Ghz frequency band. I know they can operate on the  
> 2.4Ghz frequency band. If they can't operate on the 5Ghz frequency  
> band, then it makes little sense to get the dual band Airport  
> Extreme Base Station and I should get the regular Airport Extreme  
> Base Station or Airport Express Base Station, which both can run at  
> 802.1n. Any thoughts or answers?

Look here for a start:
http://www.macworld.com/article/140685/2009/05/wifi_spectrumbands.html

And look at the Apple technical specs for both the old and new base  
stations.  Channels 1 to 11 are in the 2.4GHz band.  Channels 36 to 48  
are in the 5GHz band.

Al Poulin
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Vic]

> W! I can't run System 7 on my Intel iMac! Damn Apple!

Sure you can -- try Basilisk...

V Mabus
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Stephen Conrad]

On 6/8/09, Arnel Tuazon  wrote:
>
> On a side note, what cat will be after Snow Leopard and what happens once
> Apple starts using Lion do they turn towards canines?   Oooh look the new OS
> XI Jack Russell or Rotweiler or Huskey.  Just a thought.

Believe me, the cat family is huge so no worries about running out of
cats to use for names.

Felidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The most familiar felid is the Domestic Cat, which first became associated with
  humans about 1 years ago, but the family includes all other wild cats ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felidae - 199k

The Cat Family

Facts and statistics on felines, from lions to the domestic cat.
http://farheen_i.tripod.com/Cat.html

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Steve R]

At 3:30 PM -0700 6/8/09, Bruce Johnson posted:
>  On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:55 PM, insightinmind wrote:
>
>>
>>  Sounds like someone had their oatmeal cookies today ...
>>  (I'll stop after this one ... I think)
>
>
>
>  I did, as a matter of fact...made a batch of oatmeal+raisin+chocolate
>  chip+pecans yesterday. Yummy!
>


Didn't your mommy ever tell you that you're supposed to SHARE??

Steve R
who almost wrote System 6 but thought that was a bit unbelievable.

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Stephen Weber]

On the laptop that I had Vista on it took only around 10 seconds to shutdown
from the time I pressed the shutdown button.

Stephen

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM, John Musbach  wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Stephen Weber
> wrote:
> > If you turn off all the glitter (which in a work place environment would
> > have been done any way) it should run pretty good.  Also I'm pretty sure
> > Windows 7 will run great on a 2004 office basic computer.  I'm running
> > Windows 7 RC right now and I've noticed a huge speed increment over Vista
> > SP1.
>
> Vista is crap... Is it just me or does your vista machine take forever
> to shutdown while appearing to do nothing?
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> John Musbach
>
> >
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:55 PM, insightinmind wrote:

>
> Sounds like someone had their oatmeal cookies today ...
> (I'll stop after this one ... I think)



I did, as a matter of fact...made a batch of oatmeal+raisin+chocolate  
chip+pecans yesterday. Yummy!

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Mark]

Alexander MacLeod wrote:
>
>
> Think about all the Windows users out there that run XP
> (released in 2001) because Vista is so bad.
I have one of those stat analysis thingies on a website.
XP beats Mac a little over 2 to 1
Mac beats Vista a little over 2 to 1
amazing
well, to me

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Alexander MacLeod]

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:30 PM, James E. Therrault
 wrote:

> Uh, for Apple to throw high end G5 (including the quads) under the bus
> in less than three years is just plain dumb..  But yet, Apple has done
> that time after time.

But what is wrong with Leopard? It's a fine OS, and less than two
years old. Think about all the Windows users out there that run XP
(released in 2001) because Vista is so bad. I run Leopard on a maxed
out DP G5 2ghz machine at work, and it's great, and will continue to
be great in my estimation.

My new Mac Pro is really going to love Snow Leopard. I can't wait, and
a very reasonable upgrade price, too.

> Whenever I move up to Intel, it will most likely be some sort of hackintosh.

Suit yourself. I'd rather pay a little more for the genuine article.
Just my $.02...

Alex

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[insightinmind]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Arnel Tuazon wrote:
>
>>>
>>> And when Windows 7 comes out officially Apple will update their boot
>>> camp install so that you can indeed run Windows 7 on it . I know  
>>> more
>>> than one person who bought a Mac pro *because* it's such a stable,
>>> good-performing Windows workstation. (This for doing Autocad and
>>> Rhino
>>> 3D design stuff.)
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I think Steve was talking about the old Apple
>> System 7.  I
>> don't see why Windows 7 wouldn't run on an Intel Mac.
>
>
> But I can run System 7 on my Intel iMac too!  sheepshaver.cebix.net/
>> Supports system 7.5.2-9.0.4 :-)
>
> Come on...toss me a hard one! :-P
>
> I could probably install PearPC in my XP virtual Machine to run an
> Apple II emulator if I really wanted to :-)
>


Sounds like someone had their oatmeal cookies today ...
(I'll stop after this one ... I think)

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Arnel Tuazon wrote:

>>
>> And when Windows 7 comes out officially Apple will update their boot
>> camp install so that you can indeed run Windows 7 on it . I know more
>> than one person who bought a Mac pro *because* it's such a stable,
>> good-performing Windows workstation. (This for doing Autocad and  
>> Rhino
>> 3D design stuff.)
>
> I'm not sure, but I think Steve was talking about the old Apple  
> System 7.  I
> don't see why Windows 7 wouldn't run on an Intel Mac.


But I can run System 7 on my Intel iMac too!  Supports system 7.5.2-9.0.4 :-)

Come on...toss me a hard one! :-P

I could probably install PearPC in my XP virtual Machine to run an  
Apple II emulator if I really wanted to :-)

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Josh Keady]

Um, I think by "System 7", he was referring to the REAL System 7...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_System_7

And as for the whole compatibility thing, Apple announced Intel-only
way back when they announced Snow Leopard.  It's not a surprise.  I
actually just finally upgraded my MDD dual 867 to a first-gen dual 2.0
GHz G5 (like, last week) and it's very pleasantly speedy.  I'm still
going to get an Intel MBP, however, because I want to do iPhone dev.

You've got to understand this about what's going on at Apple: all of
their machines have been Intel-only for a couple of years and they are
doing major code updates to their operating system.  It's SO much work
to do major updates on two completely different architectures (ie PPC
and Intel), it just doesn't make any sense for them to continue
supporting the PPC stuff.  Keep in mind, I'm usually four or five
years behind the curve, and I'd love to run the latest and greatest on
my G5, but I can completely understand why Apple would drop support
for them aside from security maintenance and bug fixes.

Josh

On Jun 8, 2:22 pm, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Steve R wrote:
>
> > W! I can't run System 7 on my Intel iMac! Damn Apple!
>
> Whaa?  hallucination> I can do that!
>
> And when Windows 7 comes out officially Apple will update their boot  
> camp install so that you can indeed run Windows 7 on it . I know more  
> than one person who bought a Mac pro *because* it's such a stable,  
> good-performing Windows workstation. (This for doing Autocad and Rhino  
> 3D design stuff.)
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Arnel Tuazon]

On 08/06/09 5:22 PM, "Bruce Johnson"  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Steve R wrote:
> 
>> W! I can't run System 7 on my Intel iMac! Damn Apple!
> 
> 
> 
> Whaa?  hallucination> I can do that!
> 
> 
> And when Windows 7 comes out officially Apple will update their boot
> camp install so that you can indeed run Windows 7 on it . I know more
> than one person who bought a Mac pro *because* it's such a stable,
> good-performing Windows workstation. (This for doing Autocad and Rhino
> 3D design stuff.)

I'm not sure, but I think Steve was talking about the old Apple System 7.  I
don't see why Windows 7 wouldn't run on an Intel Mac.

I don't think this Snow Leopard will be much of a change over Leopard.  As
others have mentioned it simply is a way for Apple to cut costs and maximize
the code for one architecture.  I'm in the sad boat of G5 owners (2.3GHz
dual core) who are in the middle of the Apple ocean reaching for that oar,
but watching it drift away... oh well I guess it's time to get a mini!

On a side note, what cat will be after Snow Leopard and what happens once
Apple starts using Lion do they turn towards canines?   Oooh look the new OS
XI Jack Russell or Rotweiler or Huskey.  Just a thought.



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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[insightinmind]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Steve R wrote:
>
>> W! I can't run System 7 on my Intel iMac! Damn Apple!
>
>
>
> Whaa?  hallucination> I can do that!

I think it was sarcasm ... and OS 7 ...

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[James E. Therrault]

Alexander MacLeod wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Stephen Weber wrote:
> 
> 
>>Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you wonder why
>>real businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does stuff like this.
> 
> 
> And how long did you expect them to keep supporting the PPC
> architecture, forever? And it's not like Snow Leopard is substantively
> different than "regular" Leopard, it's just optimized for Intel
> hardware. Personally, I'm looking forward to a new OS without all that
> extra PPC code, and I still have some PPC Macs. I'll just keep running
> 10.5 on them.
> 



Uh, for Apple to throw high end G5 (including the quads) under the bus 
in less than three years is just plain dumb..  But yet, Apple has done 
that time after time.

Whenever I move up to Intel, it will most likely be some sort of hackintosh.

Bah!

JT

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Steve R wrote:

> W! I can't run System 7 on my Intel iMac! Damn Apple!



Whaa?  I can do that!


And when Windows 7 comes out officially Apple will update their boot  
camp install so that you can indeed run Windows 7 on it . I know more  
than one person who bought a Mac pro *because* it's such a stable,  
good-performing Windows workstation. (This for doing Autocad and Rhino  
3D design stuff.)

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Tim Gochnour]

LMAO!

Thanks for the laugh.  Sarcasm usually works to cheer me up

Thanks again!

Tim




On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Stephen Weber wrote:

> Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you  
> wonder why real businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does  
> stuff like this.  I mean look at Microsoft and how they keep  
> supporting older hardware.
>
> From,
> Stephen
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Len Gerstel   
> wrote:
>
> It is officially official. Snow leopard is Intel only
>
> WAAHHH, I want it to run on my Plus.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Hopefully they will keep updates coming for us (10.4 and 5) for a
> little while.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Steve R]

At 1:53 PM -0400 6/8/09, Len Gerstel posted:
>  It is officially official. Snow leopard is Intel only
>
>  WAAHHH, I want it to run on my Plus.
>

W! I can't run System 7 on my Intel iMac! Damn Apple!

Get over it!

Steve R


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Apple airport cards frequency band(s)

[psufan79]

I have the older Airport Express Base station (802.1b) I am thinking of buying 
a dual band Airport Extreme Base Station. It transmit on the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz 
frequency bands. I have been unable to find any info on whether an Airport or 
Airport Extreme wireless card can operate on the 5Ghz frequency band. I know 
they can operate on the 2.4Ghz frequency band. If they can't operate on the 
5Ghz frequency band, then it makes little sense to get the dual band Airport 
Extreme Base Station and I should get the regular Airport Extreme Base Station 
or Airport Express Base Station, which both can run at 802.1n. Any thoughts or 
answers?


  
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[dc]

You should download Monolingual, go to the "Architectures" tab and
remove PPC code. You can also remove languages you don't need. I did
that for my Intel-based "Mac" and it trimmed off over 2 GB, speeding
things up a bit.

On Jun 8, 1:43 pm, Alexander MacLeod  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Stephen Weber wrote:
> And it's not like Snow Leopard is substantively
> different than "regular" Leopard, it's just optimized for Intel
> hardware. Personally, I'm looking forward to a new OS without all that
> extra PPC code
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[John Musbach]

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Stephen Weber wrote:
> If you turn off all the glitter (which in a work place environment would
> have been done any way) it should run pretty good.  Also I'm pretty sure
> Windows 7 will run great on a 2004 office basic computer.  I'm running
> Windows 7 RC right now and I've noticed a huge speed increment over Vista
> SP1.

Vista is crap... Is it just me or does your vista machine take forever
to shutdown while appearing to do nothing?



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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Stephen Weber]

If you turn off all the glitter (which in a work place environment would
have been done any way) it should run pretty good.  Also I'm pretty sure
Windows 7 will run great on a 2004 office basic computer.  I'm running
Windows 7 RC right now and I've noticed a huge speed increment over Vista
SP1.

Stephen

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Ted Treen  wrote:

>
> Stephen Weber wrote:
> > Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you wonder
> > why real businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does stuff
> > like this.  I mean look at Microsoft and how they keep supporting
> > older hardware.
> >
> > From,
> > Stephen
>
> Oh come on - you mean just like Vista ran quite happily on an average
> 2004 Office basic Windows PC?
>
> Ted
>
> >
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Ted Treen]

Stephen Weber wrote:
> Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you wonder 
> why real businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does stuff 
> like this.  I mean look at Microsoft and how they keep supporting 
> older hardware.
>
> From,
> Stephen

Oh come on - you mean just like Vista ran quite happily on an average 
2004 Office basic Windows PC?

Ted

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[John Musbach]

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Stephen Weber wrote:
> Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you wonder why
> real businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does stuff like this.  I
> mean look at Microsoft and how they keep supporting older hardware.

But you also gotta realize that unlike Microsoft, Apple's source code
is not bloated with backwards compatibility hacks like Windows is. If
you look at the leaked NT source code you can see such outrageous
stuff like bits of windows 95 code being hacked on top for backwards
compatibility. This is actually Microsoft's ultimate fall because
these backwards compatibility hacks are catching up with them and
preventing decent security and stability. Additionally, because
Microsoft business consumers now expect this constant backwards
compatibility they are extremely constrained as to how they can revamp
the kernel. It is not a good situation and I applaud Apple for not
sticking hack on top of hack on their software to ensure constant
backwards compatibility.



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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Iain Thornton]

Hi

Not sure about you lot, but most of us faced all this a while ago!

And compatibility has always been a marketing joke. Just because something is 
listed as compatible, it's not necessarily useful for the job. Now it just 
means that people can stop kidding I guess. Even if PPC was included, a beige 
G3 would have no use, even though some people seem to think it would. 

I do sympathise with anyone who owns a G5 however. This should never happen to 
a machine still so capable. And there are plenty of capable G4s so perhaps 
owners of those too

Still, good luck with the future. I guess this group is going to have to avoid 
dealing with current OS problems

regards

Iain Thornton


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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[insightinmind]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:43 PM, insightinmind wrote:

> I love my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under Leopard 10.5.7
> I will like my new Digital Audio dual 533 (entering the FedEx  
> system, almost) under Tiger 10.4.11
> I like my Yikes! oc/d to 450 under Tiger 10.4.11

I forgot:
I liked my PPC 8500s under Panther and Tiger
I liked my 9500 (well the idea) under Panther (but not as much as the  
8500s)

> I liked my Performa 
> I liked my Mac Plus

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Alexander MacLeod]

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Stephen Weber wrote:

> Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you wonder why
> real businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does stuff like this.

And how long did you expect them to keep supporting the PPC
architecture, forever? And it's not like Snow Leopard is substantively
different than "regular" Leopard, it's just optimized for Intel
hardware. Personally, I'm looking forward to a new OS without all that
extra PPC code, and I still have some PPC Macs. I'll just keep running
10.5 on them.

> I mean look at Microsoft and how they keep supporting older hardware.

You mean, like Vista and the new formats in Office? Please.

Alex

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Sam Macomber]

Glad i told my uncle to just buy a new mini rather than fix his G4  
mini. :)

Was planning on upgrading our home computer in a year or so any  
how...as it is 10.5 and my QS G4 (with a 1.8GHz upgrade) is just  
fine for surfing the web, checking my email, serving A/V to my AppleTV  
and using Quicken(which is in need of an update bad..   thinking  
that'll be intel only when it happens so I'll just upgrade than)

-sam



> me either i have my mdd  very happy with it sorry apple i dont want  
> nothing to do with x86
> when you stop updateing 10.5 there will allways be a ppc linux distro
>
> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Al boone  wrote:
>
> From: Al boone 
> Subject: Re: It is official, we are orphans.
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 2:30 PM
>
> I just got my low end G 5, I am NOT moving up to an intel Mac just  
> to get the latest and greatest. I am not.
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Stephen Weber  
>  wrote:
> Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you  
> wonder why real businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does  
> stuff like this.  I mean look at Microsoft and how they keep  
> supporting older hardware.
>
> From,
> Stephen
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Len Gerstel   
> wrote:
>
> It is officially official. Snow leopard is Intel only
>
> WAAHHH, I want it to run on my Plus.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Hopefully they will keep updates coming for us (10.4 and 5) for a
> little while.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[insightinmind]

I love my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under Leopard 10.5.7
I will like my new Digital Audio dual 533 (entering the FedEx system,  
almost) under Tiger 10.4.11
I like my Yikes! oc/d to 450 under Tiger 10.4.11
I liked my Performa 
I liked my Mac Plus

What's an Intel ...

Orphans?

We're in good company ...

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[roger deghetto]

me either i have my mdd  very happy with it sorry apple i dont want nothing to 
do with x86when you stop updateing 10.5 there will allways be a ppc linux distro

--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Al boone  wrote:

From: Al boone 
Subject: Re: It is official, we are orphans.
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 2:30 PM

I just got my low end G 5, I am NOT moving up to an intel Mac just to get the 
latest and greatest. I am not.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Stephen Weber  wrote:

Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you wonder why real 
businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does stuff like this.  I mean 
look at Microsoft and how they keep supporting older hardware.



From,
Stephen   

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Len Gerstel  wrote:




It is officially official. Snow leopard is Intel only



WAAHHH, I want it to run on my Plus.



Sorry about that.



Hopefully they will keep updates coming for us (10.4 and 5) for a

little while.



Len























  
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Al boone]

I just got my low end G 5, I am NOT moving up to an intel Mac just to get
the latest and greatest. I am not.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Stephen Weber  wrote:

> Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you wonder why
> real businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does stuff like this.  I
> mean look at Microsoft and how they keep supporting older hardware.
>
> From,
> Stephen
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Len Gerstel  wrote:
>
>>
>> It is officially official. Snow leopard is Intel only
>>
>> WAAHHH, I want it to run on my Plus.
>>
>> Sorry about that.
>>
>> Hopefully they will keep updates coming for us (10.4 and 5) for a
>> little while.
>>
>> Len
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Stephen Weber]

Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you wonder why
real businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does stuff like this.  I
mean look at Microsoft and how they keep supporting older hardware.

From,
Stephen

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Len Gerstel  wrote:

>
> It is officially official. Snow leopard is Intel only
>
> WAAHHH, I want it to run on my Plus.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Hopefully they will keep updates coming for us (10.4 and 5) for a
> little while.
>
> Len
>
>
> >
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It is official, we are orphans.

[Len Gerstel]

It is officially official. Snow leopard is Intel only

WAAHHH, I want it to run on my Plus.

Sorry about that.

Hopefully they will keep updates coming for us (10.4 and 5) for a  
little while.

Len


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browser question

[Joan Duncan]

I use SeaMonkey as my browser and for some reason it has drastically 
slowed down. I tried rebuilding the desktop with Disk Warrior 3.o.3 
which had no effect. Forgive me for my lapse but would it help to 
download SM again? Do I just throw the other one away once I have 
downloaded the new one? I forget the sequence of things and I don't want 
to lose my bookmarks or emails.

thanks,
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Re: 10.5.7

[George R. Hozendorf]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:31 PM, PeterH wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:
>
>>> FWIW ... manually dowloading the 10.5.7 "combo" update directly from
>>> Apple's site worked perfectly on every "Mack" or Hack which I have.
>>>
>>> Whereas, automatically downloading the model-specific update,  
>>> through
>>> "Software Update ...", failed in EVERY case, "Mack" as well as Hack.
>>
>> That's what I am getting at.
>
>
> Let's say you have a couple of "Macks" in your shop.
>
> And, let's say you also have a couple of Hacks in your shop, and all
> of them are using the "vanilla" MacOS X kernel and the hidden
> partition for your EFI emulator and Boot132 for your boot loader.
>
> And, let's say you have a 1 GB thumb drive with the file
> "MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg" as a "flat" file on that thumb drive, plus
> you also have the audio packages which are needed for each Hack (none
> are needed for a "Mack", of course).
>
> Then, simply run "MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg" against each "Mack" and/
> or run "MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg" against each Hack PLUS run the
> applicable audio package against each Hack, and
>
> Every "Mack" and Hack will be brought up to 10.5.7 and you will loose
> no functions PLUS you will gain all functions provided by 10.5.7.
>
>
> P.S. Some Netbooks use a different address for their GMA950, in which
> case you may have to edit the two GMA950 kexts. If you successfully
> got your Netbook Hack to 10.5.6, then you'll know which kexts those  
> are.
>
>
> The site referenced below contains a number of audio packages which
> have been extensively tested, and are known to work.
>
> "Guides" for building Hacks can also be found there, too.
>
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a <+> A home for the Hackintosh
> community.
>
> To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a
> +subscr...@googlegroups.com
>
> "The site referenced below.."  Don't see it.
>
>
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Re: 10.5.7

[insightinmind]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:36 AM, George R. Hozendorf wrote:
>
> Bill, please be so kind as to publish your 9 steps again.  In
> switching computers I deleted it.
>
> Thanks,
> George
>>>
>


Log onto the G3-G5 Google site ... It should be saved earlier in this  
thread, but on the G3-G5 Google site:
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/ 
dce5dc5470e66063/6365129f0cf421ab#

... let's see, it starts out as:

To try and resolve my Upgrade to 10.5.7 issues, I have since done
this, and am currently claiming success: ...

and is my "Jun 7" entry in this thread.

Its basically using applejack's 5 step auto pilot clean-up, in Single  
User Mode, and OnyX's resetting of Spotlight Index (Spotlight part  
may not be necessary, but that is what I did along the way), after  
you're back up running.

Here's applejack's link:
http://applejack.sourceforge.net/

Here is an article which I found particularly helpful a while ago:
12-Step Program to Isolate Freezes and/or Kernel Panics

which I think you can link to via (you may need to join the forum  
first):
http://macsimumnews.com/macosgforums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=800

Hope this helps.

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Re: 10.5.7

[Fabian Fang]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:36 AM, George R. Hozendorf wrote:

> On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:32 PM, insightinmind wrote:
>
>> 10.5.7 seems to be running ok now with my 9 Steps outlined
>> earlier ... sort of modeled after that 12-Steps How to Debug kp's in
>> OS X thing someone shared awhile back ...

> Bill, please be so kind as to publish your 9 steps again.  In
> switching computers I deleted it.


Archived messages for this list are readily available and easily  
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Re: 10.5.7

[George R. Hozendorf]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:32 PM, insightinmind wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 7, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:
>
>>
>> On 6/7/09 7:48 AM, "insightinmind" 
>> Broadcast into
>> the ether:
>>
>>> That's actually what I did ... used the 10.5.7 Combo updater on my
>>> working 10.5.6 OS X.
>>
>> Did you download it from Apple's site or did you use the software
>> update in
>> your apple menu?
>
>
> Actually, my Software Update was broken in 10.5.6 ... just spun its
> Aqua Bar ... so (as was suggested by others):
> http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/
> macosx1057comboupdate.html
>
> Software Update's working again in 10.5.7 ... just updated iTunes,
> Quicktime, Airport, and iLife via same.
>
> 10.5.7 seems to be running ok now with my 9 Steps outlined
> earlier ... sort of modeled after that 12-Steps How to Debug kp's in
> OS X thing someone shared awhile back ... just specific to my setup
> using a 3rd party M-Audio v2.0.8: driver/apps/Unix Exec code "helper"
> files/etc.
>
> Bill Connelly
> artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio
> myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio

Bill, please be so kind as to publish your 9 steps again.  In  
switching computers I deleted it.

Thanks,
George
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: ati radeon 9800 pro question

[mark ray]

I have seen others online, but not all of them are original Mac cards,  
some have been flashed from PC to work on mac. I have used some of the  
flashed cards and generally they work fine. Others have had issues (no  
sleep, etc).


mr

On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:52 AM, roger deghetto wrote:

> ok i have a question about this card i know there was a 4x/8x 9800  
> pro with dvdi/vga ports
> 128mb ram a g5 only card that had 256mb ram and dvi/adc ports was  
> there any other
> 9800 pros that only worked in a g5? or is it just the one with the  
> adc port? and if their was more g5 only cards besides the one with  
> the adc port how do you tell its the g5 only?
>
> thanks
>   roger
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ati radeon 9800 pro question

[roger deghetto]

ok i have a question about this card i know there was a 4x/8x 9800 pro with 
dvdi/vga ports128mb ram a g5 only card that had 256mb ram and dvi/adc ports was 
there any other9800 pros that only worked in a g5? or is it just the one with 
the adc port? and if their was more g5 only cards besides the one with the adc 
port how do you tell its the g5 only?
thanks  roger


  
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Re: Wireless USB dongle software installer won't open

[Tom]

Stephen, the dongle does need USB 2, according to the tech description
of it, but like you I added a PCI card that provides it.

By the way, here's the URL to this gadget; I notice that the one I
provided above was wrong: 

Anyway, Kris led me to the solution, (thanks Kris!) and now the
wireless dongle is working and the Mac is connected to the internet
through it.

Kris, when you said "Can you launch Installer independently of the
package by double- clicking the Installer.app icon in the Utilities
folder?" I went to the Utilities folder to try that, but I could not
find the Installer app. anywhere. It just wasn't in there.

So, I went back to my wife's G4 MDD and looked in her utilities
folder, and she had an Installer there. So, I copied the Installer
from her Utilities folder onto a flash drive, carried the flash drive
over to the other G4--the Quicksilver--and copied the Installer into
the Quicksilver's Utilities folder.

Then the software installer .pkg on the NewerTech CD opened up and
installed just fine, and the dongle came to life and the Quicksilver
had a connection to the Internet. Success!

My only  question is (not that it really matters now): just how did
the Installer in the Quicksilver's Utilities folder get lost? Where
did it go, and how come it wasn't there? Both these Macs are running
10.4 (hers is 10.4.9 and the Quicksilver is 10.4.11). I've never
messed with anything inside the Utilities folder, so how could it just
vanish like that?

Oh well, all's well that ends well I guess, and thanks for the help!

Tom


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