Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 2, 2010, at 3:55 PM, dorayme wrote:


When you do get riun the Guest Additions script in Windows, you will
get an error that it isn't signed for XP compatibility, continue  
anyway.




Yes, thanks for this too, I will get around to this, it is probably  
the better solution.


The Guest Additions also seem to make it run a bit better, since this  
is actually installing te special VBox drivers for some things.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[dorayme]

Bruce Johnson  Apr 30 11:36AM -0700 ^

On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


> In Virtual Box, you make the Windows screen larger by increasing the
> screen resolution inside of Windows (right-click on the Windows
> desktop and choose Properties > Settings)


*Thanks* for this. I found a res that now enables windows to open to  
about 3/4 of the monitor and this will do me fine for now.


Gee, these virtual machines are quite fun eh! Thanks for recommending  
it. I love not having to fire up my dedicated winbox (which is not  
connected to broadband and I rarely can be bothered to put it on line  
via dialup). With this VirtualBox, I was simply online on my  
broadband and fast, did nothing at all to get this, the Mac concerned  
is just connected wirelessly. I went with the free Avast anti-virus,  
I don't use email on win and don't click suspicious links but I still  
worry, seeing how it is win. I open the virtual machine, look at what  
I want and close the virtual machine afterwards. Need to find out  
more about virus protection for it...



 And in thinking some more about it I realized that I'd neglected to
install the VIrtualBox Guest Additions (in the Mac menu) on my Mac
here, which enables the same autosizing that the $$ competitors do.
Once those are enabled you have a Virtual Box menu item "Auto-Resize
Guest Display".

When you do get riun the Guest Additions script in Windows, you will
get an error that it isn't signed for XP compatibility, continue  
anyway.






Yes, thanks for this too, I will get around to this, it is probably  
the better solution.



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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Apr 29, 2010, at 7:48 PM, dorayme wrote:

On Mar 9, 7:53 am, Bruce Johnson   
wrote:

On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:44 PM, dorayme wrote:


Thanks *very much* for this, just what I wanted to know! Good, one
less thing to worry about then.


Also, if your needs for Windows programs don't include gaming-type
performance, consider getting the open source VirtualBox instead of
one of the commercial VM systems.



I'm using it at home and it's quite good.



I began using it today. It takes only about a quarter of a  20" LCD
widescreen? Is there some way to make it bigger? Is this limitation
also something that Fusion and Parallels have?


In Virtual Box, you make the Windows screen larger by increasing the  
screen resolution inside of Windows (right-click on the Windows  
desktop and choose Properties > Settings)



And in thinking some more about it I realized that I'd neglected to  
install the VIrtualBox Guest Additions (in the Mac menu) on my Mac  
here, which enables the same autosizing that the $$ competitors do.  
Once those are enabled you have a Virtual Box menu item "Auto-Resize  
Guest Display".


When you do get riun the Guest Additions script in Windows, you will  
get an error that it isn't signed for XP compatibility, continue anyway.



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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 29, 2010, at 7:48 PM, dorayme wrote:


On Mar 9, 7:53 am, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:44 PM, dorayme wrote:


Thanks *very much* for this, just what I wanted to know! Good, one
less thing to worry about then.


Also, if your needs for Windows programs don't include gaming-type
performance, consider getting the open source VirtualBox instead of
one of the commercial VM systems.



I'm using it at home and it's quite good.



I began using it today. It takes only about a quarter of a  20" LCD
widescreen? Is there some way to make it bigger? Is this limitation
also something that Fusion and Parallels have?


In Virtual Box, you make the Windows screen larger by increasing the  
screen resolution inside of Windows (right-click on the Windows  
desktop and choose Properties > Settings)


Here's mine



In windows it's set to 1152 x 864, and this is my 20" imac's main  
screen (which is set to 1680x1050)


VMWare and Parallels will automatically reset the Windows screen  
resolution when you resize the window on the Mac.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[dorayme]

On Mar 9, 7:53 am, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
> On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:44 PM, dorayme wrote:
>
> > Thanks *very much* for this, just what I wanted to know! Good, one  
> > less thing to worry about then.
>
> Also, if your needs for Windows programs don't include gaming-type  
> performance, consider getting the open source VirtualBox instead of  
> one of the commercial VM systems.
>
> 
>
> I'm using it at home and it's quite good.
>

I began using it today. It takes only about a quarter of a  20" LCD
widescreen? Is there some way to make it bigger? Is this limitation
also something that Fusion and Parallels have?

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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Mar 10, 2010, at 2:48 PM, dorayme wrote:


John Carmonne  Mar 08 03:37AM -0800 ^

On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:08 AM, dorayme wrote:

> 1. I will make a fresh and tested backup with SuperDuper of my  
main working Tiger drive on my QS to my external HD volume via FW  
and Superduper.


> 2. I will wipe the 320GB HD on the Macbook clean with Disk  
Utility and get my install disks out.


... 3 was about partitioning for Windows...I left the partitioning  
as you said...


> 4. I will then install Snow from my brand new DVD disks and  
somewhere along the way, I will be asked if I want to bring in  
stuff from another Mac.


I said no because it assured me I can do this later with MA.

Make sure after you install SL you also do all the Apple updates  
using software updates, nothing else!!


Yes, I did all above.

> 5. I will then connect my MB to the QS backup external drive via  
USB. I will connect the two via USB. (No FW on MB). When I am  
"setting up" for first time and I am asked if I want to move  
stuff, I say yes and I identify *the whole QS back up volume* on  
the external HD.


Yes, I did this. A few pesky things like it did not accept that the  
names on my MB and QS were the same and invited me to rename the QS  
user for the purpose of transfer right here and now. Then it did  
the deed.


> 6. That's it? MA is "quite smart enough to manage the  
complexities involved". I trust you Bruce! Luckily, nothing is  
mission critical because I will not need the MB to do serious work  
for a couple of weeks. I hope it does not ask me tricky questions  
along the way.


Please just do it . We're all waiting to see you amazed at the  
accuracy of Migration Assistant. LOL But That's just maybe me.


No, it worked better than I expected once pennies starting dropping  
about a few things. As Bruce implied, you have to log in to the  
migrated user and the changes are apparent. I had the wrong idea  
that it was the MB *main user account* that got changed!


I had to install rosetta or something (to get intel to read power I  
guess) and it said to download latest mac combo update (450MB!)  
even if software update had been performed. And there were some  
surprises like first login brought millions of files onto the MB  
desktop (whereas most of these files were in a folder within the  
desktop folder on the QS). I fixed all this. Mail seems to be  
working on some of the tested accounts, usenet MT-Watcher too. And  
I was simply amazed to see my Fireworks and Photoshop CS work too  
on initial test I thought latest MB would not run these right even  
so? Even BBEdit!


Mail.app does not have all the mail boxes I had created on the QS  
and will look into that. So far I am well pleased and thank you all  
for advice.


Need to tidy a lot up now. I know you can't easily do this but is  
there any way to now change the name of my migrated account?


Not sure if I should delete the account I created when installing  
the OS from the DVDs. or could it be used to somehow import all  
from the migrated account and then deleting the migrated one. That  
way I would have the name I prefer.



--
dorayme



I google change name issues, Some are simple The admin name is the  
tough one, there are two ways to do this AFAIK make sure to follow  
the instructions close It's not real hard but requires attention,  
much easier on Tiger

JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
sent from my Wally 10.4.11



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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[dorayme]

John Carmonne  Mar 08 03:37AM -0800 ^

On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:08 AM, dorayme wrote:

> 1. I will make a fresh and tested backup with SuperDuper of my  
main working Tiger drive on my QS to my external HD volume via FW  
and Superduper.


> 2. I will wipe the 320GB HD on the Macbook clean with Disk  
Utility and get my install disks out.


... 3 was about partitioning for Windows...I left the partitioning as  
you said...


> 4. I will then install Snow from my brand new DVD disks and  
somewhere along the way, I will be asked if I want to bring in  
stuff from another Mac.


I said no because it assured me I can do this later with MA.

Make sure after you install SL you also do all the Apple updates  
using software updates, nothing else!!


Yes, I did all above.

> 5. I will then connect my MB to the QS backup external drive via  
USB. I will connect the two via USB. (No FW on MB). When I am  
"setting up" for first time and I am asked if I want to move stuff,  
I say yes and I identify *the whole QS back up volume* on the  
external HD.


Yes, I did this. A few pesky things like it did not accept that the  
names on my MB and QS were the same and invited me to rename the QS  
user for the purpose of transfer right here and now. Then it did the  
deed.


> 6. That's it? MA is "quite smart enough to manage the  
complexities involved". I trust you Bruce! Luckily, nothing is  
mission critical because I will not need the MB to do serious work  
for a couple of weeks. I hope it does not ask me tricky questions  
along the way.


Please just do it . We're all waiting to see you amazed at the  
accuracy of Migration Assistant. LOL But That's just maybe me.


No, it worked better than I expected once pennies starting dropping  
about a few things. As Bruce implied, you have to log in to the  
migrated user and the changes are apparent. I had the wrong idea that  
it was the MB *main user account* that got changed!


I had to install rosetta or something (to get intel to read power I  
guess) and it said to download latest mac combo update (450MB!) even  
if software update had been performed. And there were some surprises  
like first login brought millions of files onto the MB desktop  
(whereas most of these files were in a folder within the desktop  
folder on the QS). I fixed all this. Mail seems to be working on some  
of the tested accounts, usenet MT-Watcher too. And I was simply  
amazed to see my Fireworks and Photoshop CS work too on initial test  
I thought latest MB would not run these right even so? Even BBEdit!


Mail.app does not have all the mail boxes I had created on the QS and  
will look into that. So far I am well pleased and thank you all for  
advice.


Need to tidy a lot up now. I know you can't easily do this but is  
there any way to now change the name of my migrated account?


Not sure if I should delete the account I created when installing the  
OS from the DVDs. or could it be used to somehow import all from the  
migrated account and then deleting the migrated one. That way I would  
have the name I prefer.



--
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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:44 PM, dorayme wrote:



Thanks *very much* for this, just what I wanted to know! Good, one  
less thing to worry about then.




Also, if your needs for Windows programs don't include gaming-type  
performance, consider getting the open source VirtualBox instead of  
one of the commercial VM systems.




I'm using it at home and it's quite good.

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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[dorayme]

iJohn  Mar 08 11:46AM -0500 ^

> 3. Shall I partition the 320GB HD for a planned purchase and  
installation of

> Fusion or Parallels *at this stage* or not worry about it?

I believe that both Fusion and Parallels for the Mac support a
"virtual disk" mechanism. Certainly you can also carve out a separate
partition on your hard drive for the OS which you wish wish to run in
parallel to OS X. But you don't need to.


...

Thanks *very much* for this, just what I wanted to know! Good, one  
less thing to worry about then.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[iJohn]

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:08 AM, dorayme  wrote:
> 3. Shall I partition the 320GB HD for a planned purchase and installation of
> Fusion or Parallels *at this stage* or not worry about it?

I believe that both Fusion and Parallels for the Mac support a
"virtual disk" mechanism. Certainly you can also carve out a separate
partition on your hard drive for the OS which you wish wish to run in
parallel to OS X. But you don't need to.

The virtual disk boils down to the app creating a file which resides
in your Mac's Extended (aka HFS+) File System. This file would be at
least a few GB in size and contains the complete installation of the
OS which you are running under Fusion or Parallels. The advantage is
that the size of this virtual disk/partition can be (relatively)
easily dynamically expanded so you don't have to "waste" space on a
fixed partition. You can also back it up as part of backing up the
other files on your Mac should you choose to.

I suppose the disadvantage is that you are more locked into depending
on the virtualization app to run the OS in the virtual drive. You
couldn't (for example) easily clone/copy the install partition to
another (non-Mac) system and run it there. This has never been a
concern for me.

-irrational john

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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 3:08 AM, dorayme wrote:

4. I will then install Snow from my brand new DVD disks and  
somewhere along the way, I will be asked if I want to bring in stuff  
from another Mac.


Yes; it's after the installation and final reboot, when you're running  
Setup Assistant.


5. I will then connect my MB to the QS backup external drive via  
USB. I will connect the two via USB. (No FW on MB). When I am  
"setting up" for first time and I am asked if i want to move stuff,  
I say yes and I identify *the whole QS back up volume* on the  
external HD.




Yes. This way you get all your third party apps, application support,  
system prefs etc as well as your user stuff.


6. That's it? MA is "quite smart enough to manage the complexities  
involved". I trust you Bruce! Luckily, nothing is mission critical  
because I will not need the MB to do serious work for a couple of  
weeks. I hope it does not ask me tricky questions along the way.


That's it. All it asks you is 'Do you want to import all this stuff? Y/ 
N? Just select the default values all the way through and you're good  
to go. It really is a painless process.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 3:08 AM, dorayme wrote:



3. Shall I partition the 320GB HD for a planned purchase and  
installation of Fusion or Parallels *at this stage* or not worry  
about it? Is this not the time to do this? What would be minimum  
recommended size?


You do not partition the disk to use a Virtual system like Parallels,  
Fusion or Virtualbox, only if you're going to run Windows in non- 
virtualized state with Boot Camp. Virtual machines use disk image files.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:08 AM, dorayme wrote:

>> Bruce Johnson  Mar 07 12:43PM -0700 ^
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2010, at 3:37 PM, dorayme wrote:
>> 
>> > machines. Yes there were instructions but I got cold feet because of
>> > the length of time it said to do the job - need my G4 for work all
>> > the time!
>> 
>> The time estimate lies, especially at the beginning
>> 
>> Do you never sleep? You use MA on only one system. Mount the whole
>> drive , not just you user folder
> 
> 
> Yes, I sleep, but not for 18 hours, what do you take me for, some sort of 
> layabout? I am a hard working visitor to your Earth. It really was slow 
> through the network on ethernet... 
> 
> OK, OK ... (I read your further post about my neuroticism )
> 
> 1. I will make a fresh and tested backup with SuperDuper of my main working 
> Tiger drive on my QS to my external HD volume via FW and Superduper.
> 
> 2. I will wipe the 320GB HD on the Macbook clean with Disk Utility and get my 
> install disks out.
> 
> 3. Shall I partition the 320GB HD for a planned purchase and installation of 
> Fusion or Parallels *at this stage* or not worry about it? Is this not the 
> time to do this? What would be minimum recommended size?
> 

You can partition the MacBook drive in place with Leopard. So Please don't 
worry about this.

> 4. I will then install Snow from my brand new DVD disks and somewhere along 
> the way, I will be asked if I want to bring in stuff from another Mac.

Make sure after you install SL you also do all the Apple updates using software 
updates, nothing else!!
> 
> 5. I will then connect my MB to the QS backup external drive via USB. I will 
> connect the two via USB. (No FW on MB). When I am "setting up" for first time 
> and I am asked if i want to move stuff, I say yes and I identify *the whole 
> QS back up volume* on the external HD.
> 

That's the way, you can also use MA at any time you wish by simply going to the 
application in your Utilities folder.

> 6. That's it? MA is "quite smart enough to manage the complexities involved". 
> I trust you Bruce! Luckily, nothing is mission critical because I will not 
> need the MB to do serious work for a couple of weeks. I hope it does not ask 
> me tricky questions along the way.
> 

Please just do it . We're all waiting to see you amazed at the accuracy of 
Migration Assistant. LOL  But That's just maybe me.

> Excuse me writing all this down but I am trying to generate a clear algorithm 
> (which I will then *sell* ...  (Woody Allen once told about how his dying 
> grandfather, from his deathbed, tried to *sell* his pocket watch to Woody...)
> 
>> Use your Macbook restore disks to restore the Macbook to factory
>> condition, then when you're setting up the thing for the first time,
>> plug in the external backup when you're asked if you want to move your
>> stuff from another Mac.
> 
> --
> dorayme

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA






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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[dorayme]

Bruce Johnson  Mar 07 12:43PM -0700 ^

On Mar 6, 2010, at 3:37 PM, dorayme wrote:

> machines. Yes there were instructions but I got cold feet because of
> the length of time it said to do the job - need my G4 for work all
> the time!

The time estimate lies, especially at the beginning

Do you never sleep? You use MA on only one system. Mount the whole
drive , not just you user folder



Yes, I sleep, but not for 18 hours, what do you take me for, some  
sort of layabout? I am a hard working visitor to your Earth. It  
really was slow through the network on ethernet... 


OK, OK ... (I read your further post about my neuroticism )

1. I will make a fresh and tested backup with SuperDuper of my main  
working Tiger drive on my QS to my external HD volume via FW and  
Superduper.


2. I will wipe the 320GB HD on the Macbook clean with Disk Utility  
and get my install disks out.


3. Shall I partition the 320GB HD for a planned purchase and  
installation of Fusion or Parallels *at this stage* or not worry  
about it? Is this not the time to do this? What would be minimum  
recommended size?


4. I will then install Snow from my brand new DVD disks and somewhere  
along the way, I will be asked if I want to bring in stuff from  
another Mac.


5. I will then connect my MB to the QS backup external drive via USB.  
I will connect the two via USB. (No FW on MB). When I am "setting up"  
for first time and I am asked if i want to move stuff, I say yes and  
I identify *the whole QS back up volume* on the external HD.


6. That's it? MA is "quite smart enough to manage the complexities  
involved". I trust you Bruce! Luckily, nothing is mission critical  
because I will not need the MB to do serious work for a couple of  
weeks. I hope it does not ask me tricky questions along the way.


Excuse me writing all this down but I am trying to generate a clear  
algorithm (which I will then *sell* ...  (Woody Allen once told  
about how his dying grandfather, from his deathbed, tried to *sell*  
his pocket watch to Woody...)



Use your Macbook restore disks to restore the Macbook to factory
condition, then when you're setting up the thing for the first time,
plug in the external backup when you're asked if you want to move your
stuff from another Mac.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 7, 2010, at 7:15 PM, dorayme wrote:

But my MB should have the latest apps that came installed from Apple  
when it was delivered plus all the latest versions of my favourite  
apps (like Firefox with add ons and extensions, Cyberduck, iCab ...)  
that I have *recently* downloaded fresh from the internet.


MA is smart enough to not move over older versions of Apple apps.

Seriously, you're overthinking this, bigtime. Wipe and restore your  
MB, then transfer your data during setup. MA is quite smart enough to  
manage the complexities involved.


Even if you have to update some programs, all the settings, prefs, etc  
will be in place.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:15 PM, dorayme wrote:

>> John Carmonne  Mar 06 04:27PM -0800 ^
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:37 PM, dorayme wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Well this sounds so complicated to me.; I would start all over. I assume you 
>> still have the QS intact, I would start with a brand new untouched MacBook 
>> Pro and just let Migration Assistant do what it does best.
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I really wish I knew what MA does best! 
> 
> All I want is this: I continue to work with my QS as usual. I will NEVER EVER 
> abandon it! It is the best machine i have ever had, and that includes my ex 
> Ford XY.
> 
> But my MB should have the latest apps that came installed from Apple when it 
> was delivered plus all the latest versions of my favourite apps (like Firefox 
> with add ons and extensions, Cyberduck, iCab ...) that I have *recently* 
> downloaded fresh from the internet.
> 
> And, critically, *in addition*, in respect to things like Mail, having all my 
> messages from way back, all my old mailboxes, when I send new messages they 
> go to their destination "from" whatever email I choose, servers are contacted 
> without bafflement, passwords known. And in respect to MT-Newswatcher, having 
> all the same groups and settings and ready to go. About Cyberduck, all the 
> bookmarks and all the settings and all the passwords known. If keychain is 
> crucial for passwords, that keychain is updated from the QS.
> 
> --
> dorayme
> 
> 
 I think you can make a CCC of your QS on an external and then connect it to 
the MB via USB and use MA to update the new MacBook from the external disk I 
fact I've done it. Just migrate the whole thing and then see what you have. 
You've nothing to lose. As someone said also the time starts out lying.

John Carmonne
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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[dorayme]

John Carmonne  Mar 06 04:27PM -0800 ^

On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:37 PM, dorayme wrote:


Well this sounds so complicated to me.; I would start all over. I  
assume you still have the QS intact, I would start with a brand new  
untouched MacBook Pro and just let Migration Assistant do what it  
does best.


Hi John,

I really wish I knew what MA does best! 

All I want is this: I continue to work with my QS as usual. I will  
NEVER EVER abandon it! It is the best machine i have ever had, and  
that includes my ex Ford XY.


But my MB should have the latest apps that came installed from Apple  
when it was delivered plus all the latest versions of my favourite  
apps (like Firefox with add ons and extensions, Cyberduck, iCab ...)  
that I have *recently* downloaded fresh from the internet.


And, critically, *in addition*, in respect to things like Mail,  
having all my messages from way back, all my old mailboxes, when I  
send new messages they go to their destination "from" whatever email  
I choose, servers are contacted without bafflement, passwords known.  
And in respect to MT-Newswatcher, having all the same groups and  
settings and ready to go. About Cyberduck, all the bookmarks and all  
the settings and all the passwords known. If keychain is crucial for  
passwords, that keychain is updated from the QS.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 6, 2010, at 3:37 PM, dorayme wrote:





I first began by connecting my MB (on Snow) to my internet network  
coming out of my G4 (on Tiger). I went to Migrant Assistant on both  
machines. Yes there were instructions but I got cold feet because of  
the length of time it said to do the job - need my G4 for work all  
the time!


The time estimate lies, especially at the beginning

Do you never sleep? You use MA on only one system. Mount the whole  
drive , not just you user folder




Was going to go offline and try to connect ethernet cable directly  
between G4 and MB when I had the idea of simply using the FW/USB  
external backup I always use (on FW) to back up the G4 via  
SuperDuper. So I grabbed the external HD and connected a USB cable  
to MB and went to Migrant Assistant. Took less than an hour with  
Apps not ticked! I unhooked the external HD then and looked at the MB.


The result? Confusion! At least confusion in me! It stuck most of  
the transfer from the G4 into a folder. It did something to the MB  
settings too because when I came to log on again with the MB there  
were were new login accounts. When I went into the normal prior MB  
user account, I saw no new expected bookmarks in my Cyberduck, no  
usual expected mail boxes in Mail.


If run after initial system setup, Migration Assistant moves the WHOLE  
user account over and establishes it as a new account.


It does NOT move all that stuff into the default account UNLESS it's  
done as part of setting the account up in the first place. (IE: during  
the initial setup you ran when you first turned on the Macbook.)


Log in as the transferred account. Go into the accounts setting and  
delete the original account, Voila, now you're 'yourself' on the new  
system.


However since you've messed with it by moving plists and files about,  
the simplest method is to start from scratch.


Use your Macbook restore disks to restore the Macbook to factory  
condition, then when you're setting up the thing for the first time,  
plug in the external backup when you're asked if you want to move your  
stuff from another Mac.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Al Poulin]

Thank  you, thank you, guys for bottom posting.  Otherwise this thread
would be doubly confusing.

Migration Assistant never worked for me in several attempts to move
from Panther on my QS 733 to an IBook with Tiger or from the QS to an
Intel iMac with Leopard.  It worked well from that Intel iMac,
upgraded with Snow Leopard, to another one with Snow Leopard.  But I
ended up with two admin accounts, one from the older iMac, and the one
I had already set up on the newer one.

On Mar 6, 7:27 pm, John Carmonne  wrote:
> On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:37 PM, dorayme wrote:
>
> > I first began by connecting my MB (on Snow) to my internet network coming 
> > out of my G4 (on Tiger). I went to Migrant Assistant on both machines. Yes 
> > there were instructions but I got cold feet because of the length of time 
> > it said to do the job - need my G4 for work all the time!
>
> > Truth is I just don't know how all this stuff works! I realised later that 
> > I should not tick the apps for transfer, that would save much time.
>
> > Was going to go offline and try to connect ethernet cable directly between 
> > G4 and MB when I had the idea of simply using the FW/USB external backup I 
> > always use (on FW) to back up the G4 via SuperDuper. So I grabbed the 
> > external HD and connected a USB cable to MB and went to Migrant Assistant. 
> > Took less than an hour with Apps not ticked! I unhooked the external HD 
> > then and looked at the MB.

Good idea here for using the SuperDuper external backup with USB.  But
you could try using SuperDuper to clone your "Users" folder to the
Macbook.  This will not transfer your QS login accounts.  Do not copy,
but make fresh installs of any applications into the Macbook that you
will no longer use on the QS.  Frankly, I do not know whether your
Apple Mail will work, since there has been a rewrite of Mail software
somewhere between Panther and Leopard.

The alternative that worked for me several times was this:  Drag/copy
the contents  of my QS Users folder to the Users folder of the new
machine.  When Mail did not work, dragged the Mail folder from Library
onto the Desktop.  Launch the Mail application and go to File>Import
Mailboxes.  This Import may be all you need to fix Mail with a
SuperDuper clone.  Then install applications.
>
> > The result? Confusion! At least confusion in me! It stuck most of the 
> > transfer from the G4 into a folder. It did something to the MB settings too 
> > because when I came to log on again with the MB there were were new login 
> > accounts. When I went into the normal prior MB user account, I saw no new 
> > expected bookmarks in my Cyberduck, no usual expected mail boxes in Mail.
>
> > I have got half success by going to individual programs and trying to tell 
> > them to import from this or that folder/file (which at least is now on my 
> > MB due to the actions of Migrant Assistant). I got more success by tracking 
> > down files from the G4 library and simply copying them to replace things on 
> > the MB (stuff like "Favorites.plist" and "Queue.plist")!
>
> > But I was hoping that somehow there would be a more global automatic way of 
> > succeeding!
> > f
> > --
> > dorayme
>
> Well this sounds so complicated to me.; I would start all over. I assume you 
> still have the QS intact, I would start with a brand new untouched MacBook 
> Pro and just let Migration Assistant do what it does best. When asked to 
> migrate say yes and tell it where the Mac is and go somewhere
>  Don't try to second guess this stuff unless you know what it all means. 
> After It's done you'll have a system as close as your QS as Snow Leopard will 
> allow. If it's not up to par you haven't lost anything because the QS is 
> still intact :-D

Since the OP said "Macbook," we know there is no FireWire.  If using
Migration Assistant on the Users folder works well through a direct
Ethernet connection, great.Then install applications.

Al Poulin

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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:37 PM, dorayme wrote:

>> John Carmonne  Mar 06 11:51AM -0800 ^
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> 
>> Migration Assistant. You SHOULD be asked during the setup for the new
>> Macbook.
> 
> 
>> I just thought of something I know the new MBPs no longer have FW ports so 
>> how do you use Migration Assistant with a QS to a new MBP?
>> 
>> John Carmonne
>> Yorba Linda USA
> 
> I first began by connecting my MB (on Snow) to my internet network coming out 
> of my G4 (on Tiger). I went to Migrant Assistant on both machines. Yes there 
> were instructions but I got cold feet because of the length of time it said 
> to do the job - need my G4 for work all the time!
> 
> Truth is I just don't know how all this stuff works! I realised later that I 
> should not tick the apps for transfer, that would save much time.
> 
> Was going to go offline and try to connect ethernet cable directly between G4 
> and MB when I had the idea of simply using the FW/USB external backup I 
> always use (on FW) to back up the G4 via SuperDuper. So I grabbed the 
> external HD and connected a USB cable to MB and went to Migrant Assistant. 
> Took less than an hour with Apps not ticked! I unhooked the external HD then 
> and looked at the MB.
> 
> The result? Confusion! At least confusion in me! It stuck most of the 
> transfer from the G4 into a folder. It did something to the MB settings too 
> because when I came to log on again with the MB there were were new login 
> accounts. When I went into the normal prior MB user account, I saw no new 
> expected bookmarks in my Cyberduck, no usual expected mail boxes in Mail.
> 
> I have got half success by going to individual programs and trying to tell 
> them to import from this or that folder/file (which at least is now on my MB 
> due to the actions of Migrant Assistant). I got more success by tracking down 
> files from the G4 library and simply copying them to replace things on the MB 
> (stuff like "Favorites.plist" and "Queue.plist")!
> 
> But I was hoping that somehow there would be a more global automatic way of 
> succeeding!
> f
> --
> dorayme


Well this sounds so complicated to me.; I would start all over. I assume you 
still have the QS intact, I would start with a brand new untouched MacBook Pro 
and just let Migration Assistant do what it does best. When asked to migrate 
say yes and tell it where the Mac is and go somewhere
 Don't try to second guess this stuff unless you know what it all means. After 
It's done you'll have a system as close as your QS as Snow Leopard will allow. 
If it's not up to par you haven't lost anything because the QS is still intact 
:-D

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA






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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[dorayme]

John Carmonne  Mar 06 11:51AM -0800 ^

On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

Migration Assistant. You SHOULD be asked during the setup for the new
Macbook.



I just thought of something I know the new MBPs no longer have FW  
ports so how do you use Migration Assistant with a QS to a new MBP?


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA


I first began by connecting my MB (on Snow) to my internet network  
coming out of my G4 (on Tiger). I went to Migrant Assistant on both  
machines. Yes there were instructions but I got cold feet because of  
the length of time it said to do the job - need my G4 for work all  
the time!


Truth is I just don't know how all this stuff works! I realised later  
that I should not tick the apps for transfer, that would save much time.


Was going to go offline and try to connect ethernet cable directly  
between G4 and MB when I had the idea of simply using the FW/USB  
external backup I always use (on FW) to back up the G4 via  
SuperDuper. So I grabbed the external HD and connected a USB cable to  
MB and went to Migrant Assistant. Took less than an hour with Apps  
not ticked! I unhooked the external HD then and looked at the MB.


The result? Confusion! At least confusion in me! It stuck most of the  
transfer from the G4 into a folder. It did something to the MB  
settings too because when I came to log on again with the MB there  
were were new login accounts. When I went into the normal prior MB  
user account, I saw no new expected bookmarks in my Cyberduck, no  
usual expected mail boxes in Mail.


I have got half success by going to individual programs and trying to  
tell them to import from this or that folder/file (which at least is  
now on my MB due to the actions of Migrant Assistant). I got more  
success by tracking down files from the G4 library and simply copying  
them to replace things on the MB (stuff like "Favorites.plist" and  
"Queue.plist")!


But I was hoping that somehow there would be a more global automatic  
way of succeeding!


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:04 PM, dorayme wrote:

>> Is it ok to ask about how to export settings etc from my QS Powermac
>> 2002 0n Tiger latest to a new brand new Macbook with Snow Leopard
>> here or should I ask in some Macbook group please?
> 
>> 
>> John Carmonne  Mar 06 12:30AM -0800 ^
>> 
>> Migration assistant should do it.
> 
> Yes, that is what I wanted to ask about. I tried this and got into a complete 
> mess.
> 
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What type of mess are you talking about?

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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[dorayme]

Is it ok to ask about how to export settings etc from my QS Powermac
2002 0n Tiger latest to a new brand new Macbook with Snow Leopard
here or should I ask in some Macbook group please?




John Carmonne  Mar 06 12:30AM -0800 ^

Migration assistant should do it.


Yes, that is what I wanted to ask about. I tried this and got into a  
complete mess.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Nikki Wraith]

Ethernet. It's slow, and doesn't always work well.

Mikeal Palulis
Kallisti Medias


On Mar 6, 2010, at 3:35 PM, John Carmonne  wrote:



On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:


On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:51 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

I just thought of something I know the new MBPs no longer have FW  
ports so how do you use Migration Assistant with a QS to a new MBP?



The new MacBook Pros have a FireWire (800) port:








I guess I meant the new MacBook. So how does migration Assistant  
work on the new MacBook? I'm kinda sure it does but I'm wondering how.


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:

> On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:51 AM, John Carmonne wrote:
> 
>> I just thought of something I know the new MBPs no longer have FW ports so 
>> how do you use Migration Assistant with a QS to a new MBP?
> 
> 
> The new MacBook Pros have a FireWire (800) port:
> 
> 
> 



I guess I meant the new MacBook. So how does migration Assistant work on the 
new MacBook? I'm kinda sure it does but I'm wondering how.

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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Fabian Fang]

On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:51 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

I just thought of something I know the new MBPs no longer have FW  
ports so how do you use Migration Assistant with a QS to a new MBP?



The new MacBook Pros have a FireWire (800) port:




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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Mar 6, 2010, at 1:19 AM, dorayme wrote:
> 
>> Is it ok to ask about how to export settings etc from my QS Powermac 2002 0n 
>> Tiger latest to a new brand new Macbook with Snow Leopard here or should I 
>> ask in some Macbook group please?
> 
> 
> Migration Assistant. You SHOULD be asked during the setup for the new Macbook.
> 
> 
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> 
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> 



I just thought of something I know the new MBPs no longer have FW ports so how 
do you use Migration Assistant with a QS to a new MBP?


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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 6, 2010, at 1:19 AM, dorayme wrote:

Is it ok to ask about how to export settings etc from my QS Powermac  
2002 0n Tiger latest to a new brand new Macbook with Snow Leopard  
here or should I ask in some Macbook group please?



Migration Assistant. You SHOULD be asked during the setup for the new  
Macbook.



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Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:19 AM, dorayme wrote:

> Is it ok to ask about how to export settings etc from my QS Powermac 2002 0n 
> Tiger latest to a new brand new Macbook with Snow Leopard here or should I 
> ask in some Macbook group please?
> --
> dorayme
> 
Migration assistant should do it.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA






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