Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
On Sep 27, 10:46 pm, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" wrote: > Coming in late here but I/O problems always lead me to check hardware > connections first. Dirty connectors are very common. And this is in keeping > with the "kiss" principle. Adrian, That's very sound advice, but (fortunately) that wasn't the issue this particular time. I never lost " hard" connectivity --I could boot into firmware, startup options or safe mode; the loss of keyboard input happened only once the system was loaded. Then the keyboard wouldn't work. It did power up, and I could connect a mouse to it and use it, amazingly enough. All three RAM slots are OK. I tested them while the problem was happening, before, and after. Thankfully, they are now filled with compatible 512Mb PC133 chips. The stick in question was also a 512Mb PC133 one, same number of pins and everything, but for some mysterious reason not only wasn't detected, but created this problem. Who knows? F -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Ashgrove wrote: > Hi Matevž, > > I solved the problem by popping in another HDD with Leopard already > installed. The other drive is already erased, and I got rid of the > incompatible RAM, so I guess I'll never know what happened. Too bad, > because I'm still curious as to what exactly happened. It was a first > for me. > > Googling it, I found a few cases of the exact same problem, a couple > in Mac OS X and one in Ubuntu, but no solutions. Could it be a Unix > bug? Incompatible RAM = losing keyboard input? > > Thanks, > _ > Coming in late here but I/O problems always lead me to check hardware connections first. Dirty connectors are very common. And this is in keeping with the "kiss" principle. Suspicions about internal hardware or software issues often leads to unnecessary financial loss and grief. So is a favorite cash cow of service guys. Bad cables, or ends, ports are the first places to check for any I/O problem. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://remnantsofthestorm.blogspot.com http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
On Sep 27, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Ashgrove wrote: I solved the problem by popping in another HDD with Leopard already installed. The other drive is already erased, and I got rid of the incompatible RAM, so I guess I'll never know what happened. Too bad, because I'm still curious as to what exactly happened. It was a first for me. Googling it, I found a few cases of the exact same problem, a couple in Mac OS X and one in Ubuntu, but no solutions. Could it be a Unix bug? Incompatible RAM = losing keyboard input Haven't seen much on when bad RAM is installed, except erratic behavior can result ... the OS X system evidently can't see it. It would make sense that with a new OS X installed (on the new drive), having no problems implies the old OS X system had something wrong with it, possibly due to the RAM being bad ... Maybe someone else can provide a better guess. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
Hi Matevž, I solved the problem by popping in another HDD with Leopard already installed. The other drive is already erased, and I got rid of the incompatible RAM, so I guess I'll never know what happened. Too bad, because I'm still curious as to what exactly happened. It was a first for me. Googling it, I found a few cases of the exact same problem, a couple in Mac OS X and one in Ubuntu, but no solutions. Could it be a Unix bug? Incompatible RAM = losing keyboard input? Thanks, F -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
Hy! Have you since solved your problem with bad extensions? If not, try recreating the mkext, or play with kernel extensions (perhaps they are not even loaded ... ?) "sudo kextload/kextunload" If it would not help, then I would just reinstall the system. Yours, Matevž Markovič -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
On Sep 25, 4:51 pm, Bill Connelly wrote: > I knew you said different hard drive, but didn't that imply a > different copy of the OS X? i.e., non-perturbed USB extensions and such? Well yeah, a hard drive from a different computer wouldn't have its USB extensions screwed up. Maybe they were working for the mouse but not for keyboard input. You got a good point there. F -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Ashgrove wrote: On Sep 24, 2:59 pm, Bill Connelly wrote: Like someone said earlier, sounds like the system USB apps got messed up with the bad RAM. Wonder if a Combo update to the old system would replenish the apps. Don't know here, just guessing ... Not exactly, because the mouse worked perfectly in all USB ports, including the keyboard's.It is back to normal now with a different hard drive, though. It's just bizarre... -- I knew you said different hard drive, but didn't that imply a different copy of the OS X? i.e., non-perturbed USB extensions and such? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Ashgrove wrote: > On Sep 25, 12:59 pm, John Markowitz wrote: >> I've had HHD's do strange things. it would be interesting to know if >> DiskWarrior could fix your problem? > > Good that you mention that, John. I tried DiskWarrior, but it didn't > do a thing. I solved the problem switching to another HDD, but now I > wonder what the h*** happened, you know? > Try DW on it as an external and then for laughs put it back in and see if it works now. I think it's a deep reset thing and just the changing of the HDD did it. John M wtmm Anaheim OC dadbe...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Ashgrove wrote: > On Sep 25, 12:59 pm, John Markowitz wrote: >> I've had HHD's do strange things. it would be interesting to know if >> DiskWarrior could fix your problem? > > Good that you mention that, John. I tried DiskWarrior, but it didn't > do a thing. I solved the problem switching to another HDD, but now I > wonder what the h*** happened, you know? Try DW on it as an external and then for laughs put it back in and see if it works now. I think it's a deep reset thing and just the changing of the HDD did it. WTMM John M Anaheim OC dadbe...@gmail.com <>-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
On Sep 25, 12:59 pm, John Markowitz wrote: > I've had HHD's do strange things. it would be interesting to know if > DiskWarrior could fix your problem? Good that you mention that, John. I tried DiskWarrior, but it didn't do a thing. I solved the problem switching to another HDD, but now I wonder what the h*** happened, you know? F -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
> > Not exactly, because the mouse worked perfectly in all USB ports, > including the keyboard's.It is back to normal now with a different > hard drive, though. It's just bizarre... I've had HHD's do strange things. it would be interesting to know if DiskWarrior could fix your problem? John M Anaheim OC dadbe...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
On Sep 24, 2:59 pm, Bill Connelly wrote: > Like someone said earlier, sounds like the system USB apps got messed > up with the bad RAM. Wonder if a Combo update to the old system would > replenish the apps. Don't know here, just guessing ... Not exactly, because the mouse worked perfectly in all USB ports, including the keyboard's.It is back to normal now with a different hard drive, though. It's just bizarre... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Ashgrove wrote: Tried all of the above. No cigar. Then I switched the HDD for another HDD with Leopard also installed (remnants of a dying MDD that I'm parting out) and everything works as it should. Like someone said earlier, sounds like the system USB apps got messed up with the bad RAM. Wonder if a Combo update to the old system would replenish the apps. Don't know here, just guessing ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
Hi Matevž, Thanks for the good advice! The keyboard actually worked for all purposes like selecting the startup drive, getting into firmware, booting into safe mode, and so forth. It's when the OS is loaded that I would lose all keyboard input. Tried all of the above. No cigar. Then I switched the HDD for another HDD with Leopard also installed (remnants of a dying MDD that I'm parting out) and everything works as it should. I Googled the problem and found at least a couple of instances where people lost keyboard access after trying an incompatible stick of RAM, but zero solutions or explanations. So now, although I solved the problem somehow, I am curious as to what might have caused it in the first place. Any ideas? Thanks again, Felix -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver loses keyboard input
Hello! I would recomend to look at the open-firmware(reset nvram, reset-all). But since you have no option of inputing text into the console (perhaps it would work with a bluetooth keyboard), try resseting the PMU the hard way (via battery on the logic board). The reason why I think that firmware is causing problems is that other devices (such as mice) are working in the same USB slots). Perhaps part of the firmware got corrupt. Anyway, try pulling the battery out of the logic board (look for the instructions on the Apple web site). I hope that will help. Matevž Markovič -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
