Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:40:32 -0500, Bill Connelly wrote: Did someone ask if you can boot from the OS 9 CD? No, i said that i couldn't. The machine booted from the CD before and my two iMacs and the G3 AIO can boot from it. I'll have to mess with this more tomorrow after school... -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
Did someone ask if you can boot from the OS 9 CD? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:36:05 -0500, Bill Connelly wrote: On Apr 12, 2010, at 12:24 AM, Frank J. R. Hanstick wrote: Hello, You changed drives? I would check the connectors on the drive and motherboard to see if they are properly seated. I had the same problem when one of the connectors was improperly seated. Are the drives jumpered properly? Yeah, double checked that. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
On Apr 12, 2010, at 12:24 AM, Frank J. R. Hanstick wrote: Hello, You changed drives? I would check the connectors on the drive and motherboard to see if they are properly seated. I had the same problem when one of the connectors was improperly seated. Are the drives jumpered properly? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
Hello, You changed drives? I would check the connectors on the drive and motherboard to see if they are properly seated. I had the same problem when one of the connectors was improperly seated. On Apr 11, 2010, at 7:29 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: If not I would disconnect every cable and remove the PRAM battery along with the memory. Wait 30 mins then hold down the CUDA switch for 15 seconds then reinstall 1 stick of ram and the battery and 1 hard drive in the forward bay and go from there. Forward bay? i don't think where the drive is installed matters, theres only one cable in there... Also already tried the reset procedure D: Sorry I got kinda confused with a G4 MDD Maybe the moving the RAM around will help you can boot 9 with 128. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. Frank J. R. Hanstick tro...@comcast.net -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
If not I would disconnect every cable and remove the PRAM battery along with the memory. Wait 30 mins then hold down the CUDA switch for 15 seconds then reinstall 1 stick of ram and the battery and 1 hard drive in the forward bay and go from there. Forward bay? i don't think where the drive is installed matters, theres only one cable in there... Also already tried the reset procedure D: Sorry I got kinda confused with a G4 MDD Maybe the moving the RAM around will help you can boot 9 with 128. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
On Apr 11, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: My PowerMac here is going crazy. First thing that happened was i couldn't boot into OS9, so i tried booting the OS9 CD i have (that i installed with) and it wouldn't boot. Then it started being really unstable in OSX (kernelpanics, but i couldn't find a kext in the crash log) so I tried reinstalling OSX, but it crashed during the install. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Sounds like bad RAM to me. Any time you've got multiple things involved, in this case both the HD and the optical drive, along with both OS 9 & OS X, it sounds like bad RAM. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:13:30 -0500, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: Can you boot the machine with TDM or an external drive? Nope, the B&W G3s cant do TDM. If not I would disconnect every cable and remove the PRAM battery along with the memory. Wait 30 mins then hold down the CUDA switch for 15 seconds then reinstall 1 stick of ram and the battery and 1 hard drive in the forward bay and go from there. Forward bay? i don't think where the drive is installed matters, theres only one cable in there... Also already tried the reset procedure D: JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 800 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: It isn't the hard drive because it was in my PC about two weeks ago and chugging along just fine (i even remember checking the SMART status when it was in there just before i swapped it..) Both devices are on different cables and i have them plugged into the internal controller. I will try with another optical drive and hard drive cable and see if that solves anything... Can you boot the machine with TDM or an external drive? If not I would disconnect every cable and remove the PRAM battery along with the memory. Wait 30 mins then hold down the CUDA switch for 15 seconds then reinstall 1 stick of ram and the battery and 1 hard drive in the forward bay and go from there. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:47:16 -0500, Bill Connelly wrote: How old is your PRAM battery? Brand new -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
It isn't the hard drive because it was in my PC about two weeks ago and chugging along just fine (i even remember checking the SMART status when it was in there just before i swapped it..) Both devices are on different cables and i have them plugged into the internal controller. I will try with another optical drive and hard drive cable and see if that solves anything... On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:46:23 -0500, Albert Carter wrote: Just off the top of my head sounds like either a problem with your optical drive, harddrive, or both. Could be a bad cable (if both devices are on the same cable) or a controller card issue. Albert Carter Reston, VA 20194 From: Kasey Smith To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" Sent: Sun, April 11, 2010 7:42:27 PM Subject: Tempermental PowerMac G3 My PowerMac here is going crazy. First thing that happened was i couldn't boot into OS9, so i tried booting the OS9 CD i have (that i installed with) and it wouldn't boot. Then it started being really unstable in OSX (kernelpanics, but i couldn't find a kext in the crash log) so I tried reinstalling OSX, but it crashed during the install. Any help would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
On Apr 11, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: My PowerMac here is going crazy. First thing that happened was i couldn't boot into OS9, so i tried booting the OS9 CD i have (that i installed with) and it wouldn't boot. Then it started being really unstable in OSX (kernelpanics, but i couldn't find a kext in the crash log) so I tried reinstalling OSX, but it crashed during the install. Any help would be greatly appreciated! How old is your PRAM battery? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
Just off the top of my head sounds like either a problem with your optical drive, harddrive, or both. Could be a bad cable (if both devices are on the same cable) or a controller card issue. Albert Carter Reston, VA 20194 From: Kasey Smith To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" Sent: Sun, April 11, 2010 7:42:27 PM Subject: Tempermental PowerMac G3 My PowerMac here is going crazy. First thing that happened was i couldn't boot into OS9, so i tried booting the OS9 CD i have (that i installed with) and it wouldn't boot. Then it started being really unstable in OSX (kernelpanics, but i couldn't find a kext in the crash log) so I tried reinstalling OSX, but it crashed during the install. Any help would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Tempermental PowerMac G3
My PowerMac here is going crazy. First thing that happened was i couldn't boot into OS9, so i tried booting the OS9 CD i have (that i installed with) and it wouldn't boot. Then it started being really unstable in OSX (kernelpanics, but i couldn't find a kext in the crash log) so I tried reinstalling OSX, but it crashed during the install. Any help would be greatly appreciated! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: B&W G3 Rev 1: Main HD in "Zip slot"?
-- Original message --
Subject: B&W G3 Rev 1: Main HD in "Zip slot"?
Date:Sonntag 11 April 2010N
From:Ruffin
To: "G-Group"
> I've got a Rev 1 B&W I received for a song, and I'm a little confused
> about its hard drive controller issues. It seems, after some Googling
> around here and xlr8yourmac, like the slave on the fast controller is
> always bad news, and that occasionally even the single HD on that
> controller can become corrupted.
Correct. I've got the same Rev 1 B&W (350 MHz): the IDE chipset CMD646 has a
bug that corrupts data when using the UDMA transfer mode. Most modern IDE hard
drives use this mode, so there you go. If you have a realy old hard disk drive
you may be lucky that it still uses the older and slower PIO mode, which is
not buggy with this chipset.
Also the second disk (slave) may not work at all or corrupt the fist disk as
well. Anyway, it is always safer to use only one disk with this controller.
> Is there anything wrong with following the advice here:
> http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/msg/3ebab32a163d89cc
Nothing wrong with that. I heard this too, to use the second IDE bus instead
which is not buggy, but slower.
> ... but having that slave hard drive in the zip slot being my boot
> drive? Let's go ahead and assume I don't care about hard drive speed
> at all. Anything wrong (or better?) with putting the HD on master and
> moving the optical drive to slave?
What OS are you using right now/or plan to use? If it's Mac OS X or Linux,
there won't be any problem. OpenFirmware will store the default boot device
and it doesn't matter if its the first or the second IDE bus, master or slave,
or even the first or the last partition (inside the 128 GB barrier!).
> As far as I can tell, PCI card controllers are too expensive to
> consider for this box. I could buy a much newer computer for the
> price of the card.
I came to the same conclusion.
> So I need to find the cheapest (ie, "creative")
> solution to keep this thing from getting its data corrupted if I want
> to get it up and running productively.
Mac OS X will detect if a faulty CMD646 chipset is in the system and will
work-around the buggy UDMA transfer mode by setting it up to use PIO mode
instead. This will prevent the data corruption, but at the same time make your
hard drive access very s-l-o-w. This still makes the use of a second drive
(slave) problematic. It may or may not work.
Note that you may not be able to install a Mac OS X 10.4 system on your B&W
for various reasons. I forgot them though. … … … No, sorry, cannot remember…
I installed a Mac OS X 10.4.11 system onto a 9 years old 20 GB hard drive (I
got with a G4 AGP or so) on my G4 Quicksilver (original, 2001) and after that
installed it in my G3 B&W and it runs perfectly ever since.
This might be the creative way you where looking for. Maybe.
My configuration:
1st IDE bus: Master: 20 GB IBM Deskstar hard disk (9 years old… about to fail
anytime now…)
2nd IDE bus: Master: IDE-DVD-Drive
> I do vaguely recall thinking that using Yellow Dog sidestepped some of
> the driver issues, but I can't find that now. I'd be happy with a
> Linux B&W, if that's any safer.
Linux in general has a "CMD640 bug workaround" (CMD64[3|6|8|9]), which does
basically the same as Mac OS X does: disable all UDMA modes and use the
highest PIO mode instead. The workaround also fixes the second channel
problem, therefor making the second (slave) disk accessible.
http://www.linuxhq.com/lnxlists/linux-kernel/lk_9905_03/msg00336.html
>From Linux configuration ("make menuconfig"), on x86 (not PPC):
--
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640:
The CMD-Technologies CMD640 IDE chip is used on many common 486 and Pentium
motherboards, usually in combination with a "Neptune" or "SiS" chipset.
Unfortunately, it has a number of rather nasty design flaws that can cause
severe data corruption under many common conditions. Say Y here to include
code which tries to automatically detect and correct the problems under Linux.
This option also enables access to the secondary IDE ports in some CMD640
based systems.
This driver will work automatically in PCI based systems (most new systems
have PCI slots). But if your system uses VESA local bus (VLB) instead of PCI,
you must also supply a kernel boot parameter to enable the CMD640
bugfix/support: "cmd640.probe_vlb". (Try "man bootparam" or see the
documentation of your boot loader about how to pass options to the kernel.)
The CMD640 chip is also used on add-in cards by Acculogic, and on the
"CSA-6400E PCI to IDE controller" that some people have. For details, read
.
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640_ENHANCED:
This option inclu
Re: B&W G3 Rev 1: Main HD in "Zip slot"?
On 4/11/10, Ruffin wrote: > I do vaguely recall thinking that using Yellow Dog sidestepped some of > the driver issues, but I can't find that now. you can download the latest cd version of yellowdog Linux here: http://ydl.oregonstate.edu/iso/yellowdog-5.0.2-20070711.iso latest DVD: http://ydl.oregonstate.edu/iso/yellowdog-6.2-ppc-DVD_20090629.iso -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
B&W G3 Rev 1: Main HD in "Zip slot"?
I've got a Rev 1 B&W I received for a song, and I'm a little confused about its hard drive controller issues. It seems, after some Googling around here and xlr8yourmac, like the slave on the fast controller is always bad news, and that occasionally even the single HD on that controller can become corrupted. Is there anything wrong with following the advice here: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/msg/3ebab32a163d89cc ... but having that slave hard drive in the zip slot being my boot drive? Let's go ahead and assume I don't care about hard drive speed at all. Anything wrong (or better?) with putting the HD on master and moving the optical drive to slave? As far as I can tell, PCI card controllers are too expensive to consider for this box. I could buy a much newer computer for the price of the card. So I need to find the cheapest (ie, "creative") solution to keep this thing from getting its data corrupted if I want to get it up and running productively. I do vaguely recall thinking that using Yellow Dog sidestepped some of the driver issues, but I can't find that now. I'd be happy with a Linux B&W, if that's any safer. Thanks! Ruffin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
