Re: Giant Sata HD bolluxes up my DA G4
On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 9:34:16 PM UTC-5, smac0031 wrote: I got a 2TB sata HD and Pata Sata converter for it to use in my DA G4 running 10.1.11. It's had startup issues for some time. It order to reboot it you have to use the button on the front. Same for shutdown. I just let it run all the time. Looks like the giant 2TB is useless for this machine and I realize this computer is 15 years old. Unless somebody has some ideas. Does the PATA/SATA adapter have a jumper to set Master/Slave? You could be having Master/Slave issues. Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive
On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 10:55:31 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote: Hello all, As the subject line implies, the Superdrive in my trusty Quicksilver will no longer read DVDs. CDs appear to read ok, although burning is becoming problematic (50-50 chance of success). Can anyone suggest a replacement? The difficulty is that PATA drives are no longer manufactured and the old stock of half-height (normal optical drive sized) PATA optical drives ran out a long time ago. SATA optical drives are still available. Newegg regularly has them for less than $20, so, if there is room, you might install a SATA optical drive with a PATA to SATA adapter (some of the adapters will work in both directions). Another alternative is to get this slim PATA optical drive: http://amzn.com/B001B7XYZO This or similar slimline PATA to normal PATA adapter: http://r.ebay.com/Yy4C5d And you may need this slim-line optical drive to full-size optical drive physical adapter: http://amzn.com/B007C1KPQY The drive is slot-load, so it may not work well if you G4 has doors that need to be pushed open by a tray. Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Any one lookinbg for Clone parts
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 5:50:46 AM UTC-6, CCorsair wrote: On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 9:47:23 AM UTC-8, tr...@prismnet.com wrote: On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 6:56:09 PM UTC-6, CCorsair wrote: I have some Mac clones from the classic time . 2 power computer system a nd few Motorola power Star 4000 systems all were working but been in storage in the garage. Which Power Computing systems do you have? There are 3 Power Tower Pro 210 2 for parts one fully working There was never a Power Tower Pro 210.Are they perhaps Power Center Pro 210's? The Power Tower Pro has 6 PCI slots. The Power Center Pro has 3 PCI slots, but comes with video on board and bus speeds up to 60 MHz; the 210 MHz card runs with a 3.5X bus multiplier. Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Any one lookinbg for Clone parts
On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 6:56:09 PM UTC-6, CCorsair wrote: I have some Mac clones from the classic time . 2 power computer system a nd few Motorola power Star 4000 systems all were working but been in storage in the garage. Which Power Computing systems do you have? Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Hard Drives
On Monday, June 2, 2014 2:53:18 PM UTC-5, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Nestamicky nesta...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Most people simply go for size these days, but as Bruce and others have pointed, that could indeed be the curse. So, what tech specs must one keep in mind, folks? Sadly, for the majority of the models under discussion here the answer is ‘See if you can find a 7200 rpm drive’. These systems are cursed with obsolete technology. IDE-based SSD’s are tiny and hugely expensive, 7200 RPM drives are getting scarce, particularly for laptops, but even in 3.5” models. Adapter based solutions are very affordable and the way to go these days. The simplest is to just get an IDE to SATA converter. They're cheap and reliable and I have not read any complaints about performance. If one wants to go directly to an SSD, something like this can be useful: eshop.sintech.cn/mini-pcie-msata-ssd-to-44pin-ide-adapter-as-25ide-hdd-p-626.html Sintech Electronics PA6008B However, you'd need a 40 pin desktop to 44 pin laptop (3.5 IDE to 2.5 IDE) adapter as well. I've seen the 240 GB MSATA SSDs almost as low as the 2.5 SATA SSD (~$105) form factor. For iPods and notebooks that use 1.8 ZIF/IDE hard drives, there's a ZIF 1.8 to MSATA SSD adapter. However, if one needs to get from SCSI to SATA or IDE, the choices are not good. The SCSI to PATA/SATA adapters jumped in price a few years ago from ~$30 to $150+. Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Eudora replacement
On Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:51:37 AM UTC-6, Jay Koutavas wrote: Now that MailForge is dead, I've been pondering... How many people would be interested in a faithful reproduction of Mac Eudora 6.2? 10? 100?, 1000? I would love to see a modern email client which mimics Eudora. I've been using it since version 2.0. Default insertion points after quoted text. :-) Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: ios7 growing pains
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 3:25:06 PM UTC-5, Chance Reecher wrote: On 9/25/13 4:19 PM, Charles Lenington wrote: --You could always try a hack. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hq-a/ Seriuously. This is the way to go. You can easily get Mac Pro level performance for a third the cost. I went Hack over 4 years ago and can't see myself ever buying another Apple desktop. Their laptops, on the other hand, are worth every penny. Oh, and another great resource for this is tonymacx86.com. Great community there. I'm running 10.6 on my Dell Latitude D430. http://www.osxlatitude.com Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.
On Sunday, June 30, 2013 1:23:13 PM UTC-5, PH wrote: what i did was de-solder the faulty regulator and attached 3 wires to the 3 contacts on the board the old regulator was soldered to. then i soldered the new voltage regulator to the proper one of the 3 new wires, wrapped the contacts with electrical tape, and taped it to a spot in the monitor case where there was sufficient room. Remoting the voltage regulator is generally OK, providing: 1) the leads are short, or 2) should the leads be long, you also include stability-improving caps directly on the V.R., and 3) you encapsulate the composite assembly in heat shrink tubing. Back in the bad old days, such V.R.s were generally made in + and - 5 volts and + and - 12 volts. Today, + 3.3 volts is also to be found. The LT1086 is an adjustable voltage regulator. The voltage you get out is set by the ratio of two resistors connected to the regulator. Long wires might affect that ratio, but it shouldn't be a problem as long as the wire gauge is relatively substantial. The LT1086 was also used on the first generation PPC machines (NuBus PPC) to provide steady voltage to the PP601. Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Power Mac forum at LowEndMac.com
On Mar 13, 3:53 am, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com lowend...@gmail.com wrote: We've started the process of migrating to WordPress forums, and today I'm announcing that the Power Macs (G3-5) forum is ready to go. Please go to http://lowendmac.com/forums/forum/mac-hardware/powerpc-macs/power-mac... and create a login ID and password so you can participate. I keep getting a message that image validation does not match when it quite clearly does. I'm done. It's not worth the frustration. Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: MDD G4 Power supply recomendations?
On Feb 20, 1:43 am, No No grizzledgia...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Joe and others: There is a New York company that rebuilds/repairs the G4 MDD power supply. Just use Google to search for New York, G4 MDD, rebuild Power Supply. They want about $80 for the job. All things considered, I bet it's less time and expense to just get a rebuild as mentioned above. However, I've been wondering if these would fit or could be made to fit: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251172364599? ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Spillage on keyboard - broken beyond repair?
On Jan 17, 12:16 pm, Robert MacLeay rmacl...@gmail.com wrote: That said, I wish to insert a reality check: Even if you are successful, you will have spent a great deal of time and money, and will still wind up with a five year old keyboard. Shopping carefully, you can buy a decent used one for under $40. There are decent Mac-compatible substitutes available for less. I like the Macally IceKey, however it has been replaced by the IceKey2, priced at about $30. http://amzn.com/B0093H9EXA I have not tried the second version. I have also been happy with Matias' Mac oriented USB 2 keyboard/mouse bundles for $30 - $40, even though they are their inexpensive membrane keyboards and not their clicky keyswitch premium boards. http:// matias.ca/usb2keyboard/ The USB2 port is kind of nice, although it causes the keyboards to have two cables. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SCSI issue has arisen
On Jan 16, 12:28 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:34 PM, t...@prismnet.com wrote: Do you remember where you got them? Part number? I would dearly like to get some $5 SCA=50 pin adapters with termination. There are a bunch of 2.5 SCSI drives available now in the ~$10 range would would make nice little drives in older machines, if affordable adapters with termination could be found. I just picked some of the cheap ones off ebay from Hong Kong. A little longer shipping, but I see some right now for $2.75 each shipped. So if you are not in a hurry (I seem to remember them taking about 10 days to get to me), they are a pretty good deal. Just search for SCA 50 pin and that will get them. All the ones I see do not have termination. A close examination of the jumpers on the majority of those pictured reveals a jumper for termination power, but none for termination. Also, a close look at the photos indicates that there are no components on the board that could provide termination, even if there were a jumper. For an adapter to have termination, there must be something like resistor packs or small voltage regulators. I want to believe. But so far, I'm not seeing it. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SCSI issue has arisen
On Jan 15, 12:13 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 15, 2013, at 12:53 PM, t...@prismnet.com wrote: On Jan 13, 4:41 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: Beiges have onboard 50 pin SCSI. Just get one of the SCA to 50 pin adapters and plug into the fully supported onboard scsi on the beige. These adapters are available on ebay for under $5 shipped. I am sure you can easily beat this on the swap list. This adapters are just wiring/plug adapters with no (IIRC) electronic conversions. So they all should work with no compatibility problems. I ran many sca drives in my beiges with those adapters with never any problems. Those cheap adapter do not have any provision for termination, so it may have worked for you, but your SCSI chain was not properly configured, unless you put some other device at the end of the cable to provide termination. I agree with everything else you wrote. Sorry, all the cheap ones I purchased did have a place for a jumper for termination. And I did use multiple SCA drives in my beige G3 tower, 9600 and 9500. Do you remember where you got them? Part number? I would dearly like to get some $5 SCA=50 pin adapters with termination. There are a bunch of 2.5 SCSI drives available now in the ~$10 range would would make nice little drives in older machines, if affordable adapters with termination could be found. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SCSI issue has arisen
On Jan 13, 4:41 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: Beiges have onboard 50 pin SCSI. Just get one of the SCA to 50 pin adapters and plug into the fully supported onboard scsi on the beige. These adapters are available on ebay for under $5 shipped. I am sure you can easily beat this on the swap list. This adapters are just wiring/plug adapters with no (IIRC) electronic conversions. So they all should work with no compatibility problems. I ran many sca drives in my beiges with those adapters with never any problems. Those cheap adapter do not have any provision for termination, so it may have worked for you, but your SCSI chain was not properly configured, unless you put some other device at the end of the cable to provide termination. I agree with everything else you wrote. Also, when using a SCA to 50 pin adapter, the upper 8 bits (18 unused wires) of the wide SCA drive will not be terminated, and while it is rare, this can cause issues too. SCSI voodoo doesn't happen because it fails to work when people configure SCSI properly. SCSI voodoo happens because SCSI often still works even when it is misconfigured, and then when it stops working, folks act puzzled and call it voodoo. If you want this to be properly configured on a 50 pin bus, get SCA to 50 pin adapters which not only have provisions for termination, but which can terminate the upper byte separately from the lower byte. Then terminate the upper byte on all the drives along the chain, except the one at the end of the cable. For that one, set termination for the entire bus. For properly configured SCSI on a 68 pin bus, you can use the cheap, no termination, adapters as long as you provide termination at the end of the SCSI cable in some other fashion. LVD/SE termination blocks for 68 pin cable are commonly available. The only SCA adapters I've seen which actually have a provision for termination are $20+ (Ebay). They should be cheaper, but they're not. There's one on Amazon which has termination in the item title, but the photo shows no circuitry on the board which could be providing termination. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
On Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:00:37 PM UTC-6, pdimage wrote: On 15/12/2012 16:32, Richard Gerome onecoo...@earthlink.netjavascript: wrote: So this left me wondering why so many put this 9800 in them??? Maybe someone here can tell me why they even use this 9800 card? When I go back to NC to visit them I'm going to download Leopard on it for them... It's because the 9800 pro was just about the fastest 4x agp card you could get for a G4 - and the easiest to convert from pc to mac with little or no problems and get all the ports working fully. I think the ATI Fire GL X3 256mb AGP was faster. It may not be easier to convert. However, if you get the HP version, ATI Fire GL X3. then reports are that both DVI ports work fully as expected. There are problems with getting both ports working if one gets a regular X800 XT. The ATI Fire GL X3 is available on Ebay for less than $50. Back in April they were going for as low as $25 each. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card
On Monday, December 10, 2012 10:14:08 PM UTC-6, Valter Viglietti wrote: Speaking of which, my MDD has the 360 watt PS. I have seen that there are 400 watt units also for the MDD. Any idea why the different versions? Is the 400 watt unit just a later version, or what? AFAIK, quite the contrary: according to MacTracker, first generation MDDs had the 400W PS, subsequent versions (FW 800 and 2003) had the 360W. Perhaps the design became more power-efficient; I don't know if the two PS are interchangeable. Are we sure these are different versions and not just another example of what happened with, IIRC, the 9500/9600? In that older case, some times the input wattage of the power supply was listed. Other times the output wattage of the power supply was listed. Of course, the input wattage was considerable higher back then. This sent a number of devoted modders scurrying around hunting for the higher power supply, even though both numbers referred to exactly the same supply; the two numbers were simply describing different qualities of the same object. I notice that 360 is exactly 10% less than 400.90% efficiency is perhaps a bit high, but about in the ball park of what one would expect from a good efficient supply, so I find it believable, although not certain, that 400W is the input wattage of the MDD supplies and 360W is the output wattage of the MDD supplies. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD SCSI (pref non PCI)
On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:43:23 AM UTC-5, oli wrote: I think at this point, I will replace one of my Scope cards with an Atto SCSI adapter. I don't really know much about which adapter to go for, though Atto seems to be well regarded. Any advice on that? From memory, the SCSI maintains some level of backwards compatibility, as long as the appropriate cabling is used (eg SCSI 1 devices on SCSI 2 host). Bah. When I wrote Initio in my original message, I meant Atto. Leaky brain. The Atto cards are great, from what I've read, but ones like the UL3D and UL4D are dual ported cards. I had a UL2D and it had to be installed in a non-Bridge slot in the Umax S900 in order to work. They will work fine in one of your MDD's slots, but *might* have problems if you get an expansion chassis. As I wrote, I don't know if Apple fixed that bug after the x500/x600 PCI PowerMacs. I think that the UL4D does not have support for OS9. You'll want to check that. So the UL3D may be your best choice amongst the Atto cards. If you want a single ported card, consider the Adaptec PowerDomain 29160, but check if OS support goes late enough for you. I have this vague feeling that Adaptec stopped providing updates at some point. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD SCSI (pref non PCI)
On Aug 28, 11:43 am, Oliver Fairhall o.fairh...@gmail.com wrote: From memory, the SCSI maintains some level of backwards compatibility, as long as the appropriate cabling is used (eg SCSI 1 devices on SCSI 2 host). Thanks everyone for you help so far. Are there any suggestions for a suitable G4 with more PCI slots? Forgot a couple of questions. Yes, as far as I know all the SCSI controllers will drop back to earlier protocols if an older device is present on the bus. Some of the newer U320 SCSI drives won't, but that's probably not an issue for you in this case. The MDD has the most PCI slots you can get in a G4 PowerMac. It has four PCI slots, plus the AGP slot for the graphics card. It was a very nice machine in that way. The only way to get more PCI slots in one box would be to get a PowerMac 9500 (or 9600, or Daystar Genesis, or PowerComputing PowerTower Pro) and install a G4 upgrade. The 9500/9600 has six PCI slots. However, the 9500/9600 would have a much slower memory bus. The fastest G4 upgrade available is 800 MHz (was there a 1 GHz?). There's no AGP slot so your effective PCI slots drop to 5, because you spend one on a graphics card. There's no USB nor Firewire, so if you need those, that's another slot and you're back down to the four that the MDD has. It does have SCSI built-in, so potentially, that saves you a slot, but the faster of the two SCSI busses is only Fast SCSI (10 MB/s theoretical). The slow built-in SCSI also means that your hard drive access is slow unless you add a fast SCSI card and drives, or an ATA or SATA card, which would cost another PCI slot. Finally the built- in ethernet is 10 Mbps. So, unless you could live with all those limitations, I think the MDD has the most available PCI slots you can get. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD SCSI (pref non PCI)
On Monday, August 27, 2012 11:10:57 PM UTC-5, oli wrote: Hi, I was hoping for a SCSI adapter running from the Firewire 400 bus. Haven't found one though. These folks used to sell them: http://www.macgurus.com/store/ecom-prodshow/SCSIFR1SX.html but they're out of stock and at $140 they weren't very affordable. Still, you might be able to extract a part number and/or product name and use that as a basis for your search. PCI chassis work because the PCI specification includes a device called a PCI-PCI bridge, which is a device which sits in one PCI slot and creates up to sixteen more slots downstream of itself.Using a PCI expansion chassis should not affect the PCI performance of your other slots, however, all the cards installed in the chassis will share whatever interrupt was available in the original slot. This can sometimes be a problem. Also, on the earlier PCI Macs there is a bug in Apple's implementation which does not properly handle PCI-PCI bridges. The result is that if you have a daisy chain of bridges, (one bridge in one of the slots of another bridge) and there is more than one PCI card in the lowest bridge's slots, the Mac will freeze up when firmware for the second card tries to load. This mainly comes up if you use an expansion chassis (or Umax J700 or S900) and install a USB/Firewire combo card, or one of the video cards that looks like two PCI devices to Open Firmware, or one of the SCSI cards (most of the dual ported cards) which looks like two PCI cards to firmware. Oh, and some of the ATA cards have the same issue. Essentially, many PCI cards have what amounts to a PCI-PCI Bridge on the card (USB/Firewire combo cards literally have a PCI-PCI Bridge chip on board).So when you install one of these cards in a slot downstream of another PCI-PCI bridge, e.g. in an expansion chassis, you're creating a chain of two bridges and Apple's bug rears it's ugly frozen head. The PCI specification allows for creating several levels of PCI-PCI Bridge, so the multi-level bridge things should work, but it doesn't (or didn't) in Apple machines. I don't know if Apple fixed this firmware bug in later machines, but it was awfully persistent in earlier machines.It didn't get noticed much because not that many folks use PCI expansion chassis (the lower 4 (2) PCI slots in the Umax S900 (J700) are an expansion chassis off of the third PCI slot) and in more recent machines, the video cards are no longer PCI, and USB and Firewire are built in, so that eliminated many of the PCI cards that have two PCI devices on board. There were two later revisions of the ROM in the x500 and x600 PCI Macs and neither one did diddly to address this bug. So, you may need to avoid most of the later Initio SCSI cards, as they're all dual ported cards, which look like two PCI devices. And the Adaptec 2940U2B has the same issue, IIRC, both the Adaptec and the Apple versions. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?
On Monday, August 13, 2012 3:17:04 PM UTC-5, John Carmonne wrote: I have a G3 iMac 600 OS 9.2.2 and I need to connect it to a Quadra 650 OS 7.5.5 via Ethernet. I only need to transfer text files to and from the desk tops of the two machines, no internet or program sharing, only file sharing. I've done this in the past but I'm at a block wall on it now. I want a very simple one cable setup, anyone know how to do this? I've tried to do it with Tiger on the G3 but I get nowhere so I'm going to install OS 9 on it instead. In addition to all the other suggestions, make certain that the iMac is turned on and ethernet cable connected before you power up the Q650. If the ethernet circuitry in the Q650 doesn't see a connection fairly early in the power-on process the system won't activate the connection. This used to make getting a connection between two 68K machine with a cross-over cable loads of fun -- required booting three times between two machines. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Display Resolutions/Freq., MDD, R9000, Leopard
Andreas, thank you for the excellently detailed and informative reply. I won't have a chance to try it out before the weekend, but I wanted to post my thanks before the thread gets too stale. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Display Resolutions/Freq., MDD, R9000, Leopard
I have an MDD hooked up to an older IBM (T85A) LCD and I can't get it to display in anything other than 1152 X 870 @ 75Hz. The display supports up to 1280 X 1024, and on the exact same machine, when I boot the Tiger volume, 1280 X 1024 works fine. But in Leopard, every resolution except 1152 X 870 causes the monitor to fail to synch. The basic resolutions, 640 X 480, 800 X 600, 1152 X 870 and 1280 X 1024 are available for selection. Also a few other 1152 X ? resolutions. The frequencies other than 75 Hz are grayed out. I tried it on a different display and I get the same results, so I'm pretty sure it's not a display failure. Plus there's the part where it works fine in Tiger. Even 640 X 480 and 800 X 600 fail to work (no sync) under Leopard. The video card is a stock ATI Radeon 9000. The display is connected via VGA through a DVI to VGA adapter. I tried downloading the ATI 4.5.7 drivers and installed them, but, while I can see that it added some components, it does not seem to have affected the issue. I'm pretty sure it used to work, before I had a hard drive failure (the Tiger drive, not the Leopard drive) and started the reinstallation process. Somewhere along the way I replaced the PRAM battery and zapped PRAM and I think that's when the display choices stopped working. According to the documentation, the display supports these modes: VGA: 640x350 70Hz 640x480 60, 66 (MAC), 72, 75Hz 720x400 70Hz SVGA: 800x600 56, 60, 72, 75Hz 832x624 75Hz (Apple) XGA: 1024x768 60, 70, 75 (MAC), 75Hz 1152x870 75Hz (Apple) SXGA: 1280x1024 60, 72 (HP), 75, 76Hz (Sun) So, when I choose 640 X 480 @ 75 Hz in Leopard, it ought to sync, but it doesn't. Yet it works in Tiger. It's like nothing but the default resolution in Leopard is actually working properly. Any ideas? Thank you, Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:00:06 AM UTC-5, MaGioZal wrote: On 7/24/12 5:47 AM, Kris Tilford at ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: PatchBurn 4.0.5 can fix this issue in anything earlier than 10.5, so it really doesn't matter if the firmware says Apple or something else. PatchBurn is HIGHLY recommendable for everyone who has a non-original CD/DVD writer and run Mac OS X versions prior to 10.5. Before installing P.B. I thought my DVD writer has some kind of hardware defect because it wrote CDs, but almost always had problems in writing DVDs... Did you have problems in Toast, or just with Disk Utility? I'm having a problem with the Toshiba TS-T632 drive in my G4 Mini, but all the problems have been while using Toast, and I wouldn't think that Patchburn would affect that. I need to do some more testing, but I think the drive is history. Jeff Walther P.S. I dislike the new Google Groups interface. Blech! Newsgroups are supposed to be simple and texty, not full of CPU slowing frames and complex. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger Install Stalls, MDD, Acard 6880M, Mirrored Drives
Acard Support's suggestion worked. When I disconnected the two Master drives, the Tiger installer ran flawlessly and quickly and installed to the slave array. When I reattached the Master drives the corresponding volume worked fine with the new Tiger installation on the Slave drives. And -- the whole point of the exercise -- now whether I boot into OS9 or OSX, my mirrored arrays are both visible and accessible. I don't think any other RAID solution provides functionality across OS9 and OSX for the same array. The solution is a little kludgy, but should only be needed when one is installing a new OS (perhaps only Tiger?). So, I wish that the 6880M didn't have this problem, but it seems fairly easy to work around. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Testing HD Performance RAM In MDD Under X.4 or X.5
What do folks recommend to use to test RAM for defects in an MDD under 10.4 or 10.5. I guess I could boot into 9.2 and use the old standby, RAMometer. Also, what do folks recommend to test hard disk performance? I have here an MDD which has been working mostly trouble-free for years with 1.5 GB of RAM. I have a .5GB stick on hand I pulled from a G4 Mini and I'd like to add it, but I'm concerned that I'll screw up a good thing. No reason for my suspicion, just paranoia. So I want to test the RAM after I add the odd stick. Also, after a hard drive failure, I've finally installed a 6880M in the machine, and configured it to boot off of mirrored volumes in OS9 and 10.4 and 10.5. I'd like to compare the disk performance I'm getting now, mirrored volumes on a 6880M, to what I was getting off of singleton drives on the built-in bus. If I've taken a small performance hit, it's worth it for the redundancy. But I had to jump through enough installation hoops to get this working, that I want to confirm that it's not running at something like 25% of what a drive on the built-in would run at. I haven't noticed any substantial performance hit, so it's probably fine, but numbers are reassuring. Thanks, Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Tiger Install Stalls, MDD, Acard 6880M, Mirrored Drives
I've been banging my head against this one all week. Every time I try to install Tiger (retail DVD) to a mirrored volume on an Acard 6880M, the installation stalls at some point -- it's a different point every time. After some tens of minutes, maybe an hour, a message appears Please try to install again or something similarly terse, and the machine is locked up. Neither the menu items, nor the go back button work. I must force power off. However, Tiger installs fine to Firewire drives, or drives attached to the buit-in busses. So I think it's an Acard issue, but I don't see anything in their FAQs indicating that there is a problem, and Google searching on 6880M and Tiger hasn't turned up the spate of comments one would expect to find, if there were a problem. I sent their support an email, but I don't have high hopes because it's a product they don't market any more. I think, perhaps, I should test the mirrored volume. Is there a utility which will transfer gigabytes of data on and off the drive and report if there are any CRC errors in the process? The drive seems to be fine, and Disk Utility gives it a clean bill, but it's the only thing I can think left for me to check. Could be a cable integrity issue or some such. While I'm asking about test utilities, what is good for testing RAM on the MDD? The 1.5 GB in there has never given us a lick of trouble, but I have another .5GB stick, I'd like to install, but I want to test it thoroughly after installation. I have a single CPU 1.25 GHz MDD here with 1.5 GB of RAM. It never gave us any trouble until one of the Maxtor 250 GB drives died (a slow death with lots of time to backup, yay!). First I installed the 6880M with no drives, and updated the firmware to 2.45 (latest). I attached a pair of Seagate 400 GB drives as masters, installed the latest Acard drivers and used Disk Utlities Restore function to clone the machine's old 80 GB Leopard drive to the 400 GB mirrored volume. Now one hiccup I had after that was that when I selected the new mirrored volume in Startup Disk, it still booted from the original drive, but I removed the original drive and everything seemed okay. I mention it only for completeness. Then I installed a new pair of Maxtor 250 GB (6L250R0) drives as slaves and used the Tiger install DVD to try to install Tiger. However, every time I do, the install process stalls at some point. At first it was usually during installing Essentials; 22%, 73%, 66% were various places it stalled. But later it made it further, to print drivers, or languages, just to taunt me and suggest that this time it might work all the way through. I've tried replacing one of the cables (don't have a spare for the other cable handy), switching the Acard back to Regular/non-RAID mode and initializing the drives individually, then back to RAID mode, repeatedly installed the Acard Driver (seems to be a driver that actually goes on the disk, not in the OS), tried the install DVD in two different optical drives, and probably several things I've forgotten. Oh, yes, pulled the Acard and installed it in an OS9 machine to use the OS9 firmware update utility to confirm that the firmware really was updated. Finally, late late last night (or early this morning) I hooked up a Firewire drive, installed Tiger to that, then used Disk Utility's Restore function to clone the Firewire drive to the Maxtor mirrored volume. That will probably work, but darn-it, the Tiger DVD install should work. Any ideas? Or just funny comments. I'd settle for a laugh at this point. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger Install Stalls, MDD, Acard 6880M, Mirrored Drives
I did have a reply in my In box from Acard this morning. Kudos to them for supporting a product they no longer market! The suggestion was to disconnect the Master Array while trying to install Tiger to the Slave array which is kind of kludgy, but what the heck. I'll give it a try. At this point I'm curious. And it was awfully nice of them to respond. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/t/6962b21faa23de6
On Jun 26, 7:34 am, No No grizzledgia...@gmail.com wrote: The Acard SCSI/IDE adapter was a great choice a few years ago. However, it is no longer economical. A few years ago there's were scores of them on Ebay for $30 - $40. Now it is difficult to find one for under $150. It's just two chips and a few connectors on a tiny circuit board. I don't know why it's so darned expensive. I checked Acards' website yesterday for these very cards. They wanted $89 for an PCI-ATA adapter. Different item. Peter referred to SCSI/IDE adapter. That is an adapter into which you plug your SCSI cable at one end and an IDE drive at the other end. Acard's price on the AEC-7720U is $249. You're looking at a card which plugs into a PCI slot and provides ATA/ IDE interfaces for drives. Those, the 6280M and the 6880M are sometimes available on Ebay for about $30 - $50. The 6880M is like the 6280M, except that it supports RAID 0 and RAID 1. If you have a machine with PCI slots and one available, that's a much better choice than a SCSI/IDE adapter, but there are situations in which the SCSI/IDE adapter is the only usable choice -- although mostly not on topic for this particular discussion group; i.e. pre - PCI Macs. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fwd: Is SCSI DRIVE SAME AS UATA DRIVE?
On Jun 24, 12:42 am, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: If the budget allows, the ACARD adapter might be a better choice. Once I clocked a 78mb SCSI drive vs an 80gb ide on an ACARD adapter to see how much faster the SCSI drive was. It wasn't, the 80gb on the adapter beat the SCSI drive by a good margin. The ACARD product is available in several form factors. Also in a carrier which screws on the bottom of a 1 drive and makes it the equivalent of a full height drive, which is really one-half of the height of a 5.25 drive. The Acard SCSI/IDE adapter was a great choice a few years ago. However, it is no longer economical. A few years ago there's were scores of them on Ebay for $30 - $40. Now it is difficult to find one for under $150. It's just two chips and a few connectors on a tiny circuit board. I don't know why it's so darned expensive. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD, Gray Screen, Access Optical Drive?
On Jun 19, 2:37 pm, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote: S, looks like I'm probably at a point where I don't have a choice about replacing that hard drive(s) if I want to continue to use this machine, but how do I get the optical drive open so that I can insert an OS install disk? Holding down the mouse button when you start up doesn't work? You know, I always thought that only worked if there was a disk already in the drive. But I went home and tried it yesterday on the machine with an empty drive, and it worked. Thanks. However, after I inserted my 10.4.? disk, the machine continued to behave the same. I think I'm going to need to open it up and pull the other two IDE cables and see if that gets me past the gray screen. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD, Gray Screen, Access Optical Drive?
On Jun 19, 9:54 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: But a much simpler solution is to hold down the mouse button on start up. I think holding down the F12 key (after the start up bong) works too. The F12 key wasn't working, but the mouse button did the trick. However, the machine isn't seeing the Tiger installation disk (yes, it's the retail version, not system-specific). I'm going to try pulling the ATA-66 and ATA-100 cables next. Perhaps something in the failed drive is hanging the system. Thank you to everyone for your help and suggestions. If anyone has anything else to add, please do not hesitate. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MDD, Gray Screen, Access Optical Drive?
This 1.25GHz single processor MDD has been having problems for a few weeks. I've backed up everything on the hard drives, so that's good, but haven't had time to replace the drives, reinstall the OS's, move the files, etc. The short question is, how do I get the optical drive to open so that I can insert OS install media, given that I can't boot the machine from any of the hard drives, and there's no media currently in the optical drives? The open tray button doesn't seem to work from the gray screen the machine gets stuck at. I flipped down the mirror door, but didn't see an obvious hole for the paperclip trick. Should I look again? Okay, on to the long version. At least one of the drives, is doing the whir/clunk, whir/clunk thing some of the time, and yet, once the machine boots, it's still readable (usually). The boot volume (10.4.11) has less than a gigabyte free and occasionally throws up a message to the effect that it needs more space. There are three physical drives in the machine. The 10.4.11 volume is most of a 250 GB Maxtor drive.There's an installation of 10.5.? on an 80 GB drive. Another 250 GB drive is pure data. Last night I tried to use the machine to download a file quickly. Could not connect... Checked the Network panel and found that the IP address was self-assigned, and clicking refresh DHCP (forget exact wording) didn't help. I checked the wiring closet, and the Netgear Gigabit switch says that the MDD is connected at 10 Mbps. Weird. Forgetting the near-dead state of the hard drive(s) I decided that the machine needed a reboot. I shut down. It got to the blank blue screen with spinning wheel and just sat there for a long time, without finishing the shut down. Perhaps I should have left it alone for several hours, but I finally forced power off with the front button. After powering back on, the machine bonged nicely, and then just sat at the gray screen, with no spinning balls, nor text, nor mouse pointer. The gigabit switch indicates that there's no connection from the MDD while it's stuck at this screen. I guess the network isn't active yet. I powered off and tried booting again, holding down the option key. I figured, if nothing else I should be able to choose the Leopard volume. I get a blue screen with a little looped arrow in a rectangle on the left side, and a right pointing arrow in a rectangle on the right side, but no bootable drive icons. The mouse pointer is a wrist watch. The hands run for a while, but eventually stop and nothing else changes. Powered off again, and replaced the PRAM battery. It's at least five years old. Can't hurt? Zapped the PRAM wtih CMD-OPT-P-R at boot, but got exactly the same symptoms in a different screen resolution. :-) S, looks like I'm probably at a point where I don't have a choice about replacing that hard drive(s) if I want to continue to use this machine, but how do I get the optical drive open so that I can insert an OS install disk? I guess if worse comes to worst, I can disconnect all the drive cables, and try plugging in an external bootable volume. Sigh, I really just wanted to download one little file, extract one part of its content (DMG file) and carry it to a non-osx machine on a thumb drive. Little projects turn into big projects... Thank you for any helpful or humorous suggestions. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anyone Else Buy Powerlogix 1.0Ghz G3 From Alan Cottrill?
On Jun 6, 3:56 am, Charles Lenington macso...@brightok.net wrote: I don't see mention of this problem on the swap feedback list. Could you please point me at the Swap feedback list. I remember reading about it, and when this problem cropped up, I tried to find it, and failed. It's not a very useful feedback list, when it is so obscure that it is difficult to find, but perhaps I just critically failed my search fu that night. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anyone Else Buy Powerlogix 1.0Ghz G3 From Alan Cottrill?
On Jun 7, 8:40 am, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: A guy on Ebay pulled a scam like this on me---claimed several times to have shipped me a Mac, after all kinds of excuses for delay, the hospital one, bad weather, finally even provided a fake tracking number. But with Ebay and PayPal you can file a complaint, which I did. PayPal looked into the matter and gave me a full refund and banned the scammer from Ebay. Which is why I won't buy anything that costs more than a few dollars from any swaplist. There's no supervision and no recourse if scammed. However, if you paid this guy through PayPal, then see if they'll investigate. Otherwise you may be screwed. I've conducted hundreds, possibly thousands of transactions through lists like the Swap list and comp.sys.mac.wanted back when the news groups were the place to be -- so almost 20 years of trading now. I have experienced a higher rate of transaction failure on Ebay than I have in swap list trades. And about the same rate of satisfactory resolution. I see no reason why anyone should confine their activities to Ebay. Just be aware that occasionally a transaction will fail, and alert your fellow enthusiasts if it does. That was one of the great things about the news groups, back when they were popular. One could comment on others' offerings. Discuss buyers and sellers, etc, and there were no restrictions. It was more like a flea market. So, when you saw someone trying to sell something for $200 that you knew was available retail for $100, you could comment on it. Or, for example, when one shady outfit was selling refurbished Quadra 605 logic boards at about the time all the PRAM batteries were dying for $150 with trade-in, one could come by and mention than a $6 battery would solve the customer's problem much better than sending those jokers $150 and the logic board, so that they could install a $6 battery. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
