Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
I have a Quicksilver 733Mhz G$ Tiger. Ebay has a 1gig dual up for bid. Is it possible to upgrade to 1 gig cpu? It is, but you MUST get the dual 1.0 GHz heat sink with the dual 1.0 GHz processor card, and it is best to get the fan unit as well. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
Thanks. Is there a different heat sink? It is, but you MUST get the dual 1.0 GHz heat sink with the dual 1.0 GHz processor card, and it is best to get the fan unit as well. Most definitely. Although the form factor of the processor card is the same between single and duals, and the bottom side is the same, the placement of the PPC chip or PPC chips are different, so the top side is quite different. A single processor heat sink has the provision for one centrally located processor. A dual processor heat sink has the provision for two offset processors. The heat sink mount is the same. A single processor heat sink will not cover the two processors on a dual processor, and this is a known fact. A dual processor heat sink possibly could be modified to cover a single processor, but this is conjecture. The raw (i.e., unpopulated) dual processor boards are identical between the QS 2001 dual 800 MHz and the QS 2002 dual 1000 MHz, however the boards are stuffed completely differently because of clock generator and processor voltage regulator differences. I would, therefore, expect that the heat sinks would be the same between the QS 2001 and QS 2002, within single and dual models. As always, the PPCs are run so very hot that it is important when dismounting a processor to keep its heat sink with the processor. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
Many thanks. I`ve been told that I should upgrade the CPU, possibly the video card, and install a sata internal drive with card. I`ll take the advice. Gene From: peterh...@cruzio.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected Thanks. Is there a different heat sink? It is, but you MUST get the dual 1.0 GHz heat sink with the dual 1.0 GHz processor card, and it is best to get the fan unit as well. Most definitely. Although the form factor of the processor card is the same between single and duals, and the bottom side is the same, the placement of the PPC chip or PPC chips are different, so the top side is quite different. A single processor heat sink has the provision for one centrally located processor. A dual processor heat sink has the provision for two offset processors. The heat sink mount is the same. A single processor heat sink will not cover the two processors on a dual processor, and this is a known fact. A dual processor heat sink possibly could be modified to cover a single processor, but this is conjecture. The raw (i.e., unpopulated) dual processor boards are identical between the QS 2001 dual 800 MHz and the QS 2002 dual 1000 MHz, however the boards are stuffed completely differently because of clock generator and processor voltage regulator differences. I would, therefore, expect that the heat sinks would be the same between the QS 2001 and QS 2002, within single and dual models. As always, the PPCs are run so very hot that it is important when dismounting a processor to keep its heat sink with the processor. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
Il giorno 8-11-2011 20:13, Gene Henley ha scritto: I`ve been told that I should upgrade the CPU, possibly the video card, and install a sata internal drive with card. Mhhh... have you considered getting an used G5? Depending on the place you live in, G5s could be found as cheap as 200$. A G5 would probably offer you a (wy) faster CPU, a faster video card, SATA built-in... and you'd still have compatibility with all the (OSX) programs you're using on the G4 (and many OS9 apps within Classic). Unless you're using the G4 mostly in OS9, I would think about a G5. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected Date:Tuesday, 08. November 2011 From:peterh...@cruzio.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I would, therefore, expect that the heat sinks would be the same between the QS 2001 and QS 2002, within single and dual models. They are. My heatsink from a Dual 800 MHz processor module fits perfectly on a Dual 1 GHz module. FYI even the module design (the placement of the parts on it) looks astonishing alike. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected Date:Tuesday, 08. November 2011 From:Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Il giorno 8-11-2011 20:13, Gene Henley ha scritto: I`ve been told that I should upgrade the CPU, possibly the video card, and install a sata internal drive with card. Mhhh... have you considered getting an used G5? Depending on the place you live in, G5s could be found as cheap as 200$. A G5 would probably offer you a (wy) faster CPU, a faster video card, SATA built-in... and you'd still have compatibility with all the (OSX) programs you're using on the G4 (and many OS9 apps within Classic). Unless you're using the G4 mostly in OS9, I would think about a G5. I have a couple of G4s and two G5s. And I can confirm that a G5 Dual 2 GHz just rocks with Leopard compated to a single 1.6 GHz G4 and a Dual 800 MHz G4. When using Tiger you will still get OS 9 though Classic. With prices going in a reasonable range and unless you don't really require Mac OS 9 (native), like Valter, I would also recommend getting a used G5 rather than upgrading a G4. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected Date:Tuesday, 08. November 2011 From:Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Il giorno 8-11-2011 20:13, Gene Henley ha scritto: I`ve been told that I should upgrade the CPU, possibly the video card, and install a sata internal drive with card. Mhhh... have you considered getting an used G5? Depending on the place you live in, G5s could be found as cheap as 200$. A G5 would probably offer you a (wy) faster CPU, a faster video card, SATA built-in... and you'd still have compatibility with all the (OSX) programs you're using on the G4 (and many OS9 apps within Classic). Unless you're using the G4 mostly in OS9, I would think about a G5. I use a G4 and G5 because I need to boot OS9 but if all you need is Classic and can afford to buy a PM G5 then you can have Tiger and OS 9.2.2 on one partition and Leopard on the other. I stay with iTunes 9 on both the partitions so I can use the same library on both. If you upgrade to iTunes 10 on the Leopard partition then the Tiger wont be able to access it:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
I'd be curious to see what performance boost you observe. With a bus at 167MHz, you may find, depending on the application, that the bottleneck isn't the processor speed. There are use cases where faster processors add no improvement at all. On Nov 6, 6:15 pm, David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that message par, I have a dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU board on it's way to me right now that is intended to replace my current dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU's, and I am hoping that it will be an easy switch from one to the other in my MDD G4 PowerMac when it arrives. I am also interested in possibly over- clocking the 1.42GHz G4 CPU's to 1.5GHz, or 1.67GHz to give it the maximum amount of speed difference, over the performance I now have with my stock 1.25GHz G4's. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
I see a good speed hike with InDesign and Photo Shop. Usually the processor upgrades for the Quicksilver are so expensive I haven't even considered them, but recently got a good deal - $50 - which made it reasonable. Paul Riemerman On Nov 6, 4:56 pm, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: par prieme...@q.com I just upgraded my 933 Mhz Quicksilver 2002 with a 1 Ghz dual processor. It was much easier than I thought it would be, based on installation instructions I picked up on the net, implying you're almost certain to bend the processor pins/wreck the upgrade processor. I just took special care to pull the old processor straight up, and not force in the new processor. Anyone you got the idea it's not an upgrade to try without extreme skill stop worrrying. I have a recently purchased 933 Mhz Quicksilver 2002. Just curious as to how much of a noticeable speed increase you see with the dual 1 GHz upgrade. I have been thinking of doing a processor and video card upgrade on the cheap. Any recommendations on a video card upgrade? Not worried about the installation, as you stated be careful with the pins. And I always use grounding strap to prevent any fatal static discharges. --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
Mind you, the G4 was a fine machine and it served me well... I loved it, and enjoyed it for 7 years. Still, some heavy loads like Adobe CS make it huff and puff... I think the problem with the G4s was a barely adequate supporting chipset with a low FSB and memory access speeds. The G5 overcame those problems and the computer felt/was much faster than the G4s. Have a Dual 1,42GHz FW800 and a 1,5GHz PowerBook G4 and, under a standard load (web surfing, document editing, a bit of PowerPoint for work) they don`t feel much different running Leopard. Of course, the desktop have more RAM available which can make a difference when working with large files or with many open programs. Gorka -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
Thanks Paul that's exactly what I wanted to know. I run an old version of InDesign and PhotoShop. $50 sounds about right. I'll be checking the LEM Swap list an eBay for deals --glen - Original Message - From: par prieme...@q.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected I see a good speed hike with InDesign and Photo Shop. Usually the processor upgrades for the Quicksilver are so expensive I haven't even considered them, but recently got a good deal - $50 - which made it reasonable. Paul Riemerman On Nov 6, 4:56 pm, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: par prieme...@q.com I just upgraded my 933 Mhz Quicksilver 2002 with a 1 Ghz dual processor. It was much easier than I thought it would be, based on installation instructions I picked up on the net, implying you're almost certain to bend the processor pins/wreck the upgrade processor. I just took special care to pull the old processor straight up, and not force in the new processor. Anyone you got the idea it's not an upgrade to try without extreme skill stop worrrying. I have a recently purchased 933 Mhz Quicksilver 2002. Just curious as to how much of a noticeable speed increase you see with the dual 1 GHz upgrade. I have been thinking of doing a processor and video card upgrade on the cheap. Any recommendations on a video card upgrade? Not worried about the installation, as you stated be careful with the pins. And I always use grounding strap to prevent any fatal static discharges. --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
- Original Message - From: par prieme...@q.com I just upgraded my 933 Mhz Quicksilver 2002 with a 1 Ghz dual processor. It was much easier than I thought it would be, based on installation instructions I picked up on the net, implying you're almost certain to bend the processor pins/wreck the upgrade processor. I just took special care to pull the old processor straight up, and not force in the new processor. Anyone you got the idea it's not an upgrade to try without extreme skill stop worrrying. I have a recently purchased 933 Mhz Quicksilver 2002. Just curious as to how much of a noticeable speed increase you see with the dual 1 GHz upgrade. I have been thinking of doing a processor and video card upgrade on the cheap. Any recommendations on a video card upgrade? Not worried about the installation, as you stated be careful with the pins. And I always use grounding strap to prevent any fatal static discharges. --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
Thanks for that message par, I have a dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU board on it's way to me right now that is intended to replace my current dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU's, and I am hoping that it will be an easy switch from one to the other in my MDD G4 PowerMac when it arrives. I am also interested in possibly over- clocking the 1.42GHz G4 CPU's to 1.5GHz, or 1.67GHz to give it the maximum amount of speed difference, over the performance I now have with my stock 1.25GHz G4's. I could have looked for a dual 1.8GHz accelerated G4 CPU upgrade from one of the third party companies that manufacturers accelerators for Mac computers, but to my knowledge, none of them have the L3 cache that the stock G4 CPU cards have. It is my thinking that an over- clocked 1.42GHz G4 board should be as fast, or almost as fast at the 1.8GHz G4 upgrade board without the L3 cache in many benchmark tests. My goal in trying to get more speed is to get smoother video play back at higher resolutions. I have found that MorphOS2.7 with mPlayer can run 720p videos much smoother that MacOSX on the same hardware, and I hope that with my upgrade to 1.42GHz G4's (with or without overclocking) I will be able to play 720p videos without any skipped frames while running MorphOS2.7 and mPlayer. I will let everyone know how it turns out once the dual 1.42GHz G4's show up and I get them installed. If anyone here has any tips for that upgrade from 1.25GHz to 1.42GHz, tips or warnings about over- clocking the 1.42GHz G4's to 1.5GHz, or 1.67GHz, please send me a reply. On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:36 AM, par wrote: I just upgraded my 933 Mhz Quicksilver 2002 with a 1 Ghz dual processor. It was much easier than I thought it would be, based on installation instructions I picked up on the net, implying you're almost certain to bend the processor pins/wreck the upgrade processor. I just took special care to pull the old processor straight up, and not force in the new processor. Anyone you got the idea it's not an upgrade to try without extreme skill stop worrrying. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
Just curious - I looked a while back at the upgrades for my 933 QS and they seemed so expensive that it was almost worth it to get a used G5. Is the speed difference really that good? PS - Ill take the dual 1.25 if you have no plans for it and give it whirl in the QS. Please contact me off list. On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, David W. Morris wrote: Thanks for that message par, I have a dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU board on it's way to me right now that is intended to replace my current dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU's, and I am hoping that it will be an easy switch from one to the other in my MDD G4 PowerMac when it arrives. I am also interested in possibly over-clocking the 1.42GHz G4 CPU's to 1.5GHz, or 1.67GHz to give it the maximum amount of speed difference, over the performance I now have with my stock 1.25GHz G4's. I could have looked for a dual 1.8GHz accelerated G4 CPU upgrade from one of the third party companies that manufacturers accelerators for Mac computers, but to my knowledge, none of them have the L3 cache that the stock G4 CPU cards have. It is my thinking that an over-clocked 1.42GHz G4 board should be as fast, or almost as fast at the 1.8GHz G4 upgrade board without the L3 cache in many benchmark tests. My goal in trying to get more speed is to get smoother video play back at higher resolutions. I have found that MorphOS2.7 with mPlayer can run 720p videos much smoother that MacOSX on the same hardware, and I hope that with my upgrade to 1.42GHz G4's (with or without overclocking) I will be able to play 720p videos without any skipped frames while running MorphOS2.7 and mPlayer. I will let everyone know how it turns out once the dual 1.42GHz G4's show up and I get them installed. If anyone here has any tips for that upgrade from 1.25GHz to 1.42GHz, tips or warnings about over-clocking the 1.42GHz G4's to 1.5GHz, or 1.67GHz, please send me a reply. On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:36 AM, par wrote: I just upgraded my 933 Mhz Quicksilver 2002 with a 1 Ghz dual processor. It was much easier than I thought it would be, based on installation instructions I picked up on the net, implying you're almost certain to bend the processor pins/wreck the upgrade processor. I just took special care to pull the old processor straight up, and not force in the new processor. Anyone you got the idea it's not an upgrade to try without extreme skill stop worrrying. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/ netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
I was just about to say the same thing. Especially since you can get a dual 2.0GHZ+ G5 PowerMac for as low as $200 or so. Last time I checked anyway. On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Baldassare Guzzo guz...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious - I looked a while back at the upgrades for my 933 QS and they seemed so expensive that it was almost worth it to get a used G5. Is the speed difference really that good? -- -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
Il giorno 7-11-2011 4:37, Jonas Ulrich ha scritto: I was just about to say the same thing. Especially since you can get a dual 2.0GHZ+ G5 PowerMac for as low as $200 or so. Last time I checked anyway. BTW, for anybody pondering between upgrading their G4 or buying a G5 instead, here's my experience. - I had a PM G4 DA, originally 667 MHz, upgraded with an OWC 1,4 GHz CPU. 1,25GB Ram, GeForce Ti 4600 128MB video card, OSX 10.4.11. - Now I'm using a PM G5 2.7 DP 6 GB Ram, Radeon 9650 256 MB video card. OSX 10.4.11 (I just cloned the G4 HD) Well, the difference is noticeable. Sometimes is even huge. :-) - While on the G4 OSX has always felt sluggish, and web surfing (Firefox, TenFourFox) was somehow slow and often not responding, on the G5 OSX feels finally smooth (still not as smooth as OS9, alas... ;-) and web surfing is now responsive and pleasant. - I can run the Prey videogame (quite intensive) at the most eye-candy (sometimes slow but fully playable). - Producing a 180MB, 212 pages high resolution PDF from Adobe InDesign CS3, took about 50 minutes on the G4; on the G5 it takes just 20 minutes! :-) So, if you feel the need to upgrade but you can find a reasonably-priced G5, the choice is quote obvious. Mind you, the G4 was a fine machine and it served me well... I loved it, and enjoyed it for 7 years. Still, some heavy loads like Adobe CS make it huff and puff... It all depends on what you do; before using InDesign, I didn't really feel the need to upgrade. But now I'm happy I did. :-D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
