Lock doors

[Norm]

I have lived in rural Maine for almost 40 years and never locked my house or 
car until this past January. Doors smashed, things taken worth a lot. Prep took 
my insurance bought me new iPod touch and I find I at least 3 neighbors that 
were log on to my wifi. Have  since used highest security and password to shut 
them out. Wish I could say the same for the dirtbag who robbed me.



Sent from my iPod

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Tina K.]

On 2011/04/26 17:38, iJohn so eloquently wrote:

To repeat for what it's worth, you simply can NOT permanently lock
yourself out of your network. The worst you can do is forget and lose
all the router passwords and need to go through the hassle of
resetting the router back to the factory defaults so you can go redo
the entire configuration process for the router and all your systems.


Most of the routers that I've used had the ability to save the 
configuration which you could re-load if need be.


Tina

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Tina K.]

On 2011/04/26 16:35, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote:

On Apr 26, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Tina K. wrote:



It doesn't have to be complex. Using a random generator such as
RPG and an*encrypted*  password repository such as Pastor,
PasswordWallet, Keychain Access, 1Password, etc… provides good
security without having to resort to memorizing or writing them
down.

Sigh. Never EVER EVER rely on a single encrypted source to remember
important stuff like passwords. A plain text (as in written on a
piece of paper!) backup, locked securely away is important. What if
something happens to the encrypted file? You're SOL. (and that goes
10X higher if you're a compamny and it was the root password for the
'Accounts Receivable' DB.)


Even a plain text printout of your passwords locked 'securely' away is 
not completely infallible. I use PasswordWallet and 1Password, both have 
all the same passwords and they are each backed up three times over, 
once offsite.



"Hey look!8-)  it's sn0w1ng Macintoshes outside!" is AS SECURE as
anything RPG will generate, because while it's true that a truly
random password string is more secure against cracking, the
passphrase chosen is secure enough. And more importantly, I NEVER
need to write it down

The bestest, mostest random password RPG will ever give you is
USELESS if the method of cracking in doesn't involve cracking the
password, but a social engineering attack, a MITM attack, a
keylogger, etc.


Yep, you can't eliminate human mistakes completely. But we do the best 
we can, trying not to fall for phish attacks, locking the screen when 
walking away from the machine, being smart about what & where you 
download something, etc… Strong random character passwords are only one 
ingredient in the security pie.



Far too many people fetishize long, random passwords as teh shizzle
of computer security, when they're not (and there's not a whole lot
of evidence that they've been all that good at preventing compromise
in the first place, mainly because of the human element).


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my impression that the longer the 
password the longer it takes to crack.



This is why banks (among other reasons like people using 'password'
for their passwords) have moved to multi-factor authentication. you
need to enter your username/password AND the little picture needs to
be correct; or they use RSA dongles. (themselves hacked at a higher
level. RSA*claims*  that SecurID is ok, but I'll wager there was a
mass need for pants dry-cleaning
there...)


I would say that some forms of multi-factor authentication can actually 
hinder security. My CU switched to using login name, password, and 
personal information challenge. This has forced me to use the same 
phrase for all the questions because my favorite movie changes over 
time, I don't remember my first teacher's name, my mother's maiden name 
is public record, and so on.


IMO this is much more of a hindrance than strong random passwords.

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Re: A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Albert Carter wrote:

> I agree this is a great tale and awesome and useful information. I'm not 
> nitpicking here but wouldn't it have been quicker and easier to just restore 
> from backup?


Yes it would have been,  had there been backups to restore from...

"His external drives for Time Machine (which I suggested he get a YEAR AGO!) 
are now winging their way here..."

There's a moral in there somewhere 8-) 

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Re: A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...

[Albert Carter]

I agree this is a great tale and awesome and useful information. I'm not 
nitpicking here but wouldn't it have been quicker and easier to just restore 
from backup?


Albert




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To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...


On Apr 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 

> Caveat! 
> 
> As with ANYTHING done as root, you can really screw up the system. Using 
> Finder like this is taking a heavy-duty power tool, removing all the safety 
> guards, duct taping it to your hands and supergluing the trigger to the 'ON' 
> position. If you don't know what you're doing, you can lop off a limb before 
> you know what happened to you...
> 
> Use wisely :-)

Bruce,

Fascinating tale, which I appreciate your taking the time to share. It's 
because of the sharing that goes on in this group that I've learned so much 
about Macs over the years. The fact that you, Dan and a few others who are 
really, really hands-on as well as book-smart knowledgeable take the time to 
share your experiences makes this group more valuable than any other single 
resource for Macs on the Internet.

Thank you!

Jim Scott
Macs for Kids

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Re: A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...

[Jim Scott]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 

> Caveat! 
> 
> As with ANYTHING done as root, you can really screw up the system. Using 
> Finder like this is taking a heavy-duty power tool, removing all the safety 
> guards, duct taping it to your hands and supergluing the trigger to the 'ON' 
> position. If you don't know what you're doing, you can lop off a limb before 
> you know what happened to you...
> 
> Use wisely :-)

Bruce,

Fascinating tale, which I appreciate your taking the time to share. It's 
because of the sharing that goes on in this group that I've learned so much 
about Macs over the years. The fact that you, Dan and a few others who are 
really, really hands-on as well as book-smart knowledgeable take the time to 
share your experiences makes this group more valuable than any other single 
resource for Macs on the Internet.

Thank you!

Jim Scott
Macs for Kids

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A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...

[Bruce Johnson]

How to open a finder window as root:

 10.6
 10.5 and 
lower

Saved my butt today, fixing a department head's munged Powerbook...something 
ate his home directory, he could log on, but then it went to the background and 
nothing else ever appeared: no dock, no Desktop, etc.

FORTUNATELY (HINT HINT!!!) there was another user account with Admin privileges 
already present on the computer. I was able to log in as that user.

Here's the fix, if you ever find yourself in this situation.

Applejack found most or all of the missing pieces of his user directory 
structure and put it in /lost+found as a long series of numbered folders 
523343, 512244, etc etc..

(See:



 )

I logged in, renamed his now ruined home directory.

I had him log in; in the absence of a valid home directory, OS X will create a 
new, empty one.

I then logged back in as the first user (fast user switching roxxors), and 
opened a finder window as root, per the directions above. This now allowed me 
to open his normally locked home directory in the finder.

Then I looked through the myriad of folders in /lost+found. Fortunately it 
looked like most of his /library folder was one of them, most of his Pictures 
folder another, etc. I moved the files and folders into the appropriate places.

Once I was done in finder I want back to the terminal window where I started a 
finder instance as root and control-c'ed out of the command. Then I went to 
users and did: sudo chown -R theuser:thegroup theuser/

Whenere theuser is the user's short name, and thegroup is the user's group. 
This can be determined by the follwong command in Terminal:
open a new Terminal Window and enter:
cd /Users
ls -l

You'll see something like this:

dbdev2:~ johnson$ cd /Users
dbdev2:Users johnson$ ls -l
total 0
drwxrwxrwt   18 root  wheel  612 Dec 14 16:31 Shared
drwxr-xr-x   21 helpdesk  helpdesk   714 Dec 15 10:42 helpdesk
drwxr-xr-x@ 260 johnson   johnson   8840 Apr 25 09:21 johnson
drwxr-xr-x   15 test  staff  510 Aug 20  2010 test

looking at the top line, root is the user, wheel is the group. Since 10.4 or so 
users have had their primary group one with the same name as their short 
username. (see helpdesk helpdesk, or johnson johnson). IN earlier versions of 
OSX your default group was 'staff'.

The chown command above makes sure that all the files in the user's directory 
are owned by him (CHange OWNership) since root was moving (and in some cases 
copying) the files many could have been owned by root)

After this, he was able to log in again and most of his stuff was as he left it.

I was still getting problems booting up as in taking 5-10 minutes to boot (In 
10.6, possibly 10.5, if the system boots up with a long progress bar like a 
safe boot, fsck is having problems with the drive. In earlier versions of the 
OS I think the spinning gear just keeps on spinning, making it appear that 
nothing is going on) It would eventually boot but take forever.

(Another useful hint: I rebooted holding down the Command-V keys; this boots in 
'verbose' mode, showing the old school Unix boot screen, where I was able to 
see that the system was repeatedly trying to repair the disk with fsck)

Connected it via FWTM to my iMac, tried Disk Utility to repair, no go. Tried 
Disk Warrior and DW once again proved it's worth, by handily rebuilding his 
disk directory and restoring his system back to normal.

His external drives for Time Machine (which I suggested he get a YEAR AGO!) are 
now winging their way here...

Caveat! 

As with ANYTHING done as root, you can really screw up the system. Using Finder 
like this is taking a heavy-duty power tool, removing all the safety guards, 
duct taping it to your hands and supergluing the trigger to the 'ON' position. 
If you don't know what you're doing, you can lop off a limb before you know 
what happened to you...

Use wisely :-)

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Re: iMac G4 questions

[Dan Ziegler]

Thanks for all the insight... now I'll have to check and see what
GeForce it has!! ;-) This screen has plastic on the top as far as I
can tell, the shame is all the pixels are nice and bright, only the
top layer is scratched. Might just have to keep an eye out for dead
iMacs with good screens.

As for the hard disk, out of curiosity, does anyone know if OS X
refuse to boot on SMART errors? My PCs never hesitate... maybe OS X
takes the "safe route" and kernel panics.

Ralph, this hard disk was pretty easy to get to: I just removed the
motherboard, and the disks were right there in a caddy. See xlr8 your
mac's page here: 
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/iMac_g4/imacg4_takeapart.html
- it's helpful.

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[iJohn]

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Yersinia  wrote:
> Anyway, I decided I didn't want those defaults. I want to use WEP open
> because it's best for my Trailing Edge equipment. I don't want to even
> try WPA2  because I'm scared sh*tless I'll end up locking myself out
> of my own network.  Hell, I locked myself out on my own porch in the dead of
> winter! :-{

To repeat for what it's worth, you simply can NOT permanently lock
yourself out of your network. The worst you can do is forget and lose
all the router passwords and need to go through the hassle of
resetting the router back to the factory defaults so you can go redo
the entire configuration process for the router and all your systems.
Extremely tedious, yes. A bricking of the router, no.

In the more likely scenario where you remember the admin password to
your router you can just plug an ethernet cable into your router (if
you haven't already) and then logon to router and change the Wi-Fi
security password to whatever you like. Again, tedious and annoying
but no more than that.

As long as you have physical access to your router you can always
configure it, one way or another. So don't worry about more than a
potential temporary lockout as a worst case scenario.

WEP is better than nothing. But it is just a screen door. Most folks
are either polite or easily discouraged and so won't breech a screen
door which is what Bruce's rational is counting on. But if you have
both a screen door and metal door with a security lock why not use the
stronger one? Why even bother with the one in a million risk of
encountering someone with no manners? I'm just sayin' ...

Of course, the other reason to use WPA2 is for those using 802.11n,
which is NOT the case here. The reason you would want to use WPA2 with
AES encryption with 802.11n is because if you don't then the  protocol
requires the router to limit the connection to 802.11g speeds. Or at
least that's what I've been told. Seems a rather odd requirement to
me, but it also strikes me a "foot pushing on the butt" attempt to
move people to a better security protocol.

-irrational john

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Re: USB 2 pci card for powermac G3

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:21 PM, crumvoc wrote:

> Hi again.  Does anyone know if any ol' off the shelf windows PC USB2
> PCI card will work in my g3 powermac?  I'd like to upgrade it to USB 2
> if possible.

Yes, USB2 in Windows also required OHCI so they're pretty much all compatible. 
Note that USB2 requires OS X; in older OS'es you'll only get USB1.1 speeds out 
of it. G4's have sleep issues with some USB2 chipsets; I don't know if that 
applies to G3's as well. The NEC chipset works.


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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[imrazor]

To add my $.02 to the conversation, I do seem to recall having to use
some odd characters when connecting to a WEP router. Something like
putting a '$' character in front of my 26 character long WEP hex key
on Panther. Now that was a drag to remember...

Eric

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USB 2 pci card for powermac G3

[crumvoc]

Hi again.  Does anyone know if any ol' off the shelf windows PC USB2
PCI card will work in my g3 powermac?  I'd like to upgrade it to USB 2
if possible.

Thanks

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Re: Fan issue on Powermac g3 400mh, 640 ram

[crumvoc]

Thank you to all!  That makes me feel a lot better.  I guess I'll just
try to monitor in case of a fan failure.  I really like this old Mac.
It always makes me smile when I open the case and see the amazing
interior.  Giving it to my elderly parents and will try to teach them
how to do email.  I have set up a  very simplified desktop for them
with only a mail client (Thunderbird), iPhoto and Safari.

On Apr 25, 9:04 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Apr 25, 2011, at 9:01 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>
> > Thanks and my apologies ... guess I got caught off guard with what  
> > seems to be double negative like techies ...
>
> I read it the same way the first time, and started at reply based upon  
> the wrong reading, and only realized my error when I saw the first  
> reply, which "blew the dust" out of my own head.

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Yersinia wrote:

> owever, after I Googled to find out what all the security options in the 
> tutorial actually meant ("enough" anyway: I cannot claim to REALLY understand 
> wifi/wifi security tech: if I did, I wouldn't have this issue.  Anyway, I 
> decided I didn't want those defaults. I want to use WEP open because it's 
> best for my Trailing Edge equipment. I don't want to even try WPA2  because 
> I'm scared sh*tless I'll end up locking myself out of my own network.  Hell, 
> I locked myself out on my own porch in the dead of winter! :-{

WPA2 is NOT more complex than WEP; in fact it's easier, none of this "Is it a 
Hex or WEP equivalent key, is it long enough, 64 or 128 bit??" 

You just put in the password, and voil a! it works. (and forgetting your WEP 
key will lock you out just as surely as forgetting your WPA key.) It truly is 
as simple as it said: accept the defaults like the manual said, enter a 
password. Then enter that password on your equipment. 

Done.

If you want to use WEP, go right ahead, use it...truthfully it's Good Enough 
Security. 

Crooks are dumb, not smart like the TeeVee says.

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Tina K. wrote:

> 
> It doesn't have to be complex. Using a random generator such as RPG and
> an *encrypted* password repository such as Pastor, PasswordWallet,
> Keychain Access, 1Password, etc… provides good security without having
> to resort to memorizing or writing them down.

Sigh. Never EVER EVER rely on a single encrypted source to remember important 
stuff like passwords. A plain text (as in written on a piece of paper!) backup, 
locked securely away is important. What if something happens to the encrypted 
file? You're SOL. (and that goes 10X higher if you're a compamny and it was the 
root password for the 'Accounts Receivable' DB.)

"Hey look! 8-) it's sn0w1ng Macintoshes outside!" is AS SECURE as anything RPG 
will generate, because while it's true that a truly random password string is 
more secure against cracking, the passphrase chosen is secure enough. And more 
importantly, I NEVER need to write it down

The bestest, mostest random password RPG will ever give you is USELESS if the 
method of cracking in doesn't involve cracking the password, but a social 
engineering attack, a MITM attack, a keylogger, etc. 

Far too many people fetishize long, random passwords as teh shizzle of computer 
security, when they're not (and there's not a whole lot of evidence that 
they've been all that good at preventing compromise in the first place, mainly 
because of the human element). 

This is why banks (among other reasons like people using 'password' for their 
passwords) have moved to multi-factor authentication. you need to enter your 
username/password AND the little picture needs to be correct; or they use RSA 
dongles. (themselves hacked at a higher level. RSA *claims* that SecurID is ok, 
but I'll wager there was a mass need for pants dry-cleaning 
there...)

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Yersinia]

On 4/26/11 3:03 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Apr 26, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Yersinia wrote:


So there IS an easy way to name and secure my little network? If so, I would 
greatly appreciate it if one of you wifi locksmiths could provide me with 
step-by-step instructions. Here is the equipment list:

Router: US Robotics MAXg, Model 5461.

USR has a nice easy-peasy tutorial here:



Just select the defaults of WPA2 and WPA (PSK), and TKIP&  AES.


Yeah, the tutorial was VERY easy to understand, thank you, Bruce. (Tina: 
my original attempt to secure my router was to (try to) do what the 
manual said, but I had problems and now,  over a year later, I don't 
know where the manual is anymore). However, after I Googled to find out 
what all the security options in the tutorial actually meant ("enough" 
anyway: I cannot claim to REALLY understand wifi/wifi security tech: if 
I did, I wouldn't have this issue.  Anyway, I decided I didn't want 
those defaults. I want to use WEP open because it's best for my Trailing 
Edge equipment. I don't want to even try WPA2  because I'm scared 
sh*tless I'll end up locking myself out of my own network.  Hell, I 
locked myself out on my own porch in the dead of winter! :-{


See, when my BF originally got his wireless brick he couldn't get in on 
HIS G4 Quicksilver (running 10.4.3 at the time, don't know if he updated 
it since then or not; I did put the 10.4.11 update on his flash drive at 
some point some time after that but don't know if he used it).  Well I 
recall him grumbling about "WPA2" and being pissed off saying "I thought 
I read somewhere that Tiger DID support WPA2!" or something like 
that...and there was some PITA crap he had to go through so he could use 
his own wifi, and my iBook's Airport will NOT join his brick wifi when 
I'm at his house unless he gives me this dongle-ish thingie to plug into 
one of the USB ports (and my iBook DOES have 10.4.11 on it). Well, 
that's why I don't want to taste any of the various flavors of WPA. OK, 
though, thought I'd be OK after all when I did eventually did find 
instructions at the US Robotics site on how to set up WEP, and it even 
took me to the page to do it. Problem is, THAT is NOT simple. I didn't 
understand and/or know where to look for the info it asks for and didn't 
have the time to write it all down so I can do more Google and look up 
stuff later. :-( I don't know nearly enough about any of this to keep 
from really screwing up.


Thank you all anyway, though.

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Re: iMac G4 questions

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Tina K. wrote:


On 2011/04/26 14:28, John Carmonne so eloquently wrote:

On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Tina K. wrote:


According to Mactracker both of the USB 1 17" iMacs use the GeForce4
MX but the earlier one came with 32 MB of VRAM whereas the second  
one

came with 64 MB VRAM.

Tina



  IMO EveryMac.com gives more  info than Matracker on all the Macs.
According to EveryMac.com Jeff's explaination is spot on.


I agree that EveryMac has more information, I just find a local  
database to be convenient.


Of course now it's a matter of determining which database is correct.

Tina


 I have Mactracker too but for in-depth and more models I use  
Everymac daily and it seems to be updated by the minute In fact I can  
use it for a lot of info Apple keeps close to home, such as RAM specs  
and system specs.


Like Jeff's identifying factors are they're the same I use often when  
serial numbers don't work, that's not to say an individual didn't  
swap out some parts. Video cards can be a giveaway in a lot of  
machines.:-)


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Re: iMac G4 questions

[Tina K.]

On 2011/04/26 14:28, John Carmonne so eloquently wrote:

On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Tina K. wrote:


According to Mactracker both of the USB 1 17" iMacs use the GeForce4
MX but the earlier one came with 32 MB of VRAM whereas the second one
came with 64 MB VRAM.

Tina



  IMO EveryMac.com gives more  info than Matracker on all the Macs.
According to EveryMac.com Jeff's explaination is spot on.


I agree that EveryMac has more information, I just find a local database 
to be convenient.


Of course now it's a matter of determining which database is correct.

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Re: iMac G4 questions

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Tina K. wrote:


On 2011/04/26 09:41, t...@io.com so eloquently wrote:

There were two extremely similar models of 800MHz G4, 17" iLamp.

The first one will boot into OS 9.2.  The second one will not. 
It's

a bit like the difference between a regular MDD and a FW800 MDD,
except harder to tell apart.

Yours is probably the first model, as it came with an 80GB hard  
drive,
and the later, OSX only model, came with a 60GB hard drive.   But  
hard

drives can be changed.

The clear distinguishing characteristic is that the OS 9 booting  
model

has NVIDIA GeForce4 MX graphics and the OSX only model has NVIDIA
GeForce2 MX graphics.


I had forgotten that the G4 iMacs were updated once before they  
added USB 2, thanks for the reminder.


According to Mactracker both of the USB 1 17" iMacs use the  
GeForce4 MX but the earlier one came with 32 MB of VRAM whereas the  
second one came with 64 MB VRAM.


Tina



 IMO EveryMac.com gives more  info than Matracker on all the Macs.   
According to EveryMac.com Jeff's explaination is spot on.


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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Tina K.]

On 2011/04/26 13:39, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote:

On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:23 PM,peterh...@cruzio.com  wrote:




Just select the defaults of WPA2 and WPA (PSK), and TKIP&
AES.

Choose a good passphrase mixing letters and numbers: "Hey
it's sn0w1ng Macintoshes outside!"


OTOH, use a passphrase which is a substring of an instance of a
Gibson Research Corporation pseudo-random number generator
output.

A single call to GRC's p-RNG will give you enough characters
for:

1) the SSID,

2) the WPA passphrase, and

3) the router password.

All adding vastly more complexity without increasing the security one
little bit. In fact, nonsense like this usually REDUCES security,
because it guarantees that the password gets written down somewhere.


It doesn't have to be complex. Using a random generator such as RPG and
an *encrypted* password repository such as Pastor, PasswordWallet,
Keychain Access, 1Password, etc… provides good security without having
to resort to memorizing or writing them down.

Granted Pastor's RC4 encryption algorhythem isn't the strongest in the
world, but it is free and should be sufficient unless you are trying to
protect national security data.

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Len Gerstel]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:23 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:




Just select the defaults of WPA2 and WPA (PSK), and TKIP & AES.

Choose a good passphrase mixing letters and numbers: "Hey it's  
sn0w1ng

Macintoshes outside!"


OTOH, use a passphrase which is a substring of an instance of a  
Gibson

Research Corporation pseudo-random number generator output.

A single call to GRC's p-RNG will give you enough characters for:

1) the SSID,

2) the WPA passphrase, and

3) the router password.


All adding vastly more complexity without increasing the security  
one little bit. In fact, nonsense like this usually REDUCES  
security, because it guarantees that the password gets written down  
somewhere.


IMO, this is security theatre, not security.


I have relatively easy (1 and a half steps up from "password" but not  
a whole lot more) as the setup on my router. FWIW, I have that info  
taped to the top of my router at home. If someone is already inside  
my house with evil intent (bwwaahhahaha), having my router's password  
taped to it is the least of my worries.


Len

And, no, it can not be seen from outside.

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:23 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:

> 
>> Just select the defaults of WPA2 and WPA (PSK), and TKIP & AES.
>> 
>> Choose a good passphrase mixing letters and numbers: "Hey it's sn0w1ng
>> Macintoshes outside!"
> 
> OTOH, use a passphrase which is a substring of an instance of a Gibson
> Research Corporation pseudo-random number generator output.
> 
> A single call to GRC's p-RNG will give you enough characters for:
> 
> 1) the SSID,
> 
> 2) the WPA passphrase, and
> 
> 3) the router password.

All adding vastly more complexity without increasing the security one little 
bit. In fact, nonsense like this usually REDUCES security, because it 
guarantees that the password gets written down somewhere. 

IMO, this is security theatre, not security.

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[iJohn]

Some other things you might want to consider.

- Compare your firmware version to the latest (non-beta) one available
from USR. Upgrading the firmware can fix bugs and, on occasion,
improve your Wi-Fi performance. (Not by a huge amount, but they have
been known to tweak things).

- I'll leave it for others to comment on what Wi-Fi protocols work
with the Airport in the systems you have. I expect it is 802.11b (i.e.
older and slower) but I really just don't know. As for security
protocols, I'm not sure whether you will be "forced" to use WEP or can
use WPA or WPA2. The latter are preferable, but, as Bruce said,
something is a whole lot better than nothing, even a locked screen
door.

What is available to you in terms of WEP vs WPA vs WPA2 may depend on
what version of OS X you are using. But I really don't know how Apple
implements these things.

- When you do pick a password, keep it somewhere relatively secure but
where you can find it again. If you completely loose it, it is always
possible to reset the router back to the factory default settings and
then just set things up again. But this is a hassle worth avoiding if
you can.

-irrational john

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[peterhaas]

> Just select the defaults of WPA2 and WPA (PSK), and TKIP & AES.
>
> Choose a good passphrase mixing letters and numbers: "Hey it's sn0w1ng
> Macintoshes outside!"

OTOH, use a passphrase which is a substring of an instance of a Gibson
Research Corporation pseudo-random number generator output.

A single call to GRC's p-RNG will give you enough characters for:

1) the SSID,

2) the WPA passphrase, and

3) the router password.



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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Yersinia wrote:

> So there IS an easy way to name and secure my little network? If so, I would 
> greatly appreciate it if one of you wifi locksmiths could provide me with 
> step-by-step instructions. Here is the equipment list:
> 
> Router: US Robotics MAXg, Model 5461.

USR has a nice easy-peasy tutorial here:



Just select the defaults of WPA2 and WPA (PSK), and TKIP & AES.

Choose a good passphrase mixing letters and numbers: "Hey it's sn0w1ng 
Macintoshes outside!"

Voila' all done. 

Now on each of your macs and pcs tell them to forget the connection and 
re-establish it, entering the passphrase as above.

Your old OS 9 machines may work, but 8 and 7 probably not. Use a wired 
connection for those. It means you need to be within about 100 meters (cable 
run) of the router. Unless your name is Trump, this is a limitation you're 
unlikely to reach in the typical dwelling :-)

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Re: OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Tina K.]

On 2011/04/26 12:26, Yersinia so eloquently wrote:

So there IS an easy way to name and secure my little network? If so, I
would greatly appreciate it if one of you wifi locksmiths could provide
me with step-by-step instructions. Here is the equipment list:

Router: US Robotics MAXg, Model 5461.

Computers:

1. G4 Quicksilver 867. Tiger 10.4.11. This is the one I use the most to
go online. It picksup from the downstairs router using a  Belkin 54g USB
Network Adapter/Ralink Wireless Utility driver, version 1.2.8.0u. (Note
to Kris Tilford: I saw your posts about this awhile back, but I didn't
then, and still do not need or want to upgrade it.)

2. G3/800 iBook. Tiger 10.4.11, has built in Airport. I use this to go
online a lot and may soon possibly be using it online as much or more
than the QS.

3. G4 1.5 GHz Mac Mini. Tiger 10.4.2. I usually don't go online with
this machine (it's my dedicated Sims Box), but it does have built-in
Airport and on infrequent occasions I do pop open Dashboard (to look at
the weather widget) or Safari for a quick informational surf to a Sims
forum.

4. My BF's work PC laptop (running Windoze XP) also needs to be able to
occasionally join.

There is also a small but definite possibility I may play with trying to
get my pre-OS X Macs in on it, so it would be NICE if this would work
between 7.5.5 and 9.2.2.


If you download the manual for your router it should have instructions 
for password protecting your network (or maybe you have a printed manual?).


IIRC the classic Mac OS' only support 802.11b and WEP encryption, which 
as previously mentioned is less secure than WPA but better than nothing.


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Re: Lock your doors....

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:

>> 
>> 
>> And then we throw THIS monkey wrench into the cogworks...
> 
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/26/cluster_based_steganography/

Not really applicable to stolen bandwidth, unless they're stealing your drive 
space as well to store their stuff. This is a straightforward application of 
steganography, simply applied to a somewhat larger structure than the usual one 
which is a single file.

Also this is a Reg article, an organization not well known for getting their 
facts straight or keeping their politics confined to the editorial side.

Reading the article shows that there are significant limitations to the 
technique.

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Re: Carbon copy slow on G5 PM

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 25, 2011, at 3:38 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

> Where in console do I find this info? Activity Monitor said it was using 96% 
> of the CPU's and 99% of the RAM the fans  and pumps blasted all night with 
> CPU temps above the max.

It should be right there in the system log. (click the More Logs icon to get 
there)


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OK, I'll Try This Again. Locksmith Wanted (wifi).

[Yersinia]

So there IS an easy way to name and secure my little network? If so, I 
would greatly appreciate it if one of you wifi locksmiths could provide 
me with step-by-step instructions. Here is the equipment list:


Router: US Robotics MAXg, Model 5461.

Computers:

1. G4 Quicksilver 867. Tiger 10.4.11. This is the one I use the most to 
go online. It picksup from the downstairs router using a  Belkin 54g USB 
Network Adapter/Ralink Wireless Utility driver, version 1.2.8.0u. (Note 
to Kris Tilford: I saw your posts about this awhile back, but I didn't 
then, and still do not need or want to upgrade it.)


2. G3/800 iBook. Tiger 10.4.11, has built in Airport. I use this to go 
online a lot and may soon possibly be using it online as much or more 
than the QS.


3. G4 1.5 GHz Mac Mini. Tiger 10.4.2. I usually don't go online with 
this machine (it's my dedicated Sims Box), but it does have built-in 
Airport and on infrequent occasions I do pop open Dashboard (to look at 
the weather widget) or Safari for a quick informational surf to a Sims 
forum.


4. My BF's work PC laptop (running Windoze XP) also needs to be able to 
occasionally join.


There is also a small but definite possibility I may play with trying to 
get my pre-OS X Macs in on it, so it would be NICE if this would work 
between 7.5.5 and 9.2.2.


Thanks in advance,

~Yersinia.

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Re: Lock your doors....

[Stephen Conrad]

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

> Kind of obvious advice for most folks, but they still leave the electronic
> ones open all the time.
>
> 
>
>
>  And then we throw THIS monkey wrench into the cogworks...


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/26/cluster_based_steganography/


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Re: Lock your doors....

[James E. Therrault]

On Apr 25, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> Kind of obvious advice for most folks, but they still leave the electronic 
> ones open all the time.
> 
> 



Can you say, "Wired only!"???

JT



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Re: Carbon copy slow on G5 PM

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Apr 24, 2011, at 5:19 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
> 
>> I have a G5 PM Dual 2.7 and I'm copying a 1.1 TB folder from an internal 2TB 
>> drive to an external eSATA 2 TB drive it seems as though according to the 
>> progress bar that this will take 25 hours. There must be some problem here I 
>> don't think I ever had one this slow, Is this normal?
> 
> No it isn't. Look in Console I'll bet there's lots of IO failure notices.
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> 

Where in console do I find this info? Activity Monitor said it was using 96% of 
the CPU's and 99% of the RAM the fans  and pumps blasted all night with CPU 
temps above the max.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
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Re: Lock your doors....

[Tina K.]

On 2011/04/26 10:50, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote:

On Apr 26, 2011, at 9:36 AM, iJohn wrote:


>  The only thing worse than not securing your network is the poor folks
>  who THINK they've secured it but are using WEP. To my understanding
>  WEP is getting to be so laughably easy to hack that I would expect it
>  to be the next easiest way to steal Wi-Fi.

Actually, no. Any kind of lock is good enough to make the perp aim his pringles 
can a floor lower. Why bother?


I would agree with that in general, but if all the networks within range 
of said moocher/perp are secured and they are determined to get online 
via someone else's connection they will choose the weakest link.


FWIW all the networks within range of my MP are password protected, it's 
rare that I see a private unsecured network in these parts. With a 1.5 
MBs DSL connection costing only $20 I think few people would rely on 
'borrowed' bandwidth on a regular basis unless they had something to 
hide or destitute.


Tina

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Re: Lock your doors....

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Len Gerstel wrote:

> 
> On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the article ... and I love the "ROFLMAO" ... you used it b4, and 
>>> I like it as much now as then ... although it does imply a rather personal 
>>> body part ... maybe I should change my codes again to throw off the Feds  
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> ROFLMAO
>> 
>> 
>> Why do you worry they'll think you're a communist?
>> 
>>  8-P
> 
> Thanks, Bruce. I new I could trust a non plain link from you. Not that you 
> would g*, rickroll or, god forbid, friday us.

Hey you know I'm never gonna give up, never gonna let you down 8-P

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Re: iMac G4 questions

[Tina K.]

On 2011/04/26 09:41, t...@io.com so eloquently wrote:

There were two extremely similar models of 800MHz G4, 17" iLamp.

The first one will boot into OS 9.2.  The second one will not.It's
a bit like the difference between a regular MDD and a FW800 MDD,
except harder to tell apart.

Yours is probably the first model, as it came with an 80GB hard drive,
and the later, OSX only model, came with a 60GB hard drive.   But hard
drives can be changed.

The clear distinguishing characteristic is that the OS 9 booting model
has NVIDIA GeForce4 MX graphics and the OSX only model has NVIDIA
GeForce2 MX graphics.


I had forgotten that the G4 iMacs were updated once before they added 
USB 2, thanks for the reminder.


According to Mactracker both of the USB 1 17" iMacs use the GeForce4 MX 
but the earlier one came with 32 MB of VRAM whereas the second one came 
with 64 MB VRAM.


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Re: Lock your doors....

[Len Gerstel]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Apr 26, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

Thanks for the article ... and I love the "ROFLMAO" ... you used  
it b4, and I like it as much now as then ... although it does  
imply a rather personal body part ... maybe I should change my  
codes again to throw off the Feds  ...


ROFLMAO



Why do you worry they'll think you're a communist?

 8-P


Thanks, Bruce. I new I could trust a non plain link from you. Not  
that you would g*, rickroll or, god forbid, friday us.


Len


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Re: Lock your doors....

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> Thanks for the article ... and I love the "ROFLMAO" ... you used it b4, and I 
> like it as much now as then ... although it does imply a rather personal body 
> part ... maybe I should change my codes again to throw off the Feds  ...
> 
> ROFLMAO


Why do you worry they'll think you're a communist?

 8-P

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Re: Lock your doors....

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 9:36 AM, iJohn wrote:

> The only thing worse than not securing your network is the poor folks
> who THINK they've secured it but are using WEP. To my understanding
> WEP is getting to be so laughably easy to hack that I would expect it
> to be the next easiest way to steal Wi-Fi.

Actually, no. Any kind of lock is good enough to make the perp aim his pringles 
can a floor lower. Why bother?

Yes WEP CAN be easy to crack but it's still not a no-brainer and still not a 
thing most moochers would do. 

And no, putting it on Bones or CSI (or "Law and Order: The endless supply of 
Clones", or "NCIS: The Increasingly juvenile spinoffs") will help because by my 
hasty recollections ISTR it being done several times, already, on several of 
the shows.

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Re: Lock your doors....

[iJohn]

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Yersinia  wrote:
> ... having "open" wi-fi didn't bother me at all (until recently), my wi-fi is 
> still
> unlocked because I don't know frickin HOW to lock it up.

Ignorance can truly be bliss, no doubt. As for HOW to lock it up, I'm
sure you would get guidance about that her if you just ask. But I
suggest you start a new thread if decided to do that ... and I DO
suggest you secure your network. It would help to know the make and
model number of your router if you do ask for help.

Basically, doing it by hand requires two steps, less or more. (1)
Enter and activate a password on your router and (2) go around to your
devices which use Wi-Fi and reaccess your now protected network by
entering the password on the router.  As for Wi-Fi passwords, I tend
to go overboard and use a 63 byte psuedo-random one generated by this
site:
https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm

My way of saying to world, "Hack THAT, sucker!" Most people probably
just use the name of one of their pets or children.  The
important thing is to use WPA2 or at least WPA and not use WEP. Using
WEP is a lot like locking the screen door to prevent access to your
house. It's more of suggestion to "keep out" than a true security
measure at this point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access

As for the child porn story, I first saw a version of it as an NBC
news piece. It is still viewable for the cost of an annoying
commercial on the MSNBC web site:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41985312#41985312

I would think that some of the folks on this list would find this
version of the tale interesting if for no other reason than it
exploits the infamous Pringle's can Wi-Fi antenna. It wasn't any of
this idiot's immediate neighbors. He lived in a hi-rise near/on the
water front and the guy stealing his network was on a boat a football
field or two away. But it was a completely clear line-of-site to the
victim's apartment.

The only thing worse than not securing your network is the poor folks
who THINK they've secured it but are using WEP. To my understanding
WEP is getting to be so laughably easy to hack that I would expect it
to be the next easiest way to steal Wi-Fi.

I predict that a few percent of the general public (at most) will
FINALLY take notice of this and try to secure their Wi-Fi after this
story is woven in as a sub-plot on one of the TV police procedurals.
Probably one of the CSI series, but I could see it on NCIS or Bones or
whatever too.

-irrational john

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Re: iMac G4 questions

[t...@io.com]

On Apr 24, 6:14 pm, Dan Ziegler  wrote:

> I have recently bought an iMac G4 (iLamp) off craigslist-it's the
> original 17" model (800 MHz, SDRAM, 80 GB).

Just an aside, as your main questions have already been addressed by
others...

There were two extremely similar models of 800MHz G4, 17" iLamp.

The first one will boot into OS 9.2.  The second one will not.It's
a bit like the difference between a regular MDD and a FW800 MDD,
except harder to tell apart.

Yours is probably the first model, as it came with an 80GB hard drive,
and the later, OSX only model, came with a 60GB hard drive.   But hard
drives can be changed.

The clear distinguishing characteristic is that the OS 9 booting model
has NVIDIA GeForce4 MX graphics and the OSX only model has NVIDIA
GeForce2 MX graphics.

Probably not important to you, but a bit of iLamp trivia which is easy
to overlook.   Most of the folks selling them on Ebay don't seem to
know which model they have, or even that there are two nearly
identical models with such a significant difference in capabilities.

Jeff Walther


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Re: Lock your doors....

[Bill Connelly]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Yersinia wrote:


On 4/25/11 11:21 PM, Dan wrote:

At 4:37 PM -0700 4/25/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Kind of obvious advice for most folks, but they still leave the  
electronic ones open all the time.





ROFLMAO

People here in South Jersey still leave their doors and cars  
unlocked.  Getting them to lock down their wi-fi networks?  Yea  
right.


sigh...  To make it easier to service FiOS installations, Verizon  
has been installing the ONT (Optical Network Terminal) on the  
*OUTSIDE* of homes.  Pop the door's locking screw, open its hatch,  
and you immediately have free access to that home's cat5, coax, and  
phone ports!


- Dan.


I lived in Washington DC for 15 years (79-95), and that is where I  
learned to lock my doors (not a current administration political  
statement) ... always. I still do it here back in my smallish  
hometown ... we have gang activity.


Just changed my WEP Code, (and use MAC Authentication) because here in  
the Buckle of the Bible Belt, we have the child porn issue. The  
religiosity seems to attract them, among other things. Celebrity's  
work with the Feds to catch folks, too ... although I cannot remember  
who that is at present ...


Thanks for the article ... and I love the "ROFLMAO" ... you used it  
b4, and I like it as much now as then ... although it does imply a  
rather personal body part ... maybe I should change my codes again to  
throw off the Feds  ...


ROFLMAO

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Re: Lock your doors....

[Yersinia]

On 4/25/11 11:21 PM, Dan wrote:

At 4:37 PM -0700 4/25/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Kind of obvious advice for most folks, but they still leave the 
electronic ones open all the time.





ROFLMAO

People here in South Jersey still leave their doors and cars 
unlocked.  Getting them to lock down their wi-fi networks?  Yea right.


sigh...  To make it easier to service FiOS installations, Verizon has 
been installing the ONT (Optical Network Terminal) on the *OUTSIDE* of 
homes.  Pop the door's locking screw, open its hatch, and you 
immediately have free access to that home's cat5, coax, and phone ports!


- Dan.
They leave doors and cars unlocked in rural NH also. For the whole 8+ 
years I've known him, my BF (who, incidentally, was originally from 
South Jersey but had escaped from NJ about 10 years before I met him) 
has never locked the door to his house, and only occasionally his car or 
truck -- and that was only when he was visiting me in my Sewer Rat Nest 
and I taught him he had to, at least when he was visiting ME (in 
Elizabeth NJ, where I lived for 25 years until I finally escaped from NJ 
too, with his help -- yes, horrors but I can admit it in public, now 
that I don't live there anymore).


Well, my city dwelling Sewer Rat tendencies from a quarter of a decade 
in the Sewer are such that I am a habitual door locker (i.e., apartment 
and car),  the kind who actually checks to make sure I locked the 
apartment or car, whichever applied at the time, when 
over-stressed/spaced out. In fact, soon after my escape (to a small town 
in NH) I :blush: accidentally locked myself out on the upstairs 
porch this winter when it was in the teens and had to stay out there for 
over an hour until a neighbor could rescue me.  :blush:


Ah well. Now about that wi-fi security thing. I read the article Bruce 
linked to, and this was the first I had heard of innocent people being 
accused of downloading child porn because some pervert used their 
non-secured wi-fi connection to download it. I WAS familiar with the 
concept of the "32% of all people have tried to access other people's 
wi-fi networks" thing, though, because, I will admit, when I originally 
got my iBook (summer 2007) which had Airport, and found that networks 
were showing up when I sat in my living room with it, I was occasionally 
an opportunist. Translation:


98% of the time I used my own Internet connection (dialup until I 
finally got DSL in the fall of 2009). However, every so often if I was 
on the iBook, I would try to join networks it detected just to see if I 
could. If they were secured (i.e., I got a prompt asking for a 
password), that was the end of my attempt on that network. If it wasn't 
secured and I got right on, yeah, I would use it for a few minutes. Not 
for child porn though. LOL I would use it to peek around on some of my 
Sims forums just amazed that I was able to do it at all (not to mention 
wowed by the high speed), and was too lazy to go back in the bedroom on 
the Quicksilver to use my legitimate Internet access.


BUT, and now comes the dicey part. After a few months, I had managed to 
remember the names of the secured networks and which ones I could get 
on. So occasionally on one of the monthly Sims contests I would 
participate on at some of the forums, I began to get on the iBook and 
"borrow" half an hour to maybe an hour or so to upload Sim pictures 
(challenge/contest entries) to my Photobucket account (or look at the 
other entries posted by my "competitors" on THEIR Photobucket accounts). 
That used to take me literally DAYS on my dialup account; I only had the 
patience to spend 3-4 hours at a time waiting for my uploads to go up or 
to see all the other Simmers' pictures, and I would need to upload (or 
look at) 25-50 Sim pictures per challenge/contest entry. So it would 
take me anywhere from 3 days to a week to upload my pics/look at others 
on my dialup connection, compared to an hour or maybe a little less if I 
"borrowed" a little wi-fi. So yeah, I used to do that (and no, none of 
us had any naked or otherwise inappropriate pictures of Sim children!).


Obviously, when I finally got DSL in 2009 I didn't need to do that 
anymore, and in fact, since my BF gave me a router, I was able to have 
my own little network and go online in the living room with the iBook's 
Airport legitimately. Now back then I was quite deliberate in not 
securing my network -- I had, after all, occasionally "borrowed" wi-fi 
from neighbors, and I honestly felt that leaving mine open would be 
"returning the favor" to some other neighbor who was still in the 
position I had only just gotten out of -- stuck on dialup, unable to 
afford high speed Internet.


As time went on -- a few months to almost a year -- I noticed (from my 
iBook's Airport) that networks were "disappearing" -- both ones I 
remembered as secured as well as the ones I used to "borrow" from, and 
the new ones slowly