Re: MDD problem

[yawg]

Hello,

I just tried to start my MDD another time, this time I held down the
start button for a longer time and lo and behold, at least I got the
same situation as before. The red LED on the mobo is lit.

The last thing I did was replace the single DIMM I left in and connect
another disk. Nothing looks burnt as far as I can see. Are there more
options before I send my PSU in for an overhaul?

Thanks again, Jörg.

On 12 feb, 13:28, Baha Ata  wrote:
> no... i dont think you burned out motherboard... CUDA is not burned out
> motherboard. It is long story for my English.
>
> Yes please test if you can your PSU before you got another one...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:17 PM, yawg  wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> > Thanks for your comments and help.
>
> > When I pressed the CUDA for a couple of times, about 10 to 20 seconds,
> > there was no battery installed.
>
> > I did this only after the normal CUDA procedure (5 sec. with battery)
> > didn't work.
>
> > How can I damage the motherboard without the battery? So it might be
> > wasted money if I send my PSU in for repair? I have to get another
> > MDD??
>
> > Best regards, Jörg.
>
> > On 12 feb, 05:23, Baha Ata  wrote:
> > > it is... sometimes... you may look 3 yellow capacitors on the board... i
> > > wish to have pictures... those are rectangle plactic cover yellow
> > > collored... not big, nor small... on the mainboard... look them. any
> > burned
> > > out... generally first they burned out. on mainboard... look red light..
> > > generally if red light turns and those 3 of yellow covered mainboard is
> > ok.
>
> > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:45 PM, theleaddog  wrote:
> > > > On Feb 11, 3:54 pm, Bruce Johnson 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:55 AM, yawg wrote:
> > > > > > I removed all cards, put the video card back in, removed all RAM,
> > put
> > > > > > one RAM stick back in, removed all ATA cables exept for my startup
> > > > > > disk, removed the battery, pushed the CUDA a couple of times for 20
> > > > > > seconds, pushed the power button for 20 seconds, let the thing sit
> > for
> > > > > > half an hour or more, put the battery back in and voilá: no more
> > bong,
> > > > > > the light on the power button only stays lit as long as I push it,
> > > > > > doesn't matter how long I push it ...
> > > > > > So I managed to kill my MDD by following your suggestions?
>
> > > > > Nope, now you know it's a bad power supply. I now remember going
> > > > >though that hassle with a professors MDD about 6 months ago and
> > > > >got the identical results. Replacing the PS fixed all the problems.
>
> > > > Interesting. I had the same experience with a MDD DP 1.25 pre-2003
> > > > ($1000 at the time). Replacing the PS didn't fix it. Took it to Apple
> > > > store. Genius said the processor was shot. Replaced the processor with
> > > > a good used one...no go. Figured when it went, it took out the mobo or
> > > > vice versa so I put in another used mobo with my old processor. Nada.
> > > > Replace processor with the good used one. Ta-da! I guess both items
> > > > were toasted. :-(
>
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Re: MDD problem

[yawg]

Hi,

Thanks for your comments and help.

When I pressed the CUDA for a couple of times, about 10 to 20 seconds,
there was no battery installed.

I did this only after the normal CUDA procedure (5 sec. with battery)
didn't work.

How can I damage the motherboard without the battery? So it might be
wasted money if I send my PSU in for repair? I have to get another
MDD??

Best regards, Jörg.

On 12 feb, 05:23, Baha Ata  wrote:
> it is... sometimes... you may look 3 yellow capacitors on the board... i
> wish to have pictures... those are rectangle plactic cover yellow
> collored... not big, nor small... on the mainboard... look them. any burned
> out... generally first they burned out. on mainboard... look red light..
> generally if red light turns and those 3 of yellow covered mainboard is ok.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:45 PM, theleaddog  wrote:
> > On Feb 11, 3:54 pm, Bruce Johnson 
> > wrote:
> > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:55 AM, yawg wrote:
> > > > I removed all cards, put the video card back in, removed all RAM, put
> > > > one RAM stick back in, removed all ATA cables exept for my startup
> > > > disk, removed the battery, pushed the CUDA a couple of times for 20
> > > > seconds, pushed the power button for 20 seconds, let the thing sit for
> > > > half an hour or more, put the battery back in and voilá: no more bong,
> > > > the light on the power button only stays lit as long as I push it,
> > > > doesn't matter how long I push it ...
> > > > So I managed to kill my MDD by following your suggestions?
>
> > > Nope, now you know it's a bad power supply. I now remember going
> > >though that hassle with a professors MDD about 6 months ago and
> > >got the identical results. Replacing the PS fixed all the problems.
>
> > Interesting. I had the same experience with a MDD DP 1.25 pre-2003
> > ($1000 at the time). Replacing the PS didn't fix it. Took it to Apple
> > store. Genius said the processor was shot. Replaced the processor with
> > a good used one...no go. Figured when it went, it took out the mobo or
> > vice versa so I put in another used mobo with my old processor. Nada.
> > Replace processor with the good used one. Ta-da! I guess both items
> > were toasted. :-(
>
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Re: MDD problem

[yawg]

Hi,

I removed all cards, put the video card back in, removed all RAM, put
one RAM stick back in, removed all ATA cables exept for my startup
disk, removed the battery, pushed the CUDA a couple of times for 20
seconds, pushed the power button for 20 seconds, let the thing sit for
half an hour or more, put the battery back in and voilá: no more bong,
the light on the power button only stays lit as long as I push it,
doesn't matter how long I push it ...

So I managed to kill my MDD by following your suggestions?

I'm really sad now, not even a bong left ...

Jörg.

On 3 feb, 23:47, John Carmonne  wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
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>
>
> > On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, yawg wrote:
>
> >> But this time I didn't even get the "restart screen" again but only a
> >> bong and then nothing, both my monitors stayed dark.
>
> > The fact that you got a "bong" or chime was good. Did you try Safe boot 
> > holding the Shift key?
>
> >> I couldn't even reset the PRAM, no second bong.
>
> > Might be a keyboard issue? Something could have happened the the keyboard 
> > when you were gone?
>
> >> I tried reseating the 3 RAM-sticks, 2 512 and one 1024 MB, still no go.
>
> > If you get stuck, remove RAM to only one stick at a time.
>
> > I don't think it's likely this is a power supply problem.
>
> > You might try booting a install CD/DVD and running Disk Utility on the HD. 
> > You also might consider reinstalling the latest Combo Update if you have 
> > further problems. For certain do a Safe Boot holding the shift key because 
> > this will trash problematic cache files and get you a relatively clean 
> > start.
>
> Remove the PRAM battery and HDD's along with all the RAM including all cards. 
> Unplug all cables. Spray clean all connections with a residue free contact 
> cleaner. Wait a couple of hours then depress to CUDA switch for 15 seconds 
> then reassemble with 1 stick of ram and restart.
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda CA
> 92886 USA
> Sent from my MBP

On 10 feb, 21:00, Matevž Markovič 
wrote:
> Hy!
>
> I feel sorry for your case. I know how it feels, when your beloved computer
> seems dead. As John pointed out, CUDA is one of your last hopes.
>
> This guy herehttp://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=135390had a
> problem with his memory - he inserted the memory backwards, thus he fried
> the DIMM, but still they said that there is a hope in CUDA. If there was
> hope in his case, why should be no hope in yours?
>
> Besides, some 4 years ago, my Powerbook G3 went silent - the card holding
> the power connector and rerouting power to the logic board was damaged. I
> can still remember the scene - we, I and my friend, were trying to wake my
> PB G3 from the dead by soldering the power card. As you know, when an old
> powerbook boots, there is a long pause between the power-up and the chime,
> and one of the few ways of knowing whether your computer actually started
> was the presence of light on the keyboard or by measuring the electrical
> parameters from the power card itself, by hand.
> When we were about to give up, it finally booted. I cannot express my
> feelings, that I felt at that time, after hours of hard work and trying.
>
> Today, after 3 years, this Powerbook still runs. Therefore, there is some
> hope for your powermac G4, so do not feel sad and do not give up to early!
>
> With best wishes,
>                                         Matevž

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Re: MDD problem

[yawg]

Hi,

Today I opened my MDD (1.25 GHz 2003 model) and it uses a Samsung PSU,
those PSUs seem to go at once and when they go the home fuse goes
also ...

All fans are running, the red LED on the mainboard is lit, I get a
bong, then the disks try to initialize but stop after a while. When I
put a CD in the DVD-drive that drive also spins up for a while.

But my monitors stay dark and the keyboard is not initialized - the
green LED on the capslock key stays dark. That's why I cannot use any
key-combos at startup, no PRAM reset or Alt to change my startup disk,
no shift to do a clean start. The mouse doesn't work either because
the drive should open when I start with the mouse pressed down. I
tried two keyboards.

One time the fans revved up after the bong for a second then back to
slow. I pulled all flatcables and power supplies to the drives and
reseated them. I have 3 start volumes, two Panther and one Tiger, I
normally run Tiger from a big SATA-drive that I use with a little SATA
to PATA adapter. I already removed the PRAM-battery for quite a while,
tried a new one, pulled all the RAM and cleaned and reseated it.

So I guess it's not the PSU's fault but what do I know? This is the
first Mac I cannot get to run again after a crash, it's very
frustrating.

Regards, Jörg.


On 3 feb, 23:47, John Carmonne  wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, yawg wrote:
>
> >> But this time I didn't even get the "restart screen" again but only a
> >> bong and then nothing, both my monitors stayed dark.
>
> > The fact that you got a "bong" or chime was good. Did you try Safe boot 
> > holding the Shift key?
>
> >> I couldn't even reset the PRAM, no second bong.
>
> > Might be a keyboard issue? Something could have happened the the keyboard 
> > when you were gone?
>
> >> I tried reseating the 3 RAM-sticks, 2 512 and one 1024 MB, still no go.
>
> > If you get stuck, remove RAM to only one stick at a time.
>
> > I don't think it's likely this is a power supply problem.
>
> > You might try booting a install CD/DVD and running Disk Utility on the HD. 
> > You also might consider reinstalling the latest Combo Update if you have 
> > further problems. For certain do a Safe Boot holding the shift key because 
> > this will trash problematic cache files and get you a relatively clean 
> > start.
>
> Remove the PRAM battery and HDD's along with all the RAM including all cards. 
> Unplug all cables. Spray clean all connections with a residue free contact 
> cleaner. Wait a couple of hours then depress to CUDA switch for 15 seconds 
> then reassemble with 1 stick of ram and restart.
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda CA
> 92886 USA
> Sent from my MBP

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Re: Powermac G4 mdd dual Strange noise???

[yawg]

Hi,

> As for you, Miguel, I really hope that this has nothing to do with the
> PSU. I would rather see a hard drive fail than a PSU fail, because I
> really like this PowerMac and I think that this one is the last
> powerpc mac that I bought. Therefore, it should last long.

I also have problems with my MDD PSU and on German eBay I found a guy
who fixes both types, Samsung and Actel. He claims to revise them and
remove all weaknesses so the fixed PSU should last at least 8 more
years. He gives a 3-year warranty.The price is about 120 US$ plus
shipping. Used MDD PSUs go for about the same price on eBay and you
never know when those will fail as they are stock ones ...

I think I will go for it. Maybe there is a company in the US that does
the same thing.

Regards, Jörg.

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MDD problem

[yawg]

Hi,

Yesterday I came back home after 3 months abroad and started up my
MDD, it booted fine and I did some work and then played music from the
harddisk. Suddenly the music playback got stuck and the Mac froze. I
switched it off holding down the power button. When I started it again
I got the screen that tells you to restart in many languages (a stupid
thing - when you restart after seeing this screen the mac never
restarts, all you get is that same sceen again over and over).

But this time I didn't even get the "restart screen" again but only a
bong and then nothing, both my monitors stayed dark. I couldn't even
reset the PRAM, no second bong. Starting with the Alt button didn't
work either. After reading some old posts about the PRAM-battery
issues I bought a new battery today but still the same. I tried
reseating the 3 RAM-sticks, 2 512 and one 1024 MB, still no go.

What more can I try to get my Mac to work again? I am running mostly
Tiger and sometimes Panther if I want to use older Adobe apps. Would
this be a bad power supply?

I live in a relatively cool climate, the Netherlands, the fan of my
MDD 1.25 GHz (last model with FW 400) only speeds up sometimes when
it's very hot in the summer.

Thanks for your comments. Best regards, Jörg.

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Re: OS9 on MDD; Two Wanted Components Remain

[yawg]

If all else fails just start Toast and choose the optical drive to
open or close. Or at system startup keep the mouse button down and all
drives will open IIRC.

Regards, Jörg.

On 5 jan, 23:12, "t...@io.com"  wrote:
> On Jan 4, 11:50 pm, Todd -  wrote:
>
> > Same with me and my dual 1.25 MDD I already had the latest update fan works
> > fine on Leopard but cycles on OS 9 also have two DVD drives with no way to
> > open the secondary drive in OS 9 other than to always leave media in it so I
> > can drag it to the trash.
>
> How do you open the primary drive in OS9?
>
> Jeff Walther

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Re: MacPorts and Facebook

[yawg]

Hi,

Apparently some phishy things are going on on Facebook now. This is a
screenshot of my son's FB and normally he is my guy in the know,
sitting in front of his PeeCee almost 24/7 ...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=478584562551&set=a.44263812551.52532.610327551

Cheers, Jörg.

On 13 dec, 13:39, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" 
wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Tina K.  wrote:
> > On 2010/12/12 12:36, James Therrault so eloquently wrote:
>
> >> While I don't do social sites, I sure like Little Snitch.
>
> > You hear about Facebook's security transgressions regarding their members
> > from time to time, but Facebook's activities outside of their own domain
> > seem to get little notice.
>
> > There was a time when some people thought the only use for Little Snitch
> > was for pirating sw, but I'm sure glad to have it in this day of personal
> > information harvesting and theft.
>
> Unfortunately as CNET pointed out last November the 19th, despite people
> thinking and firmly believing their systems are sacrosanct because they are
> not Facebook members their info is most likely compromised anyway.
>
> If you are firmly secure in your web surfing in general you have nothing to
> fear from Facebook. And conversely if you are sloppy or careless you should
> not even be opening a browser.
>
> Facebook is the least of your worries.
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Re: M-Audio

[yawg]

Hi there,

> All I can say is that I hope they continue down that path. For now I'll
> be watching from the sidelines.

Same here. The drivers for my Rev. 7.1 only worked - somehow - under
Panther as did my webcam as did my Adobe "classic" apps etc. etc.

That's why I stay in Panther except for internet browsing. Under Tiger
the M-Audio drivers work barely but I cannot change certain values or
my MDD crashes. It seems to me that the Panther drivers work "better"
under Tiger than their "dedicated" half-hearted Tiger-version!
Apparently the card itself is not too bad though..

I still can't see any big pros to upgrade from Tiger. What would they
be on the last MDD that is able to boot OS9 natively?

And in the M-Audio commercials all the users have Macs! What a bad
joke.

Good luck, Jörg.

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MDD won't start after cloning

[yawg]

Hi,

I have a problem that doesn't go away. I made a startup disk with Disk
Utility, a clone because DU just copied the blocks, but that disk
won't boot my Mac. I get the login screen even though I am admin and
never see that screen normally. The same if I start up in Tiger or
Panther.

When I enter my correct name and password I am still denied access.
This is very annoying. I checked the disk and permissions but still no
go. I changed the permissions with Info to my name and still no go. I
have all security features switched of as I am the only user anyway.
What the h***?

TIA for your suggestions.

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS

[yawg]

Hi Kris,

I know all my cats ;-)

In Tiger all the older apps of Adobe don't work any more like
Illustrator and Photoshop or Acrobat. I still like Acrobat 4 for a
quick job, it starts up faster in Classic than the CS2 version in
Tiger. And I know Illustrator 9 well but find the CS2 version too
complex for my daily needs, I need it for compatibility mostly. The
same for Photoshop, I even still use version 4 sometimes, it is snappy
in Classic and I still know all the old keyboard shortcuts.

A pity Mosley stopped updating Camino for Panther. I liked that
browser until it broke because of the Flash updates.

But I realize that I have to move on even though I am 90 percent
retired now. Or just keep getting frustrated sitting at my MDD.

Maybe I'll have a go and jump to Snow Leopard by hacking my Samsung
netbook - for recent compatibility ...

Cheers, Jörg.

On 13 okt, 10:47, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Oct 13, 2010, at 3:28 AM, yawg wrote:
>
> > But in Panther I can still use all my old apps in Classic which is not
> > possible in Tiger.
>
> I don't understand this, Classic is fully supported in Tiger? Perhaps
> you're "one cat off" and mean in Tiger you can still use all your
> Classic apps but it's not possible in Leopard?
>
> > Just the fact that I am not allowed to unzip an archive I made myself
> > is quite annoying - don't you think so?
>
> Yes, this does seem strange, but also seems like a solvable software
> issue? You might want to try the 3rd party freeware utility called The
> Unachiver which can unarchive almost all formats of compressed files:
>
> <http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/22774/the-unarchiver>

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Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS

[yawg]

Hi Kris,

I know all my cats ;-)

In Tiger all the older apps of Adobe don't work any more like
Illustrator and Photoshop or Acrobat. I still like Acrobat 4 for a
quick job, it starts up faster in Classic than the CS2 version in
Tiger. And I know Illustrator 9 well but find the CS2 version too
complex for my daily needs, I need it for compatibility mostly. The
same for Photoshop, I even still use version 4 sometimes, it is snappy
in Classic and I still know all the old keyboard shortcuts.

A pity Mosley stopped updating Camino for Panther. I liked that
browser until it broke because of the Flash updates.

But I realize that I have to move on even though I am 90 percent
retired now. Or just keep getting frustrated sitting at my MDD.

Maybe I'll have a go and jump to Snow Leopard by hacking my Samsung
netbook - for recent compatibility ...

Cheers, Jörg.

On 13 okt, 10:47, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Oct 13, 2010, at 3:28 AM, yawg wrote:
>
> > But in Panther I can still use all my old apps in Classic which is not
> > possible in Tiger.
>
> I don't understand this, Classic is fully supported in Tiger? Perhaps
> you're "one cat off" and mean in Tiger you can still use all your
> Classic apps but it's not possible in Leopard?
>
> > Just the fact that I am not allowed to unzip an archive I made myself
> > is quite annoying - don't you think so?
>
> Yes, this does seem strange, but also seems like a solvable software
> issue? You might want to try the 3rd party freeware utility called The
> Unachiver which can unarchive almost all formats of compressed files:
>
> <http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/22774/the-unarchiver>

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Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS

[yawg]

Hi Brian,

Perhaps a bit OT but here we go:

I have both Tiger and Panther on my MDD on different drives. I use
Tiger for the web because my browsers can use the latest Flash version
- surfing the web is virtually broken in Panther now.

But in Panther I can still use all my old apps in Classic which is not
possible in Tiger. Plus my Logitech webcam does not work in Tiger
anymore. And so on ...

I just wanted to try Toast 8 again for DVD-burning because I had some
coasters lately when I burned DVDs in Toast 6. But probably that's not
a software issue ...

Just the fact that I am not allowed to unzip an archive I made myself
is quite annoying - don't you think so? As an old Mac user I hate to
be told by my box what I can or cannot do ;-)

Regards, Jörg.


On 12 okt, 19:14, Brian Fuelleman  wrote:
> Why not dump the unzipped file from Panther onto a flash drive and physically
> transport it to the computer that has the newer version (tiger) on it?
> If they are both on the same computer then why would you need to open the file
> in the 8 version of Toast.?  If it's just for burning, then the same unzipped
> version you would use for 6 should work for 8.
>
> ____
> From: yawg 
> To: G-Group 
> Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 8:36:06 AM
> Subject: Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS
>
> Hello,
>
> Just a little quirk I encountered in Toast. I have versions 6 in
> Panther and 8 in Tiger. Because Toast 8 would often hiccup in play
> mode, I zipped it and returned to the trusty 6 which plays just fine
> in Tiger.
>
> When I tried to unzip my version 8 again for burning DVDs my Tiger
> told me that I'm not allowed to do that. Darn!
>
> Any workaround that comes to mind here? I'm just flummoxed, not
> angry ...
>
> Thanks, Jörg.
>
> On 12 okt, 05:14, Dana Collins  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10/11/10 5:20 PM, Ted Treen of ted.tr...@btinternet.com sent
>
> > > Brian Fuelleman wrote:
> > >> Is there a way to adjust the volume on files prior to burning them to 
> > >> DVD?
> > >> I have some old VHS recordings of some classes/lessons I would like to
> > >> convert to DVD, but the audio level in the original is quite low.
> > >>  Roxio's conversion setup says that you can not alter the sound
> > >> levels, but recording stuff where it will be a major strain to pick up
> > >> the audio every time I wish to view these disks seems to be a
> > >> ridiculous choice with todays technology.
> > >> Is there a better way to go than with Roxio's software and hardware?
> > >> I want to create DVD's that I can play on any DVD player or
> > >> computer/platform (that has a DVD player).
> > >> I have Toast 10 platinum on my G5, but I also have a couple of Quick
> > >> silvers and a few older and smaller Mac's too.
>
> > > My first thought would be to convert the video to mp4, then load it into
> > > iMovie. I've hardly used iMovie, but I think it should allow you to
> > > tweak the volume level, then burn a generic video with iDVD.
>
> > > I'll look into it when I have a spare bit of time & report back.
>
> > > You'll probably see lots of definitive replies in the meantime, though.
>
> > > Ted
>
> > I too would be interested, Ted.
> > Thank you,
> > Dana
>
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Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS

[yawg]

Hello,

Just a little quirk I encountered in Toast. I have versions 6 in
Panther and 8 in Tiger. Because Toast 8 would often hiccup in play
mode, I zipped it and returned to the trusty 6 which plays just fine
in Tiger.

When I tried to unzip my version 8 again for burning DVDs my Tiger
told me that I'm not allowed to do that. Darn!

Any workaround that comes to mind here? I'm just flummoxed, not
angry ...

Thanks, Jörg.


On 12 okt, 05:14, Dana Collins  wrote:
> On 10/11/10 5:20 PM, Ted Treen of ted.tr...@btinternet.com sent
>
>
>
> > Brian Fuelleman wrote:
> >> Is there a way to adjust the volume on files prior to burning them to DVD?
> >> I have some old VHS recordings of some classes/lessons I would like to
> >> convert to DVD, but the audio level in the original is quite low.
> >>  Roxio's conversion setup says that you can not alter the sound
> >> levels, but recording stuff where it will be a major strain to pick up
> >> the audio every time I wish to view these disks seems to be a
> >> ridiculous choice with todays technology.
> >> Is there a better way to go than with Roxio's software and hardware?
> >> I want to create DVD's that I can play on any DVD player or
> >> computer/platform (that has a DVD player).
> >> I have Toast 10 platinum on my G5, but I also have a couple of Quick
> >> silvers and a few older and smaller Mac's too.
>
> > My first thought would be to convert the video to mp4, then load it into
> > iMovie. I've hardly used iMovie, but I think it should allow you to
> > tweak the volume level, then burn a generic video with iDVD.
>
> > I'll look into it when I have a spare bit of time & report back.
>
> > You'll probably see lots of definitive replies in the meantime, though.
>
> > Ted
>
> I too would be interested, Ted.
> Thank you,
> Dana

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Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS

[yawg]

Hello,

Just a little quirk I encountered in Toast. I have versions 6 in
Panther and 8 in Tiger. Because Toast 8 would often hiccup in play
mode, I zipped it and returned to the trusty 6 which plays just fine
in Tiger.

When I tried to unzip my version 8 again for burning DVDs my Tiger
told me that I'm not allowed to do that. Darn!

Any workaround that comes to mind here? I'm just flummoxed, not
angry ...

Thanks, Jörg.


On 12 okt, 05:14, Dana Collins  wrote:
> On 10/11/10 5:20 PM, Ted Treen of ted.tr...@btinternet.com sent
>
>
>
> > Brian Fuelleman wrote:
> >> Is there a way to adjust the volume on files prior to burning them to DVD?
> >> I have some old VHS recordings of some classes/lessons I would like to
> >> convert to DVD, but the audio level in the original is quite low.
> >>  Roxio's conversion setup says that you can not alter the sound
> >> levels, but recording stuff where it will be a major strain to pick up
> >> the audio every time I wish to view these disks seems to be a
> >> ridiculous choice with todays technology.
> >> Is there a better way to go than with Roxio's software and hardware?
> >> I want to create DVD's that I can play on any DVD player or
> >> computer/platform (that has a DVD player).
> >> I have Toast 10 platinum on my G5, but I also have a couple of Quick
> >> silvers and a few older and smaller Mac's too.
>
> > My first thought would be to convert the video to mp4, then load it into
> > iMovie. I've hardly used iMovie, but I think it should allow you to
> > tweak the volume level, then burn a generic video with iDVD.
>
> > I'll look into it when I have a spare bit of time & report back.
>
> > You'll probably see lots of definitive replies in the meantime, though.
>
> > Ted
>
> I too would be interested, Ted.
> Thank you,
> Dana

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PC app to play my Toast music?

[yawg]

Hi,

I have a Samsung NC10 netbook which I will take on my trip to
Thailand. I also have 400GB of Toast AIF music on my MDD which I want
to take with me on a portable USB "Icebox" HD with Firewire and USB
interface.

With what (freeware-) app can I play my Toast CDs on the netbook with
the original resolution - w/o compression? Can I make .img files off
my Toast .disc files and mount them on the Samsung like virtual CDs?

TIA, Jörg.

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SCSI PCI-controller for MDD

[yawg]

Hi,

I have problems with my SCSI-controller card, it is an Adaptec 2906.
My SCSI-Probe in OS9 sees my Microtek Scanmaker III but when I try to
use it I get all kinds of errors. Although I used the scanner before
with Microtec ScanWizard now Photoshop versions 4 and 6 tell me I have
an old driver or scanner not found. In OSX no scanner is seen anyway
so I cannot use VueScan which I would prefer as I have Adobe CS2.

So what other brand and model of SCSI-controller can you recommend
that would work in OSX Panther/Tiger and OS9?

TIA for your input.

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: MDD lost his bong after DVD-writer exchange

[yawg]

Hello Kris,

> Zap the PRAM and see if it comes back?

Of course ...

Must have been at least 15 years that I did that for the last time.
Thanks!

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Re: MDD lost his bong after DVD-writer exchange

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Hello Kris,

> Zap the PRAM and see if it comes back?

Of course ...

Must have been at least 15 years that I did that for the last time.
Thanks!

Regards, Jörg.

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MDD lost his bong after DVD-writer exchange

[yawg]

Hi all,

I just pulled the original BenQ CD-Writer in my MDD because of a tray
problem and replaced it with the trusty Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-108 from my
beige MT. Now there is no more bong at startup. I liked the bong
because it is the same as that of my good ole Quadra 840av ...

It doesn't matter if I start Panther, Tiger or OS9, no bong ever. I
checked the Sound Panel and Startup Sound pane which I use to turn
down the bong. Both are OK and I can hear the Alerts through the
internal speakers.

Any ideas anyone? TIA.

Another thing: The older Pioneer DVR-108 shows firmware revision 1.18
whereas the newer DVR-116D shows 1.09. AFAIK rev. 1.09 is the latest
region-free firmware, isn't it?

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: Recommended bootable external Firewire drives for G4 MDD Dual-1Gb

[yawg]

Hi,

> Any FW enclosure with Oxford chip set and HDD PATA will do the trick with 
> CCC. The Oxford chip enclosures will boot the Mac's with out fail 99.9% of 
> the time.
> I'm partial to the Seagate 500 GB drives in an OWC enclosure. but that's just 
> me:-)

I would go for an external case with  Oxford controller and just a
little space at the connector for a 10-dollar adapter so you can fit a
SATA hd, You can get more than a TB for the same money you pay for a
500 GB PATA drive. You just need a little adapter for about 10
dollars.

Jörg.

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Re: Oxford 924 Bridge Board Drive Size limitation

[yawg]

Hi John,

> > I just want to add that not all external Firewire HDs are bootable. I
> > have two Firewire/USB cases with Initio chipsets and those won't boot.
> > It doesn't matter if I use the USB or the FW connection.
>
> > Regards, Jörg.
>
> Yeah I run into one sometimes that has a problem booting, Have you
> tried to use the 5v power jack on it?
>
> JOHN CARMONNE

Yep, I use all my FW externals with their own power adapters.

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: Oxford 924 Bridge Board Drive Size limitation

[yawg]

Hi John,

> > I just want to add that not all external Firewire HDs are bootable. I
> > have two Firewire/USB cases with Initio chipsets and those won't boot.
> > It doesn't matter if I use the USB or the FW connection.
>
> > Regards, Jörg.
>
> Yeah I run into one sometimes that has a problem booting, Have you
> tried to use the 5v power jack on it?
>
> JOHN CARMONNE

Yep, I use all my FW externals with their own power adapters.

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Re: Oxford 924 Bridge Board Drive Size limitation

[yawg]

Hi John,

> > I just want to add that not all external Firewire HDs are bootable. I
> > have two Firewire/USB cases with Initio chipsets and those won't boot.
> > It doesn't matter if I use the USB or the FW connection.
>
> > Regards, Jörg.
>
> Yeah I run into one sometimes that has a problem booting, Have you
> tried to use the 5v power jack on it?
>
> JOHN CARMONNE

Yep, I use all my FW externals with their own power adapters.

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: Oxford 924 Bridge Board Drive Size limitation

[yawg]

Hi,

I just want to add that not all external Firewire HDs are bootable. I
have two Firewire/USB cases with Initio chipsets and those won't boot.
It doesn't matter if I use the USB or the FW connection.

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: Oxford 924 Bridge Board Drive Size limitation

[yawg]

Hi,

This is a tad OT but somehow my question might fit in.

> > I just grabbed from OWC's Garage sale a Mercury Elite Pro AL
> > Firewire 800/400/USB 2.0 dual drive enclosure. It has the Oxford
> > 924 chipset. The specs say it supports drives up to 1TB.
>
> This just means the chip set has no practical maximum, and it
> supports 1 TB, or 1.5 TB or even 2 TB.

I want to buy an external FW/eSATA/USB HD case for a friend with an
iMac. He wants it for backup and the external HD should be bootable.

The case I want to buy has the Oxford 934DSB chipset. Would this case/
HD be bootable?

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: Oxford 924 Bridge Board Drive Size limitation

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Hi,

This is a tad OT but somehow my question might fit in.

> > I just grabbed from OWC's Garage sale a Mercury Elite Pro AL
> > Firewire 800/400/USB 2.0 dual drive enclosure. It has the Oxford
> > 924 chipset. The specs say it supports drives up to 1TB.
>
> This just means the chip set has no practical maximum, and it
> supports 1 TB, or 1.5 TB or even 2 TB.

I want to buy an external FW/eSATA/USB HD case for a friend with an
iMac. He wants it for backup and the external HD should be bootable.

The case I want to buy has the Oxford 934DSB chipset. Would this case/
HD be bootable?

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: installing older software

[yawg]

Yes, and still see old hardware too, like my old SCSI-chain with my
trusty Microtek scanner ...

I never got that Adaptec PCI SCSI-card to work under OSX although I
installed the driver following the instructions. But in OS9 it still
works like a charm. I have the latest G4 MDD which Apple brought on
the market after the G5 because they realized there are a load of
users that still need native OS9 ...

I'll keep it until death does us part.

Regards, Jörg.

On 16 feb, 13:57, Lawrence David Eden  wrote:
> >I have a working Quadra 950 (33MHz 68040 !!!) equipped with the
> >standard internal floppy drive and with a SCSI cd burner I installed
> >in it. It runs OS 7.6.1 and is just the sort of thing you'll need.
>
> >Email me and I'll do it for you :-)
>
> >Are you sure you can run that old s/w on a G4?
>
> Thank for the offer, but I have some older Macs at work that might be
> able to handle the job.  As for the old software:  this is one more
> reason that I like my old G4:  I can still boot into OS 9 and run my
> old software.
>
>
>
> >--- On Mon, 2/15/10, Dale Hoffman  wrote:
>
> >>  From: Dale Hoffman 
> >>  Subject: Re: installing older software
> >>  To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> >>  Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 9:44 AM
>
> >>  On Feb 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
>
> >>  > Greetings,
>
> >>  > Here is the problem:
>
> >>  > I need to install an old music notation program onto
> >>  my Dual 500 mgz G4.  This computer does not have a disc
> >>  drive.  I have a LaCie external floppy drive that can
> >>  only read HD floppies.
>
> >>  > The software I need to install shipped on low density
> >>  discs.
>
> >>  > How do I make the installation?
>
> >>  > Larry
>
> >>  Larry,
>
> >>  Other than getting a USB floppy, you can make Disk Images
> >>  of the floppies from a computer with Disk Utility installed.
> >>  Burn the Disk Images on a CD and transfer them. Disk Images
> >>  are the equivalent of a physical volume such as hard drive,
> >>  floppy, etc. You just double click them on your desk top and
> >>  they act like a floppy.
>
> >>  Dale
>
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Re: Apple USB Extended Keyboard Extension

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Hi Mike,

> I mean the PCI USB cards can cause problems like booting with the
> keyboard plugged into them and the system may not be able to use sleep
> mode.

No, I already had a feeling like you said so my Apple stuff like kb
and mouse are always in the on-board USB-ports.

I recently had big problems after having booted into OS9 after I had
installed the latest software via the program updater in OS9. Both my
Panther partitions and my Tiger partition didn't boot anymore after
starting up with the Alt-key pressed. With my internal Tiger partition
I got a log-in screen which I never do as I'm admin. When I filled in
my proper name and password I got a denial!

I then chose my external Firewire Tiger partition in the startup
control panel in OS9 and low and behold, the darn thing started. Then
I repaired permissions on all OSX boot partitions and everything is
back to normal. Phew! Three perfectly working boot-partitions refused
to start. You can never have too much options, do you?

I have an MDD with 2 internal Panther partitions and one Tiger part.
on different drives and one Tiger on a Firewire drive which I
regularly clone to and fro plus two OS9 boot partitions ...

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: Apple USB Extended Keyboard Extension

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Hi Mike,

> I mean the PCI USB cards can cause problems like booting with the
> keyboard plugged into them and the system may not be able to use sleep
> mode.

No, I already had a feeling like you said so my Apple stuff like kb
and mouse are always in the on-board USB-ports.

I recently had big problems after having booted into OS9 after I had
installed the latest software via the program updater in OS9. Both my
Panther partitions and my Tiger partition didn't boot anymore after
starting up with the Alt-key pressed. With my internal Tiger partition
I got a log-in screen which I never do as I'm admin. When I filled in
my proper name and password I got a denial!

I then chose my external Firewire Tiger partition in the startup
control panel in OS9 and low and behold, the darn thing started. Then
I repaired permissions on all OSX boot partitions and everything is
back to normal. Phew! Three perfectly working boot-partitions refused
to start. You can never have too much options, do you?

I have an MDD with 2 internal Panther partitions and one Tiger part.
on different drives and one Tiger on a Firewire drive which I
regularly clone to and fro plus two OS9 boot partitions ...

Regards, Jörg.

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Apple USB Extended Keyboard Extension

[yawg]

Hi,

When I boot into OS9 I always get the message that the Apple USB
Extended Keyboard Extension is not found. I installed the USB Device
Extension like Apple advises on their site but I still get the
reminder every time I boot. What gives?

I'm using a white extended keybord from an older iMac, I think the one
with the half globe and the tilted TFT-display.

How can I get rid of the reminder? The keyboard seems to work OK as
does the Mighty Mouse but the scrolling ball is disabled.

Regards, Jörg.

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No more printing from Classic

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Hi,

Lately I can't print directly from Classic apps any more. Either I get
a system error -5751 (for example XPress Passport 5.0.1 ) or the app
says that printing wasn't possible because of an unknown error
(Acrobat 4.0.5a).

I can't find anything on the Apple site about that particular system
error as their list goes only up to -5553. What gives?

Now I always have to convert my XPress documents to PDF and only then
can I print them from OSX via Acrobat Destiller. This is kind of
annoying ...

Also, I have many Classic apps that simply can't generate PDF files.
Thanks in advance for your input.

Regards, Jörg.


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Re: IDE/ATA Hard drives

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Sorry people,

I don't know how my last post tripled itself.

I answered not from my mail account but from inside Google Groups, the
same way I posted my other comments. I hope this post stays single ;-)

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Re: IDE/ATA Hard drives

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Hi Andreas,

> With the adapters/converters, to connect a SATA drive to a IDE/ATA (PATA)
> controller, booting from it is not the question. It will work, because the
> SATA drive is seen as a regular IDE/ATA drive by the hardware.
>
> With a SATA PCI card, that provides the system with a number of (additional)
> SATA ports - so you can connect (additional) SATA drives to your computer -
> the problem might be that using such connected drives with an operting system
> might be possible, but booting from it might not be possible.
>
> E.g.
> You need to boot from a (native supported) IDE drive, the driver (kext in the
> case of Mac OS X) for accessing the additional SATA drives through the SATA
> PCI expansion card are then loaded, and only then accessing these additional
> drives is possible.
>
> This *could* be the case for standard PC SATA cards -- they *might* be
> supported by Mac OS X, provided the SATA chip used is supported. Advantage:
> standard SATA PCI expansion cards for PCs are generally cheaper than those for
> Macs. But since a PC version doesn't include any Open Firmware stuff, booting
> from connected drives *cannot* be possible.
>
> But, I guess that most SATA PCI cards support boot, otherwise it doesn't make
> much sense for Macs anyway.

I know most of what you explained, thank you. I wanted to get a SATA
PCI-controller myself at first but soon found out that the ones
supporting booting OSX were very expensive, I was just looking for big
cheap drives as I have a big (and growing) movie collection. So
therefore the controller card was out of the question.

Also all my PCI-slots are full, I could pull a usb-controller but
anyway ...

The adapters are small and dirt cheap and they work. There is one
jumper on them which has to be closed when the drive is in "slave"
mode, otherwise it's plug and play. The speed advantage with SATA is
only marginal with a plain vanilla PCI-controller in an 1.25Ghz MDD,
also the drives are still too slow themselves IMHO.

So I guess my advice is still the best if you just need more capacity
with no boot problems for little money. If anybody needs an external
disk, in case of Firewire or USB enclosures he should check if the
drive with the adapter still fits inside the case and - very important
- if the controller in the external case supports big disks. Most of
them don't.

Only then should one get an external SATA drive and would need a PCI-
controller with an eSATA connector. Just my 2 ¢ ...

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Re: IDE/ATA Hard drives

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Hi Andreas,

> With the adapters/converters, to connect a SATA drive to a IDE/ATA (PATA)
> controller, booting from it is not the question. It will work, because the
> SATA drive is seen as a regular IDE/ATA drive by the hardware.
>
> With a SATA PCI card, that provides the system with a number of (additional)
> SATA ports - so you can connect (additional) SATA drives to your computer -
> the problem might be that using such connected drives with an operting system
> might be possible, but booting from it might not be possible.
>
> E.g.
> You need to boot from a (native supported) IDE drive, the driver (kext in the
> case of Mac OS X) for accessing the additional SATA drives through the SATA
> PCI expansion card are then loaded, and only then accessing these additional
> drives is possible.
>
> This *could* be the case for standard PC SATA cards -- they *might* be
> supported by Mac OS X, provided the SATA chip used is supported. Advantage:
> standard SATA PCI expansion cards for PCs are generally cheaper than those for
> Macs. But since a PC version doesn't include any Open Firmware stuff, booting
> from connected drives *cannot* be possible.
>
> But, I guess that most SATA PCI cards support boot, otherwise it doesn't make
> much sense for Macs anyway.

I know most of what you explained, thank you. I wanted to get a SATA
PCI-controller myself at first but soon found out that the ones
supporting booting OSX were very expensive, I was just looking for big
cheap drives as I have a big (and growing) movie collection. So
therefore the controller card was out of the question.

Also all my PCI-slots are full, I could pull a usb-controller but
anyway ...

The adapters are small and dirt cheap and they work. There is one
jumper on them which has to be closed when the drive is in "slave"
mode, otherwise it's plug and play. The speed advantage with SATA is
only marginal with a plain vanilla PCI-controller in an 1.25Ghz MDD,
also the drives are still too slow themselves IMHO.

So I guess my advice is still the best if you just need more capacity
with no boot problems for little money. If anybody needs an external
disk, in case of Firewire or USB enclosures he should check if the
drive with the adapter still fits inside the case and - very important
- if the controller in the external case supports big disks. Most of
them don't.

Only then should one get an external SATA drive and would need a PCI-
controller with an eSATA connector. Just my 2 ¢ ...

Kind regards, Jörg.
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Re: IDE/ATA Hard drives

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Hi Andreas,

> With the adapters/converters, to connect a SATA drive to a IDE/ATA (PATA)
> controller, booting from it is not the question. It will work, because the
> SATA drive is seen as a regular IDE/ATA drive by the hardware.
>
> With a SATA PCI card, that provides the system with a number of (additional)
> SATA ports - so you can connect (additional) SATA drives to your computer -
> the problem might be that using such connected drives with an operting system
> might be possible, but booting from it might not be possible.
>
> E.g.
> You need to boot from a (native supported) IDE drive, the driver (kext in the
> case of Mac OS X) for accessing the additional SATA drives through the SATA
> PCI expansion card are then loaded, and only then accessing these additional
> drives is possible.
>
> This *could* be the case for standard PC SATA cards -- they *might* be
> supported by Mac OS X, provided the SATA chip used is supported. Advantage:
> standard SATA PCI expansion cards for PCs are generally cheaper than those for
> Macs. But since a PC version doesn't include any Open Firmware stuff, booting
> from connected drives *cannot* be possible.
>
> But, I guess that most SATA PCI cards support boot, otherwise it doesn't make
> much sense for Macs anyway.

I know most of what you explained, thank you. I wanted to get a SATA
PCI-controller myself at first but soon found out that the ones
supporting booting OSX were very expensive, I was just looking for big
cheap drives as I have a big (and growing) movie collection. So
therefore the controller card was out of the question.

Also all my PCI-slots are full, I could pull a usb-controller but
anyway ...

The adapters are small and dirt cheap and they work. There is one
jumper on them which has to be closed when the drive is in "slave"
mode, otherwise it's plug and play. The speed advantage with SATA is
only marginal with a plain vanilla PCI-controller in an 1.25Ghz MDD,
also the drives are still too slow themselves IMHO.

So I guess my advice is still the best if you just need more capacity
with no boot problems for little money. If anybody needs an external
disk, in case of Firewire or USB enclosures he should check if the
drive with the adapter still fits inside the case and - very important
- if the controller in the external case supports big disks. Most of
them don't.

Only then should one get an external SATA drive and would need a PCI-
controller with an eSATA connector. Just my 2 ¢ ...

Kind regards, Jörg.
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Re: IDE/ATA Hard drives

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Hi,

I can boot from my big SATA drives with the adapters perfectly.

Regards, Jörg.
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Re: IDE/ATA Hard drives

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Hi Mike,

I forgot: the adapter is called OEM IDE2SATA Ultra-ATA to Serial-ATA
adapter.
You can see the picture here:

http://www.nowthatsit.nl/?categorie_id=629

It's the cheapest of the four, the lower on the right.

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Re: IDE/ATA Hard drives

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Hi Mike,

I forgot: the adapter is called OEM IDE2SATA Ultra-ATA to Serial-ATA
adapter.
You can see the picture here:

http://www.nowthatsit.nl/?categorie_id=629

It's the cheapest of the four, the lower on the right.

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Re: IDE/ATA Hard drives

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Hi Michael,

> I don't think I trust the Acard adapter. I've not read many
> encouraging reviews of it.
> If I don't get the Firm Tek, I'll get the adapters.
> Are the adapters as reliable as a SATA PCI card? I think I'd rather
> get the PCI card over the adapters if I can use larger
> drives.

Get the adapters. They are small and cheap and even work both ways,
i.e. you can also attach an old PATA drive to a SATA cable. They fit
nicely in the original spaces in my MDD.

When I start up in OS9 I can't see or access those SATA drives though,
that's because they are too big for OS9 i.e. 1.5TB.

Success! Regards, Jörg.
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Re: IDE/ATA Hard drives

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Hi,

> > How long do you guys think PPC Mac users with IDE/ATA hard
> > drives have as far as being totally obsolete and finding SATA PCI
> > cards will be nigh impossible.
>
> Jump over the the LEM Swap List quickly, there's a nice SATA PCI card
> for only $45!!!

You should just get an adapter, I use two of them to connect cheap
1.5TB drives, they work like a charm. They should cost around 10
Dollars. ATA-drives are mostly 500GB max. and cost the same as much
bigger SATA-drives.

My SATA drives connected via the adapters are quieter than my ATA
drives and as fast if not faster. I use these adapters:

http://www.nowthatsit.nl/?itemtype_id=4233&categorie_id=61

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Re: IDE/ATA Hard drives

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Hi,

> > How long do you guys think PPC Mac users with IDE/ATA hard
> > drives have as far as being totally obsolete and finding SATA PCI
> > cards will be nigh impossible.
>
> Jump over the the LEM Swap List quickly, there's a nice SATA PCI card
> for only $45!!!

You should just get an adapter, I use two of them to connect cheap
1.5TB drives, they work like a charm. They should cost around 10
Dollars. ATA-drives are mostly 500GB max. and cost the same as much
bigger SATA-drives.

My SATA drives connected via the adapters are quieter than my ATA
drives and as fast if not faster. I use these adapters:

http://www.nowthatsit.nl/?itemtype_id=4233&categorie_id=61

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Re: PCI SCSI-controller and OSX

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Hi,

On Oct 14, 9:18 pm, Stewie de Young  wrote:
> Some Adaptec cards ( you don't tell us which one you have ) are supported up 
> to Panther -10.3 and Tiger - 10.4.
> I have a Sawtooth using 10.4 which has a 2906 that is connected to a Umax 
> scanner and it works fine.
> Other cards like the Adaptec 2930 and 2930CU also work with Tiger.
> The 39160 is also supposed to work with Leopard although I have never tried 
> it.
> It may be the scanner driver that is at fault.
> You could look at " Vuescan" which is a scanner driver for those unsupported 
> on OSX.
> There are other tricks too for SCSI , scanners and OSX like powering on the 
> scanner after the Mac has booted or powering on the scanner first then 
> rebooting the Mac.

I have that same 2906 card you mentioned and installed the driver from
the Adaptec support site which should work. But when I boot into OSX
with an active MOD device (turned on and a disc loaded) I get the dark
screen with that useless advice in all those languages to reboot. The
Mac will NEVER boot after that text appears if you don't fix it ;-)

I've been working with (often long) SCSI chains since 1990 and know a
thing or two, sometimes it really seemed like Voodoo. But since I used
the SCSI PowerPlug® - which lets you add and remove devices without
having to restart - I never had any more SCSI problems.

It's strange that my chain works (no matter how much devices or if
they are turned on or off) under OS 9.2.2 but won't under OSX, both
Tiger and Panther.

Yes, I have VueScan. Any more suggestions anyone?

Regards, Jörg.

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PCI SCSI-controller and OSX

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Hi,

I finally managed to boot my MDD into OS9 again and am now able to use
my old SCSI-chain, MO-drive, good ole Plextor CD-writer and my still
excellent Microtek-scanner.

The thing is I'd like to use my scanner also under OSX, I'm running
Panther and Tiger. When I open System Info I get nada under the SCSI-
header. When I click the info about the PCI SCSI-bus-controller I get
this (it's a Dutch system):

pci9004,7850:

  Type:SCSI-bus-controller
  Bus:PCI
  Sleuf:SLOT-4
  Fabrikantcode:0x9004
  Apparaatcode:0x5078
  Fabrikantcode subsysteem:0x9004
  Subsysteem-ID:0x7850
  Revisiecode:0x0003

Do I need some special drivers to get the thing to work? It's an
Adaptec card with one 25-pin SCSI-connector. I thought that the
Adaptec cards were supported under OSX ...

Or do I have to buy another card? Which one would be the best? I only
need the old slow SCSI stuff. Thanks.

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: How to block ads in Safari 3.2.1 in Leopard?

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Hi Tom,

> Jorg, I've tried other browsers besides Safari, most recently Firefox
> which I used for 18 months, and there's always something about them
> that doesn't measure up, and I always end up going back to Safari
> sooner or later. So, I've decided to stick with Safari now and just
> try to figure out some way to kill the annoying ads.

Camino isn't just another browser. After Safari I tried Firefox and
Opera but Camino is what Safari should be. In fact it's kind of Safari
but better and more compatible.

I've got the stripped-down version optimized for the latest G4 Macs.
Look here:

http://www.rpm-mozilla.org.uk/builds/camino/

I hope you know your processor ;-)

Go Thunderbirds!

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Re: How to block ads in Safari 3.2.1 in Leopard?

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Hi Peter,

Forget Safari and use Camino. Flash and Ad blockers are integrated, it
has a small footprint (26.6 MB) and as fast as it gets with browsers.
It uses the same engine as Safari and the latest version works even
with Panther. I love it.

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Re: Latest on SATA PCI for a Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz

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Hi,

I was looking for a bootable SATA PCI controller but couldn't fine
one, also most of them are not bootable anyway.

But there is a good solution out there, a simple small SATA to PATA
adapter that cost me just 9 euros. It fits on the SATA hard disk and
presto! It's just like a big fast ATA disk.

The stated 2 or 3 GB per second performance of SATA disks is
impossible anyway. That speed will only be reached in burst mode when
data is read directly from the cache of the disk and that cache is
mostly 32 MB IIRC.

Now I have an extra fast 1 TB disk for the price of a standard 500 GB
ATA one. Works for me ...

Regards, Jörg.

On Mar 7, 2:09 pm, PeterH  wrote:
> On Mar 7, 2009, at 2:51 AM, Aaron wrote:
>
> > That should be 1.5 and 3.0 Gb/sec -- gigabits, not megabytes.
>
> Yup!

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Re: Disk Utility and 1TB hard disks

[yawg]

Hi,

Disk Utility finished checking my big disk from my Panther partition.
I don't know how long it took - I left my computer on all night - but
it finished all right and found no problems.

Thank you. Regards, Jörg.

On Mar 4, 7:17 am, Aaron  wrote:
> At 19:57 -0800 2009/03/03, PeterH wrote:
>
> >The 10.4 Disk Utility works to at least 500 GB, which is the largest
> >ATA hard drive made (this may have been increased to 750 MB, but
> >it has not been increased to 1 TB and 1.5 TB as these are different
> >series drives from 750 GB).
>
> What does "different series drives" mean?
>
>  - Aaron

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Re: How can I point iTunes to a new disk?

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Hi,

I don't have a new library location, as my new big disk is only
storage as my old smaller disk was. I just want to point iTunes to the
new disk where all my music is now. It's an identical copy of all the
music on my original smaller disk. I hate to bloat my system disk with
all those files.

I followed your instructions and iTunes reworked the whole shebang but
I'm still stuck and have to point iTunes to every new track location.

What a PITA ...

Regards, Jörg.

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> - Original Message ----
> > From: yawg 
> > My disk space got claustrophobic so I installed a new 1 TB disk,
> > copied all the files from the old small one to the new one and removed
> > the old one.
>
> > Now every time I want to play a playlist in iTunes I have to tell
> > iTunes where to find every single tune. Duh ...
>
> > Is there a possibility to show iTunes the whole new disk so it won't
> > ask me every time to locate the song? I tried to select a whole bunch
> > of tracks at the same time but then I don't get the option "show in
> > Finder".
>
> > This is so tedious. There must be an easy way out ...
>
> > Also I noted that it isn't possible anymore to assign cover art to a
> > selection of tracks when the playlist is quite long. Is there a
> > maximum of tracks to a certain playlist?
>
> > The more I use iTunes the more it seems to suck.
>
> > O yeah, using iTunes ver. 7.7 (43), this seems to be the ultimate
> > version for Panther.
>
> In iTunes 7.7 (43) go to iTunes Menu>perferences>advanced, then click 
> "change" and navigate to the new library location. You probably want to 
> uncheck the box that says copy files to iTumes Music folder when adding to 
> library if the drive iTunes is located is small. Be sure the music files are 
> backup somewhere else. If you large drive fails so goes the music.
>
> Then under the File menu>Add to lLbrary (cmd O). Delete anything listed in 
> the Music library first or will end up with doubles.  --glen

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How can I point iTunes to a new disk?

[yawg]

Hi,

My disk space got claustrophobic so I installed a new 1 TB disk,
copied all the files from the old small one to the new one and removed
the old one.

Now every time I want to play a playlist in iTunes I have to tell
iTunes where to find every single tune. Duh ...

Is there a possibility to show iTunes the whole new disk so it won't
ask me every time to locate the song? I tried to select a whole bunch
of tracks at the same time but then I don't get the option "show in
Finder".

This is so tedious. There must be an easy way out ...

Also I noted that it isn't possible anymore to assign cover art to a
selection of tracks when the playlist is quite long. Is there a
maximum of tracks to a certain playlist?

The more I use iTunes the more it seems to suck.

O yeah, using iTunes ver. 7.7 (43), this seems to be the ultimate
version for Panther.

TIA for your suggestions.

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: New DVD RW running slow on PowerMac G4 Dual 450

[yawg]

Hi Ken,

I installed the Pioneer DVR-116D lately, it's a cheap fast drive. Yes
you need Patchburn if you want to burn from the Finder. But if you use
Toast for burning you'll have all the speeds available w/o Patchburn.

There is also a speedburn patch on the net so you will be able to
access faster burning speeds as well as a RPC-1 patch so your drive
won't have to switch regions.

You can update the firmware on your Mac using DVRFlash. It's a
straightforward Terminal app, just pull the (patched) firmware into
the Terminal.

I've got all the files, if you need them mail me personally.

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: Which SATA PCI adapter will work in a MDD?

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Hi Peter,

> The Initio-based adapters work well in G4 Macs. Less well in Intel Macs.
>
> Both the LaCie and OWC adapters are (were) Initio-based.
>
> The OWC adapter has switchable internal/external, and the external
> connector is indeed eSATA, just as the internal connector is indeed
> iSATA.

Today I got my Hitachi 1TB SATA disk and the ICIDU PCI SATA controller
card which has two internal and two external channels. Low & behold:
it has an Initio-chip model INIC-1620TA2 on the board. So there might
be hope that it will work in my MDD G4? And might even be bootable? No
ICIDU Mac drivers available though.

Could I try the drivers from another Initio-based SATA controller
card? What do you all reckon? It would be just wonderful ...

I'm posting this from my Gmail account and hope that there will be no
double post. I once even did a triple post accidentally. When I posted
a reply I got a time-out and refreshed the page. So the time-out
wasn't a time-out after all.

TIA for your help.

Regards, Jörg.

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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[yawg]

Eric,

I forgot to mention: I'm using my Rev. 7.1 card with the M-Audio
driver ver. 1.4.0 under the latest Panther version and ver. 1.4.1
under Tiger on my beloved MDD G4 1.25 GHz. It might be that you'll
need an earlier version of the M-Audio shitware to get your card going
under whatever version of OSX you are using. Fiddle about, fiddle
about ... (remember The Who?)

Sorry for the double posts, but who the f ... gives a s ... anyway?

Cheers, Yawg.

On Feb 5, 10:20 pm, yawg  wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
> Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
> You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
> versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
> 7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...
>
> I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
> to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
> connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.
>
> Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
> max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
> anyway ...
>
> Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
> the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
> really shines.
>
> I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
> to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
> tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
> gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
> with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
> triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?
>
> Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,
>
> Jörg.
>
> On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
>
> > I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
> > 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
> > audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
> > problems with M-Audio drivers.
>
> > I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> > keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> > card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> > anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> > (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> > Eric
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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[yawg]

Eric,

I forgot to mention: I'm using my Rev. 7.1 card with the M-Audio
driver ver. 1.4.0 under the latest Panther version and ver. 1.4.1
under Tiger on my beloved MDD G4 1.25 GHz. It might be that you'll
need an earlier version of the M-Audio shitware to get your card going
under whatever version of OSX you are using. Fiddle about, fiddle
about ... (remember The Who?)

Sorry for the double posts, but who the f ... gives a s ... anyway?

Cheers, Yawg.

On Feb 5, 10:20 pm, yawg  wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
> Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
> You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
> versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
> 7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...
>
> I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
> to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
> connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.
>
> Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
> max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
> anyway ...
>
> Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
> the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
> really shines.
>
> I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
> to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
> tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
> gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
> with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
> triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?
>
> Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,
>
> Jörg.
>
> On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
>
> > I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
> > 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
> > audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
> > problems with M-Audio drivers.
>
> > I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> > keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> > card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> > anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> > (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> > Eric
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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[yawg]

Eric,

I forgot to mention: I'm using my Rev. 7.1 card with the M-Audio
driver ver. 1.4.0 under the latest Panther version and ver. 1.4.1
under Tiger on my beloved MDD G4 1.25 GHz. It might be that you'll
need an earlier version of the M-Audio shitware to get your card going
under whatever version of OSX you are using. Fiddle about, fiddle
about ... (remember The Who?)

Sorry for the double posts, but who the f ... gives a s ... anyway?

Cheers, Yawg.

On Feb 5, 10:20 pm, yawg  wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
> Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
> You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
> versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
> 7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...
>
> I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
> to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
> connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.
>
> Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
> max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
> anyway ...
>
> Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
> the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
> really shines.
>
> I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
> to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
> tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
> gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
> with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
> triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?
>
> Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,
>
> Jörg.
>
> On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
>
> > I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
> > 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
> > audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
> > problems with M-Audio drivers.
>
> > I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> > keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> > card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> > anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> > (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> > Eric
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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[yawg]

Hi Eric,

The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...

I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.

Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
anyway ...

Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
really shines.

I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?

Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,

Jörg.

On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
> I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
> 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
> audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
> problems with M-Audio drivers.
>
> I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> Eric
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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[yawg]

Hi Eric,

The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...

I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.

Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
anyway ...

Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
really shines.

I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?

Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,

Jörg.

On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
> I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
> 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
> audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
> problems with M-Audio drivers.
>
> I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> Eric
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Re: Which SATA PCI adapter will work in a MDD?

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Hi,

> I am using a SeriTek SATA card in my MDD. It is bootable. It runs in
> PCI slots as well as PCI-X.http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1ve2plus2/

I find the SeriTek card quite expensive. It's also not clear if the
SeriTek card will work flawlessly under Panther. I'll try out the
ICIDU PCI card first but I have the feeling it won't work as I didn't
find any OSX drivers for it on the net.

I found this instead which looks very promising. The seller claims his
card is bootable under Panther:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280300384995

Thanks. Regards,

Jörg.

> On Jan 30, 2:42 pm, yawg  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I have loads of ripped DVDs and a big music archive and the four disks
> > in my MDD are almost full. Today I saw that a 1TB SATA disk costs the
> > same amount as a 500GB ATA disk so I decided to buy a big SATA disk
> > and an ICIDU PCI adapter eSATA which has two internal ports and two
> > external eSATA ports. Now I wonder if the SATA adapter will work in my
> > MDD.
>
> > Does anybody on this list know more about the ins and outs of SATA
> > adapters in Macs? Will the ICIDU work? If not which would be your
> > choice? I like one with at least one eSATA port so I can connect
> > external SATA drives. Are SATA externals bootable? I guess not ...
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Re: Which SATA PCI adapter will work in a MDD?

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Hi,

> I am using a SeriTek SATA card in my MDD. It is bootable. It runs in
> PCI slots as well as PCI-X.http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1ve2plus2/

I find the SeriTek card quite expensive. It's also not clear if the
SeriTek card will work flawlessly under Panther. I'll try out the
ICIDU PCI card first but I have the feeling it won't work as I didn't
find any OSX drivers for it on the net.

I found this instead which looks very promising. The seller claims his
card is bootable under Panther:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280300384995

Thanks. Regards,

Jörg.

> On Jan 30, 2:42 pm, yawg  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I have loads of ripped DVDs and a big music archive and the four disks
> > in my MDD are almost full. Today I saw that a 1TB SATA disk costs the
> > same amount as a 500GB ATA disk so I decided to buy a big SATA disk
> > and an ICIDU PCI adapter eSATA which has two internal ports and two
> > external eSATA ports. Now I wonder if the SATA adapter will work in my
> > MDD.
>
> > Does anybody on this list know more about the ins and outs of SATA
> > adapters in Macs? Will the ICIDU work? If not which would be your
> > choice? I like one with at least one eSATA port so I can connect
> > external SATA drives. Are SATA externals bootable? I guess not ...
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Which SATA PCI adapter will work in a MDD?

[yawg]

Hi,

I have loads of ripped DVDs and a big music archive and the four disks
in my MDD are almost full. Today I saw that a 1TB SATA disk costs the
same amount as a 500GB ATA disk so I decided to buy a big SATA disk
and an ICIDU PCI adapter eSATA which has two internal ports and two
external eSATA ports. Now I wonder if the SATA adapter will work in my
MDD.

Does anybody on this list know more about the ins and outs of SATA
adapters in Macs? Will the ICIDU work? If not which would be your
choice? I like one with at least one eSATA port so I can connect
external SATA drives. Are SATA externals bootable? I guess not ...

TIA for your comments.

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Pioneer DVR-116D Firmware flashing problem

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Hi,

After my BenQ DVD-writer wouldn't write to 16-speed DVD-Rs anymore I
bought a Pioneer DVR-116D as it is seen by Macs as a "native" drive.

I tried flashing its firmware today on the PC of a friend, the FW on
the drive was 1.04 and the latest Pioneer FW was 1.09. But the
flashing wouldn't work, the program told me to eject the disk when
there wasn't a disk in it and when we tried to flash it with the tray
out it wouldn't work either.

Anybody of you know anything about this prob? I'd also patch the FW
with MCSE to get the drive region-free. Any hints and suggestions are
very welcome. TIA.

My Mac is the latest version of the MDD running the latest versions of
Panther and Tiger with 2 gigs of RAM.

Regards, Jörg.
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Best DVD writer for an MDD?

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Hi,

My SuperDrive can't write DVD-R discs any more. When I open up its
system profile I get this (Dutch):

ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16:

  Fabrikant:ATAPI
  Model:ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16
  Revisie:  G7H9
  Serienummer:
  Schijftype:   CD-RW/DVD-RW
  Schijven branden: Niet ondersteund
  Verwijderbare media:  Ja
  Externe eenheid:  Nee
  Protocol: ATAPI
  Eenheidnummer:0
  Sockettype:   Intern

So it says that my SuperDrive doesn't support writing disks! Can
System Profiler see that my DVD-writer is defective?

What would be a good reliable new DVD-writer that will be supported in
my Mac? I have a last generation 1.25 GHz MDD running both Panther and
Tiger. Thanks for your advice.

Regards, Jörg.
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Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??

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Hi,

I have three external Firewire drives, one with an Oxford-controller
that always boots fine, there is a Tiger clone on that disk now.

My other two have Initio-controllers and used to boot my Panther
clones OK but lost that ability somehow lately, I don't know why. I
always use CCC for cloning, the older version for my Panther clones
and the newer version for Tiger. All three have no capacity limit
AFAIK.

I like the Diginote (made by CoolerMaster) Initio-enclosures a lot
though. No fiddling with little screws, no fan but good cooling, nice
look and - last not least - real cheap.

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Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??

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Hi,

I have three external Firewire drives, one with an Oxford-controller
that always boots fine, there is a Tiger clone on that disk now.

My other two have Initio-controllers and used to boot my Panther
clones OK but lost that ability somehow lately, I don't know why. I
always use CCC for cloning, the older version for my Panther clones
and the newer version for Tiger. All three have no capacity limit
AFAIK.

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though. No fiddling with little screws, no fan but good cooling, nice
look and - last not least - real cheap.

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Re: CCC Bootable Backup

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Hi guys,

> >It seems apple may be saying an APM formatted disk will work on a
> >Intell based Mac. Article HT2595 refers.
>
> >
>
> but it only works on some models.
>
> >So now I am wondering if I make a Universal drive and clone it to an
> >APM formatted XHD will it be bootable???
>
> No.  The version of OS X that gets installed on the powerpc-based Mac
> is NOT universal, and vise versa.

As I mentioned earlier I'm talking Panther and Tiger on the latest MDD
G4. "New" CCC in my case means version 3.1.2.

Thanks anyway but I'm still w/o a clue ...

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Re: CCC Bootable Backup

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Hi guys,

> >It seems apple may be saying an APM formatted disk will work on a
> >Intell based Mac. Article HT2595 refers.
>
> >
>
> but it only works on some models.
>
> >So now I am wondering if I make a Universal drive and clone it to an
> >APM formatted XHD will it be bootable???
>
> No.  The version of OS X that gets installed on the powerpc-based Mac
> is NOT universal, and vise versa.

As I mentioned earlier I'm talking Panther and Tiger on the latest MDD
G4. "New" CCC in my case means version 3.1.2.

Thanks anyway but I'm still w/o a clue ...

Regards, Jörg.
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Re: CCC Bootable Backup

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Hi Clark,

> Much of the files and folders used in booting and running the OS need to
> have Root as the owner.  Simply changing permissions to a user account
> isn't going to work.  You really need to recreate the clone with
> permissions not ignored.

I didn't change a thing. I always cloned system vols to my FW-disks
and never had an issue.

Yesterday I repaired permissions on a new clone with a Panther system,
lots of permissions were repaired but still no boot. Any chance how I
can fix the firmware on my Initio controllers? TIA.

Anyway, the Oxford-enclosure boots with any system, Panther or Tiger,
permissions ignored or not ...

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Re: CCC Bootable Backup

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Hi Clark,

> Much of the files and folders used in booting and running the OS need to
> have Root as the owner.  Simply changing permissions to a user account
> isn't going to work.  You really need to recreate the clone with
> permissions not ignored.

I didn't change a thing. I always cloned system vols to my FW-disks
and never had an issue.

Yesterday I repaired permissions on a new clone with a Panther system,
lots of permissions were repaired but still no boot. Any chance how I
can fix the firmware on my Initio controllers? TIA.

Anyway, the Oxford-enclosure boots with any system, Panther or Tiger,
permissions ignored or not ...

Regards, Jörg.
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Re: CCC Bootable Backup

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Hi billycar,

> > I checked permissions on those disks, they were set to "ignore
> > permissions" and even when I changed them to my admin account they
> > refuse to boot.
>
> When using CCC 3.4.2, if the partition with the OS on it, has "Ignore
> Permissions" checked, CCC will IGNORE permissions, not copy them, and
> the resulting clone will not be bootable.

As I said I changed permissions to my own admin account so "Ignore
Permissions" was overwritten. I said also that both Initio FW-drives
don't boot no matter what version of CCC, I use both the old and the
new one as I can only use the old version when I'm running Panther. In
Tiger I use the new version.

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Re: CCC Bootable Backup

[yawg]

Hi,

I can't contribute to this topic but I have a similar problem
concerning CCC and Firewire drives.

I used to be able to boot from all my external FW disks but now only
the one with the Oxford chip will start up, my Initio-chip FW-disks
won't boot anymore. I'm flummoxed ...

It doesn't matter if I use the old or new versions of CCC, Tiger
system volumes or Panther vols.

I checked permissions on those disks, they were set to "ignore
permissions" and even when I changed them to my admin account they
refuse to boot.

I'm quite sure they did before as I always test my fresh clones after
making them. Using the latest MDD Mac with the latest Tiger and
Panther systems.

Regards, Jörg.
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Re: OSX ate my rights!! Was: Cloning problem

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Hi all,

Sorry for the double post. I forgot about my e-mail setup and replied
directly from the Google group.

Should have replied from my G-mail account ...

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Re: OSX ate my rights!! Was: Cloning problem

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Hi all,

Sorry for the double post. I forgot about my e-mail setup and replied
directly from the Google group.

Should have replied from my G-mail account ...

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Re: Help! I Wanna Crack A Lacie FW CDRW Case

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Hi Richard,

Those photos look exactly like my Porsche brick only yours would be
bigger as it is for an optical drive ...

You will have to try to insert two small blades in the cracks of the
case (two at once on one side at the height of the feet) and then push
the bottom down a bit on that side so the little nubs will slip out of
their little grooves, then do the same on the other side and try to
shake the bottom with the drive loose from the cover/top. If I
remember right there is also a little nub/groove on the back ...

I wish you luck as it is a very fiddly undertaking. I was cursing a
lot but I got it done eventually ...

Cheers, Jörg.

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>   I posted some helpful images on my NEW Flickr Account
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/zeissfan/
>
> will get you to them.
>
> Since the case is nothing but silvers and greys, I posted B&W images
> to skimp on file size and maximize detail.
>
> Please help folks
>
> Richard
>
> On Nov 7, 11:50 am, aussieshepsrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I'll try to get something on flikr.
> > I've never used it, but it's another skill that would be handy to
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> > Richard
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> > On Nov 7, 10:50 am, Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: Help! I Wanna Crack A Lacie FW CDRW Case

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Hi Richard,

Those photos look exactly like my Porsche brick only yours would be
bigger as it is for an optical drive ...

You will have to try to insert two small blades in the cracks of the
case (two at once on one side at the height of the feet) and then push
the bottom down a bit on that side so the little nubs will slip out of
their little grooves, then do the same on the other side and try to
shake the bottom with the drive loose from the cover/top. If I
remember right there is also a little nub/groove on the back ...

I wish you luck as it is a very fiddly undertaking. I was cursing a
lot but I got it done eventually ...

Cheers, Jörg.

On Nov 7, 7:45 pm, aussieshepsrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
>   I posted some helpful images on my NEW Flickr Account
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/zeissfan/
>
> will get you to them.
>
> Since the case is nothing but silvers and greys, I posted B&W images
> to skimp on file size and maximize detail.
>
> Please help folks
>
> Richard
>
> On Nov 7, 11:50 am, aussieshepsrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'll try to get something on flikr.
> > I've never used it, but it's another skill that would be handy to
> > have.
>
> > Richard
>
> > On Nov 7, 10:50 am, Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: OSX ate my rights!! Was: Cloning problem

[yawg]

Hi Dan,

> Ok.  I'm pre-coffee... so...  18 years huh?   Then why didn't you
> bother to say that the apps themselves don't work  That does
> kindof change the WHOLE nature of the issue... 

I said literally "the programs don't work".

> >My disks seem to be fine.

> Except that you have fatal i/o error on the source and your
> destination is obviously corrupted, since apps aren't working right.

All apps work perfectly. Only about half of my classic apps stopped
working under Tiger  (like Illustrator 9 and all 3 Quark XPress
versions I use) i.e. directly after the "upgrade" they became
unavailable. Under Panther everything is still perfect.

> >What does input/output error actually mean? That the file is
> >busy when being cloned?

> No, not busy.

> It means rsync tried to read the data from the HD and it FAILED.  The
> hard drive refused to provide the data because of a FATAL error.
> Either the hard drive had a controller problem or the the data blocks
> involved have become unreadable.  Further details might be available
> in your system log.

In between I did a file-level clone with the new CCC under Tiger and
everything went well. So perhaps the old CCC app had some bugs?

> >Can I just look up the BootX file on an installer CD and replace the
> >flaky one with that?

> IFF (If and ONLY if) it's just those files or directories involved,
> then yes.  BUT given your other issues, I'm wondering what else has
> died on that drive.

The error occurred always only on the BootX-file. Before the error
occurred I was successfully cloning both my drives twice a week w/o
any errors. The few other problems I had before (CCC just stopped
cloning) were probably caused because in the beginning I was cloning
in the background thus actually changing the drive I was cloning ...

But now comes the clincher: When I was busy replacing the BootX file
from an older Panther clone on a FireWire drive I accidentally put the
CoreServices folder in the trash (command-backspace). I meant the
BootX file but the folder was highlighted.

How is that possible anyway? The owner of CoreServices is/was system,
I'm only the humble admin ...

And then I couldn't get the darn thing out of the trash again - no
permissions! Wow!! OSX let me trash an absolutely essential folder but
I can't retrieve it again. What a PITA ...

Some bad blocks huh? Better get a new drive. What happened to SMART
anyway? That's supposed to warn me when my drive gets flaky or not?
DiskUtility tells me that SMART was checked. So my SMART went DUMB on
me ...

I probably have still warranty on that Western Digital drive but I
won't get a new drive with this "hazy" story I guess. How do you kill
a drive w/o visible destruction on the outside? ;-)

After my original boot volume was thus crippled I tried to start
(restarted with the alt-key) from the clone on the other drive (that
system partition booted perfectly before) and that gave me the darn
message in three languages to restart my computer. This is the most
stupid message of OSX I know because a simple restart will never help!
They should add that you will have to push the alt-key when restarting
and choose another drive to start up from. If you have one that is ...

So I still had a bootable Tiger volume left and started up from that.
Then I replaced the BootX file in the CoreServices folder of my clone
that wouldn't start (still can't figure out why) with that from the
external and copied that folder to the crippled volume. Then I
restarted from that volume and all was hunky dory again. But it gave
me a bit of a scare I can tell you.

As you can see having three boot volumes isn't a luxury sometimes ...

Regards, Jörg.

On Nov 7, 4:54 pm, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 3:38 AM -0800 11/7/2008, yawg wrote:
>
> Please remember to BOTTOM post and TRIM on these LEM lists.
> It makes tracking support issues MUCH easier.
>
> >I know about aliases, have been working with Macs for 18 years. The
> >question marks aside the  apps themselves don't work when I open
> >them in ther real folders.
>
> Ok.  I'm pre-coffee... so...  18 years huh?   Then why didn't you
> bother to say that the apps themselves don't work  That does
> kindof change the WHOLE nature of the issue... 
>
> >My disks seem to be fine.
>
> Except that you have fatal i/o error on the source and your
> destination is obviously corrupted, since apps aren't working right.
>
> >What does input/output error actually mean? That the file is
> >busy when being cloned?
>
> No, not busy.
>
> It means rsync tried to read the data from the HD and it FAILED.  The
> hard drive refused to provide the data because of a FATAL error.
> Either the hard dr

Re: OSX ate my rights!! Was: Cloning problem

[yawg]

Hi Dan,

> Ok.  I'm pre-coffee... so...  18 years huh?   Then why didn't you
> bother to say that the apps themselves don't work  That does
> kindof change the WHOLE nature of the issue... 

I said literally "the programs don't work".

> >My disks seem to be fine.

> Except that you have fatal i/o error on the source and your
> destination is obviously corrupted, since apps aren't working right.

All apps work perfectly. Only about half of my classic apps stopped
working under Tiger  (like Illustrator 9 and all 3 Quark XPress
versions I use) i.e. directly after the "upgrade" they became
unavailable. Under Panther everything is still perfect.

> >What does input/output error actually mean? That the file is
> >busy when being cloned?

> No, not busy.

> It means rsync tried to read the data from the HD and it FAILED.  The
> hard drive refused to provide the data because of a FATAL error.
> Either the hard drive had a controller problem or the the data blocks
> involved have become unreadable.  Further details might be available
> in your system log.

In between I did a file-level clone with the new CCC under Tiger and
everything went well. So perhaps the old CCC app had some bugs?

> >Can I just look up the BootX file on an installer CD and replace the
> >flaky one with that?

> IFF (If and ONLY if) it's just those files or directories involved,
> then yes.  BUT given your other issues, I'm wondering what else has
> died on that drive.

The error occurred always only on the BootX-file. Before the error
occurred I was successfully cloning both my drives twice a week w/o
any errors. The few other problems I had before (CCC just stopped
cloning) were probably caused because in the beginning I was cloning
in the background thus actually changing the drive I was cloning ...

But now comes the clincher: When I was busy replacing the BootX file
from an older Panther clone on a FireWire drive I accidentally put the
CoreServices folder in the trash (command-backspace). I meant the
BootX file but the folder was highlighted.

How is that possible anyway? The owner of CoreServices is/was system,
I'm only the humble admin ...

And then I couldn't get the darn thing out of the trash again - no
permissions! Wow!! OSX let me trash an absolutely essential folder but
I can't retrieve it again. What a PITA ...

Some bad blocks huh? Better get a new drive. What happened to SMART
anyway? That's supposed to warn me when my drive gets flaky or not?
DiskUtility tells me that SMART was checked. So my SMART went DUMB on
me ...

I probably have still warranty on that Western Digital drive but I
won't get a new drive with this "hazy" story I guess. How do you kill
a drive w/o visible destruction on the outside? ;-)

After my original boot volume was thus crippled I tried to start
(restarted with the alt-key) from the clone on the other drive (that
system partition booted perfectly before) and that gave me the darn
message in three languages to restart my computer. This is the most
stupid message of OSX I know because a simple restart will never help!
They should add that you will have to push the alt-key when restarting
and choose another drive to start up from. If you have one that is ...

So I still had a bootable Tiger volume left and started up from that.
Then I replaced the BootX file in the CoreServices folder of my clone
that wouldn't start (still can't figure out why) with that from the
external and copied that folder to the crippled volume. Then I
restarted from that volume and all was hunky dory again. But it gave
me a bit of a scare I can tell you.

As you can see having three boot volumes isn't a luxury sometimes ...

Regards, Jörg.

On Nov 7, 4:54 pm, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 3:38 AM -0800 11/7/2008, yawg wrote:
>
> Please remember to BOTTOM post and TRIM on these LEM lists.
> It makes tracking support issues MUCH easier.
>
> >I know about aliases, have been working with Macs for 18 years. The
> >question marks aside the  apps themselves don't work when I open
> >them in ther real folders.
>
> Ok.  I'm pre-coffee... so...  18 years huh?   Then why didn't you
> bother to say that the apps themselves don't work  That does
> kindof change the WHOLE nature of the issue... 
>
> >My disks seem to be fine.
>
> Except that you have fatal i/o error on the source and your
> destination is obviously corrupted, since apps aren't working right.
>
> >What does input/output error actually mean? That the file is
> >busy when being cloned?
>
> No, not busy.
>
> It means rsync tried to read the data from the HD and it FAILED.  The
> hard drive refused to provide the data because of a FATAL error.
> Either the hard dr

Re: OSX ate my rights!! Was: Cloning problem

[yawg]

Hi Dan,

> Ok.  I'm pre-coffee... so...  18 years huh?   Then why didn't you
> bother to say that the apps themselves don't work  That does
> kindof change the WHOLE nature of the issue... 

I said literally "the programs don't work".

> >My disks seem to be fine.
>
> Except that you have fatal i/o error on the source and your
> destination is obviously corrupted, since apps aren't working right.

All apps work perfectly. Only about half of my classic apps stopped
working under Tiger  (like Illustrator 9 and all 3 Quark XPress
versions I use) i.e. directly after the "upgrade" they became
unavailable. Under Panther everything is still perfect.

> >What does input/output error actually mean? That the file is
> >busy when being cloned?
>
> No, not busy.
>
> It means rsync tried to read the data from the HD and it FAILED.  The
> hard drive refused to provide the data because of a FATAL error.
> Either the hard drive had a controller problem or the the data blocks
> involved have become unreadable.  Further details might be available
> in your system log.

I did a file-level clone with the new CCC under Tiger and everything
went well. So perhaps the old CCC apps had some bugs?

> >Can I just look up the BootX file on an installer CD and replace the
> >flaky one with that?
>
> IFF (If and ONLY if) it's just those files or directories involved,
> then yes.  BUT given your other issues, I'm wondering what else has
> died on that drive.

The error occurred always only on the BootX-file. Before the error
occurred I was successfully cloning both my drives twice a week w/o
any errors. The few errors I had before were probably caused because
in the beginning I was cloning in the background thus actually
changing the drive I was cloning ...

But now the clincher: When I was busy replacing the BootX file from an
older Panther clone on a FireWire drive I accidentally put the

> I'm thinking you need to find out how bad the problem is.  It may be
> that your source drive is dying.  It may be that the media just grew
> a few bad blocks.  You need to get your user data backed up, check
> the log files, then repave that whole drive (all its volumes).  Erase
> / Zero it, at least two passes, to make sure all the bad blocks get
> mapped out.  Check the logs to make sure there were no fatal
> controller errors.  If none, then it might be safe to reload it from
> scratch.
>
> ...If the backups you have are block-level clones, then you might not
> be able to trust them!  A perfect copy of corrupted data is itself
> corrupted...
>
> HTH,
> - Dan.
> --
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Re: Help! I Wanna Crack A Lacie FW CDRW Case

[yawg]

Hi,

I opened a Porsche LaCie external (looks like a small brick with no
features at all) with a kitchen knife once and it was a lot of
fiddling around. It was a cheap sale item with a 500 GB disk in it. I
needed the disk as an internal. When I put a smaller disk back in I
broke something on the very fragile controller board and had to trash
the thing.

I'd stay away from LaCie. No warranty on the disk when you open up the
case. I'm using Diginote made by CoolerMaster external cases now, they
have a nice case with two Firewire- and three USB-ports. They use the
Initio chip. You can change disks without any tools at all and they
have a clever cooling system without fan:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alper/356916936/

Regards, Jörg.



On Nov 7, 5:53 am, "Ernest L. Gunerius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi Ernest...
>
> >It has no 'manufacturers data plate' as one might expect one to look
> >like.
>
> >There is a tiny sticker over the firewire ports ...very tiny... with a
> >number string on it, but I have no idea whether it's a serial number
> >or not.
> >That number is: "890311121069C514"  and there really is an empty
> >space between the C and 514.
>
> >It's a nice looking unit and has been problem free as a cd burner in
> >the couple of years I've owned it. It would be much nicer to use it as
> >a case for my dvd burner or as a HD case.
>
> >Richard
>
> >On Nov 6, 8:04 pm, "Ernest L. Gunerius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>  >Update:
> >>  >The Case appears to be 100% plastic upon taking another look at it.
> >>  >Someone just advised to 'check under the feet' and that didn't bear
> >>  >fruit. My assessment -revised- is that the case is constructed of a 5
> >>  >sided box with openings at front and rear for firewire jacks and the
> >>  >drive door area respectively. The bottom plate looks to be a snap in
> >>  >affair at the ends, but the side seams are damn near perfect and I
> >>  >wonder if they're glued in. I mis-remembered it being a metal box.
> >>  >Dang thing annoys me. To tell the truth, seeing flying shards would be
> >>  >pretty satisfying!
>
> >>  >Richard
>
> >>  >On Nov 6, 5:54 pm, aussieshepsrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>  >  > This is pretty straight forward. I have a Lacie FireWire CDRW Case 
> >> I'd
> >>  >>  like to Open Up, but I can't figure out how to do it without breaking
> >>  >>  parts or pieces of the housing. Shattering Shards Sliding through the
> >>  >  > Ether isn't something I'm neccessarily opposed to, but if I can avoid
>
> >>  Richard;
>
> >>  What is the Model Number so we can get a look at it.
>
> >>  ErnieG
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>
> It is probably no longer on the LaCie web pages if it is a few years
> old so all I can think of is that I have seen some of these mystery
> cases that required depressing the correct spot and sliding panels.
> That requires the box in hand and some Mfg's info or luck. I assume
> there are no obvious fasteners. so it is probably snap together
> either sliding panels or depress and lift.
>
> If you only care about Function a Hack-Saw always works. (bitter smile)
>
> Good luck
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Re: Cloning problem

[yawg]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the advice. I know about aliases, have been working with
Macs for 18 years. The question marks aside the  apps themselves don't
work when I open them in ther real folders.

My disks seem to be fine. Sorry I couldn't learn anything new this
time. What does input/output error actually mean? That the file is
busy when being cloned?

Can I just look up the BootX file on an installer CD and replace the
flaky one with that?

Regards, Jörg.

On Nov 6, 9:02 pm, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 10:02 AM -0800 11/6/2008, yawg wrote:
>
>
>
> >Every time I try to clone my Panther Partition to a partition on
> >another disk I get the same error and CCC is telling me:
>
> >System/Library/CoreServices/BootX:Input/Output error
>
> One or more files in that directory or the directory itself, on your
> source, are corrupted.
>
> >Can I just ignore the error or can it cause problems when I'm using
> >the "error"-clone? What gives?
>
> You need to fix it.  Either archive and reinstall the OS or you can
> try deleting that directory and restoring it from other source.
> Might also want to consider WHY they got corrupted - could be your HD
> has grown some bad blocks.  If that's the case, then you need to
> repave or replace it.
>
> >I have a Tiger partition too from which I start and then use the new
> >CCC to do the Panther clone, it's very fast but I read here that the
> >block clone has its disadvantages as the partition won't be optimized.
>
> More importantly a block-level clone does not create a clean file system.
>
> >Anyway I still prefer Panther as all my Classic apps still work, quite
> >a few don't work under Tiger and show up in the dock as question
> >marks.
>
> Items in the dock are just aliases.  If they're showing up as
> question marks, re-drag them in.
>
> >Also I can't find the option in the new CCC where I can decide if I
> >want a file to file clone done or a block clone.
>
> Full backup is block-level.  Incremental is file-level.
>
> - Dan.
> --
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
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Re: Cloning problem

[yawg]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the advice. I know about aliases, have been working with
Macs for 18 years. The question marks aside the  apps themselves don't
work when I open them in ther real folders.

My disks seem to be fine. Sorry I couldn't learn anything new this
time. What does input/output error actually mean? That the file is
busy when being cloned?

Can I just look up the BootX file on an installer CD and replace the
flaky one with that?

Regards, Jörg.

On Nov 6, 9:02 pm, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 10:02 AM -0800 11/6/2008, yawg wrote:
>
>
>
> >Every time I try to clone my Panther Partition to a partition on
> >another disk I get the same error and CCC is telling me:
>
> >System/Library/CoreServices/BootX:Input/Output error
>
> One or more files in that directory or the directory itself, on your
> source, are corrupted.
>
> >Can I just ignore the error or can it cause problems when I'm using
> >the "error"-clone? What gives?
>
> You need to fix it.  Either archive and reinstall the OS or you can
> try deleting that directory and restoring it from other source.
> Might also want to consider WHY they got corrupted - could be your HD
> has grown some bad blocks.  If that's the case, then you need to
> repave or replace it.
>
> >I have a Tiger partition too from which I start and then use the new
> >CCC to do the Panther clone, it's very fast but I read here that the
> >block clone has its disadvantages as the partition won't be optimized.
>
> More importantly a block-level clone does not create a clean file system.
>
> >Anyway I still prefer Panther as all my Classic apps still work, quite
> >a few don't work under Tiger and show up in the dock as question
> >marks.
>
> Items in the dock are just aliases.  If they're showing up as
> question marks, re-drag them in.
>
> >Also I can't find the option in the new CCC where I can decide if I
> >want a file to file clone done or a block clone.
>
> Full backup is block-level.  Incremental is file-level.
>
> - Dan.
> --
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Cloning problem

[yawg]

Hi,

Every time I try to clone my Panther Partition to a partition on
another disk I get the same error and CCC is telling me:

System/Library/CoreServices/BootX:Input/Output error

Can I just ignore the error or can it cause problems when I'm using
the "error"-clone?
What gives?

I have a Tiger partition too from which I start and then use the new
CCC to do the Panther clone, it's very fast but I read here that the
block clone has its disadvantages as the partition won't be optimized.

Anyway I still prefer Panther as all my Classic apps still work, quite
a few don't work under Tiger and show up in the dock as question
marks.

Also I can't find the option in the new CCC where I can decide if I
want a file to file clone done or a block clone.

I have a MDD 1.25 GHz, the latest model MDD that was produced and run
the latest versions of both Tiger and Panther.

I've been using CCC for years now with almost no problems. When
cloning in Panther I don't use the computer at all, cloning in Tiger
is done in the background as it is a block clone anyway from one
harddisk to another. I have four internal harddisks.

All hints are highly appreciated as always. TIA,

Jörg.
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