Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 4:22 PM -0400 3/31/2009, insightinmind wrote: With everything turned off, my Startups and Restarts seem to be smooth. woohoo! :) *knockwood* By everything, I mean all iTunes search for things (iPod, other accessories, AppleTV, AirTunes Speakers, Shared Libraries, etc), and system File Sharing, and Remote Login. I believe much of this comes under the Bonjour technologies, but not sure. hum. Now that you have a stable baseline, start turning things back on - one at a time. Run for a while with each, until you find a combo that fails. That way you can narrow things down. I've asked AMD for any low-level type test apps that might exercise my ATI Radeon 9800Pro. Be great to have such! I still get the Public Folder returns -nn thing: Mar 26 20:07:19 Moonstone-Art-Studio /System/Library/CoreServices/ coreservicesd[52]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Moonstone Art Studio's Public Folder) returned -14135 hum. Um, double check the permissions on your Public folder. You should own it, and have readwrite access, but everything else should be read only. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
Update: On Mar 28, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Dan wrote: At 2:57 PM -0400 3/26/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: I replaced the SibeliusScore.mdimporter and I did the suggested sudo mdutil commands and re-Indexed everything. Still showing a problem with Sibelius 5 indexing. Have another e-mail in to Sibelius Tech folks. I mentioned before, Sibelius did admit some of their files cause problems under Spotlight. So I left SibeliusScore.mdimporter out. *Elminate* problems to get things under control. DO NOT add new variables to the problem. *Remove* that importer for now. Then rebuild the Spotlight indices. *Leave* that importer *out* for now. With everything turned off, my Startups and Restarts seem to be smooth. By everything, I mean all iTunes search for things (iPod, other accessories, AppleTV, AirTunes Speakers, Shared Libraries, etc), and system File Sharing, and Remote Login. I believe much of this comes under the Bonjour technologies, but not sure. I've asked AMD for any low-level type test apps that might exercise my ATI Radeon 9800Pro. I still get the Public Folder returns -nn thing: Mar 26 20:07:19 Moonstone-Art-Studio /System/Library/CoreServices/ coreservicesd[52]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Moonstone Art Studio's Public Folder) returned -14135 If I could just turn off religion fueled bigotry ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
Bonjour, On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I've started getting (also was getting it before at times IIRC): Mar 27 15:29:18 Moonstone-Art-Studio /System/Library/CoreServices/ coreservicesd[43]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Moonstone Art Studio's Public Folder) returned -14135 Mar 27 15:34:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio SystemStarter[16]: IOKitWaitQuiet: -536870186 Mar 27 15:34:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio DeltaHelper[142]: Delta Helper is starting up What's going on? I'm up to date on the Software Updates (Apple's and CCC's) ... could that be it? I've tried disconnecting 3rd party USB and FW devices, run AppleJack in auto pilot mode after correcting Spotlight issues, re-Indexed all partitions ... nothing seems to be helping this particular part of the puzzle. Is something wrong with my public folder that's causing the Cold Boots or Restarts to pause for 5 minutes there, then a few minutes later, my Startup Items begin and install its driver. Is the Public Folder the Shared folder in my User account? It only contains a folder named Adobe PDF 6.0. Kind of old, relative to 10.5.6. Is this pause related to the folder Adobe PDF 6.0 being in there? Maybe outdated for OS X 10.5.6? Did it get there because I'm running Adobe Acrobat 6 Pro on my Mac? Solutions? Anyone familiar with problems caused by Adobe PDF products? --~ One of my errors, seems to be related to having iTunes in the Widget lineup. Removing it removes the following diagnostic: Mar 27 15:08:15 Moonstone-Art-Studio Dock[109]: _DESCRegisterDockExtraClient failed 268435459 Additional discussion was found googling same: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6541543 It hints at the Bonjour technology at being the causes of Blue Screen pauses, then continuing to load everything without further issues. I also suspected having most of the defaults (IIRC) in iTunes checked ... like Search for iPods, iTV connections, etc ... might be the Bonjour issue ... since I don't have any of them. I've since unchecked them on my 10.5.6 QS. The Frontrow upgrade might be adding pieces to the puzzle, too. More Bonjour dependent technology, if I'm assuming things correctly. For some reason, my Startups have cleared up, at least once, prior to removing iTunes from the Widgets, and before removing Adobe Acrobat Pro 6 app from my Dock, but many times thereafter. Also had returned to starting up / restarting using non-Automatic Login, so I get the Login window, enter my single user password, and continue without problems. Just returned to using Auto Login ... Still searching to repeat the issue so I can nail it. Thanks for listening. Merci ! A bientôt ! Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 2:57 PM -0400 3/26/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: I replaced the SibeliusScore.mdimporter and I did the suggested sudo mdutil commands and re-Indexed everything. Still showing a problem with Sibelius 5 indexing. Have another e-mail in to Sibelius Tech folks. *Elminate* problems to get things under control. DO NOT add new variables to the problem. *Remove* that importer for now. Then rebuild the Spotlight indices. *Leave* that importer *out* for now. This seemed to release a myriad of issues with coreaudio and other things, that have me perplexed as to how to proceed. Also got a system pause (Blue Screen) that resolved in about 5 minutes, and seemed to be pausing at a Public folder ... was this because I have File Sharing On and it was waiting for my other computer to come up (which it did while I was waiting for the Blue Screen to possibly resolve on its own)? Yes, File Sharing shares your public folder. If there's a problem therein, that can cause issues. For now, turn all file sharing OFF. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 4:46 PM -0400 3/27/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: I've isolated an issue in this on-going Installation problem, and although have it posted on Apple Support and CCC 3.2 Forums, would like to see if someone here might shed some light on the current problem. Cross/multi-posting ensures that noone has the complete picture. That's a lot of time wasted searching around to figure things out. Now ... I've consistently started getting a long pause on startup / restarts and am wondering if CCC 3.2 or something else might have something to do with it. CCC hs nothing to do with startup issues. Mar 27 15:29:18 Moonstone-Art-Studio /System/Library/CoreServices/ coreservicesd[43]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Moonstone Art Studio's Public Folder) returned -14135 Mar 27 15:34:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio SystemStarter[16]: IOKitWaitQuiet: -536870186 Mar 27 15:34:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio DeltaHelper[142]: Delta Helper is starting up Again, turn off ALL file sharing. I'm also using CCC 3.2 (just upgraded from 3.1.3) to backup from another computer, to this one's connected FW drive. You're backing up TO an unreliable computer?? Not a good plan. Turn all that off. *Eliminate* possibilities. DO NOT throw hot data into a burning home. - Dan . -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 10:04 PM -0400 3/27/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: Is the Public Folder the Shared folder in my User account? Yes. By default it is empty, except for a folder called Drop Box. Public is read-only to anyone that accesses your machine via afp or smb. Drop Box is write-only -- so people can give you files. It only contains a folder named Adobe PDF 6.0. Kind of old, relative to 10.5.6. Get rid of that. It has no business being there. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
One of my errors, seems to be related to having iTunes in the Widget lineup. Removing it removes the following diagnostic: Turn off your widgets. *Elminate* variables. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
Semi-Apology: This topic has spread out a bit ... Installing 3rd party drivers has now added Using 3rd party applications ... I've decided that the issues have almost been resolved, but older applications under 10.5.6 may be adding to the problem. I have been getting quick startups with no Blue Screen pauses ... not sure why. I've also emptied my Dashboard. On Mar 28, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:04 PM -0400 3/27/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: Is the Public Folder the Shared folder in my User account? Yes. By default it is empty, except for a folder called Drop Box. Public is read-only to anyone that accesses your machine via afp or smb. Drop Box is write-only -- so people can give you files. It only contains a folder named Adobe PDF 6.0. Kind of old, relative to 10.5.6. Get rid of that. It has no business being there. Done. But when I ran Acrobat 6.0.6 Professional again as a test, it puts another copy in there ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
On Mar 28, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Dan wrote: At 4:46 PM -0400 3/27/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: I've isolated an issue in this on-going Installation problem, and although have it posted on Apple Support and CCC 3.2 Forums, would like to see if someone here might shed some light on the current problem. Cross/multi-posting ensures that noone has the complete picture. That's a lot of time wasted searching around to figure things out. Well ... I'm also Cross/Sharing info from the other sources ... my Google searches seemed to be turning up other possibilities ... causing the discussion to branch out a bit ... Now ... I've consistently started getting a long pause on startup / restarts and am wondering if CCC 3.2 or something else might have something to do with it. CCC hs nothing to do with startup issues. When doing an over the Network backup like I try to do, I need Personal File Sharing and Remote Login turned on ... they also use a Authentication Credentials package to bypass afp ... all seemed like it was messing with File Sharing across a Network, which might lead to Startup issues ... amateur guesses on my part ... The long pauses have stopped ... not exactly sure why ... I think its related to Bonjour ... via iTunes ... or other ... Mar 27 15:29:18 Moonstone-Art-Studio /System/Library/CoreServices/ coreservicesd[43]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Moonstone Art Studio's Public Folder) returned -14135 Mar 27 15:34:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio SystemStarter[16]: IOKitWaitQuiet: -536870186 Mar 27 15:34:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio DeltaHelper[142]: Delta Helper is starting up Again, turn off ALL file sharing. Ok ... until I need to use it again ... then I'll add things back a bit at a time ... I'm also using CCC 3.2 (just upgraded from 3.1.3) to backup from another computer, to this one's connected FW drive. You're backing up TO an unreliable computer?? Not a good plan. Well again ... I need/want to Backup over my Network ... later, after we resolve this startup thing ... its an external FW drive ... sort of bypassing the unreliable computer ... Turn all that off. *Eliminate* possibilities. DO NOT throw hot data into a burning home. Thanks. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
I've isolated an issue in this on-going Installation problem, and although have it posted on Apple Support and CCC 3.2 Forums, would like to see if someone here might shed some light on the current problem. I feel like I'm almost there ... having rid my system of the Spotlight difficulties (known to Sibelius md importer problem, old Photoscore Fonts, old JavaScript 1.5 sitx decompressions). Now ... I've consistently started getting a long pause on startup / restarts and am wondering if CCC 3.2 or something else might have something to do with it. I posted this on Apple Support, but repeat it hear for feedback: I've started getting (also was getting it before at times IIRC): Mar 27 15:29:18 Moonstone-Art-Studio /System/Library/CoreServices/ coreservicesd[43]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Moonstone Art Studio's Public Folder) returned -14135 Mar 27 15:34:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio SystemStarter[16]: IOKitWaitQuiet: -536870186 Mar 27 15:34:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio DeltaHelper[142]: Delta Helper is starting up What's going on? I'm up to date on the Software Updates (Apple's and CCC's) ... could that be it? I've tried disconnecting 3rd party USB and FW devices, run AppleJack in auto pilot mode after correcting Spotlight issues, re-Indexed all partitions ... nothing seems to be helping this particular part of the puzzle. Is something wrong with my public folder that's causing the Cold Boots or Restarts to pause for 5 minutes there, then a few minutes later, my Startup Items begin and install its driver. I can hear the pop when the audio card becomes enabled ... and a Refresh within System Profiler, shows the driver wasn't there ... now it is ... I'm also using CCC 3.2 (just upgraded from 3.1.3) to backup from another computer, to this one's connected FW drive. I had to run an Authentication Credentials package, to allow the other computer to connect directly using ssh technology. Could that upgrade be interfering in some way at this point of the Startup process? What's up? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
On Mar 27, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I've started getting (also was getting it before at times IIRC): Mar 27 15:29:18 Moonstone-Art-Studio /System/Library/CoreServices/ coreservicesd[43]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Moonstone Art Studio's Public Folder) returned -14135 Mar 27 15:34:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio SystemStarter[16]: IOKitWaitQuiet: -536870186 Mar 27 15:34:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio DeltaHelper[142]: Delta Helper is starting up What's going on? I'm up to date on the Software Updates (Apple's and CCC's) ... could that be it? I've tried disconnecting 3rd party USB and FW devices, run AppleJack in auto pilot mode after correcting Spotlight issues, re-Indexed all partitions ... nothing seems to be helping this particular part of the puzzle. Is something wrong with my public folder that's causing the Cold Boots or Restarts to pause for 5 minutes there, then a few minutes later, my Startup Items begin and install its driver. Is the Public Folder the Shared folder in my User account? It only contains a folder named Adobe PDF 6.0. Kind of old, relative to 10.5.6. Is this pause related to the folder Adobe PDF 6.0 being in there? Maybe outdated for OS X 10.5.6? Did it get there because I'm running Adobe Acrobat 6 Pro on my Mac? Solutions? Anyone familiar with problems caused by Adobe PDF products? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
Dan ... On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Dan wrote: At 2:00 PM -0400 3/25/2009, insightinmind wrote: On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Dan wrote: While indexing yesterday, I got a kp. Sibelius suggested removing SibeliusScore.mdimporter from its app package. Simple enough. Now no kps due to that, but could feel loss of capability of Spotlight along with this solution. The kernel panics were not caused by that importer. Those were simple spotlight indexing crashes. Two separate issues. Now that you've pulled that importer, it might be worth erasing your spotlight index, and letting it rebuild cleanly. Just be sure that while your Mac is rebuilding the index, don't logout or let it sleep. heh. Actually, might be better to just not use it - so you don't kp from a video or m-audio problem. Maybe replace the Sibelius importer, and run CocktailLE for Leopard to erase the index files, and see if new ones solve the problems? Joke the fancy tools. Just issue the mdutil commands yourself. sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/fred sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/fred sudo mdutil -i on /Volumes/fred I was/am hoping to just let Spotlight run, but at times I may have done (probably) a Restart before it had finished. I think I want to let it run, and run to completion, so I can use my OS and apps as normal ... whatever that is. Absolutely let Spotlight finish its indexing before interrupting it in any way. Spotlight is *known* to corrupt indices when interrupted. You can tell it's finished because all the md* processes have idled or ended. I replaced the SibeliusScore.mdimporter and I did the suggested sudo mdutil commands and re-Indexed everything. Seeing that I was having trouble with a particular Font folder, contained in an old Photoscore 3.1 installation on my APPS partition, I deleted this installation and ran the re-Indexing again on that APPS partition. Still showing a problem with Sibelius 5 indexing. Have another e-mail in to Sibelius Tech folks. This seemed to release a myriad of issues with coreaudio and other things, that have me perplexed as to how to proceed. Also got a system pause (Blue Screen) that resolved in about 5 minutes, and seemed to be pausing at a Public folder ... was this because I have File Sharing On and it was waiting for my other computer to come up (which it did while I was waiting for the Blue Screen to possibly resolve on its own)? How do I send my system.log-s to someone who requests them? The bulk of them are located in /var/log/samba , but that seems to be invisible, except to Console? Is there a Show Invisible FIles checkbox somewhere? Thanks. This all sounds so pathetic at present ... You can uncross those fingers for awhile ... Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
Resending ... didn't seem to go out (come back) ... Dan ... On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Dan wrote: At 2:00 PM -0400 3/25/2009, insightinmind wrote: On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Dan wrote: While indexing yesterday, I got a kp. Sibelius suggested removing SibeliusScore.mdimporter from its app package. Simple enough. Now no kps due to that, but could feel loss of capability of Spotlight along with this solution. The kernel panics were not caused by that importer. Those were simple spotlight indexing crashes. Two separate issues. Now that you've pulled that importer, it might be worth erasing your spotlight index, and letting it rebuild cleanly. Just be sure that while your Mac is rebuilding the index, don't logout or let it sleep. heh. Actually, might be better to just not use it - so you don't kp from a video or m-audio problem. Maybe replace the Sibelius importer, and run CocktailLE for Leopard to erase the index files, and see if new ones solve the problems? Joke the fancy tools. Just issue the mdutil commands yourself. sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/fred sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/fred sudo mdutil -i on /Volumes/fred I was/am hoping to just let Spotlight run, but at times I may have done (probably) a Restart before it had finished. I think I want to let it run, and run to completion, so I can use my OS and apps as normal ... whatever that is. Absolutely let Spotlight finish its indexing before interrupting it in any way. Spotlight is *known* to corrupt indices when interrupted. You can tell it's finished because all the md* processes have idled or ended. I replaced the SibeliusScore.mdimporter and I did the suggested sudo mdutil commands and re-Indexed everything. Seeing that I was having trouble with a particular Font folder, contained in an old Photoscore 3.1 installation on my APPS partition, I deleted this installation and ran the re-Indexing again on that APPS partition. Still showing a problem with Sibelius 5 indexing. Have another e-mail in to Sibelius Tech folks. This seemed to release a myriad of issues with coreaudio and other things, that have me perplexed as to how to proceed. Also got a system pause (Blue Screen) that resolved in about 5 minutes, and seemed to be pausing at a Public folder ... was this because I have File Sharing On and it was waiting for my other computer to come up (which it did while I was waiting for the Blue Screen to possibly resolve on its own)? How do I send my system.log-s to someone who requests them? The bulk of them are located in /var/log/samba , but that seems to be invisible, except to Console? Is there a Show Invisible FIles checkbox somewhere? Thanks. This all sounds so pathetic at present ... You can uncross those fingers for awhile ... Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 12:43 PM -0700 3/26/09, Bruce Johnson posted: On Mar 26, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Is there a Show Invisible FIles checkbox somewhere? In Finder, Command-F, after the Finder window opens, the default (on mine) is Kind is Any -- follow that bar over to the far right, click on the + option. Choose File Visibility, or my usual is System files. Choose invisible/visible. Steve R --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
Apologies for the lengthy log entry, to those who aren't interested in this problem. On Mar 26, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Dan ... On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Dan wrote: At 2:00 PM -0400 3/25/2009, insightinmind wrote: On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Dan wrote: While indexing yesterday, I got a kp. Sibelius suggested removing SibeliusScore.mdimporter from its app package. Simple enough. Now no kps due to that, but could feel loss of capability of Spotlight along with this solution. The kernel panics were not caused by that importer. Those were simple spotlight indexing crashes. Two separate issues. Now that you've pulled that importer, it might be worth erasing your spotlight index, and letting it rebuild cleanly. Just be sure that while your Mac is rebuilding the index, don't logout or let it sleep. heh. Actually, might be better to just not use it - so you don't kp from a video or m-audio problem I've re-Indexed my APPS partition yet again, after throwing out the Sibelius importer package, tossing a Photoscore 3.1 Installation including an (old) Fonts folder, and now a Javascript 1.5 folder I downloaded from a Developer's link for some reason awhile ago. All these were showing up as troublemakers during Spotlight re-Indexing. Now, I got a pause (Blue Screen for 5 minutes or so before resolving to Desktop) on Restart at: Mar 26 20:07:19 Moonstone-Art-Studio /System/Library/CoreServices/ coreservicesd[52]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Moonstone Art Studio's Public Folder) returned -14135 Mar 26 20:12:04 Moonstone-Art-Studio SystemStarter[26]: IOKitWaitQuiet: -536870186 This Public Folder to IOKitWaitQuiet pause thing is a recurring theme. Any ideas? Perhaps not enough info in this snippet of the system.log ... So, here's from where I re-Index, then do a Restart to the end: Mar 26 18:59:08 Moonstone-Art-Studio login[525]: USER_PROCESS: 525 ttys000 Mar 26 18:59:23 Moonstone-Art-Studio sudo[535]: moonstoneartstudio : TTY=ttys000 ; PWD=/Users/moonstoneartstudio ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/ bin/mdutil -i off /Volumes/APPS Mar 26 18:59:38 Moonstone-Art-Studio sudo[537]: moonstoneartstudio : TTY=ttys000 ; PWD=/Users/moonstoneartstudio ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/ bin/mdutil -E /Volumes/APPS Mar 26 18:59:53 Moonstone-Art-Studio sudo[538]: moonstoneartstudio : TTY=ttys000 ; PWD=/Users/moonstoneartstudio ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/ bin/mdutil -i on /Volumes/APPS Mar 26 18:59:57 Moonstone-Art-Studio login[525]: DEAD_PROCESS: 525 ttys000 Mar 26 19:27:18 Moonstone-Art-Studio kernel[0]: USBF: 20079.553 DELTA: iTotalBufSize = 40959 Mar 26 20:00:56 Moonstone-Art-Studio loginwindow[447]: DEAD_PROCESS: 0 console Mar 26 20:00:57 Moonstone-Art-Studio shutdown[592]: reboot by moonstoneartstudio: Mar 26 20:00:57 Moonstone-Art-Studio com.apple.loginwindow[447]: Shutdown NOW! Mar 26 20:00:57 Moonstone-Art-Studio mDNSResponder mDNSResponder-176.3 (Sep 30 2008 16:59:41)[16]: stopping Mar 26 20:00:57 Moonstone-Art-Studio com.apple.loginwindow[447]: System shutdown time has arrived^G^G Mar 26 20:00:57 Moonstone-Art-Studio SystemStarter[26]: The following StartupItems failed to properly start: Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: Darwin Kernel Version 9.6.0: Mon Nov 24 17:39:01 PST 2008; root:xnu-1228.9.59~1/RELEASE_PPC Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: launchctl: Please convert the following to launchd: /etc/mach_init.d/ dashboardadvisoryd.plist Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.blued): Unknown key for boolean: EnableTransactions Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.cups.cupsd): Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.ntp.ntpd): Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost DirectoryService[11]: Launched version 5.6 (v514.24) Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum is 1 us Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: vm_page_bootstrap: 381843 free pages and 11373 wired pages Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: mig_table_max_displ = 79 Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: 83 prelinked modules Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: calling mpo_policy_init for TMSafetyNet Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Safety net for Time Machine (TMSafetyNet) Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.security.seatbelt Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: calling mpo_policy_init for mb Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: Seatbelt MACF policy initialized Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Seatbelt Policy (mb) Mar 26 20:01:56 localhost kernel[0]: Copyright (c) 1982,
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 4:58 PM -0400 3/19/2009, insightinmind wrote: Running AppleJack may have solved the problem. Well a big part was resolved with a clean system provided by AppleJack. At 8:58 AM -0400 3/20/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: I had another Blue Screen freeze this AM. May be not related to the M-Audio drivers? I may have restarted too quickly one time, and its possible Spotlight was still running? or actually, I was trying to access the Dock too quickly, before everything had finished loading ... seemed to remember having a kp at that point this time ... Half the panic logs point to the M-Audio driver. The other half point to the VIDEO card! Not good. Try pulling that card and making sure all the contacts are clean, etc. If you have a diff video card you can try, that might be helpful. The other half ... goodness. I only thought when I changed video cards (from a new ATI Radeon 9800 Pro ME back to the Geforce 4MX) did I get a kp ... which seemed to straighten itself out with several restarts. After AppleJack, I'm back to using the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro ME, along with a replacement M-Audio 2496, my Rosewill NIC and Sonnet USB/FW with no Startup issues. I think both my video cards are ok. Another kp yesterday morning, amongst Spotlight Indexing (Sibelius things?) indicated the video card again ... so, I removed it and cleaned the contacts, removing a small amount of something with alcohol and hard cotton swab. Also cleaned out the AGP slot with a vacuum cleaner and long plastic low-flow attachment (carefully). So far it seems to be running again, but since I am close to end of Warranty, I went on and put in for an RMA. Know of any way to test such a thing other than watch it with repeated startups? Several of the crash logs show mdworker failed. It is part of Spotlight's indexing system. The importer being used at the time of the crash was com.sibelius.MDImporter.score. That suggests either a) Sibelius' importer is buggy OR b) your disk needs repairing, and perhaps there are some corrupted files of the type that importer is accessing. I may need to re-install some Sibelius Save fixes ... they are OS X 10.5 specific. I switched back from 10.5 to 10.4.11 to try to escape my audio card woes ... and noticed Sibelius went bazzerk in the logs ... While indexing yesterday, I got a kp. Sibelius suggested removing SibeliusScore.mdimporter from its app package. Simple enough. Now no kps due to that, but could feel loss of capability of Spotlight along with this solution. Thanks again for helping clean up this mess: M-Audio, Sibelius, ATI ... is this an OS X 10.5.6 test of 3rd party folks? I may be partially to blame for trying to use Tiger and Leopard off the same application installations ... well same for the app package; separate, for whatever each put on the OS X partitions. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 12:18 PM -0400 3/25/2009, insightinmind wrote: Another kp yesterday morning, amongst Spotlight Indexing (Sibelius things?) indicated the video card again ... so, I removed it and cleaned the contacts, removing a small amount of something with alcohol and hard cotton swab. Also cleaned out the AGP slot with a vacuum cleaner and long plastic low-flow attachment (carefully). So far it seems to be running again, but since I am close to end of Warranty, I went on and put in for an RMA. Good plan! Know of any way to test such a thing other than watch it with repeated startups? I'm sure the vendors involved have low-level diagnostics, but they won't be letting us mere mortals have 'em. Several of the crash logs show mdworker failed. It is part of Spotlight's indexing system. The importer being used at the time of the crash was com.sibelius.MDImporter.score. That suggests either a) Sibelius' importer is buggy OR b) your disk needs repairing, and perhaps there are some corrupted files of the type that importer is accessing. I may need to re-install some Sibelius Save fixes ... they are OS X 10.5 specific. I switched back from 10.5 to 10.4.11 to try to escape my audio card woes ... and noticed Sibelius went bazzerk in the logs ... While indexing yesterday, I got a kp. Sibelius suggested removing SibeliusScore.mdimporter from its app package. Simple enough. Now no kps due to that, but could feel loss of capability of Spotlight along with this solution. The kernel panics were not caused by that importer. Those were simple spotlight indexing crashes. Two separate issues. Now that you've pulled that importer, it might be worth erasing your spotlight index, and letting it rebuild cleanly. Just be sure that while your Mac is rebuilding the index, don't logout or let it sleep. heh. Actually, might be better to just not use it - so you don't kp from a video or m-audio problem. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Dan wrote: While indexing yesterday, I got a kp. Sibelius suggested removing SibeliusScore.mdimporter from its app package. Simple enough. Now no kps due to that, but could feel loss of capability of Spotlight along with this solution. The kernel panics were not caused by that importer. Those were simple spotlight indexing crashes. Two separate issues. Now that you've pulled that importer, it might be worth erasing your spotlight index, and letting it rebuild cleanly. Just be sure that while your Mac is rebuilding the index, don't logout or let it sleep. heh. Actually, might be better to just not use it - so you don't kp from a video or m-audio problem. Maybe replace the Sibelius importer, and run CocktailLE for Leopard to erase the index files, and see if new ones solve the problems? Cocktail in demo mode? Or Add / Remove volume names from the Spotlight Privacy List (supposedly causes Spotlight to re-index the volumes)? I found these references while googling Spotlight: Discussion for (Tiger) Spotlight http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/stopspotlightindex.html CocktailLE demo http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/download.php I was/am hoping to just let Spotlight run, but at times I may have done (probably) a Restart before it had finished. I think I want to let it run, and run to completion, so I can use my OS and apps as normal ... whatever that is. According to Cocktail developers, looks like 10.5.7 is en route ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 2:00 PM -0400 3/25/2009, insightinmind wrote: On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Dan wrote: While indexing yesterday, I got a kp. Sibelius suggested removing SibeliusScore.mdimporter from its app package. Simple enough. Now no kps due to that, but could feel loss of capability of Spotlight along with this solution. The kernel panics were not caused by that importer. Those were simple spotlight indexing crashes. Two separate issues. Now that you've pulled that importer, it might be worth erasing your spotlight index, and letting it rebuild cleanly. Just be sure that while your Mac is rebuilding the index, don't logout or let it sleep. heh. Actually, might be better to just not use it - so you don't kp from a video or m-audio problem. Maybe replace the Sibelius importer, and run CocktailLE for Leopard to erase the index files, and see if new ones solve the problems? Joke the fancy tools. Just issue the mdutil commands yourself. sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/fred sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/fred sudo mdutil -i on /Volumes/fred I was/am hoping to just let Spotlight run, but at times I may have done (probably) a Restart before it had finished. I think I want to let it run, and run to completion, so I can use my OS and apps as normal ... whatever that is. Absolutely let Spotlight finish its indexing before interrupting it in any way. Spotlight is *known* to corrupt indices when interrupted. You can tell it's finished because all the md* processes have idled or ended. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 1:01 AM -0400 3/24/2009, insightinmind wrote: Ok. Can't tell - you didn't send any system.log files. The two Apple System Profiler reports in the first sitx Bill Connelly's Hearing Problems.sitx, were a Before and After snapshot, and should have contained the logs. Don't spx files contain the logs? ___BlueScreen.spx and ___AppleJackedStartRestart.spx files. No, they don't contain the logs. So the spx file I sent doesn't contain the system.log? It does, but it's only the most recent piece of the log for the 19th. The crash and panic logs are from different dates and times. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
This issue seems to have finally been solved using AppleJack. Perhaps a discussion on correcting a 3rd party vendor's Ownership and Permissions might be up for comments. M-Audio is hinting at - as their suggested method of completing their installation: run their installer, then run Repair Permissions. Special thanks to Dan for looking over my Panic Logs and Apple System Profiler reports. This has been bugging me for months ... Additional response below ... On Mar 21, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Dan wrote: Bill sent me the m-audio driver and his panic crash logs... At 4:58 PM -0400 3/19/2009, insightinmind wrote: Running AppleJack may have solved the problem. At 8:58 AM -0400 3/20/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: I had another Blue Screen freeze this AM. May be not related to the M-Audio drivers? I may have restarted too quickly one time, and its possible Spotlight was still running? or actually, I was trying to access the Dock too quickly, before everything had finished loading ... seemed to remember having a kp at that point this time ... Half the panic logs point to the M-Audio driver. The other half point to the VIDEO card! Not good. Try pulling that card and making sure all the contacts are clean, etc. If you have a diff video card you can try, that might be helpful. The other half ... goodness. I only thought when I changed video cards (from a new ATI Radeon 9800 Pro ME back to the Geforce 4MX) did I get a kp ... which seemed to straighten itself out with several restarts. After AppleJack, I'm back to using the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro ME, along with a replacement M-Audio 2496, my Rosewill NIC and Sonnet USB/FW with no Startup issues. I think both my video cards are ok. Several of the crash logs show mdworker failed. It is part of Spotlight's indexing system. The importer being used at the time of the crash was com.sibelius.MDImporter.score. That suggests either a) Sibelius' importer is buggy OR b) your disk needs repairing, and perhaps there are some corrupted files of the type that importer is accessing. I may need to re-install some Sibelius Save fixes ... they are OS X 10.5 specific. I switched back from 10.5 to 10.4.11 to try to escape my audio card woes ... and noticed Sibelius went bazzerk in the logs ... Note: I also replaced the PRAM battery with a fresh one Good. I see some of the panic logs are dated 1969 - which indicates a power manager failure. Replacing the battery is the first step to diagnosing that. I did a PRAM Reset startup and got a kp, IIRC. That's probably the 1969 kp. But I like having a fresh battery, just the same. Anyway, it looks like the M-Audio Delta Helper folder is now being accessed only AFTER the loginwindow.app starts, and runs through the StartupItems M-Audio Delta Helper (folder) items completely ... but only after the loginwindow.app. Previously, it looked like it was trying to start, and failed, before loginwindow.app ... then if it tried again, it would run to completion. Make sense? Ok. Can't tell - you didn't send any system.log files. The two Apple System Profiler reports in the first sitx Bill Connelly's Hearing Problems.sitx, were a Before and After snapshot, and should have contained the logs. Don't spx files contain the logs? ___BlueScreen.spx and ___AppleJackedStartRestart.spx files. I believe I sent additional info/logs in a second sitx file, but things seem to be working now, so we can move on to another day ... really seems to be working now. Multiple restarts and cold boots ... no issues. Thanks for your additional help. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 8:16 PM -0400 3/23/2009, insightinmind wrote: Anyway, it looks like the M-Audio Delta Helper folder is now being accessed only AFTER the loginwindow.app starts, and runs through the StartupItems M-Audio Delta Helper (folder) items completely ... but only after the loginwindow.app. Previously, it looked like it was trying to start, and failed, before loginwindow.app ... then if it tried again, it would run to completion. Make sense? Ok. Can't tell - you didn't send any system.log files. The two Apple System Profiler reports in the first sitx Bill Connelly's Hearing Problems.sitx, were a Before and After snapshot, and should have contained the logs. Don't spx files contain the logs? ___BlueScreen.spx and ___AppleJackedStartRestart.spx files. No, they don't contain the logs. I believe I sent additional info/logs in a second sitx file, That archive contained a bunch of logs, but not system.log but things seem to be working now, so we can move on to another day ... really seems to be working now. Multiple restarts and cold boots ... no issues. /me quietly crosses fingers. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
On Mar 23, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Dan wrote: At 8:16 PM -0400 3/23/2009, insightinmind wrote: Anyway, it looks like the M-Audio Delta Helper folder is now being accessed only AFTER the loginwindow.app starts, and runs through the StartupItems M-Audio Delta Helper (folder) items completely ... but only after the loginwindow.app. Previously, it looked like it was trying to start, and failed, before loginwindow.app ... then if it tried again, it would run to completion. Make sense? Ok. Can't tell - you didn't send any system.log files. The two Apple System Profiler reports in the first sitx Bill Connelly's Hearing Problems.sitx, were a Before and After snapshot, and should have contained the logs. Don't spx files contain the logs? ___BlueScreen.spx and ___AppleJackedStartRestart.spx files. No, they don't contain the logs. So the spx file I sent doesn't contain the system.log? I thought it did if you open it in SystemProfiler.app, and look down the left column, click on Logs and then on system.log. Not there? ... but things seem to be working now, so we can move on to another day ... really seems to be working now. Multiple restarts and cold boots ... no issues. /me quietly crosses fingers. Thanks. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
Bill sent me the m-audio driver and his panic crash logs... At 4:58 PM -0400 3/19/2009, insightinmind wrote: Running AppleJack may have solved the problem. At 8:58 AM -0400 3/20/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: I had another Blue Screen freeze this AM. May be not related to the M-Audio drivers? Half the panic logs point to the M-Audio driver. The other half point to the VIDEO card! Not good. Try pulling that card and making sure all the contacts are clean, etc. If you have a diff video card you can try, that might be helpful. Several of the crash logs show mdworker failed. It is part of Spotlight's indexing system. The importer being used at the time of the crash was com.sibelius.MDImporter.score. That suggests either a) Sibelius' importer is buggy OR b) your disk needs repairing, and perhaps there are some corrupted files of the type that importer is accessing. Note: I also replaced the PRAM battery with a fresh one Good. I see some of the panic logs are dated 1969 - which indicates a power manager failure. Replacing the battery is the first step to diagnosing that. created a new Network Location which selects Using DHCP, but I force the listing of only 1 DNS Server, the usual 192.168.1.1. The Location setup by the OS listed the server twice for some reason (192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.1) Normal. Duping the DNS is done create a retry on time-out lookups. If you're having difficulties with name lookups, switch to real DSN servers such as 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2, instead of using your router's forwarder. Anyway, it looks like the M-Audio Delta Helper folder is now being accessed only AFTER the loginwindow.app starts, and runs through the StartupItems M-Audio Delta Helper (folder) items completely ... but only after the loginwindow.app. Previously, it looked like it was trying to start, and failed, before loginwindow.app ... then if it tried again, it would run to completion. Make sense? Ok. Can't tell - you didn't send any system.log files. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 2:08 PM -0400 3/18/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On Mar 18, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Dan wrote: The driver package you're installing... how big is it? is it available for public download? Yes. Delta_OSX_2.0.8.dmg from www.m-Audio.com Support Drivers Updates Delta Series Delta Audiophile 2496 OS X 10.5.6: m-audio.com seems to be down. :( The reason I'm asking ... Their Installer was written to comply with 10.4.11 ... it didn't change when 10.5 came out. They're Un-installer doesn't work under 10.5 ... although it works under 10.4. yea, I saw that in your forum thread. Doubt that's the problem tho. Just thought that might indicate an Installer bookkeeping problem on m- audio tech staff's part. If they don't know how to remove the files they Install, could they be installed incorrectly? Could be. When a developer is sloppy with the simple, he/she/it just can't be trusted with the rest, IMO. Starting to smell like a timing issue; maybe the driver is poking at the card, before it's ready, then not sticking around for the response. Looking at the system.log and panic reports to Apple seems to me it occurs around LoginWindow ... before / after timing problem ... I'm just guessing though ... don't really know how to read these reports ... Pls zip up the logs and email 'em to me. I'd like to take a look at 'em. AGP Slot1 ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition PCI Slot2 empty (for air circulation around the video card) PCI Slot3 M-Audio 2496 Rev B (v 2.0.8) PCI Slot4 Rosewill NIC 10/100/1000 PCI Slot5 Sonnet Tango USB1.1/FW400 Everything works fine in 10.5.6 before the M-Audio drivers try to kick in. Ran for about a week before the replacement audio card arrived and I installed the drivers. Week of light duty use ... but multiple Cold Boots and Restarts with no problems. Ok. It's remotely possible that there are some kext conficts. I might be able to tell from the logs. AHT runs and tests the mobo ok. Could my PCI bus be flaky? Probably not. Maybe a bad slot or bad contacts on that card. Next time you're in there, it might be worth trying things with just the M-Audio card in there, then again in a diff slot. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
At 12:13 AM -0400 3/18/2009, insightinmind wrote: Is it possible to install 3rd party drivers during a Safe Boot? yes. If so, is it better? No. Slap the files in and you still have to reboot to load 'em. Stumped again ... this involves a new replacement PCI audio card installed in my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, OS X 10.5.6, 1.5GB SDRAM. Same Old Problem New PCI Audio card. I'm having trouble with its drivers loading sometimes, and other times not ... seems to be having problems around Login Window. I use auto Login on Startup and Restarts. Cold Boot sometimes gives me a Blue Screen, Restarts sometimes fixes things. hum. Hit the CUDA, to restart the power manager after you install the card. Use AppleJack to clear the kernel caches and rebuild them. Get rid of auto-login. Having things STOP and display that login screen tells you if it got that far properly. Then you can see how things go from there. Loading sometimes... Does it seem to load more often on a warm restart or a cold boot (from power off). I'm thinking maybe the card isn't coming to life and responding to the driver's initial probe fast enough. Apologies for being vague ... particulars can be found on M-Audio's site Forum (if you're really interested): http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?t=3856 Off to read that. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
On Mar 18, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:13 AM -0400 3/18/2009, insightinmind wrote: Is it possible to install 3rd party drivers during a Safe Boot? yes. If so, is it better? No. Slap the files in and you still have to reboot to load 'em. So there's no difference in Ownership or Permissions that might affect Startup loading, if I install drivers in a Safe Boot versus Administrative User Mode? Maybe not OS X 10.5 - wise, but if the 3rd party Installer isn't written quite right ... could a difference be made? The reason I'm asking ... Their Installer was written to comply with 10.4.11 ... it didn't change when 10.5 came out. They're Un-installer doesn't work under 10.5 ... although it works under 10.4. Stumped again ... this involves a new replacement PCI audio card installed in my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, OS X 10.5.6, 1.5GB SDRAM. Same Old Problem New PCI Audio card. I'm having trouble with its drivers loading sometimes, and other times not ... seems to be having problems around Login Window. I use auto Login on Startup and Restarts. Cold Boot sometimes gives me a Blue Screen, Restarts sometimes fixes things. hum. Hit the CUDA, to restart the power manager after you install the card. Use AppleJack to clear the kernel caches and rebuild them. I did a Safe Boot thinking that replenished caches. But I will try the CUDA again, and Applejack. Get rid of auto-login. Having things STOP and display that login screen tells you if it got that far properly. Then you can see how things go from there. Loading sometimes... Does it seem to load more often on a warm restart or a cold boot (from power off). I'm thinking maybe the card isn't coming to life and responding to the driver's initial probe fast enough. More so in a warm, Restart. Funny ... earlier today ... they didn't load on Cold Boot ... but did so later in the same session ... have 2 Apple System Profiler's to prove it. Apologies for being vague ... particulars can be found on M-Audio's site Forum (if you're really interested): http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?t=3856 Off to read that. It's the Plus file in the M-Audio Forum (go to page 5 ). Sorry for it being in pdf ... they won't allow spx, although I can trick their system by calling it a pdf file ... except it has to be less than 1MB. Thanks for your help. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6
On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: OS X 10.5.6 1.5GB SDRAM (2 new from OWC, 1 old from DMS ... all 512 PC133) AGP Slot1 ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition PCI Slot2 empty (for air circulation around the video card) PCI Slot3 M-Audio 2496 Rev B (v 2.0.8) PCI Slot4 Rosewill NIC 10/100/1000 PCI Slot5 Sonnet Tango USB1.1/FW400 Is something wrong with the onboard ethernet, FW and USB? My first inclination would be to temporarily remove the NIC and the Sonnett card, and see if you get the kinds of problems you're seeing. Then I'd move the M-audio card to another slot to see if it IS the slot. Everything works fine in 10.5.6 before the M-Audio drivers try to kick in. Ran for about a week before the replacement audio card arrived and I installed the drivers. Week of light duty use ... but multiple Cold Boots and Restarts with no problems. I don't know how much current the M-Audio card pulls, it's possible that you're skating close to some limit or another. See what happens if you remove the other cards. If it still happens it's either the drivers or something flaky with your logic board. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
