Re: iTunes and iPod 4 Touch registration
ipod(s) version 4 onwards require 10.5 , so there is no way round the registration, also the ipods software will not be up-to-date to use with 10.4 and cannot be updated manually. You will need 10.5 on the ac to complete n use or try in find a older ipod say on eBay to use it. There are specs in the literture for the ipod and it will day 10.5 or greater On Dec 26, 1:21 am, Jim McGee orb...@dslextreme.com wrote: Hi All - I recently turned over a Quicksilver867running10.4.11, all updates installed, to my step daughter She has purchased an iPod4Touch and is trying to get the registration completed. While following registration instructions the system is telling her she needs iTunes 10.1which I gather doesn't work in Tiger (She can't complete the registration). Is there a way around this ? I don't suppose she could install the latest iTunes version in10.4.11(I think we're talking v7.3) ? Since I don't have a clue on most of the high tech stuff out there, I would appreciate some advice or info that will get her down the road... Thanks, Jim McGee (aka: mudbro) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes and iPod 4 Touch registration
On Dec 26, 2010, at 6:24 AM, EiMacDVSE wrote: ipod(s) version 4 onwards require 10.5 You're right. I just looked it up and it says it requires 10.5.8 or newer. Damn, Apple really presses peoples buttons hard, don't they? Apple supports Windows computers running XP (released August 2001), but requires 10.5.8 (released August 2009) for Apple computers!?!?! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browser Benchmarks
At 3:28 PM -0600 12/25/2010, Kris Tilford wrote: Saw this browser benchmark and thought I'd test out my browsers on my PPC dual 2.3 GHz G5 w/10.5.8.: Browser Family: safari (Safari 5.0.3 5533.19.4) Browser Version: 533.19.4 Score: 383/5 rwb points I need to dig deeper... Safari 4 on my 933-MHz QuickSilver (Tiger) got over 400. It would seem to me that a benchmark should show your G5 as being faster than my G4. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PM G5 DVD Drive Problem
At 9:00 AM -0600 12/25/2010, Eric Volker wrote: I've got a bit of a strange problem with my G5 tower. It's a dual CPU 1.8GHz model with 10.5.8 installed. Recently, my DVD drive stopped being able to eject the tray. When pressing the eject button, the drive would buzz and click, but wouldn't eject. However, I was able to manually force the chassis door open and eject the drive tray using the paper clip option. Thinking that the drive motor had somehow lost power, or a belt was slipping, I replaced the drive - and had the same problem with the new drive. Time for a little background. Two years ago I bought this G5 used off eBay. Somebody at UPS drop kicked the thing, and bent the rear legs on the computer. When I got it, it seemed to work fine. Instead of going through the hassle of returning it, the seller gave me a $100 refund on the unit and I went about happily using it for a couple of years. Could the problem I'm experiencing now be because the frame is bent out of shape? Sounds like it. If so, are there any remedies that don't involve replacing the chassis? A comealong and a pick-up truck? If you hold the door open, can the drive eject normally? Um... Remove the drive and see if you can make that door move freely? Perhaps the skew is just holding it a tiny bit, and that can be delt with by shaving off a bit of metal or something? Or maybe just remove the door altogether? It's just a flap - there to keep dust out. A piece of duct tape can do that too! Another solution would be to put the drive in an external case. I've also got a splitter on the power cable providing juice to a video card. Could the drive somehow not be getting enough power to eject? Doesn't seem plausible, but who knows. If the drive works otherwise, then doubtful. Some drives are very emotional - if they detect any drawer interference at all, they stop the eject and pull their tongue back in. heh. I've got a DVD Recorder sittin on my TV - if you barely brush the tray with your fingers while putting in a disc, the tray closes and leaves you standing there with the disc still in your hand! :\ - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browser Benchmarks
On Dec 25, 2:28 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: https://clubcompy.com/rwBench.jsp Saw this browser benchmark and thought I'd test out my browsers on my PPC dual 2.3 GHz G5 w/10.5.8.: Browser Family: safari (Safari 5.0.3 5533.19.4) Browser Version: 533.19.4 Score: 383/5 rwb points Browser Family: mozilla (rv:1.9.2.13 Gecko/20101203 Firefox 3.6.13) Browser Version: 1.9.2.13 Score: 3720/5 rwb points Browser Family: opera (Opera 10.63 build 8450) Browser Version: 10.63 Score: 3821/5 rwb points In comparison, Intel Google Chrome on a 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo laptop w/ 10.6.5: Browser Family: safari (Google Chrome 10.0.612.3 dev) Browser Version: 534.15 Score: 10922/5 rwb points On MacBook Pro; 1.83, 2 GB RAM: Firefox 3.6.13 4760/5 rwb points Safari 5.0.2 8218/5 rwb points Opera 10.63 6395/5 rwb points Chrome 8.0.552.231 7888/5 rwb points -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
Thanks, Dan. Before I even realized there'd been a response to my post (Wayne Stewart's) (I viewed it at Google Groups first, having not seen it in my email at that point), I ordered a Seagate 7200.10 Barracuda 160 MB Ultra ATA/100 HD. (The 40 GB drives I'm afraid are failing are also Seagate Barracudas, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM.) I could send it back, if I have to, though I suspect I won't have to. First, go everymac.com and *positively* identify exactly which Power Mac you gots. Then check its HD bus specs to see if it supports the bigger drives. There are hacks available to support those larger drives, but IMO they're just a PITA - at that point it's better to get a PCI card to make a new bus (SATA). Went to everymac.com - this new old computer of mine is the Sawtooth, the model M7825LL/B. (System Profiler shows the graphics card as ATY[Rage128Pro] for some reason, though.) So... does not natively supported (128 GB+ hard drives) mean won't work at all without mystery voodoo or maybe even with it? Here's something from the Seagate 7200.10 Barracuda description notes: This hard drive operates at SATA 1.5Gb/s by default, you must change the jumper settings for the hard drive to operate at SATA 3.0Gb/s. Before doing so please make sure your motherboard can support SATA 3.0Gb/s. I saw that to begin with. Aside from the question of whether all 160 GB would be recognized, I reasoned that the new Seagate is supposed to be an Ultra ATA/100 HD, like my existing HDs, so it oughta work somehow. OK, I'm over my head again. IF I don't decide to return the new HD and opt for external as the stopgap (I DO intend to keep this old Power Mac G4 even after my probable move to a new Mac mini, and I'd only give it up willingly in a swap for some other old Mac), I'll probably have some follow-up questions on the PCI card and making a new SATA bus. No, make that definitely have some questions. As simple as it might be, I'll find something in it to confuse me, left on my own. Aside - never a good idea to use an internal drive as a backup. The point of a backup is to make sure your data *survives* a catastrophe. An internal drive is 1) always electrically connected to the computer and 2) always accessable - corruptable. Good advice, as Clark also mentioned. The 2-HD idea was originally for the purpose of keeping OS 9.2.2 around when I moved to (my first) Mac OS X, 10.3 Panther. When OS 9 fell into disuse, at some point I hit upon the idea of using the spare as an entire HD backup, which seemed ingenious to me at the time. The smart thing to do in that case would be to keep the HD anywhere but in the same computer, of course. Not as smart as an external HD, but that always seemed so extravagant to me, as I was never anywhere close to using up the 40 GB I had until recently. Open the PowerMac and stick your ear in there, to verify that the sounds are coming from the drives. I did and I have - I have just distrusted my ears (being a musician teaches you to, ironically). I am as satisfied as I can be that the noise is from the drives. It occurs to me a little belatedly that a test that would absolutely determine whether it was the hard drives would be to disconnect the power from them and start up. Unless that's a no-no for some reason. The only possible source of noise in this situation would be the fan, yes? An optical drive is silent unless it's reading something, no? Venues like LEM Swap, sites like Other World Computing (macsales.com), Meritline, etc, all have good deals on drives these days. Office Despot has some good sales this week also! In general, a good target is 10 to 30c per GB. I got the HD I mentioned above for $44. Ok. Back-up. Punt - the work of replacing that internal HDs isn't necessary at this point. Forget all of the above. Just get an *external* firewire hard drive. Plug it in. Use Disk Utility to set it up. Use CarbonCopyCloner to clone (backup) the stuff from your internal drives into it. Then BOOT on it. From that point on, use that external drive! Use the internals as scratch space or something. NOW you tell me. Where were you 4 days ago? (I'm kidding.) When the idea that I might be hearing a failing HD first confronted me, a easy way out that flashed before me was putting my system on an external HD. It might be an outdated notion or one that was never true to begin with, but I thought booting from an external HD would make everything noticeably and maybe intolerably slower, even the relatively basic stuff I'm doing with the computer now (I'm such an under-utilizer). Not true? What about this here computer having a FireWire 400 bus? Would that need/ought to be remedied? Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
So... does not natively supported (128 GB+ hard drives) mean won't work at all without mystery voodoo or maybe even with it? Many G4 Macs can have the 48-bit LBA Property added persistently (that is, semi-permanently) to their PRAMs. Sure, once the PRAM is cleared, the property reverts to 24-bit mode. However, as long as the PRAM is NOT cleared, perhaps for many years, the property is available, and this means that ANY sized drive can be supported, even for booting. However, it is ALWAYS better to play safe and partition each drive into a partition which is 131,072 MB, with the remainder being partitioned as desired. The 131,072 MB partition may also be sub-partitioned, just so no sub-partition straddles the 131,072 MB line. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
Thank you, Clark. They can work with drives larger than 128Gb but only up to a size of 128Gb (without patches). So a 160 GB hard drive compatible in other respects would at least work (and be seen as a 128 GB HD) in a Sawtooth Power Mac G4? Or get a (somewhat) newer PowerMac that does support the larger drives (2002 QuickSilver, MDD or a G5). Circumstances dictate that any serious money I spend now (or I should say 6 months or so from now) be spent on a new Mac for the sake of getting with the Intel program at last. I wish I could afford an array of older Macs - heck, I wish I still had the 7100 I started out using (sorry, can't remember the prefix - Power Macintosh?) - but for me to move to a newer old Power Mac would have to involve trade somehow, and it's hard to arrange trading what you've got when it's all you have and you need it every day. And it's [an internal HD as a backup drive] always physically with the computer which means if the computer is stolen or crushed by a tree the drive gets the same treatment. True. My backup plan wasn't very well thought out. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
On Dec 22, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: About time I discovered Low End Mac and this group, after 10+ years of owning a G4. My question: What are my limitations in terms of selecting a new hard drive that I can install without any additional upgrades/replacement as far as ATA, Ultra ATA/100, SATA and all that (giving myself away here) goes? Sean, I have two Sawtooths which I equipped with Sonnet Tempo ATA 133 PCI cards. They support drives larger than 128GB. No Voodoo. The cards extended the usefulness of these G4s. Dale Hoffman Louisville, KY -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
At 6:26 PM -0600 12/26/2010, Sean Carroll wrote: Before I even realized there'd been a response to my post (Wayne Stewart's) (I viewed it at Google Groups first, having not seen it in my email at that point), I ordered a Seagate 7200.10 Barracuda 160 MB Ultra ATA/100 HD. But later in your reply you talk about SATA settings - that's contrary to it being ATA. (see below) First, go everymac.com and *positively* identify exactly which Power Mac you gots. Then check its HD bus specs to see if it supports the bigger drives. There are hacks available to support those larger drives, but IMO they're just a PITA - at that point it's better to get a PCI card to make a new bus (SATA). Went to everymac.com - this new old computer of mine is the Sawtooth, the model M7825LL/B. (System Profiler shows the graphics card as ATY[Rage128Pro] for some reason, though.) http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_450.html So... does not natively supported (128 GB+ hard drives) mean won't work at all without mystery voodoo or maybe even with it? Correct - as is, on that bus, the system will only see the first 128 GB of the drive. You'd have to install the hacks to make it support the larger drives to see the whole thing. Here's something from the Seagate 7200.10 Barracuda description notes: This hard drive operates at SATA 1.5Gb/s by default, you must change the jumper settings for the hard drive to operate at SATA 3.0Gb/s. Before doing so please make sure your motherboard can support SATA 3.0Gb/s. *Exactly* which model Seagate drive did you buy? SATA (Serial ATA) is NOT the same as PATA (Parallel ATA), aka ATA or IDE. You CANNOT connect a SATA drive to your Mac's built-in IDE (PATA) buses. I saw that to begin with. Aside from the question of whether all 160 GB would be recognized, I reasoned that the new Seagate is supposed to be an Ultra ATA/100 HD, like my existing HDs, so it oughta work somehow. Double check that you're getting the ATA version, NOT the SATA version. Look *carefully* at the model number. ST3160215A is the ATA version. ST3160215AS is the SATA version. http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_barracuda_7200_10.pdf Open the PowerMac and stick your ear in there, to verify that the sounds are coming from the drives. I did and I have - I have just distrusted my ears (being a musician teaches you to, ironically). I am as satisfied as I can be that the noise is from the drives. It occurs to me a little belatedly that a test that would absolutely determine whether it was the hard drives would be to disconnect the power from them and start up. Unless that's a no-no for some reason. That's fine. We do that all the time to quickly disable one bit of hardware or another, to reduce variables in the problem etc. The only possible source of noise in this situation would be the fan, yes? An optical drive is silent unless it's reading something, no? Correct*2. Ok. Back-up. Punt - the work of replacing that internal HDs isn't necessary at this point. Forget all of the above. Just get an *external* firewire hard drive. Plug it in. Use Disk Utility to set it up. Use CarbonCopyCloner to clone (backup) the stuff from your internal drives into it. Then BOOT on it. From that point on, use that external drive! Use the internals as scratch space or something. NOW you tell me. Where were you 4 days ago? (I'm kidding.) When the idea that I might be hearing a failing HD first confronted me, a easy way out that flashed before me was putting my system on an external HD. It might be an outdated notion or one that was never true to begin with, but I thought booting from an external HD would make everything noticeably and maybe intolerably slower, even the relatively basic stuff I'm doing with the computer now (I'm such an under-utilizer). Not true? What about this here computer having a FireWire 400 bus? Would that need/ought to be remedied? The Mac's ATA/66 bus maxes out at 66.7 MB/sec, actual throughput is around 80% of that. That's faster than Firewire's 400 Mbps. But... most drives only do half that anyway. Add to that the fact that your Mac is only 450 MHz, in practice booting on a firewire drive shouldn't feel slow at all, IMO. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Can't mount remote HD's
Hello All, I have an eMac (OS 10.4.11, 1 GB) with a large capacity external HD. It talks to my NetGear wireless router via Airport Extreme. I had a G4 Sawtooth (OS 10.4.11, 1.5 GB, Sonnet 1.3GHz dual proc). It talks to my NetGear router via cat-5 cable. Whenever I need files from the eMac's HD, I would connect to the remote server, mount the HD's on the G4's desktop go from there... Last week the G4's power supply gave out I got another G4 to replace it. Swapped out the HD's, proc upgrade, video card, etc. The first time I needed files from the eMac, the HD's mounted just fine, as they always did. From the second time on, whenever I try mount drives from the eMac, I connect to the server, log in, select the drives to be mounted, click mount the wee colour wheel spins, and spins, and spins, and spins... I can go shopping, come back, and the wee colour wheel is still spinning the HD's never mount. I also got a 867 GHz Quicksilver (OS 10.4.11, 1.5 GB) a couple days ago put the Sawtooth's HD in it. Same thing! I get logged in to the remote server, select the drives to be mounted, click mount the wee colour wheel spins spins spins, but no mount! Any idea what's going on? TIA, Drew -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
On Dec 26, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: Open the PowerMac and stick your ear in there, to verify that the sounds are coming from the drives. I did and I have - I have just distrusted my ears (being a musician teaches you to, ironically). I am as satisfied as I can be that the noise is from the drives. It occurs to me a little belatedly that a test that would absolutely determine whether it was the hard drives would be to disconnect the power from them and start up. Unless that's a no-no for some reason. The only possible source of noise in this situation would be the fan, yes? An optical drive is silent unless it's reading something, no? In addition to listening, try using your finger. If you place your finger on the drive you can often feel some of the sounds and your finger is much better at localizing the source. Plus it's a lot easier getting your finger in to touch the drive than your ear. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
(System Profiler shows the graphics card as ATY[Rage128Pro] for some reason, though.) As an aside on an aside, I should clarify that this comment of mine was wonderment that my own system (by way of the app System Profiler) is misspelling what should be ATI. Unless there really such a thing as an ATY Rage128Pro card, perhaps a cheap and ancient Soviet knock- off of the ATI graphics card, miraculously predating the probable existence of ATI cards to begin with. I shouldn't joke. Maybe ATY exists and is well known, what do I know. So... does not natively supported (128 GB+ hard drives) mean won't work at all without mystery voodoo or maybe even with it? Correct - as is, on that bus, the system will only see the first 128 GB of the drive. You'd have to install the hacks to make it support the larger drives to see the whole thing. But not seeing the whole thing doesn't mean that my Power Mac G4 will refuse to have anything to do with it, right? Here's something from the Seagate 7200.10 Barracuda description notes: This hard drive operates at SATA 1.5Gb/s by default, you must change the jumper settings for the hard drive to operate at SATA 3.0Gb/s. Before doing so please make sure your motherboard can support SATA 3.0Gb/s. This must be a case of the notes containing information for both versions, because... Double check that you're getting the ATA version, NOT the SATA version. Look *carefully* at the model number. ST3160215A is the ATA version. ST3160215AS is the SATA version. ... ST3160215A is the model number of the hard drive I ordered. The Mac's ATA/66 bus maxes out at 66.7 MB/sec, actual throughput is around 80% of that. That's faster than Firewire's 400 Mbps. But... most drives only do half that anyway. Add to that the fact that your Mac is only 450 MHz, in practice booting on a firewire drive shouldn't feel slow at all, IMO. So it's a choice between an external HD with no complications and an internal one with some complications. The possible advantage the former offers is obvious. The possible advantage of the latter - it seems to me - would be that I end up with (through the PCI card and SATA) with a better Power Mac G4 which becomes itself an external FireWire HD once I have a brand-new Mac, besides being useful for the older operating systems it could run. Practically, I like simple and relatively cheap better. But this older Mac isn't a throwaway to me, and beginning to learn something about tinkering with it, besides straightforward changing of the hard drives, wouldn't hurt. The only time pressure on deciding is how long the hard drives in it now are going to last. The first hard drive failure, of the originally installed one just inside of 2 years, came with no warning whatsoever. So the noise I'm hearing now probably doesn't tell me anything more than soon. I suppose that's warning enough. Most of the vital stuff is already backed up. Time to finish the job. Thanks, Dan. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
On Dec 26, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: (System Profiler shows the graphics card as ATY[Rage128Pro] for some reason, though.) As an aside on an aside, I should clarify that this comment of mine was wonderment that my own system (by way of the app System Profiler) is misspelling what should be ATI. Unless there really such a thing as an ATY Rage128Pro card, perhaps a cheap and ancient Soviet knock-off of the ATI graphics card, miraculously predating the probable existence of ATI cards to begin with. I shouldn't joke. Maybe ATY exists and is well known, what do I know. ATY is how the card reports itself. It is from ATI. Nothing to worry about. So... does not natively supported (128 GB+ hard drives) mean won't work at all without mystery voodoo or maybe even with it? Correct - as is, on that bus, the system will only see the first 128 GB of the drive. You'd have to install the hacks to make it support the larger drives to see the whole thing. But not seeing the whole thing doesn't mean that my Power Mac G4 will refuse to have anything to do with it, right? Without a patch you can format / access up to 128Gb of it. Disk Utility will show it as only 128Gb in size and format it accordingly. I have used a couple of 160 Gb drives on G4s formatted to 128Gb. They work just fine, you just have 32Gb that is unusable. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
At 8:39 PM -0600 12/26/2010, Sean Carroll wrote: The first hard drive failure, of the originally installed one just inside of 2 years, came with no warning whatsoever. So the noise I'm hearing now probably doesn't tell me anything more than soon. I suppose that's warning enough. Most of the vital stuff is already backed up. Time to finish the job. yea. It's a bit Shakespearean, really. Sometimes they take a stab to the gut and die quick, and sometimes they blither on forever announcing I die! repeatedly. Just keep good backups. Then you won't be upset when the drive finally bricks out. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes and iPod 4 Touch registration
On Dec 26, 2010, at 6:20 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Dec 26, 2010, at 6:24 AM, EiMacDVSE wrote: ipod(s) version 4 onwards require 10.5 You're right. I just looked it up and it says it requires 10.5.8 or newer. Damn, Apple really presses peoples buttons hard, don't they? Apple supports Windows computers running XP (released August 2001), but requires 10.5.8 (released August 2009) for Apple computers!?!?! Hi again folks- Well I didn't get a chance to try an update to the step daughter's iTunes. Instead, she came over with her iPod 4 and was able to get it registered via my MDD w/ Leopard. Sooo the problem is solved (?). My thanks to all your responses and wish all a GREAT year ahead Jim McGee (aka: mudbro) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
