Re: Replacement for Appleworks 6.0 DB

[Ken]

Well, I have used Numbers in a pinch. The DB opens with the data in cells.
Fortunately my DBs were fairly small.

Ken


On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 17:00 smac0031  wrote:

> I'm trying to find a replacement DB that will open my old Appleworks DB
> files. I've tried Microsoft Office
> and apparently that doesn't have DB anymore. I've tried open office and I
> can't get it to open my old
> stuff.
>
> I've looked into Filemaker and that seems to be around $40 on eBay and
> $450 on Amazon.
>
> I'm working on a book and a DB file would be nice to manage stuff like I
> used to.
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[peterhaas]

>> > I understand that the lenses on the original Pioneer 103 DVR drives
>> must
>> be
>> > immaculate in order for them to work properly.

By the time of the Pioneer 113, the drives had gotten quite good.

But, they were still priced at about $100, whereas the price of SATA
burners had depressed to nearly $15.

Time waits for no man (nor for any product, either), and the time for PATA
burners was, alas, OVER!



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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[William Tomcanin]

Thanks, Pete.

I'll look into the adjustment as well.  Hopefully I'll be able to attempt
the cleaning within the next day or two as time permits.

Thanks for the prompt response!

Regards,
Bill

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Peter Devlin  wrote:

> On 20/04/2015 11:39, "William Tomcanin"  wrote:
>
> > Has anyone manually cleaned the laser lens on their DVD drive?  I'm
> tempted at
> > this point to remove the drive, take it apart and attempt to clean it
> manually
> > until a replacement arrives.
> >
> > I understand that the lenses on the original Pioneer 103 DVR drives must
> be
> > immaculate in order for them to work properly.
> >
> > Bill
>
> Hi,
> Yes I've done that with many of the optical drives I've had over the
> years - alcohol on a cotton bud will usually do the trick for just cleaning
> the lens. An associated problem with age is focus drift errors on the lens
> -
> I had this problem with an Xbox dvd player - fortunately there are screw
> adjustments available for the laser lens focus and a fiddle with these
> fixed
> my problem. I would recommend googling for some kind of tutorial first
> though as you need to be able to reverse your chosen adjustment back to
> it's
> original position if it's the wrong one and before you attempt another.
>
> Pete
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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[Peter Devlin]

On 20/04/2015 11:39, "William Tomcanin"  wrote:

> Has anyone manually cleaned the laser lens on their DVD drive?  I'm tempted at
> this point to remove the drive, take it apart and attempt to clean it manually
> until a replacement arrives.
> 
> I understand that the lenses on the original Pioneer 103 DVR drives must be
> immaculate in order for them to work properly.
> 
> Bill

Hi,
Yes I've done that with many of the optical drives I've had over the
years - alcohol on a cotton bud will usually do the trick for just cleaning
the lens. An associated problem with age is focus drift errors on the lens -
I had this problem with an Xbox dvd player - fortunately there are screw
adjustments available for the laser lens focus and a fiddle with these fixed
my problem. I would recommend googling for some kind of tutorial first
though as you need to be able to reverse your chosen adjustment back to it's
original position if it's the wrong one and before you attempt another.

Pete


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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[William Tomcanin]

Has anyone manually cleaned the laser lens on their DVD drive?  I'm tempted
at this point to remove the drive, take it apart and attempt to clean it
manually until a replacement arrives.

I understand that the lenses on the original Pioneer 103 DVR drives must be
immaculate in order for them to work properly.

Bill

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:13 PM, void  wrote:

>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 5 ACTIVE™, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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>  Original message 
> From: t...@prismnet.com
> Date:04/13/2015 11:59 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 10:55:31 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> As the subject line implies, the Superdrive in my trusty Quicksilver will
>> no longer read DVDs.  CDs appear to read ok, although burning is becoming
>> problematic (50-50 chance of success).
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a replacement?
>>
>
> The difficulty is that PATA drives are no longer manufactured and the old
> stock of half-height (normal optical drive sized) PATA optical drives ran
> out a long time ago.
>
> SATA optical drives are still available.  Newegg regularly has them for
> less than $20, so, if there is room, you might install a SATA optical drive
> with a PATA to SATA adapter (some of the adapters will work in both
> directions).
>
> Another alternative is to get this slim PATA optical drive:
> http://amzn.com/B001B7XYZO
>
> This or similar slimline PATA to normal PATA adapter:
> http://r.ebay.com/Yy4C5d
>
> And you may need this slim-line optical drive to full-size optical drive
> physical adapter:   http://amzn.com/B007C1KPQY
>
> The drive is slot-load, so it may not work well if you G4 has doors that
> need to be pushed open by a tray.
>
> Jeff Walther
>
>
> I use an external firewire DVD drive with my Macs.  It solved every
> problem I ever had burning discs on Apple hardware.  USB is cheaper but
> sucks on PPC macs.
>
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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

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From: t...@prismnet.com 
Date:04/13/2015  11:59 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive 



On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 10:55:31 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Hello all,

As the subject line implies, the Superdrive in my trusty Quicksilver will no 
longer read DVDs.  CDs appear to read ok, although burning is becoming 
problematic (50-50 chance of success).

Can anyone suggest a replacement?

The difficulty is that PATA drives are no longer manufactured and the old stock 
of half-height (normal optical drive sized) PATA optical drives ran out a long 
time ago.

SATA optical drives are still available.  Newegg regularly has them for less 
than $20, so, if there is room, you might install a SATA optical drive with a 
PATA to SATA adapter (some of the adapters will work in both directions).

Another alternative is to get this slim PATA optical drive:  
http://amzn.com/B001B7XYZO 

This or similar slimline PATA to normal PATA adapter:  http://r.ebay.com/Yy4C5d

And you may need this slim-line optical drive to full-size optical drive 
physical adapter:   http://amzn.com/B007C1KPQY 

The drive is slot-load, so it may not work well if you G4 has doors that need 
to be pushed open by a tray.

Jeff Walther


I use an external firewire DVD drive with my Macs.  It solved every problem I 
ever had burning discs on Apple hardware.  USB is cheaper but sucks on PPC 
macs.  

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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[t...@prismnet.com]

On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 10:55:31 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> As the subject line implies, the Superdrive in my trusty Quicksilver will 
> no longer read DVDs.  CDs appear to read ok, although burning is becoming 
> problematic (50-50 chance of success).
>
> Can anyone suggest a replacement?
>

The difficulty is that PATA drives are no longer manufactured and the old 
stock of half-height (normal optical drive sized) PATA optical drives ran 
out a long time ago.

SATA optical drives are still available.  Newegg regularly has them for 
less than $20, so, if there is room, you might install a SATA optical drive 
with a PATA to SATA adapter (some of the adapters will work in both 
directions).

Another alternative is to get this slim PATA optical drive:  
http://amzn.com/B001B7XYZO 

This or similar slimline PATA to normal PATA adapter:  
http://r.ebay.com/Yy4C5d

And you may need this slim-line optical drive to full-size optical drive 
physical adapter:   http://amzn.com/B007C1KPQY 

The drive is slot-load, so it may not work well if you G4 has doors that 
need to be pushed open by a tray.

Jeff Walther



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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[Dan C]

> On Apr 12, 2015, at 11:55 AM, William Tomcanin  wrote:
> the Superdrive in my trusty Quicksilver will no longer read DVDs.  CDs appear 
> to read ok, although burning is becoming problematic (50-50 chance of 
> success).


Before you go for a replacement, try cleaning it!

fwiw,
- Dan.

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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[William Tomcanin]

Thanks, Bruce!

Bill

On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
>  On Apr 12, 2015, at 8:55 AM, William Tomcanin 
> wrote:
>
>Hello all,
>
>  As the subject line implies, the Superdrive in my trusty Quicksilver will
> no longer read DVDs.  CDs appear to read ok, although burning is becoming
> problematic (50-50 chance of success).
>
>  Can anyone suggest a replacement?
>
>  Thanks in advance,
>  Bill
>
>
>  Pretty much any ATA DVD +/- R/RW drive will work, if you’re using 10.5.
> For previous versions of OS X you need to get Patchburn: <
> http://www.patchburn.de>
>
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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 12, 2015, at 8:55 AM, William Tomcanin 
mailto:wt8091...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello all,

As the subject line implies, the Superdrive in my trusty Quicksilver will no 
longer read DVDs.  CDs appear to read ok, although burning is becoming 
problematic (50-50 chance of success).

Can anyone suggest a replacement?

Thanks in advance,
Bill

Pretty much any ATA DVD +/- R/RW drive will work, if you’re using 10.5. For 
previous versions of OS X you need to get Patchburn: 

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Re: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu

[Thomas Fritsch]

reformatted the HDD again cleaned off my disc and it installed properly ,
Now to connect it to the net and grab all the updates ! thanks for the help.


On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Kris Tilford  wrote:

> On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Thomas Fritsch  wrote:
>
> ok this is weird ... the install breaks the moment it needs CD 2.
>
>
> On an OS X Tiger 10.4 installation, nothing is required beyond CD 1 if you
> deselect every possible Optional installation during the setup, and only
> check “Install Base System”. All of the other software can be installed
> AFTER by inserting CD 2, 3, or 4 and double-clicking any of the installer
> packages. Since virtually every piece of optional software has been
> upgraded and will need the equivalent of a complete reinstall, it will be
> faster to download the newer updates and install them directly than to
> install them from CD, and then download and reinstall the updates. When I
> install Tiger I rarely ever use anything past CD 1. A large part is your
> exact problem, the installation fails with an error message that can be
> avoided with little or no downside.
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Re: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Thomas Fritsch  wrote:

> ok this is weird ... the install breaks the moment it needs CD 2.

On an OS X Tiger 10.4 installation, nothing is required beyond CD 1 if you 
deselect every possible Optional installation during the setup, and only check 
"Install Base System". All of the other software can be installed AFTER by 
inserting CD 2, 3, or 4 and double-clicking any of the installer packages. 
Since virtually every piece of optional software has been upgraded and will 
need the equivalent of a complete reinstall, it will be faster to download the 
newer updates and install them directly than to install them from CD, and then 
download and reinstall the updates. When I install Tiger I rarely ever use 
anything past CD 1. A large part is your exact problem, the installation fails 
with an error message that can be avoided with little or no downside.

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Re: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu

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Date:Saturday, 12 April 2014
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Hello!

> i replaced my old Snow white iMac G3's 40GB hdd w/ a 80GB IDE Drive i had 
> in an old IBM Server,
So this drive uses most likely a different partitioning scheme i.e.
partition table. Apple from the Power Mac era use APM, Apple Partition
Map. PCs and other x86 architectures of that era used MBR, Master Boot
Record. Some IBM servers are PowerPC based thou, so chances are it uses
a different partition map.
> what i remember when preparing the drive boot the iMac w/ Disc one of OSX's 
> CDvers set (this iMac doesnt have a DVD Drive) select the Drive itself and 
> under Erase set it to Volume Format: MacOS Extended (Journaled)
> then under the untitled partition i can partition it off 1 small one for 
> OS9 dualboot.(yes i had it install the OS 9 Disk Driver.) and the rest for 
> OS X Tiger and i've replaced the HDD before in my DVi+ G3 iMac and had done 
> it that way w/o issue
That sounds good so far. Make sure you select APM as partition map when
repartitioning, otherwise the current partition map will be used.
> however w/ this iMac under the partition Scheme,  only see MS-DOS for 
> partition Type. any idea whats going on? the Drive's a 80GB Western Digital 
> branded HDD.
The explanation might be that the drive is still partitioned with a
Master Boot Record.

http://macs.about.com/od/usingyourmac/qt/partition-types.htm

I hope that helps,
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Re: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu

[Thomas Fritsch]

ok this is weird ... the install breaks the moment it needs CD 2. (it says
"There were errors durring install try again later")


On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Kris Tilford  wrote:

> On Apr 12, 2014, at 3:59 AM, Xion Dracari  wrote:
>
> however w/ this iMac under the partition Scheme,  only see MS-DOS for
> partition Type. any idea whats going on? the Drive's a 80GB Western Digital
> branded HDD.
>
>
> Your problem is that you haven’t reformatted the HD to Apple Partition
> Format, it’s still Master Boot Record partition format. In Disk Utility,
> highlight the HD itself, and then under Options select Apple Partition
> Format. Then select however many partitions you want, and size them
> accordingly. You probably only need a few GB for OS 9, and honestly you
> don’t actually even need a separate partition for OS 9, it can reside on
> the same partition as OS X and still be dual bootable via the Option key
> boot. In most cases OS 9 runs faster as Classic emulation under OS X than
> it does natively booted. The only reason to boot OS 9 rather than run as
> Classic would be special hardware that lacks any OS X support or drivers.
> Almost all printers, scanners, and other standard hardware are still
> accessible from Classic.
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Re: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 12, 2014, at 3:59 AM, Xion Dracari  wrote:

> however w/ this iMac under the partition Scheme,  only see MS-DOS for 
> partition Type. any idea whats going on? the Drive's a 80GB Western Digital 
> branded HDD.

Your problem is that you haven't reformatted the HD to Apple Partition Format, 
it's still Master Boot Record partition format. In Disk Utility, highlight the 
HD itself, and then under Options select Apple Partition Format. Then select 
however many partitions you want, and size them accordingly. You probably only 
need a few GB for OS 9, and honestly you don't actually even need a separate 
partition for OS 9, it can reside on the same partition as OS X and still be 
dual bootable via the Option key boot. In most cases OS 9 runs faster as 
Classic emulation under OS X than it does natively booted. The only reason to 
boot OS 9 rather than run as Classic would be special hardware that lacks any 
OS X support or drivers. Almost all printers, scanners, and other standard 
hardware are still accessible from Classic.

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Re: Replacement Reader

[Dan]

At 5:33 PM -0400 05/30/2013, les simo wrote:
I installed NNW for Tiger and it works fine EXCEPT it didn't import 
all my feeds.


Didn't know it could. lol.  But now that I look, I see the import 
item.  Did you properly export things from your old reader?


Also, I cannot figure out how to import starred items. I imported 
Google Reader info via Google Takeout and though NNW retained my 
folders, it didn't import all the feeds in the folders.Google 
Takeout contains a .json file for the starred items, but NNW cannot 
parse it. I tried converting .json to .xml but was not successful. 
Would greatly appreciate any help in this matter


No idea.  I never used Google Reader.  Given the age of the beasts 
involved, I'm not surprised that the ancient NNW doesn't handle the 
new Reader exports.  *shrug*  So go to the web sites and re-subscribe 
to your feeds.


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Re: Replacement Reader

[Dan]

At 2:26 PM -0400 05/27/2013, les simo wrote:

cannot find NetNewsWire for os X 10.4.11 PPC G4/G5


Here's NNW for Tiger:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/610326/NetNewsWire%203.1.7.dmg

And if anyone wants it, here be for Leopard:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/610326/NetNewsWire%203.2.15.tgz

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Re: Replacement Reader

[les simo]

 
What's Freedy?
 
I use NetNewsWire for all my RSS feeds...
 
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It's Feedly . Also, cannot find NetNewsWire for os X 10.4.11 PPC G4/G5


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Re: Replacement Reader

[Richard Smallwood]

He wrote - Feedly not Freedy

http://www.feedly.com/


On 24 May 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dan wrote:

> At 8:53 PM -0400 05/23/2013, les simo wrote:
>> I follow numerous blogs and am looking for a suitable replacement for the 
>> destined for demise Google Reader. Feedly seems to be the hot favorite, but 
>> does not work for me. It displays a message saying "synchronizing..." and 
>> does absolutely nothing for hours. I'm on a Powerbook G4/1Ghz, OS X 10.4.11 
>> Firefox 3.6.28. I've searched for older versions of Feedly but can't seem to 
>> find anything.
> 
> What's Freedy?
> 
> I use NetNewsWire for all my RSS feeds...
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Re: Replacement Reader

[Dan]

At 8:53 PM -0400 05/23/2013, les simo wrote:
I follow numerous blogs and am looking for a suitable replacement 
for the destined for demise Google Reader. Feedly seems to be the 
hot favorite, but does not work for me. It displays a message saying 
"synchronizing..." and does absolutely nothing for hours. I'm on a 
Powerbook G4/1Ghz, OS X 10.4.11 Firefox 3.6.28. I've searched for 
older versions of Feedly but can't seem to find anything.


What's Freedy?

I use NetNewsWire for all my RSS feeds...

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Re: Replacement Reader

[Illirik Smirnov]

Why aren't you using TenFourFox?
On May 23, 2013 8:53 PM, "les simo"  wrote:

> Hi,
> I follow numerous blogs and am looking for a suitable replacement for the
> destined for demise Google Reader. Feedly seems to be the hot favorite, but
> does not work for me. It displays a message saying "synchronizing..." and
> does absolutely nothing for hours. I'm on a Powerbook G4/1Ghz, OS X 10.4.11
> Firefox 3.6.28. I've searched for older versions of Feedly but can't seem
> to find anything. Any suggestions?
> Cheers, Les
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Re: Replacement video card G5

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Replacement video card G5
Date:Tuesday, 14. February 2012
From:"DBS-Designs by Skip" 
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Model: G8652241UPZ

??? Never heard of it before.
Please use “About this Mac...” and System Profiler. It should tell you 
something like “PowerMac11,2” or similar.

> I will be hooking up an Apple 30" monitor. I use the computer for PS
> work, and graphics projects.
> 
> I current have a X1900 card that is going bad.

Why not use the original card? The X1900 is a PCIe card, right? I had one of 
them too, and it also went bad after a very short period of time.

I’m having no problems whatsoever with the original nVidia GeForce 6600LE that 
came with my Power Mac G5 “Late 2005”.
If you still have it, use it. For Photoshop (that’s what PS stands for, 
right?) this will absolutely suffice. It will run any Dual-Link DVI monitor.

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: replacement

[Erik Hancock]

The OWC processor upgrade had a special pram and nvram update procedure  -
go to OWC and search for the card and procedure ­ may need to email/call
tech support 

I remember this being an issue when I had to replace my logic board and
could not find the right version from my 1.5 GHz sonnet.

I burned the file to a cd for ease of use in the future,

Erik



From: Norm 
Reply-To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:14:39 -0500
To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: re:replacement

My G4 gigabit has stopped working. I have an OWC 1000gz processor and 2
gigabytes of ram. Also an ATI 9800 mac pro video board. When it turns on the
power button does nothing. It will boot into open firmware. When I type
"reset nvram then reset all" it cycles back to open firmware. If I type
"boot" I get an immediate kernal panic. The power button does nothing. Have
to unplug and then replug. I have 3 hard drives and a firewire drive. I'm
hopping that all my files are intact. I assume I must replace the logic
board or the mac. Which G4 would allow me to plug in my hard drives? I'm
using OS 10.5.8 and would like to purchase an intel mac but find the price
prohibitive. Mac was running very well until about 4 days ago.
Update: I hold down the "T" key and now have a screen with a nuclear sign.
The re-set button now restarts the mac into open firmware. Again if I type
reset-nvram then reset-all the mac restarts in open firmware. If I type
"boot" it restarts but goes to a kernal panic. So I seem to have my ATI 9800
Mac pro working and parts of my main boars. I have 4 ram sticks which I have
tried one at a time.
Again, what should I do about replacing my Mac?
Norm 


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Re: replacement

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 9, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Norm wrote:

Update: I hold down the "T" key and now have a screen with a  
nuclear sign.


OK, A) thats a firewire logo, and B) about replacing the Mac, you  
just need to go to the store and by a new one. I think you need to  
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Re: replacement

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 9, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Norm wrote:

> My G4 gigabit has stopped working. I have an OWC 1000gz processor and 2 
> gigabytes of ram. Also an ATI 9800 mac pro video board. When it turns on the 
> power button does nothing. It will boot into open firmware. When I type 
> "reset nvram then reset all" it cycles back to open firmware. If I type 
> "boot" I get an immediate kernal panic. The power button does nothing. Have 
> to unplug and then replug. I have 3 hard drives and a firewire drive. I'm 
> hopping that all my files are intact. I assume I must replace the logic board 
> or the mac. Which G4 would allow me to plug in my hard drives? I'm using OS 
> 10.5.8 and would like to purchase an intel mac but find the price 
> prohibitive. Mac was running very well until about 4 days ago.
> Update: I hold down the "T" key and now have a screen with a nuclear sign. 
> The re-set button now restarts the mac into open firmware. Again if I type 
> reset-nvram then reset-all the mac restarts in open firmware. If I type 
> "boot" it restarts but goes to a kernal panic. So I seem to have my ATI 9800 
> Mac pro working and parts of my main boars. I have 4 ram sticks which I have 
> tried one at a time. 
> Again, what should I do about replacing my Mac?
> Norm 
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Because you can start in target mode with the machine connected to a booted Mac 
via FireWire then you can reinstall the system on the G4 Gigabit.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA



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Re: Replacement

[norm46]

On Jan 8, 2:31 pm, Norm  wrote:
> My G4 gigabit has stopped working. snip
Using the two commands are entered separately. I have tried booting to
an install disk and having bare minimum installed. Holding down any
key combination's at start-up has no effect. I have no other video
card. The mac is dead! So what would be a good Mac to buy. Quick
silver, mirror door or some other one? I need to plug in my hard
drives as all my files or on them.
> Norm
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Re: Replacement

[Ross]

On Jan 8, 1:17 pm, Mike Linnett  wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2010, at 19:31, Norm  wrote:
>
> >  When I type "reset nvram then reset all" it cycles back to open  
> > firmware.
>
> Sorry if this sounds stupid, but just to be clear, you're typing them  
> as seperate commands, so "reset nvram" (press enter), then type "reset  
> all" (press enter)?
>

This is the correct Open Firmware NVRAM reset procedure:



Prompt /Command/Press [Enter] key:

0> reset-nvram[Enter]
0> set-defaults[Enter]   (optional step)
0> reset-all[Enter]

After each command is correctly entered, Open Firmware will issue an
"OK". If it doesn't, you have not entered the correct command. When
the last command is executed, the NVRAM is reset, and the Mac reboots
automatically. If yours doesn't, then you made an error in typing the
commands. Redo the sequence of commands to reset the NVRAM. If you
need to enter a command to reboot the system, which you will NOT if
following the above procedure, it is not "boot", it is:

0> mac-boot[Enter]

You can test the PRAM battery to check the state of charge, which must
be 3.6V +/- 3%. If you don't have a digital multimeter, simply unplug
the system power cord, and remove the PRAM battery, reconnect the
power cord, start the system. It should boot up, and give an error
message about the "Time and Date" settings being wrong. Set the time
and date, and restart. If it boots without error, you know there is
nothing wrong except you have a dead/dying PRAM battery. Unplug the
system power cord and all external cables. Replace the old PRAM
battery with a new one, and press the PMU switch once, and once only,
immediately releasing the momentary contact PMU switch. Wait a minimum
of ten seconds, then reconnect the system power cord, then all other
external cables. Start the system. All should be well.

If not, try cold booting with the [Shift] key held down. Once you
reach the Desktop, restart the system. If no help, try booting the OS
DVD/CD, and repairing the HDD with Disk Utility. Restart and boot to
the HDD. If all is well, Repair Permissions using Disk Utility from
the HDD.

If your USB 2.0 PCI card is still not recognized/functioning, try
moving it to a different PCI slot (while you have it out, clean the
edge card connector contacts with a pencil eraser to remove
oxidation). If your card is not natively supported under the OS you
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Re: Replacement

[Clark Martin]

Norm wrote:
My G4 gigabit has stopped working. I have an OWC 1000gz processor and 2 
gigabytes of ram. Also an ATI 9800 mac pro video board. When it turns on 
the power button does nothing. It will boot into open firmware. When I 
type "reset nvram then reset all" it cycles back to open firmware. If I 
type "boot" I get an immediate kernal panic. The power button does 
nothing. Have to unplug and then replug. I have 3 hard drives and a 
firewire drive. I'm hopping that all my files are intact. I assume I 
must replace the logic board or the mac. Which G4 would allow me to plug 
in my hard drives? I'm using OS 10.5.8 and would like to purchase an 
intel mac but find the price prohibitive. Mac was running very well 
until about 4 days ago.

Norm



Try booting from an installer CD/DVD.  If you can then it's likely the 
OS on the HD is wonky.  If you can boot then try running Disk Repair on 
the HDs from Disk Utility.


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Re: Replacement

[Kasey Smith]

Ummm... thios sounds like an OS problem to me actually... Try booting  
from a CD and if it does, do an archive&install.

On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Norm wrote:

My G4 gigabit has stopped working. I have an OWC 1000gz processor  
and 2 gigabytes of ram. Also an ATI 9800 mac pro video board. When  
it turns on the power button does nothing. It will boot into open  
firmware. When I type "reset nvram then reset all" it cycles back  
to open firmware. If I type "boot" I get an immediate kernal panic.  
The power button does nothing. Have to unplug and then replug. I  
have 3 hard drives and a firewire drive. I'm hopping that all my  
files are intact. I assume I must replace the logic board or the  
mac. Which G4 would allow me to plug in my hard drives? I'm using  
OS 10.5.8 and would like to purchase an intel mac but find the  
price prohibitive. Mac was running very well until about 4 days ago.

Norm
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Re: Replacement

[Mike Linnett]

On 8 Jan 2010, at 19:31, Norm  wrote:
 When I type "reset nvram then reset all" it cycles back to open  
firmware.


Sorry if this sounds stupid, but just to be clear, you're typing them  
as seperate commands, so "reset nvram" (press enter), then type "reset  
all" (press enter)?


Also, try unplugging everything not needed to boot the machine and see  
if that helps? Just leave the boot drive, video card, and 1 stick of  
ram in (might need 2x256MB sticks as a minimum to get leopard to boot  
tho)? Try a different video card? Will it boot into target disk mode?  
Got another mac with FireWire?

General fault finding routine
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Re: Replacement Fans in UK? G4 Dual 867Mhz MDD

[tina]

>
> Just bought a G4 Dual 867Mhz and discovered the noise problem. Where
> can I find suitabel replacement fans in the UK?

maybe http://www.applemacparts.co.uk/

good luck - bought mobo batteries several times, back when they where
impossible to find in dk for a reasonable price, and was always treated
well

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RE: Replacement Fans in UK? G4 Dual 867Mhz MDD

[Stewie de Young]

Yeah , $29 to ship a fan to the UK seems a bit high.
http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?productid=3446&cat=0&page=

Stewie

> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:27:29 -0700
> Subject: Replacement Fans in UK? G4 Dual 867Mhz MDD
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> 
> Just bought a G4 Dual 867Mhz and discovered the noise problem. Where
> can I find suitabel replacement fans in the UK?
> 
> Such as...
> 
> http://www.frozencpu.com/products/4274/fan-235/SilenX_120x120x38mm_-_18dBA_-_90CFM_iXtrema_Pro_Fan_with_Fluid_Dynamic_Bearings_IXP-76-18.html
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Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card

[Charles Lenington]

John Callahan wrote:
>   
>> Anyone know where I can find a replacement fan for this card?
>>
>> Thanks, and Happy New Year!
>> Dale Hoffman
>>
>> ~~--~--~---
>>
>> 
>
>
> Fan is available at http://hardcoremac.stores.yahoo.net/ 
> g4qucafan.html. Sixty dollars but if you look further you can find  
> them a lot cheaper. Got mine for fifteen dollars although don't  
> recall where. While you are at it I would reseat the CPU heat sink  
> also. I used THERMALTAKE Super-Thermal Silver Compound @ Radio Shack.  
> I understand there are thermal blankets available that serve the same  
> purpose and are easier and safer to use. Good luck
> John Callahan
> jcalla...@stny.rr.com
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> went.¨
> --Will Rogers
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>
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>   
I can see why you went else where. Did you see their price for Tiger? I 
don't remember it costing that much when it came out.



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Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card

[John Callahan]

>
> Anyone know where I can find a replacement fan for this card?
>
> Thanks, and Happy New Year!
> Dale Hoffman
>
> ~~--~--~---
>


Fan is available at http://hardcoremac.stores.yahoo.net/ 
g4qucafan.html. Sixty dollars but if you look further you can find  
them a lot cheaper. Got mine for fifteen dollars although don't  
recall where. While you are at it I would reseat the CPU heat sink  
also. I used THERMALTAKE Super-Thermal Silver Compound @ Radio Shack.  
I understand there are thermal blankets available that serve the same  
purpose and are easier and safer to use. Good luck
John Callahan
jcalla...@stny.rr.com
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went.¨
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extreme positive = (ybya2)


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Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card

[Charles Lenington]

Mike Baker wrote:
> Will a Nvidia 6200 work on a G$ Sawtooth without any special hardware 
> adjustments? I want to get a newer, better video card than the one it came 
> with.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 1/1/09, dc  wrote:
>
>   
>> From: dc 
>> Subject: Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card
>> To: "G3-5 List" 
>> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:48 PM
>> This is what I use on my Nvidia 6200. It also works on ATI
>> products.
>> Easy to install and pretty quiet.
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Titan-TTC-CUV3-Copper-VGA-Heatsink-and-Fan_W0QQitemZ330294891821QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item330294891821&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
>>
>>
>> On Jan 1, 9:51 am, Dale Hoffman 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a Quicksilver G4 with the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
>>>   
>> Mac AGP 256MB  
>> 
>>> video Card.
>>> I use it to drive an Apple 23" LCD monitor and
>>>   
>> don't want to give it up.
>> 
>>> The fan has been acting up emitting intermittent
>>>   
>> whirring noises.
>> 
>>> I removed it, blew it off with compressed air which
>>>   
>> worked for a while.
>> 
>>> Then I added a drop of silicone electrical contact
>>>   
>> cleaner to a whole  
>> 
>>> in the back which - I suppose - feeds the point of
>>>   
>> rotation. This is  
>> 
>>> working, but I would rather find a replacement fan if
>>>   
>> I can. Tried  
>> 
>>> Googling on the only ID info printed on the fan which
>>>   
>> is "ATI 603AC"  
>> 
>>> but couldn't get a match.
>>>
>>> Anyone know where I can find a replacement fan for
>>>   
>> this card?
>> 
>>> Thanks, and Happy New Year!
>>> Dale Hoffman
>>>   
>
>   

It's poor manners to hijack a topic.

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Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card

[Phil Wong]

when my fan died on the Radeon 9800, I looked up the specs and ordered the 
replacement from Mouser Electronics.




- Original Message - 
From: "Clark Martin" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card


>
> Doug McNutt wrote:
>> At 09:51 -0500 1/1/09, Dale Hoffman wrote:
>>> I have a Quicksilver G4 with the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac AGP 256MB
>>> video Card.
>>>
>>> The fan has been acting up emitting intermittent whirring noises.
>>> I removed it, blew it off with compressed air which worked for a while.
>>> Then I added a drop of silicone electrical contact cleaner to a whole
>>> in the back which - I suppose - feeds the point of rotation. This is
>>> working, but I would rather find a replacement fan if I can. Tried
>>> Googling on the only ID info printed on the fan which is "ATI 603AC"
>>> but couldn't get a match.
>>
>> No answer but I'd also like to find one.
>>
>> It has a 40 mm square bolt pattern and runs on +5 volts.
>
> You want to match it's dimensions and power ratings.  The bolt pattern
> size is usually good enough, especially for this application.  The
> thickness is important but in this situation isn't critical.  You need
> to match the voltage and current.  Fans come in a variety of flowrates
> and this needs to match the original fairly closely.  Some fans list the
> rated flowrate in CFM but not all.  You're more likely to find the
> current rating listed.  The current doesn't need to match exactly but it
> should be close.
>
> -- 
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> Redwood City, CA, USA
> Macintosh / Internet Consulting
>
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>
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Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card

[Clark Martin]

Doug McNutt wrote:
> At 09:51 -0500 1/1/09, Dale Hoffman wrote:
>> I have a Quicksilver G4 with the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac AGP 256MB
>> video Card.
>>
>> The fan has been acting up emitting intermittent whirring noises.
>> I removed it, blew it off with compressed air which worked for a while.
>> Then I added a drop of silicone electrical contact cleaner to a whole
>> in the back which - I suppose - feeds the point of rotation. This is
>> working, but I would rather find a replacement fan if I can. Tried
>> Googling on the only ID info printed on the fan which is "ATI 603AC"
>> but couldn't get a match.
> 
> No answer but I'd also like to find one.
> 
> It has a 40 mm square bolt pattern and runs on +5 volts.

You want to match it's dimensions and power ratings.  The bolt pattern 
size is usually good enough, especially for this application.  The 
thickness is important but in this situation isn't critical.  You need 
to match the voltage and current.  Fans come in a variety of flowrates 
and this needs to match the original fairly closely.  Some fans list the 
rated flowrate in CFM but not all.  You're more likely to find the 
current rating listed.  The current doesn't need to match exactly but it 
should be close.

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Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 1, 2009, at 7:51 AM, Dale Hoffman wrote:

>
> I have a Quicksilver G4 with the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac AGP 256MB
> video Card.
> I use it to drive an Apple 23" LCD monitor and don't want to give it  
> up.
>
> The fan has been acting up emitting intermittent whirring noises.
> I removed it, blew it off with compressed air which worked for a  
> while.
> Then I added a drop of silicone electrical contact cleaner to a whole
> in the back which - I suppose - feeds the point of rotation. This is
> working, but I would rather find a replacement fan if I can. Tried
> Googling on the only ID info printed on the fan which is "ATI 603AC"
> but couldn't get a match.
>
> Anyone know where I can find a replacement fan for this card?
You may need to pull off the ATI sticker on the fan to get the OEM  
number; Mouser Electronics  is a good source  
for odd fans. Careful with it. I'
ve found oddball fans there, but I needed to use the original shroud,  
as it was a custom part; the fan itself was standard.

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Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card

[Mike Baker]

Will a Nvidia 6200 work on a G$ Sawtooth without any special hardware 
adjustments? I want to get a newer, better video card than the one it came with.


--- On Thu, 1/1/09, dc  wrote:

> From: dc 
> Subject: Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card
> To: "G3-5 List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:48 PM
> This is what I use on my Nvidia 6200. It also works on ATI
> products.
> Easy to install and pretty quiet.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Titan-TTC-CUV3-Copper-VGA-Heatsink-and-Fan_W0QQitemZ330294891821QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item330294891821&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
> 
> 
> On Jan 1, 9:51 am, Dale Hoffman 
> wrote:
> > I have a Quicksilver G4 with the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
> Mac AGP 256MB  
> > video Card.
> > I use it to drive an Apple 23" LCD monitor and
> don't want to give it up.
> >
> > The fan has been acting up emitting intermittent
> whirring noises.
> > I removed it, blew it off with compressed air which
> worked for a while.
> > Then I added a drop of silicone electrical contact
> cleaner to a whole  
> > in the back which - I suppose - feeds the point of
> rotation. This is  
> > working, but I would rather find a replacement fan if
> I can. Tried  
> > Googling on the only ID info printed on the fan which
> is "ATI 603AC"  
> > but couldn't get a match.
> >
> > Anyone know where I can find a replacement fan for
> this card?
> >
> > Thanks, and Happy New Year!
> > Dale Hoffman
> 

  

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Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card

[Dale Hoffman]

Thanks DC.
Doug, follow the link and there is a compatibility chart which  
includes the 9800 Pro.
Looks like a match.

Dale



On Jan 1, 2009, at 12:48 PM, dc wrote:

>
> This is what I use on my Nvidia 6200. It also works on ATI products.
> Easy to install and pretty quiet.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Titan-TTC-CUV3-Copper-VGA-Heatsink-and-Fan_W0QQitemZ330294891821QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item330294891821&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
>
>
> On Jan 1, 9:51 am, Dale Hoffman  wrote:
>> I have a Quicksilver G4 with the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac AGP 256MB
>> video Card.
>> I use it to drive an Apple 23" LCD monitor and don't want to give  
>> it up.
>>
>> The fan has been acting up emitting intermittent whirring noises.
>> I removed it, blew it off with compressed air which worked for a  
>> while.
>> Then I added a drop of silicone electrical contact cleaner to a whole
>> in the back which - I suppose - feeds the point of rotation. This is
>> working, but I would rather find a replacement fan if I can. Tried
>> Googling on the only ID info printed on the fan which is "ATI 603AC"
>> but couldn't get a match.
>>
>> Anyone know where I can find a replacement fan for this card?
>>
>> Thanks, and Happy New Year!
>> Dale Hoffman


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Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card

[dc]

This is what I use on my Nvidia 6200. It also works on ATI products.
Easy to install and pretty quiet.
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On Jan 1, 9:51 am, Dale Hoffman  wrote:
> I have a Quicksilver G4 with the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac AGP 256MB  
> video Card.
> I use it to drive an Apple 23" LCD monitor and don't want to give it up.
>
> The fan has been acting up emitting intermittent whirring noises.
> I removed it, blew it off with compressed air which worked for a while.
> Then I added a drop of silicone electrical contact cleaner to a whole  
> in the back which - I suppose - feeds the point of rotation. This is  
> working, but I would rather find a replacement fan if I can. Tried  
> Googling on the only ID info printed on the fan which is "ATI 603AC"  
> but couldn't get a match.
>
> Anyone know where I can find a replacement fan for this card?
>
> Thanks, and Happy New Year!
> Dale Hoffman
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Re: Replacement Fan for ATI 9800 Video Card

[Doug McNutt]

At 09:51 -0500 1/1/09, Dale Hoffman wrote:
>I have a Quicksilver G4 with the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac AGP 256MB
>video Card.
>
>The fan has been acting up emitting intermittent whirring noises.
>I removed it, blew it off with compressed air which worked for a while.
>Then I added a drop of silicone electrical contact cleaner to a whole
>in the back which - I suppose - feeds the point of rotation. This is
>working, but I would rather find a replacement fan if I can. Tried
>Googling on the only ID info printed on the fan which is "ATI 603AC"
>but couldn't get a match.

No answer but I'd also like to find one.

It has a 40 mm square bolt pattern and runs on +5 volts.

I have been lubricating mine. The procedure is to remove the four 
screws that hold it to the board and lift it off. The rotor is then 
easy to move and a half drop of lubricant can be applied. The sticky 
label isn't going to allow lubricant to reach the powdered bronze 
"oilite" bearing.  The gun oil I use for my 0.22 target rifle lasts 
about a half a year before I have to do it again. You want an oil 
that won't form gum. Watch oil, sewing machine oil, but not motor oil 
with its detergents or vegetable oil. Half a drop with a toothpick.
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