Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-25 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 
 
The only computer from Radio Shack that I remember was the Tandy Apple 
 Clone ... Never knew they made others too???

A whole string...Tandy/Radio Shack were pretty big early players in the 
Personal Computer market.

The very first one I ever had access to was a TRS-80 
http://oldcomputers.net/trs80i.html that a room-mate got on loan to help a 
professor write a BASIC programming manual. 

We didn't even have a tape deck to store programs on, or a printer to print out 
the source for the ones we did do. It spent a couple months on our dining room 
table running a program that displayed a clock on the screen. This had to be 
around 1979-1980. I didn't get my own computer until '84, a used Apple 
][+...used that for four years until I got my first Mac in 1988.

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-25 Thread JoeTaxpayer
I remember the Radio Shack TRS-80, otherwise known as trash-80.
Played on it at store but never bought, I used a Commodore 64 at that
time.

On Oct 25, 1:52 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote:
    The only computer from Radio Shack that I remember was the Tandy Apple 
 Clone ... Never knew they made others too???-Original Message-

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-25 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:09 AM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.comwrote:

 I remember the Radio Shack TRS-80, otherwise known as trash-80.
 Played on it at store but never bought, I used a Commodore 64 at that
 time.


Lets see, in my life I have used

Education settings


1) Apple ][e at my first HS and in my first college

2) TRS-80 at my second HS (in class) but it had an Apple ][e in the library.

 I forget which TRS-80 model but I remember it was Blue

3) This is more complex but here goes. Another college I attended had
various

 Apple computers

  a) LCII in MY dorm room but others had LCII or comparable computers

  b) LC models in one computer lab, another lab had an SE/30, a Centris,
a

  Quadra, various II models and I think the odd SE model. This lab
had a few

  PCs too

4) Various PCs at my last college

5) At an elementary school I did a 1 week stint as a Temp (Janitor) they had
an LC

 with the Apple ][e card in it.


At home I have had:

NOTE: Not sure if the ADAM or C=64 came first


1) An Atari 2600 (I coveted the KB that I saw in a few ads). I never got
said KB

2) An ADAM Home Computer (from my Aunt). I still have it

3) A C=64 (from a friend). 1st one died and was sent in for repair. I still
have #2

 along with my 5.25 floppy drive (I may have more than one)

4) Mac Performa 405 with a StyleWriter II printer. This was for the family
but when

 dad upgraded it went to my room. Yep, I still have it.

5) PowerMac 6100. At first this was Dad's toy but it became the family
computer. It

 stayed with my parents till it died. Sent in for repairs it came back
as something

 else (I forget the model but it was a MB swap)

6) Was gone when this happened but Mom got an Apple IIgs. I covet this
machine!


Now a subset, those that I got on my own (in no particular order)


512K (2)

Plus (6, some have screen issues I am told I can fix by cleaning the MB)

SE

SE FDHD

IIcx

IIsi (2)

IIci (I *Heart* my IIci)

LC

Performa 405  (noted above)

Performa 450

Quadra 605

Quadra 650 MB

PowerMac 5260/100

PowerMac 5400/180 (both these machines are acting up)

PowerMac 8600/200

Blue  White G3 (a Smurf)

Quicksilver (800 MHz running Tiger 10.4.11)

Apple ][e (3, 2 are set up and 1 is gonna be a print spooler)

Apple //c

Franklin Ace 500 (Apple clone, it does not currently work)


And a Sun 3/60

An Atari (I cannot remember which model)


And my PC (in no order)


An HP that takes 8 Floppies

8088

8086

Various PCs (386, 486 and some Pentiums)



My local library is all PCs



 On Oct 25, 1:52 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote:
 The only computer from Radio Shack that I remember was the Tandy
 Apple Clone ... Never knew they made others too???-Original
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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-25 Thread Clark Martin

On Oct 24, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

 
 On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:
 
 
 
   The only computer from Radio Shack that I remember was the Tandy Apple 
 Clone ... Never knew they made others too???
 
 A whole string...Tandy/Radio Shack were pretty big early players in the 
 Personal Computer market.
 
 The very first one I ever had access to was a TRS-80 
 http://oldcomputers.net/trs80i.html that a room-mate got on loan to help a 
 professor write a BASIC programming manual. 
 
 We didn't even have a tape deck to store programs on, or a printer to print 
 out the source for the ones we did do. It spent a couple months on our dining 
 room table running a program that displayed a clock on the screen. This had 
 to be around 1979-1980. I didn't get my own computer until '84, a used Apple 
 ][+...used that for four years until I got my first Mac in 1988.


At one time the RS TRS-80 (Trash-80), Commodore Pet and the Apple ][ were big 
three of off-the-shelf personal computing.  They all had comparable abilities, 
built in basic, tape storage and so on.  

The TRS-80 was an over sized keyboard which connected a video monitor and 
cassette deck, in either case, either generic or their own model.  RS later did 
sell an upgraded model that was an all-in-one design with two 5.25 floppies.  
Radio Shack did, IIRC, sell a RS branded IBM pc compatible for a time but gave 
up after a while and started selling other brand pcs.


I got my ][+ in 1981 and moved up to a Mac 512K in 1985 (later upgraded to a 
512Ke and then Plus).  I donated the Apple ][+ after I got the Mac but I still 
have that first Mac.


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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-25 Thread Clark Martin

On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:09 AM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote:
 I remember the Radio Shack TRS-80, otherwise known as trash-80.
 Played on it at store but never bought, I used a Commodore 64 at that
 time.
 
 Lets see, in my life I have used
 
 Education settings
 
 1) Apple ][e at my first HS and in my first college
 2) TRS-80 at my second HS (in class) but it had an Apple ][e in the library.
  I forget which TRS-80 model but I remember it was Blue
 3) This is more complex but here goes. Another college I attended had various
  Apple computers
   a) LCII in MY dorm room but others had LCII or comparable computers
   b) LC models in one computer lab, another lab had an SE/30, a Centris, a
   Quadra, various II models and I think the odd SE model. This lab 
 had a few
   PCs too
 4) Various PCs at my last college
 5) At an elementary school I did a 1 week stint as a Temp (Janitor) they had 
 an LC
  with the Apple ][e card in it.

In HS we had two ASR-33 teletypes hooked up via acoustic coupler / modem to an 
HP model 2000E minicomputer.  Somewhere along the line we got real high class 
and got a CRT terminal.  That had a 300 baud acoustic coupler / modem, h, 
fast.  In college I had an 8080 system, a totally custom system I designed and 
built.  


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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-25 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

The TRS-80 was an over sized keyboard which connected a video  
monitor and cassette deck, in either case, either generic or their  
own model.  RS later did sell an upgraded model that was an all-in- 
one design with two 5.25 floppies.  on it.


My wife worked for a company that had one of those back in the mid- 
late 80's; she did word processing and spreadsheets on it. Her boss  
also had a Panasonic or Toshiba(?) semi-DOS compatible laptop with  
this huge (for the time) 12 plasma display. Really cool.


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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-24 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Bill Brown thunder...@mindspring.comwrote:

 Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
 hard drive, eh?

 Bill


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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-24 Thread Jeff Bequette


On Oct 23, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Vic vma...@gmail.com wrote:

On Oct 22, 3:48 pm, Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 22/10/10 4:14 PM, Bill Brown thunder...@mindspring.com wrote:

  Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
  hard drive, eh?

  Bill

 http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium 
...

  m_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29

What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?
The Commodore computers? The ADAM Home Computers?

I wonder because I have a Commodore Plus/4 and a C=64 as well as an  
old ADAM Home Computer. I know the ADAM took tapes but I heard it  
could use an HD as well (never investigated this so maybe it was  
akin to Vaporware)



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I remember looking at a whopping 10mb external HD for my Mac 512ke,  
maybe a Cider?  cost was north of $1000, which could be why I kept  
doing the floppy shuffle.




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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-24 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jeff Bequette jbeque...@tconl.com wrote:



 What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?
 The Commodore computers? The ADAM Home Computers?

 I wonder because I have a Commodore Plus/4 and a C=64 as well as an old
 ADAM Home Computer. I know the ADAM took tapes but I heard it could use an
 HD as well (never investigated this so maybe it was akin to Vaporware)

 _

Amigas at first had no HD. But expensive adapters soon emerged.
They took for the most part SCSI which was later built in to some models.
ISA and Zorros slots could run IDE cards. HDs were very expensive. My first
used A500 bought in 1993 had a 40 MB in a big box that housed the interface
also. and also had a RAM expansion in between the HD and the console.
Ungainly but not bad when you got used to it. Then models with slots came.
There are even USB adapters now.

A so called COmmodore 64 is reemrging. A console PC really.

Tandy/Radio Shack models called CoCos ( Color Computers ) used tape drives.
I think it is only in the last ten years their adherents have developed
drive interfaces.


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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-24 Thread Richard Gerome
 The only computer from Radio Shack that I remember was the "Tandy Apple Clone" ... Never knew they made others too???-Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio <fluxstrin...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Interesting Vintage Website

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jeff Bequette jbeque...@tconl.com wrote:

What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?

The Commodore computers? The ADAM Home Computers? I wonder because I have a Commodore Plus/4 and a C=64 as well as an old ADAM Home Computer. I know the ADAM took tapes but I heard it could use an HD as well (never investigated this so maybe it was akin to Vaporware)

_Amigas at first had no HD. But expensive adapters soon emerged.They took for the most part SCSI which was later built in to some models. ISA and Zorros slots could run IDE cards. HDs were very expensive. My first used A500 bought in 1993 had a 40 MB in a big box that housed the interface also. and also had a RAM expansion in between the HD and the console. Ungainly but not bad when you got used to it. Then models with slots came. There are even USB adapters now.

A so called COmmodore 64 is reemrging. A console PC really.Tandy/Radio Shack models called CoCos ( Color Computers ) used tape drives. I think it is only in the last ten years their adherents have developed drive interfaces.

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-23 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Vic vma...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Oct 22, 3:48 pm, Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 22/10/10 4:14 PM, Bill Brown thunder...@mindspring.com wrote:
 
   Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
   hard drive, eh?
 
   Bill
 
  http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium.
 ..
   m_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29
 
  I remember watching a television series (via video tape) in high school
 for
  computer class and one episode discussed hard drives and how they will
  revolutionize desktop PC's one day.  Of course the sample they showed was
  the size of a steering wheel.  I believe the drive was from IBM.

 When I was in school, we had a hard drive - the size of a washing
 machine.  The disk was replaceable and about 3 feet in diameter.
 Capacity? 1 megabyte...
 V Mabus


Hmmm, I have plenty of older HDs.

Physically my biggest SCSI is an old ST-296N. Capacity-wise I am not sure.
Probably the one in my 8600/200 (unless the Smurf uses SCSI)

I also have some MFM and RLL HDs but I lack an ESDI HD (it's on my list!)


What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?

The Commodore computers? The ADAM Home Computers?


I wonder because I have a Commodore Plus/4 and a C=64 as well as an old ADAM
Home Computer. I know the ADAM took tapes but I heard it could use an HD as
well (never investigated this so maybe it was akin to Vaporware)


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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-23 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Oct 23, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?


There was a very expensive 5MB Winchester hard drive for the Apple  
II series,. I don't remember what the interface was, but believe it  
was proprietary.


The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the  
Appletalk port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI  
on the inside.


For all Macs from the Plus on, until the advent of IDE drives, they  
used SCSI.


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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-23 Thread Clark Martin

On Oct 23, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

 
 On Oct 23, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
 
 What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?
 
 There was a very expensive 5MB Winchester hard drive for the Apple II 
 series,. I don't remember what the interface was, but believe it was 
 proprietary.
 
 The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the Appletalk 
 port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI on the inside.

It was probably ST-506 on the inside, that was the most common interface at the 
time.  Many of the early external SCSI drives were ST-506 with an adapter.

There were three types of HD drives available for the Mac 512K (and possibly 
the 128K) before the Apple drive using the floppy port came out.  There was a 
drive using the serial port (it didn't use AppleTalk, it used a proprietary 1 
MBPS protocol.  There were a couple of SCSI interfaces that used the battery 
compartment door for the 50 AMP SCSI connector.  And of course there was the 
HyperDrive, the really cool one which put the drive inside the case (and more 
load on the power supply)

 For all Macs from the Plus on, until the advent of IDE drives, they used SCSI.

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-23 Thread Doug McNutt
At 11:19 -0700 10/23/10, Bruce Johnson wrote:
The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the  Appletalk 
port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI  on the inside.

I'm pretty sure there was one - MacBottom? - that connected to the 19 pin D 
connector for an external floppy. It probably just pretended to be a really big 
floppy.

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-23 Thread Clark Martin

On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Doug McNutt wrote:

 At 11:19 -0700 10/23/10, Bruce Johnson wrote:
 The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the  
 Appletalk port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI  on the 
 inside.
 
 I'm pretty sure there was one - MacBottom? - that connected to the 19 pin D 
 connector for an external floppy. It probably just pretended to be a really 
 big floppy.


There was a MacBottom but I can't recall if it was SCSI or the floppy 
interface.  

Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-22 Thread Arnel Tuazon
On 22/10/10 4:14 PM, Bill Brown thunder...@mindspring.com wrote:

 Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
 hard drive, eh?
 
 Bill
 
 http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailut
 m_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29

I remember watching a television series (via video tape) in high school for
computer class and one episode discussed hard drives and how they will
revolutionize desktop PC's one day.  Of course the sample they showed was
the size of a steering wheel.  I believe the drive was from IBM.


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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-22 Thread Vic


On Oct 22, 3:48 pm, Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 22/10/10 4:14 PM, Bill Brown thunder...@mindspring.com wrote:

  Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
  hard drive, eh?

  Bill

 http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium...
  m_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29

 I remember watching a television series (via video tape) in high school for
 computer class and one episode discussed hard drives and how they will
 revolutionize desktop PC's one day.  Of course the sample they showed was
 the size of a steering wheel.  I believe the drive was from IBM.

When I was in school, we had a hard drive - the size of a washing
machine.  The disk was replaceable and about 3 feet in diameter.
Capacity? 1 megabyte...
V Mabus

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