Re: My DA G4 died.

[Frank Dutra]

Agree with Valter with regards to power supply. I'm using an ATX PC
power supply on my G4 mystic,,, higher wattage than the OEM though. I
remember it being a total rewire job tracing back all the wires (24?)
and connecting them to the correct/like voltage of the mac. Had to cut
wires since the output plugs weren't compatible between the Mac and
the ATX. It wasn't the easiest hack I've ever done, but that was 6-7
years ago and still running.

Keyboards are pretty much interchangeable but remember that the boot
process will only see USB hardwired inputs until the OS is mounted,,,
have an old microsoft one that I use when wanting to initiate special
commands during boot, ie single user mode.

On 7/29/17, Cameron Kaiser  wrote:
>> Out of curiosity I was looking at microsoft usb keyboards for cheap at
>> office max/depot whatever it is. I would
>> think this would work on a mac but it doesn't say on the box. Is this a
>> possibility?
>
> It would basically work, though some keys might be missing, and some keys
> on that keyboard might not map.
>
>> Also I was checking specs between the G4 and my old Umax S900 and they
>> both
>> use PCI cards. Would the Sonnet
>> ATA133 work in the S900. It currently has a Sonnet ATA100 and use the
>> bigger drives from the G4 in
>> the S900?
>
> Most Sonnet cards (which specific model?) do work in old beige Macs and are
> bootable in those systems, including with the classic Mac OS.
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Re: Need help installing and booting OS9 on G4 Quicksilver 2002

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If memory serves, and it often doesn't, the install disks are machine
specific. Might want to try a generic OSX disk that supports classic,
ie Panther, Tiger, and use the OS9 folder and drivers included.

On 1/17/16, Brad Wait  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I just bought a used G4 quicksilver 2002 power mac (this one:
> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1ghz_dp_qs.html).
>
>
>
> I want it to boot from OS9, and I don't really need to run OSX.  I thought
> this would be simple to set up, but apparently not.
>
> Unfortunately, I bought this used without any install CDs. For the seller's
>
> privacy, I wiped the hard disk by connecting the G4 via firewire to my OSX
> laptop, and using the latest disk utility.  This wiped any OS9 drivers from
>
> the disk. The newer OSX disk utility would not let me install the OS9
> drivers on the reformatted drives. There is no 'install OS9 drivers'
> checkbox.
>
> Two questions:
>
>
>1. IF I can find a bootable OS9 installer CD, will it install the OS9
>drivers automatically to the reformatted hard drive?  Or, will it not be
>
>able to see the drive at all when it boots up?
>2. I need help getting a bootable OS9 CD.  I found several ISOs online
>that I burned to a CD using my OSX laptop. But none of ISOs appear to be
>
>bootable on the G4.  I am stumped as to why this doesn't work. Here are
> the
>ones I have tried:
>
>
>-
>
> http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/power-mac-g4-quicksilver-2002-restore-discs
>
>   - http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2109.0
>
> Anyone have suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> -Brad
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Re: SATA PCI Card for G4 Sawtooth?

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FWIW, i've bee using a Firmtek seritek 1s2 internal card for the last
5-6 years with 1 and 2 tb  Sata 1 drives and a 3 tb WD SATA III drive.
Using a PPC Gigabit Ethernet (Mystic) running 10.4.11 . Had to
partition  the WD 3 tb into a 1 and 2 tb section  from an external
case before I could format it natively. YMMV

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> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124028
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> I'm thinking of using this SYBA SY-PCI140010 PCI card to add a SATA drive
> to my G4 Sawtooth. I have checked the SYBA site and it does have an OS X
> driver with a 2010 date. It does not say what version of OS X. Has anyone
> had any success or failure with this card? It has a SIL3124 Chipset. The
> hard drive is a 320 MB SATA II. The Sawtooth has a dual 1.25 GHz upgrade
> processor with 2 GB RAM and running 10.4.11.
>
> The Sawtooth recognizes the full 320 GB of the drive when attached via a
> USB 2.0 card or the USB 1.1 native bus using a SATA-USB adapter. I would
> rather have the drive inside the computer and be able to boot the drive
> into 10.4.11. I can't do that when connected with USB on that old G4. My
> other option is a SATA/Firewire external enclosure which should be bootable
>
> and would cost about the same.
>
> This is a temporary solution until I fix or replace my recently failed G5.
> I need to open files in Adobe CS2 and FileMaker 7 so 10.4.11 preferred,
> 10.5.8 or maybe even 10.6.8 with an Intel Mac.
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Re: Giant Sata HD bolluxes up my DA G4

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FWIW, I have been using "giant" SATA drives for the last 5-6 years 
with my 2002 G4 Mystic, which is an earlier machine than the DA. I 
currently have a Seritek 1s2 pci SATA card (2 internal ports) with a 
2tb Seagate and a 3tb Western digital mounted above the optical drive 
slot. I have also used a 4 port seritek card that I abandoned due to 
intermittent sleep issues. I believe these both were SATA I cards, 
though I have the newer SATA II and III drives, which are supposed to 
be backward compatible, and were in my case.


If I recall, certain drives had issues with the chipsets in the pci 
cards, but most were compatible. The only problem I've had was 
formatting the WD 3 tb drive, which I did with an OWC Voyager 
external firewire/usb/sata box. (Disk utility only saw 2 tb, which I 
think is the systems upper limit, thus 2tb and 1 tb partitions were 
needed). I'm stuck with a pokey 100 bus, but have still have 
experienced a noticeable improvement in performance  with these large 
capacity Sata drives, much faster than using an external firewire box 
like the Voyager.







I got a 2TB sata HD and Pata Sata converter for it to use in my DA 
G4 running 10.1.11.


It's hooked up to a 133ATA card. I have 120GB boot drive and 300GB data drive.

The computer just hangs on boot-up. The optical drive does nothing. 
Starting with the optical empty

does nothing. The computer just hangs.

It's had startup issues for some time.  It order to reboot it you 
have to use the button on the front. Same

for shutdown. I just let it run all the time.

Looks like the giant 2TB is useless for this machine and I realize 
this computer is 15 years old. Unless somebody

has some ideas.

Thanks
Mark Murphy

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Missing file and failure to launch

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This is an odd one, at least for me. I'm using two 2 tb sata drives 
behind a seritek internal card on my ancient G4 Mystic, and backing 
up (clone) via Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC) manually every two weeks or 
so. My everyday drive, WD2,  is one of 2 partitions, my backup drive 
uses none, with 10.4.11 PPC on both. I've let WD2 get a bit to full 
on occasion lately (less than 20 gb free space at times).


Safari crashes (not that unusual these days) and won't relaunch. I 
try all the usual trashing of preferences, caches, plugins, etc, 
reboot and run applejack to no avail. Then itunes won't launch. Boot 
up the backup drive and all is well there. Run disk warrior on WD2 
with no major problems found. Try replacing the offending apps from 
the backup and reboot into WD2 to no avail. Run Disk Utility to 
recheck permissions, check The Google for solutions no luck. In 
desperation and running out of time, I decide to clone over my most 
important files with CCC, leaving the Application folder and system 
files unchecked,,,  CCC won't boot. Other apps, including apples 
preview, text edit,  are still launching and working fine.


I reboot the backup and run CCC, attempting to clone over emails and 
recent work/files using WD2 as source (not recommended,,, what a 
mess!). CCC warns me and doesn't clone over system files and apps. 
When done, CCC displays an error message saying there were problems 
with the attributes of a /.vol file. I check the WD2 drive with the 
venerable FindPro and Word 5.1 (able to find and sometimes open 
invisible  files and folders), and lo and behold,  no .vol file at 
root level or anywhere else for that matter. When checking the backup 
drive I found an alias for a .vol file at root.  If I knew how to use 
the terminal or the exact nature of this .vol file/alias, I'd be 
willing to try and copy it over from my backup, but I have reached 
the upper layers of my incompetence and need the help of the 
experts Please ?


Thanks,,, be back this evening.
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Re: Browers that don't crash

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I'm running the last Safari and latest TenFourFox, using Tiger on a 
Mystic, which is a similar environment to your setup. I could try 
some sites your having issues with and see if I get similar results. 
I too have been having some stalling and crashes with sites like 
Facebook, Huffington Post, etc that are running Flash scripts in the 
background. Like in the past, it will likely be the internet that 
drives me to an upgrade rather than the hardware failing.


Frank


Sorry for the confusion.
I am running TenFourFox 17.07

On Monday, July 22, 2013 12:28:58 PM UTC-4, smac0031 wrote:

I use Firefox 17.0.7. For the past couple of months Firefox quits 
all the time. I've steadily upgraded the thing but nothing changes. 
Sometimes I give up and try Safari again, but that quits too.

I have a DA G4 running 10.4.11.
Any suggestions, preferably none that cost money.



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Re: Power Mac forum at LowEndMac.com

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Thanks to everyone who has provided feedback. We will continue to 
maintain all of our lists on Google Groups as is and add online 
forums at lowendmac.com as an additional resource.





That's great to hear, I was desperately trying to find alternatives 
to what I believed to be their demise. Thanks for keeping the mailing 
lists open, and all that you do Dan,,, a great resource.

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Re: New Forums

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On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote:


signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day & mainly saw ads.


Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads?

Mailing lists with searchable archives are superior to web forums.





Looks like the fateful day is fast approaching,,, I'll be hanging around at:



if anyone wants to know how to convert a PC ATX power supply for a 
Mystic, or other such arcane oddities. Hope to see some of my old 
friends dropping by from time to time.


Best to All, and thanks for all the fish,,,

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Re: New Forums

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On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote:


signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day & mainly saw ads.


Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads?

Mailing lists with searchable archives are superior to web forums.



Agreed, I have various list archives going back to 1993 that have 
solved most of my Mac related problems. Heck, I feel like a lot of 
people here are my trusted, respected friends that I would greet 
enthusiastically if ever to meet offlist.


WIll stay with lists for as long as possible and will only visit 
forums if help is needed.


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Re: MDD G4 Power supply recomendations?

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One by one, my MDD G4 collection has seen their power supplies fail.
It seems the exact form factor is not available as a new product, 
only used. Which is tough, as it would probably fail soon anyway.


Anyone have experience replacing these? Any advice on best model to 
fit inside the MDD case?


I bought an ATX 400W supply and waited to start the conversion 
process. Now that I tested it, it's a DOA. My mistake waiting so 
long, but though I'd ask here before throwing more money at this.





FWIW,

I put an ATX 500 Watt unit ($25 new from Amazon) in my Mystic. I'd 
say you don't need to worry about the size and mounting holes as they 
seem fairly standard/compatible, but should be concerned about the 
orientation of the power plug, fan outlet, and wiring harness. Amazon 
had several units/models to choose from. Also, ATX doesn't have the 
28 v  lead which I didn't need as I'm not using an ADC monitor. There 
may be other issues with the MDD that I'm not aware of like waking 
from sleep,,, YMMV

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Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card

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The second thought is that maybe the PSU itself isn't capable of providing
enought power for all of the components. And: warmed-up components may draw
more power.



FWIW I had the same problem when updating my Mystic to the flashed 
version of a 9800 pro card (taped pins). The general consensus found 
by browsing internet forums was that there just wasn't enough power 
in the OEM PSU (360 watt?) to handle everything (2 internal SATA, 2 
ATA drives, DVD drive, and 9800 card). This thought was reinforced by 
the fact that only one of the SATA drives would boot up, but work 
fine with the other disconnected, or with the original card 
re-installed.


As fate would have it my 10 year old OEM PSU failed shortly after 
installing the card,,, perhaps it was on it's way out anyway? Problem 
solved by replacing it with a 500 watt PC PSU, though I have had some 
intermittent sleep issues (crashes), presumably from the PC PSU not 
having a 28 volt standby voltage lead into the motherboard, which 
again presumably could be corrected by adding one independently or 
other hacks, which I haven't felt compelled to tackle.


Replacing the PSU with a PC version is not for the faint of heart as 
it involves rewiring 22 output leads to the corresponding correct 
voltage inputs on the motherboard, and possible mounting issues, and 
may not be feasible with other G4 models.



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Re: Power output problem?

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I've had a lot more connected to a G4 than a couple of drives and a
9800. My guess is that your power supply is getting marginal. After 12
years likely the capacitors in the power supply have started going.
You could recap the power supply or do an atx conversion. Another
option is to power some of the extra equipment from an external power
supply, though if your power supply is on the way out then that'd be a
short term solution


OK, so I fired up this morning and was reading my mail when I had a 
total freeze up. Rebooted (had to pull the power cord) and was 
treated to a very nice graphic of the Radeon 9800 card with a 
flashing red power plug and no startup chime,,, guess you were spot 
on Wayne. Any advice on doing an ATX conversion ? Any heat problems?


Thanks

FYI anyone else following this thread. I was able to restart after 
disconnecting my 2 internal ATA drives (have them mirrored on the 
SATAs). I of course then had to try plugging in both SATA drives and 
voilla!,,, feels good to have my backups up to date again and will 
pick up a power supply to have on hand for that fateful morning when 
the inevitable happens.


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Re: Power output problem?

[Frank Dutra]

I've had a lot more connected to a G4 than a couple of drives and a
9800. My guess is that your power supply is getting marginal. After 12
years likely the capacitors in the power supply have started going.
You could recap the power supply or do an atx conversion. Another
option is to power some of the extra equipment from an external power
supply, though if your power supply is on the way out then that'd be a
short term solution


Thanks Wayne,

If I read you right, you think lowering the overall power demand 
might help rather than just lowering the demand on the optic drive 2 
SATA drives, And 9800 circuit.
I have the original OEM 30 gb drive plus a another 40 gb ATA drive 
that I really don't need except for some older OS's,,, I'm guessing 
the power demands on the 2 ATA must be at least the power drain of 
one of the 2tb SATAs?

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Power output problem?

[Frank Dutra]

Hi all,

I may have finally hit the wall so to speak, in my attempts at 
keeping my trusty old G4 (dual 450 mystic) alive. A recent attempt to 
upgrade my video card to a flashed Radeon 9800 pro that required 
patching into the power supply via the connector cables that service 
the original cd/dvd drive (upgraded to Pioneer 106D). The original 
cable also provided an extension for plugging into an optional zip 
drive or other optical device, which I have dedicated to 2 internal 
2tb drives via a seritek pci sata card (2 port internal only). The 
Radeon video card relies on yet another jumper cable to patch into 
the optical power circuit which physically works, but I lose both 
SATA drives (won't mount) when powering up. Oddly enough, if only one 
drive is connected I am able to boot from it regardless of which 
drive it is so I doubt there are any master/slave issues. WOuld like 
to resolve this issue so I can renew backing up the SATAs and try  a 
Leopard upgrade on one. DOes anyone know if this is a voltage issue? 
The easiest fix that I see would be to disconnect the Pioneer optical 
drive  and put it in an externally powered box but I have no idea if 
that will work?  Thanks

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Re: IBM HDD clicking

[Frank Dutra]

On Jul 7, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:


yup, trash heap signals... had one do that to me... warranty?





My 2002 OEM IBM clicked for the first 2 years and caused me to put in 
another drive for backup. The clicking went away after using a drive 
utility (TechTool on OS 9 I believe) and it has been silently 
plugging away ever since. Make a backup but stay away from the trash 
heap for awhile,

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Re: Power Crunch ?

[Frank Dutra]

I didn't even notice the mention of the "Adaptec OEM SCSI PCI" until
your note made me look for it.

I also cannot see why he would keep that installed since it doesn't
appear the OP is using it??? Curious.

-irrational john



Thanks John,

I haven't used it since 2004 when a flash flood wiped out my scanner 
(this same computer had water creeping up over 4" high from the 
bottom, but somehow managed to stay pretty dry and never skipped a 
beat). I was never aware until now that a PCI card would use power 
without a device attached. Looks like I'll have a few spare parts 
after I wipe the drives.


BTW, I have been booting into Tiger solely from the 1 Tb SATA since I 
installed it with the SerTek card

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Re: Power Crunch ?

[Frank Dutra]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Frank Dutra  wrote:

 Will I be OK as far as the OEM power supply goes, and if not, would removing
 the 2 ATA drives help?


How many drives do you have? I'm only counting four.

 OEM 30 GB ATA HD
 plus additional internal 40 GB IBM ATA HD
 1 Tb Hitachi 7200 rpm  SATA drive off a 2 port internal SeriTek152 PCI card

plus the your new Western Digital 2000 GB

(I assume the 2 external drives use a separate power supply.)


The grand total would be six,  four internal and the 2 external FW 
drives self powered. Openning up the ATA drive slots/sleds would 
allow me to mount the 2 SATA drives where apple designed them to be 
which in theory, may be in a spot with optimal cooling.  Rather 
unlike  having them flopping around on top of the super drive I 
imagine. They account for less than 5 % of the 2 Tb's capacity, so I 
guess it wouldn't be that big of a loss.


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2 - external 250 gb ATA FireWire drives in OWC Oxford IDE devices
1 Tb Hitachi 7200 rpm  SATA drive off a 2 port internal SeriTek152 PCI card
Pioneer 106 (A06) DVD-R/CD-RW, driver patched for OS 9 running in Classic
2 gb ram,  22" Dell Monitor, Adaptec OEM SCSI PCI, Motorola wireless PCI

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Power Crunch ?

[Frank Dutra]

Hello all,

Moore's law seems to work in reverse,,, the more HD space I add, the 
more space I need for backup. I've just received my new Western 
Digital 2 tb "Green" drive and am impressed with it's size and weight 
and not just a little concerned about overtaxing my legacy machine's 
power supply. I also plan to upgrade my AGP OEM video card as I took 
a minor performance hit with the 22" Dell monitor.


Will I be OK as far as the OEM power supply goes, and if not, would 
removing the 2 ATA drives help?  Seems like just yesterday when I 
thought I would never need more space than those 2 combined.


Any thoughts appreciated as well as ideas on partitioning schemes. 
The 1 Tb SATA is my boot drive and has only 1 partition, which I've 
regretted occasionally.

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OEM 30 GB ATA HD plus additional internal 40 GB IBM ATA HD, various USB devices
2 - external 250 gb ATA FireWire drives in OWC Oxford IDE devices
1 Tb Hitachi 7200 rpm  SATA drive off a 2 port internal SeriTek152 PCI card
Pioneer 106 (A06) DVD-R/CD-RW, driver patched for OS 9 running in Classic
2 gb ram,  22" Dell Monitor, Adaptec OEM SCSI PCI, Motorola wireless PCI

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