Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[P]

Glad it works for you. I am having all kinds of problems under  
Leopard — mostly with memory. It cannot remember the passwords, for  
instance.

Paul Stamsen
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On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:53 pm, Maretta Holden wrote:

I use Eudora which still functions perfectly, allowing me to  
segregate each list into its own mailbox and sort the contents of  
each mailbox into time-ordered threads. I have never used Mail.app  
so cannot comment on how well it can be used.


It should be noted that Eudora 6.2.4, dated 07/2005, also runs  
perfectly on my MacBook under Snow Leopard/Rosetta 10.6.3.


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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:39 PM, dorayme wrote:



If I got separate emails from LEM all day and night, could I have it  
that my attention is not drawn to them? No ping, no red dots in the  
dock next to the mail.app icon, they go into separate folder and  
quietly and I look at them when I want.


This is possible, but requires an IMAP mail account, and access to  
your mail server so you can do server-side filtering rather than use  
Mail.app to do it. This is how I do it, so that all my filtering is  
applied on the server. Some mail providers let you do this, so it pays  
to check.


It also requires the will power to not answer your email

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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Maretta Holden]

At 11:17 PM -0700 on 04/20/2010, dorayme wrote:

Is there an email client that works so nice as MT-NewsWatcher to read
and reply to posts by subscribers to  a community of online folk? Can
you think of any email client that would be better than Mail.app. (I
was only joking about me being most important. I am actually probably
the least thing on earth today. I was offering something for
discussion, not seeking your help for myself.)


I use Eudora which still functions perfectly, allowing me to 
segregate each list into its own mailbox and sort the contents of 
each mailbox into time-ordered threads. I have never used Mail.app so 
cannot comment on how well it can be used.


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perfectly on my MacBook under Snow Leopard/Rosetta 10.6.3.


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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[dorayme]

On 23/04/2010, at 3:25 PM, g3-5-list+nore...@googlegroups.com wrote:


Topic: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?
Bruce Johnson  Apr 22 10:27AM -0700 ^

On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:41 AM, dorayme wrote:

> Would that help with the digest I get? As for not getting digest and
> getting all the posts, I have tried that and I really don't like  
it (I

> can explain the reasons if you like).

No it wouldn't help, not with digests.

What you seem to want is to get all the posts separately without
getting all the posts separately.


I guess!

What would further reduce the clunk factor is if you could select the  
post from the digest that you want to reply to and hit reply and the  
subject line is the relevant one instead of having to fish for it and  
paste it in.


Recently, I don't know if anyone noticed, there have been  
improvements: now one can click a list item in the "Topic Summary" at  
the start of the digest and go to the post in the below. Good! Never  
used to happen before.


And another improvement, when you hit reply to the digest, you do not  
get a no-reply address text inserted into the the email To field but  
the real McCoy instead. So that is good too and saves having to wipe  
and reinsert the correct working To: address.



The closest you can come to a news reader with an email list is:

1) get the messages separately
2) filter them into folders appropriately
3) view them in threaded view

I found an applescript for Mail to burst mime digests into separate
emails here <http://homepage.mac.com/aamann/Misc_Scripts.html>


And then one needs to fish the one wanted out and to throw the others  
out? Not for me, thanks. What I already do is not *that* hard. And  
there is always the web based GG that can be logged into... I guess  
that is not all that bad either... I am just saying...


If I got separate emails from LEM all day and night, could I have it  
that my attention is not drawn to them? No ping, no red dots in the  
dock next to the mail.app icon, they go into separate folder and  
quietly and I look at them when I want. Think of it as a farmer  
setting traps on his property, as he is sitting quietly doing his  
accounts by the fire in his homestead, he does not want to hear each  
trap go off or the agonising death throws of each little rabbit, he  
will collect all on his regular run the next day. But he does want to  
hear if a bear or a lion gets through his fences, so not all activity  
is needed to be silent. Some he does not want to be distracted by and  
others he does.




The issue here is that email and usenet news are quite different
things, and deal with completely different message structures.

Google ports usenet messages to their Google Groups format; but not
vice versa.



I was vaguely imagining a usenet group that was restricted so that  
only members could actually post, the rest, the lower unwashed  
classes could look on in envy but not touch.



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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Will S]

I go to google groups and read the lists online with my web browser.
Works well and I like the way all the posts are available and listed
by time posted though you may be able to adjust how they are listed
not sure.

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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:41 AM, dorayme wrote:


Have you tried View > Organize by Thread in Mail?



Would that help with the digest I get? As for not getting digest and
getting all the posts, I have tried that and I really don't like it (I
can explain the reasons if you like).


No it wouldn't help, not with digests.

What you seem to want is to get all the posts separately without  
getting all the posts separately.


The closest you can come to a news reader  with an email list is:

1) get the messages separately
2) filter them into folders appropriately
3) view them in threaded view

I found an applescript for Mail to burst mime digests into separate  
emails here 


The issue here is that email and usenet news are quite different  
things, and deal with completely different message structures.


Google ports usenet messages to their Google Groups format; but not  
vice versa.


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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[dorayme]

On Apr 22, 2:44 am, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 11:17 PM, dorayme wrote:
>
> > Is there an email client that works so nice as MT-NewsWatcher to read
> > and reply to posts by subscribers to  a community of online folk? Can
> > you think of any email client that would be better than Mail.app.
>
> Have you tried View > Organize by Thread in Mail?
>

Would that help with the digest I get? As for not getting digest and
getting all the posts, I have tried that and I really don't like it (I
can explain the reasons if you like).

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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 20, 2010, at 11:17 PM, dorayme wrote:


Is there an email client that works so nice as MT-NewsWatcher to read
and reply to posts by subscribers to  a community of online folk? Can
you think of any email client that would be better than Mail.app.


Have you tried View > Organize by Thread in Mail?



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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Dan]

At 11:17 PM -0700 4/20/2010, dorayme wrote:

On Apr 21, 12:36 pm, Dan  wrote:

 At 4:11 PM -0700 4/20/2010, dorayme wrote:

 > >Not what I suggested. Rather it would be nice to be able to use an

 >online newsreader or online newsreader style software to  use LEM. It
 >would get the clunk factor out of the whole thing for me.

 Oh.  Ok.  Try a different email client.


Is there an email client that works so nice as MT-NewsWatcher to read
and reply to posts by subscribers to  a community of online folk? Can
you think of any email client that would be better than Mail.app.


I use Eudora 6.2.4.  It's quite fast and no frills, like MT-NW.

I have filters set up to move all the LEM list traffic into a single 
mailbox.  That mailbox is set to be *unsorted*, so messages appear in 
the order in which they were received.  A quick option-click on a 
subject pulls all the messages in that thread together.  ...


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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[dorayme]

On Apr 21, 12:36 pm, Dan  wrote:
> At 4:11 PM -0700 4/20/2010, dorayme wrote:
>
> >Not what I suggested. Rather it would be nice to be able to use an
> >online newsreader or online newsreader style software to  use LEM. It
> >would get the clunk factor out of the whole thing for me.
>
> Oh.  Ok.  Try a different email client.
>

Is there an email client that works so nice as MT-NewsWatcher to read
and reply to posts by subscribers to  a community of online folk? Can
you think of any email client that would be better than Mail.app. (I
was only joking about me being most important. I am actually probably
the least thing on earth today. I was offering something for
discussion, not seeking your help for myself.)

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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Dan]

At 4:11 PM -0700 4/20/2010, dorayme wrote:

Not what I suggested. Rather it would be nice to be able to use an
online newsreader or online newsreader style software to  use LEM. It
would get the clunk factor out of the whole thing for me.


Oh.  Ok.  Try a different email client.

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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[dorayme]

On Apr 19, 1:05 pm, Dan  wrote:
> At 11:08 AM +1000 4/19/2010, dorayme wrote:
>
> >Could a way be found to have this group read and posted to in a
> >normal usenet software like MT-NewsWatcher? Would make it so much
> >easier and less clunky to operate with. One of the best groups
> >around because nice people and moderated but not the best choices
> >for access...
>
> That would be sweet to have all the LEM groups up on USENET!
>

Not what I suggested. Rather it would be nice to be able to use an
online newsreader or online newsreader style software to  use LEM. It
would get the clunk factor out of the whole thing for me. I don't know
about others. What is important is me. Surely? 

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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[James Therrault]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 6:53 AM, diane wrote:


At 1:50 AM -0400 4/19/10, Dan wrote:

At 11:43 PM -0400 4/18/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

or we could have a forums site.


To be honest, going pure forums is a deal breaker with me.



Ditto. No forums for me, hate them. Email is great, it all comes  
here and I can filter it to separate it. Forums I have to go to  
individually and I've had one too many crash on me taking valuable  
data.


My.02

Diane




Same here...  I just delete about 95% of the email and that's fine.   
If there is a subject area that interests me, I'll read it and  
comment if I might be of help.


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[OT] Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[John Musbach]

This discussion really belongs on the lemlists list, not here.

On 4/19/10, Mark Sokolovsky  wrote:
> I was only suggesting a different forums interface because i answered a
> question, but now that i think of it i wold much rather stick with the
> current one.
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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I was only suggesting a different forums interface because i answered a
question, but now that i think of it i wold much rather stick with the
current one.

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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Ted Treen]

View from the UK, FWIW.

Given a choice, I'll stick with the email format.  I do visit certain forums, 
and participate therein; but the format of; the people belonging to; and the 
education received from this list greatly exceeds the value of all the forums 
put together.

Just my two pennyworth.



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From: John Carmonne 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 19 April, 2010 13:02:44
Subject: Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?


On Apr 19, 2010, at 4:53 AM, diane wrote:

> At 1:50 AM -0400 4/19/10, Dan wrote:
>> At 11:43 PM -0400 4/18/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
>>> or we could have a forums site.
>> 
>> To be honest, going pure forums is a deal breaker with me.
> 
> 
> Ditto. No forums for me, hate them. Email is great, it all comes here and I 
> can filter it to separate it. Forums I have to go to individually and I've 
> had one too many crash on me taking valuable data.
> 
> My.02
> 
> Diane
> 


If it works why fix it? Took me a while to get used to the lists, they're much 
better than those non responsive forum web sites,
here you can get answers from knowledgeable folks fast and not have to wait for 
days till someone reads the forum. The lists
are truly interactive. A consolidation of some may be OK but I belong to all of 
them so I get most of the postings I'm interested in
Forums are for chatters IMHO:-(

John Carmonne
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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 4:53 AM, diane wrote:

> At 1:50 AM -0400 4/19/10, Dan wrote:
>> At 11:43 PM -0400 4/18/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
>>> or we could have a forums site.
>> 
>> To be honest, going pure forums is a deal breaker with me.
> 
> 
> Ditto. No forums for me, hate them. Email is great, it all comes here and I 
> can filter it to separate it. Forums I have to go to individually and I've 
> had one too many crash on me taking valuable data.
> 
> My.02
> 
> Diane
> 


If it works why fix it? Took me a while to get used to the lists, they're much 
better than those non responsive forum web sites,
here you can get answers from knowledgeable folks fast and not have to wait for 
days till someone reads the forum. The lists
are truly interactive. A consolidation of some may be OK but I belong to all of 
them so I get most of the postings I'm interested in
Forums are for chatters IMHO:-(

John Carmonne
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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[diane]

At 1:50 AM -0400 4/19/10, Dan wrote:

At 11:43 PM -0400 4/18/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

or we could have a forums site.


To be honest, going pure forums is a deal breaker with me.



Ditto. No forums for me, hate them. Email is great, it all comes here 
and I can filter it to separate it. Forums I have to go to 
individually and I've had one too many crash on me taking valuable 
data.


My.02

Diane

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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Dan]

At 11:43 PM -0400 4/18/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

or we could have a forums site.


To be honest, going pure forums is a deal breaker with me.  I haunt 
LEM because, in addition to the good people, it's a convenient set of 
email lists that I can quickly access with little to no effort.  I 
just don't have the time to plod thru web-based forums more than once 
every few weeks or months.


Google Groups are a good deal, as they're backed with a half-decent 
forum-ish web interface with a good search function.


Now... if you want to change something,,, then merge these LEM lists 
into fewer ones and set them up so they can be easily cross-searched 
on the Groups interface.



It really bugs me when we move away from better technology simply to 
accommodate the masses.


In the beginning, ok well, sometime after strung monkeys and before 
iPhones, there were USENET Newsgroups and Email lists.  They were, 
and are, fast and efficient for everything from conversation to 
technical support to pure science.  Their nature, as highly 
distributed systems, made them nearly impervious to outages and data 
loss.  Life was good.


Then came the portals - AOL, CompuServe, etc - with their awful 
dial-up BBS holdover "forums".   Basically, they were environments 
designed to make newbies comfortable.


Then came the Internet & the WWW.  And like grotesque barnacles, 
those frakking forums crept in.


Forums are like the old QWERTY keyboard.  They're designed to be slow 
in order to feel good on the technology of that day.  I guess for 
newbies they're still easy to understand.  But when you need to 
process a lot of data quickly, they're totally useless.  And they're 
a fragile single-point of failure... prone to data loss and other 
outages.


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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

or we could have a forums site. Go to www.forumotion.com, and see what i'm
talking about. A forums site is much better than having a whole network of
e-mails. Not only that, whatever you send to the G3-G5 list won't be seen by
everyone who is on. I have a site already setup on forumotion, and it is:

www.marktech.forumotion.com. If we were supposedly going to transfer the
G3-G5 list to there, i would gladly rename it to a name that would  best
suit the Lem's site list. It's free to create a forums site. Btw, even
supposedly don't transfer the G3-G5 list to my site, i have it up for
different purposes. Yes it is a forums site that i have up for technology
and Macs, but it's also a site where i post online games.

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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[John Musbach]

You would have to ask your newsgroup access provider to carry us and
sync to/from using a email bridge.

On 4/18/10, dorayme  wrote:
> Could a way be found to have this group read and posted to in a
> normal usenet software like MT-NewsWatcher? Would make it so much
> easier and less clunky to operate with. One of the best groups around
> because nice people and moderated but not the best choices for access...
>
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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Dan]

At 11:08 AM +1000 4/19/2010, dorayme wrote:
Could a way be found to have this group read and posted to in a 
normal usenet software like MT-NewsWatcher? Would make it so much 
easier and less clunky to operate with. One of the best groups 
around because nice people and moderated but not the best choices 
for access...


That would be sweet to have all the LEM groups up on USENET!

- Dan.
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Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[dorayme]

Could a way be found to have this group read and posted to in a  
normal usenet software like MT-NewsWatcher? Would make it so much  
easier and less clunky to operate with. One of the best groups around  
because nice people and moderated but not the best choices for access...


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