Re: No boot G4 MDD?
On Mar 4, 7:35 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I'm dealing with a PM G4 MDD Dual 1.25 it's a solid daily driver. 2 GB RAM 2 HDDs 2 optical drives. The machine stopped booting after the installation of an aftermarket CPU fan, Doesn't make too much sense being the wires are the same. This is overly obvious, but is the new fan turning properly? I've seen machines with cooling issues which would boot only so far and then crash as the CPU reached some temperature point beyond which it could not operate properly. Do you still have the old fan? If so, try swapping it back in and see if the problem remains. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: No boot G4 MDD?
On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:58 AM, t...@io.com wrote: On Mar 4, 7:35 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I'm dealing with a PM G4 MDD Dual 1.25 it's a solid daily driver. 2 GB RAM 2 HDDs 2 optical drives. The machine stopped booting after the installation of an aftermarket CPU fan, Doesn't make too much sense being the wires are the same. This is overly obvious, but is the new fan turning properly? I've seen machines with cooling issues which would boot only so far and then crash as the CPU reached some temperature point beyond which it could not operate properly. Well in the end the problem turned out to be a burned CPU. So a new one is on the way. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: No boot G4 MDD?
When you say it shuts down, do you mean the power goes off at that point, or the boot process stops? Does the front power switch blink or beep any power-on code while on? If the power goes off and there's no code, I'd start looking at the psu. If the power stays on...have you gone down to one stick of memory? If there's code, follow up. I had a memory code in one of mine that ended up being the logic board. I used a hair dryer on the memory slots: the temporary expansion of the slots let it boot for about 10 minutes. Good luck, Bruce On Mar 6, 9:31 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 5:35 PM -0800 3/4/2011, John Carmonne wrote: -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: No boot G4 MDD?
At 5:35 PM -0800 3/4/2011, John Carmonne wrote: I'm dealing with a PM G4 MDD Dual 1.25 it's a solid daily driver. 2 GB RAM 2 HDDs 2 optical drives. The machine stopped booting after the installation of an aftermarket CPU fan, Doesn't make too much sense being the wires are the same. When it tries to boot it will get to the Apple and gear and then shut off. It will some times get to the blue screen and shut down. It chimes as normal. I've done all the obvious tricks I can think off. Total tear down, clean all connections, CUDA switch. Tried to boot with DVD same deal Apple and gear, no cigar also removed the HDDs and still no boot from DVD. The only thing I haven't done is try to boot from a Firewire drive. Any ideas? Try reducing the load on the power supply - disconnect that new fan, and perhaps all but one HD. Try booting in verbose mode; see how far it gets before the gak. (just guessing really) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd
Thank you for your answers! Well, as far as hardware way is concerned, I will not take that route. I would risk too much. The fan was already replaced when I bought the computer - silenter and more powerful, that is what the one I bought it from told me, but still too loud in my opinion. Also altering the pin configuration is not something I am prepared to do. I will consider once again putting one cpu down and enabling nap mode... Thank you for your answers. With regards, Matevž Markovič -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd
Greetings, For an answer to all or most of your questions, see: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/g4_mirrored_drive_doors/noise_reduction/g4_ddr_noise_reduction.html Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca. On Aug 24, 2:55 am, Matevž Markovič ivwcorporation.mat...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I have a Powermac G4 dual (1.25 ghz), running under OS X Tiger. I use this computer as a test server with low traffic. Because no performance-demanding tasks are running on it, I want to decrease the temperature of both cpus and thus also reduce the noise of the fan, as it is way too high. (and the power consumption) I have heard of CHUD 3.5.2 and its option of enabling nap mode, but I am not willing to risk crashing the machine, because I have read that enabling nap on both cores will probably crash the computer and it also has other side-effects. Is it possible to manually reduce the speed of both cpus? (probably from Open Firmware). I would rather go with 2 x 1.0 Ghz (250mhz less per cpu). And if it is, how dangerous is that? Thank you for your answers! Matevz Markovic -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd
Hola! dale una mirada . *Hi! take a look * Dual G4 MDD Owners enabling Nap mode to lower CPU temperatureshttp://www.xlr8yourmac.com/feedback/MDD_CHUD_feedback.html#storytop On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Matevž Markovič ivwcorporation.mat...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your answers! Well, as far as hardware way is concerned, I will not take that route. I would risk too much. The fan was already replaced when I bought the computer - silenter and more powerful, that is what the one I bought it from told me, but still too loud in my opinion. Also altering the pin configuration is not something I am prepared to do. I will consider once again putting one cpu down and enabling nap mode... Thank you for your answers. With regards, Matevž Markovič -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd
Hi: I have two MDD's with dual 1,25 ghz cpus that I run CHUD 3.5.2 on. The CHUD tools give the option of running single or dual cpus in nap mode. I run mine in single cpu mode with no discernible loss in processor speed/capacity. I also read that dual cpus in nap mode can cause crashes, but I've read no complaints of crashes with the single cpu. Most of the literature suggests single cpu use. The cooling and noise reduction are satisfying. On this warm morning the MDD is running at 98 degree (F) in single cpu. If I kick into dual non-nap mode it'll go up to 138 degrees (F) and start that wind-tunnel fan effect that MDDs are known for. CHUD seems to work best with Tiger. I've tried it with Leopard but there seem to be problems with keeping the cpus in single mode. I have up to 6 or 7 people using these machines on the internet and they've been stable with the CHUD tools for a good period of time. Good luck with whatever you decide. Bruce Horner On Aug 24, 5:55 am, Matevž Markovič ivwcorporation.mat...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I have a Powermac G4 dual (1.25 ghz), running under OS X Tiger. I use this computer as a test server with low traffic. Because no performance-demanding tasks are running on it, I want to decrease the temperature of both cpus and thus also reduce the noise of the fan, as it is way too high. (and the power consumption) I have heard of CHUD 3.5.2 and its option of enabling nap mode, but I am not willing to risk crashing the machine, because I have read that enabling nap on both cores will probably crash the computer and it also has other side-effects. Is it possible to manually reduce the speed of both cpus? (probably from Open Firmware). I would rather go with 2 x 1.0 Ghz (250mhz less per cpu). And if it is, how dangerous is that? Thank you for your answers! Matevz Markovic -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd
-- Original message -- Subject: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd Date:Dienstag 24 August 2010N From:Matevž Markovič ivwcorporation.mat...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Hello! I have a Powermac G4 dual (1.25 ghz), running under OS X Tiger. I use this computer as a test server with low traffic. Because no performance-demanding tasks are running on it, I want to decrease the temperature of both cpus and thus also reduce the noise of the fan, as it is way too high. (and the power consumption) You have already found the following? http://coolstuff.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/powermac-g4-mdd-cooling-and-noise-reduction/ http://bitsandpieces.info/MDDG4CoolingMod.htm Installing different fans –that are more silent– seems to help a lot. I have heard of CHUD 3.5.2 and its option of enabling nap mode, but I am not willing to risk crashing the machine, because I have read that enabling nap on both cores will probably crash the computer and it also has other side-effects. Possible. But you could try it anyway, and deactivate it when you see crashes for real. Is it possible to manually reduce the speed of both cpus? (probably from Open Firmware). I would rather go with 2 x 1.0 Ghz (250mhz less per cpu). And if it is, how dangerous is that? I have never heard that this would be so easy. G4 processors don't support alteration of clock speed (like modern processors do). Even the G5 Dual-Core “Late 2005” (IBM PowerPC 970MP aka Dual-Core G5) only supports to switch between full clock speed and half clock speed. You will have to go the hard way and modify the hardware. Sorry, this link is in German: http://macschrauber.de/3elektronik/3elektronik/mddxlr8.html A bad machine translation still helps to find the valued information: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=detl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fmacschrauber.de%2F3elektronik%2F3elektronik%2Fmddxlr8.html I'm the in the link mentioned PLL table is not for the 1.25 GHz processors, but you may give it a try anyway. If you are willing to move resistors – knowing the risks– you should be able to make a 1.25 GHz machine be a 1.0 GHz machine. Only, while this will make the G4 MDD processors run cooler for sure, the impact to noise is uncertain. Whish you good luck! Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd
Mac User #330250, I have tried replacing the fan in my MDD with one of the fans mentioned in the wordpress link that you posted. It didn't work. I don't know if it is my computer or an incompatible fan. I tried two of those fans and neither of them worked. Just thought I would mention it. Also, Chud tools has worked great for me on my Dual 1GHZ MDD, and brought the noise and temperature WAY down. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
Gary D. wrote: Hi Dan, Re: OS 9 on MDD Maybe you should start over at square one. Go to the Apple Knowledge Base Article HT1835 http://support.com/kb/HT1835 and take the Note 3 seriously. If you don't have the right version, all else is just a waste of time. I know from experience. This especially applies if you have the 2003 version of the MDD which again booted directly to OS 9 but the software version that would boot was hidden on the install disk. If this is the case, I can give you the details (this may also apply for the first MDD, but I have no experience with it). Good luck, Gary Thanks, My thoughts exactly this fine morning. When / if I get a G5 then I can firewire what I want to keep to it and scrub the HDS's on the MDD and begin again! Then I can prune as I go and get a lean, mean fighting MAChine for the kids. Thanks to ALL for the help and inspiration. Dan Currie, BTDTGTDTS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
At 10:20 AM -0600 2/8/2009, Dan A. Currie wrote: G4 MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM 1 -120 GB (OS10.5), 1 - 200 GB (OS10.4), 1- 120GB and 1 - 6GB (OS9.2) HDD's in that order. When I go to Startup Disk in System Preferences all 3 OS's are there on their respective HDs but when I select OS9.2 and then click RESTART the G4 begins a normal restart, looks for OS9.2 ... CAN NOT FIND IT ... and restarts in OS10.5. hum. If it shows up in the prefs then it's a valid system to boot from... Does it seem to delay at all, as if it's searching for that boot volume? I'm thinking maybe because it's the 6th device in the search order, it's not ready for some reason when the strap reaches for it. If you select that boot volume then close the prefs and restart normally, does it work? If you zap the pram, does it work? If you boot holding down the option key - which should show you the boot choices, is it listed? How old is your pram/backup battery? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
Len Gerstel wrote: On Feb 8, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Dan A. Currie wrote: Hello All and Dan, Here is what I have - a G4 MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6, 1 -120 GB (OS10.5), 1 - 200 GB (OS10.4), 1- 120GB and 1 - 6GB (OS9.2) HDD's in that order. A more important question that I may have missed the original answer in the earlier posts. The MDD marked an important point in Macdom. The original MDDs with firewire 400 could boot in 9, but the second generation of MDDs with firewire 800 could not boot into 9, but they could run it in classic. Is yours a first generation or second generation? If second, you will not be able to boot into 9 at all. Len Up until just over a year ago this was a MAC OS9.2 machine, then I upgraded to 10.4 -11 and now to 10.5.5. When I try to boot up OS9.2 going through SP, it tries very hard to find OS9.2 - the old file folder is there flashing from the Picasso to ? mark about 5 or 6 times then it gives up and goes to 10.5. Perhaps the 6GB is TOO far down the tree? I asked about that before ... I thought. Other thoughts? Dan Currie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
Dan wrote: At 10:20 AM -0600 2/8/2009, Dan A. Currie wrote: G4 MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM 1 -120 GB (OS10.5), 1 - 200 GB (OS10.4), 1- 120GB and 1 - 6GB (OS9.2) HDD's in that order. When I go to Startup Disk in System Preferences all 3 OS's are there on their respective HDs but when I select OS9.2 and then click RESTART the G4 begins a normal restart, looks for OS9.2 ... CAN NOT FIND IT ... and restarts in OS10.5. hum. If it shows up in the prefs then it's a valid system to boot from... Does it seem to delay at all, as if it's searching for that boot volume? I'm thinking maybe because it's the 6th device in the search order, it's not ready for some reason when the strap reaches for it. If you select that boot volume then close the prefs and restart normally, does it work? If you zap the pram, does it work? If you boot holding down the option key - which should show you the boot choices, is it listed? How old is your pram/backup battery? - Dan. When I try to boot up OS9.2 going through SP, it tries very hard to find OS9.2 - the old file folder is there flashing from the Picasso to ? mark about 5 or 6 times then it gives up and goes to 10.5. Will try the Option Key next. Perhaps the 6GB is TOO far down the tree? I asked about that before ... I thought. Other thoughts? Dan Currie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
Dan wrote: At 10:20 AM -0600 2/8/2009, Dan A. Currie wrote: G4 MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM 1 -120 GB (OS10.5), 1 - 200 GB (OS10.4), 1- 120GB and 1 - 6GB (OS9.2) HDD's in that order. When I go to Startup Disk in System Preferences all 3 OS's are there on their respective HDs but when I select OS9.2 and then click RESTART the G4 begins a normal restart, looks for OS9.2 ... CAN NOT FIND IT ... and restarts in OS10.5. hum. If it shows up in the prefs then it's a valid system to boot from... Does it seem to delay at all, as if it's searching for that boot volume? I'm thinking maybe because it's the 6th device in the search order, it's not ready for some reason when the strap reaches for it. If you select that boot volume then close the prefs and restart normally, does it work? If you zap the pram, does it work? If you boot holding down the option key - which should show you the boot choices, is it listed? How old is your pram/backup battery? - Dan. PRAM battery is new, have long since forgotten how to ZAP it. When I hold down Option key it does not show up. Dan Currie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
At 11:07 AM -0600 2/8/2009, Dan A. Currie wrote: When I try to boot up OS9.2 going through SP, it tries very hard to find OS9.2 - the old file folder is there flashing from the Picasso to ? mark about 5 or 6 times then it gives up and goes to 10.5. The flashing ? means that the bootstrap didn't get a direct response from that boot volume, so it is now going thru its search order. At 11:12 AM -0600 2/8/2009, Dan A. Currie wrote: When I hold down Option key it does not show up. The card you have that drive plugged into - does it support booting? What happens if you hit the refresh button, to make it rescan? I'm thinking maybe that drive isn't still ready when the bootstrap initially probes it - it might have spun down and hasn't finished spinning back up yet. (many drives can control that by jumper settings). Long shot, but try switching master slave on that bus. It shouldn't make a diff, but sometimes IDE voodoo bites you. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
On Feb 8, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Dan A. Currie wrote: When I try to boot up OS9.2 going through SP, it tries very hard to find OS9.2 - the old file folder is there flashing from the Picasso to ? mark about 5 or 6 times then it gives up and goes to 10.5. The problem you've got is likely because you installed with a version of 9.2.2 with a MAC OS ROM file that's too early for the MDD. The MDD shipped with a special version of 9.2.2 and if the file MAC OS ROM within the System folder is too old, the result is it won't boot. You need v.9.5.1 or newer to boot. I believe the version in the 9.2.2 update from Apple is 8.7 which is too old to boot a MDD. If you search G3-5 List archives here: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list for the terms MDD and ROM you should find several postings on this subject that are more detailed, perhaps with people to contact that could provide you with the needed file. I believe as soon as you substitute the file it will become bootable (if your MDD is one of the bootable models?). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
Dan A. Currie wrote: Dan wrote: At 10:20 AM -0600 2/8/2009, Dan A. Currie wrote: G4 MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM 1 -120 GB (OS10.5), 1 - 200 GB (OS10.4), 1- 120GB and 1 - 6GB (OS9.2) HDD's in that order. When I go to Startup Disk in System Preferences all 3 OS's are there on their respective HDs but when I select OS9.2 and then click RESTART the G4 begins a normal restart, looks for OS9.2 ... CAN NOT FIND IT ... and restarts in OS10.5. hum. If it shows up in the prefs then it's a valid system to boot from... Does it seem to delay at all, as if it's searching for that boot volume? I'm thinking maybe because it's the 6th device in the search order, it's not ready for some reason when the strap reaches for it. If you select that boot volume then close the prefs and restart normally, does it work? If you zap the pram, does it work? If you boot holding down the option key - which should show you the boot choices, is it listed? How old is your pram/backup battery? - Dan. PRAM battery is new, have long since forgotten how to ZAP it. When I hold down Option key it does not show up. Dan Currie Is the system folder blessed? JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
On 08-02-2009 18:06, Dan A. Currie, danc...@frontiernet.net, wrote: Perhaps the 6GB is TOO far down the tree? I asked about that before ... I thought. I don't believe that. First check if your 6 GB is formatted in the right way, especially if OS 9 disk files is enabled. I strongly believe this will be the problem. Check it in Disk Utility. Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
At 11:52 AM -0600 2/8/2009, James E. Therrault wrote: Is the system folder blessed? It should be - it's selectable in the Startup Disk sysprefs. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
On Feb 8, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Dan wrote: At 11:52 AM -0600 2/8/2009, James E. Therrault wrote: Is the system folder blessed? It should be - it's selectable in the Startup Disk sysprefs. But you say it doesn't show up with 'Option' on boot, so bless the thing. Chuck D. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
Charles Davis wrote: On Feb 8, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Dan wrote: At 11:52 AM -0600 2/8/2009, James E. Therrault wrote: Is the system folder blessed? It should be - it's selectable in the Startup Disk sysprefs. But you say it doesn't show up with 'Option' on boot, so bless the thing. Chuck D. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth Tried this ... evidently it is an Atheistic drive ... still do not boot, also tried moving it up the food chain to the number 2 slot and using the Option key ... the only drive recognized then was my 10.5 HDD. I am tired of fooling with it for now ... am way behind in Honey-dos from She who must be Obeyed. Later, Dan Currie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Dan A. Currie wrote: When I try to boot up OS9.2 going through SP, it tries very hard to find OS9.2 - the old file folder is there flashing from the Picasso to ? mark about 5 or 6 times then it gives up and goes to 10.5. Perhaps you have to re-bless the system folder. Boot from your 9.2 CD, then go to the OS 9 drive, drag the System suitcase out of the System folder (which will change it's icon) then back into the System folder. Tried this ... evidently it is an Atheistic drive ... still do not boot, also tried moving it up the food chain to the number 2 slot and using the Option key ... the only drive recognized then was my 10.5 HDD. I am tired of fooling with it for now ... am way behind in Honey-dos from She who must be Obeyed. Later, Dan Currie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
On Feb 8, 11:20 am, Dan A. Currie danc...@frontiernet.net wrote: Hello All and Dan, Here is what I have - a G4 MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6, 1 -120 GB (OS10.5), 1 - 200 GB (OS10.4), 1- 120GB and 1 - 6GB (OS9.2) HDD's in that order. When I go to Startup Disk in System Preferences all 3 OS's are there on their respective HDs but when I select OS9.2 and then click RESTART the G4 begins a normal restart, looks for OS9.2 ... CAN NOT FIND IT ... and restarts in OS10.5. AND On Feb 8, 12:06 pm, Dan A. Currie danc...@frontiernet.net wrote: Up until just over a year ago this was a MAC OS9.2 machine, then I upgraded to 10.4 -11 and now to 10.5.5. When I try to boot up OS9.2 going through SP, it tries very hard to find OS9.2 - the old file folder is there flashing from the Picasso to ? mark about 5 or 6 times then it gives up and goes to 10.5. Perhaps the 6GB is TOO far down the tree? I asked about that before ... I thought. You've tried many suggestions including re-blessing the OS 9 System Folder. Reviewing the above, you have OS 9.2 loaded on two HDDs, 1- 120GB and 1 - 6GB (OS9.2) HDD's in that order. And you cannot boot into either of the OS 9.2 drives? Sometime about a year ago you upgraded from OS 9.2 to OS X Tiger. Perhaps more detail on the history may help. With the Tiger upgrade, did you retain OS 9.2 on a drive with no problems for a while? Did you go without 9.2 for a while and more recently loaded it on both its drives? If so, did you initialize the two OS 9.2 drives using OS X Disk Utility and perhaps did not check the box for loading the OS 9 drivers? Do you have the problem whether trying to restart in OS 9.2 from either of your Tiger and Leopard drives? Before I happily sold my G4 Quicksilver 733 with two internal drives, I had OS X 10.3.9 Panther and OS 9.2.2 on the main drive. The other drive had three volumes, one for OS 9.2.2, one for OS X 10.3.2 (test), and a third for scratch space. I could not boot into OS 9.2.2 via Startup Disk in System Preferences while restarting from OS X on the main drive. But I could boot OS 9.2.2 from the test OS X on the secondary drive. If you had both OS X and OS 9 booting fine for a while, what changes occurred in the system environment shortly before you hit the OS 9.2 boot problem? Like maybe the last version update to OS 10.5.5? Hope you have better luck with your Honey-dos from She who must be Obeyed. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ... on a G4 MDD
Al wrote: You've tried many suggestions including re-blessing the OS 9 System Folder. Reviewing the above, you have OS 9.2 loaded on two HDDs, 1- 120GB and NO ... only on the 6GB at the end of the chain. Maybe I should have prefaced this mess saying that what I was trying to do was to have three (3) OS on the same MAC but 1 each on the three drives. An OS9.2 drive, an OS10.4 , and an OS10.5 drive. The 10.5 is mine to try out new software, the 10.4 is for the son and daughter, and the 9.2 is for the son for older software and games that were discontinued by 10.4. Maybe I should have just partitioned the 200GB into a 9.2, 10.4 and 10.5 partitions but I thought it would be easier and *safer* to have an OS on each HDD. 1 - 6GB (OS9.2) HDD's in that order. And you cannot boot into either of the OS 9.2 drives? Sometime about a year ago you upgraded from OS 9.2 to OS X Tiger. Perhaps more detail on the history may help. With the Tiger upgrade, did you retain OS 9.2 on a drive with no problems for a while? I ran OS9.2 and Tiger together, then I took the plunge and went commando with only Tiger, now I am running Tiger and Leopard together but am about to get a G5 ... I hope and am going to give this to the kids ... they have just about worn out their Beige G3's. Did you go without 9.2 for a while and more recently loaded it on both its drives? If so, did you initialize the two OS 9.2 drives using OS X Disk Utility and perhaps did not check the box for loading the OS 9 drivers? System Preferences says that OS9 drivers are loaded. Do you have the problem whether trying to restart in OS 9.2 from either of your Tiger and Leopard drives? Before I happily sold my G4 Quicksilver 733 with two internal drives, I had OS X 10.3.9 Panther and OS 9.2.2 on the main drive. The other drive had three volumes, one for OS 9.2.2, one for OS X 10.3.2 (test), and a third for scratch space. I could not boot into OS 9.2.2 via Startup Disk in System Preferences while restarting from OS X on the main drive. But I could boot OS 9.2.2 from the test OS X on the secondary drive. I haven't tried this yet but maybe Tuesday as I work as a Fire Captain tomorrow and can't lug this around with me. If you had both OS X and OS 9 booting fine for a while, what changes occurred in the system environment shortly before you hit the OS 9.2 boot problem? Like maybe the last version update to OS 10.5.5? Scrubbed the HDD and installed Tiger, later I added Leopard on another Partition then decided to move Tiger to a separate drive and recently decided to add the 6GB HDD and install OS9.2 on it. Hope you have better luck with your Honey-dos from She who must be Obeyed. Al Poulin We are not talking at the moment ... boy it sure is nice and peaceful!!! Dan Currie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
