Re: Throwing in the Towel – CPU Upgrades
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Throwing in the Towel Date:Sunday, 16. December 2012 From:Alex Sciorino zeosr...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I just checked my favourite online auction site and I don't see any dual 1ghz. The best I can find is single 867. Have you considered a Sonnet upgrade? You can get the single core 1ghz for about $40. There are single core upgrades up to 1.8 GHz around. Up to 1.6 GHz it may be bought at a reasonable price… Search for Sonnet, OWC (Other World Computing), Giga Designs, Newer Technology, PowerLogix, XLR8 and FastMac. http://lowendmac.com/ppc/g4upgrades.html It doesn’t always have to be Sonnet. I have an OWC upgrade at home, a Mercury Xtreme G4 1.4 GHz Processor Upgrade (OWCME41400L2D), like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/OWC-Mercury-Xtreme-1-4GHz-Apple-G4-Desktop-Upgrade-/261133816357 (that’s not my eBay auction, I just want to make the point that it may still be available) IMO Dual processor upgrade cards are in no way worth the current market prices, like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Technologies-PowerPC-G4-1-8-GHz-SG4D-1800L-Processor-/150920002639 BUT, original Dual-1 GHz processor modules are also available, like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Mac-G4-1-0GHz-Dual-Processor-Module-661-2730-820-1310-A-3967-/160940346106 Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel â CPU Upgrades
Just remember that the fastest G4 which was produced by IBM and/or Moto (Freescale) was 1.42 GHz, and the so-called 1.5 GHz (to accommodate the 100 MHz bus case), and 1.6 GHz, ..., 2.0 GHz G4s are really 1.42 GHz chips which have been purchased in bulk and then die sorted by the manufacturer, usually with an extensive burn in process to confirm operations (usually Photoshop, etcetera) with a higher-than-specification clock speed. IMO, Giga-Designs are the best of the supercharged dual core replacements as they figured out how to layout a dual core processor card which could be used in BOTH 100 MHz bus AND 133 MHz bus models (the sockets are actually the same, but the orientation is quite different. There are single core upgrades up to 1.8 GHz around. Up to 1.6 GHz it may be bought at a reasonable price… Search for Sonnet, OWC (Other World Computing), Giga Designs, Newer Technology, PowerLogix, XLR8 and FastMac. http://lowendmac.com/ppc/g4upgrades.html It doesn’t always have to be Sonnet. I have an OWC upgrade at home, a Mercury Xtreme G4 1.4 GHz Processor Upgrade (OWCME41400L2D), like this: -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
On Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:00:37 PM UTC-6, pdimage wrote: On 15/12/2012 16:32, Richard Gerome onecoo...@earthlink.netjavascript: wrote: So this left me wondering why so many put this 9800 in them??? Maybe someone here can tell me why they even use this 9800 card? When I go back to NC to visit them I'm going to download Leopard on it for them... It's because the 9800 pro was just about the fastest 4x agp card you could get for a G4 - and the easiest to convert from pc to mac with little or no problems and get all the ports working fully. I think the ATI Fire GL X3 256mb AGP was faster. It may not be easier to convert. However, if you get the HP version, ATI Fire GL X3. then reports are that both DVI ports work fully as expected. There are problems with getting both ports working if one gets a regular X800 XT. The ATI Fire GL X3 is available on Ebay for less than $50. Back in April they were going for as low as $25 each. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
The ATI FireGL X3 is a great card for the G5 PowerMac, but I am not so sure it is a good choice for the G4. Also, only certain models can be converted for use in a Mac, and I can guarantee you that 80%, or more of those cheap $25 to $50 FireGL X3's for sale on eBay are NOT the ones that can be successfully converted. I got lucky, but then had extensive discussions with an expert who converted mine and sells them on his website, so buyer beware! That cheap FireGL X3 you get from eBay might not be able to be converted for use in any Mac, unless you are lucky. I think the ATI Fire GL X3 256mb AGP was faster. It may not be easier to convert. However, if you get the HP version, ATI Fire GL X3. then reports are that both DVI ports work fully as expected. There are problems with getting both ports working if one gets a regular X800 XT. The ATI Fire GL X3 is available on Ebay for less than $50. Back in April they were going for as low as $25 each. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
On 15/12/2012 16:32, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: I bought that 9800 for a friend's G4 466mhz Tower and never used it because I couldn't flash the rom... I maxed the ram, put in a 250G 7200rpm HD (only reads 128G) and a new DVD super drive and installed Tiger. They had this 23 monitor for it and I just left the orig video card in it. I had to boot it up 3 or 4 times till the res was all the way up to it's max..? This was about 2 yrs ago and it's still working pretty good with no problems... So this left me wondering why so many put this 9800 in them??? Maybe someone here can tell me why they even use this 9800 card? When I go back to NC to visit them I'm going to download Leopard on it for them... It's because the 9800 pro was just about the fastest 4x agp card you could get for a G4 - and the easiest to convert from pc to mac with little or no problems and get all the ports working fully. Nvidia and other cards had conversion problems - no s-vid, no dvi etc but the 9800 worked 100% if flashed correctly. I flashed many cards from pc to mac but the only one I know of which is easier than the 9800 is the 8500 - much slower than the 9800, half the ram at 64 MB (or a quarter if you get a 9800 with 256) and much slower tsop ram compared to the ball grid array ram on the 9800 - only snag was the disabling of the pins 3 and 11 as Apple had commandeered them for ADC connections. http://themacelite.wikidot.com/flasher-s-buying-guide-9800 Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
I bought that 9800 for a friend's G4 466mhz Tower and never used it because I couldn't flash the rom... I maxed the ram, put in a 250G 7200rpm HD (only reads 128G) and a new DVD super drive and installed Tiger. They had this 23" monitor for it and I just left the orig video card in it. I had to boot it up 3 or 4 times till the res was all the way up to it's max..? This was about 2 yrs ago and it's still working pretty good with no problems... So this left me wondering why so many put this 9800 in them??? Maybe someone here can tell me why they even use this 9800 card? When I go back to NC to visit them I'm going to download Leopard on it for them...-Original Message- From: Michael McMurtrey <skyking...@verizon.net> Sent: Dec 14, 2012 9:10 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Throwing in the Towel On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5.There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are expensive and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one myself without success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a problem (hot, ozone smell and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB alleged) and was returned to the seller. That's why I finally settled on a 9600.A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told) and I'll bet that is the one you have.Michael McMurtreyCarrollton, TX-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs.The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlTo post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.comFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... “Choose love and peace above all other options. Commit to the goal of unconditional love and compassion for all life, in all its expressions, and surrender all judgment to God. --- Dr. David R. Hawkins -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5. There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are expensive and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one myself without success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a problem (hot, ozone smell and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB alleged) and was returned to the seller. That's why I finally settled on a 9600. A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told) and I'll bet that is the one you have. Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
Sorry I have not replied to this topic until now, but I am recovering from back surgery, and not really in the mood for getting into discussions about anything. I have a good friend who is a sort of expert on re-flashing PC video cards for the G4 PowerMac MDD and other models as well. He has re-flashed my Radeon 8500 w/128mb VRAM (which is faster than the 9000) for my own G4 PowerMac MDD. He has been running a Radeon 9800XT in his own G4 PowerMac MDD for over a year with no problems, and from my discussions with him, I will soon be upgrading my Radeon 8500 to a PC re-flashed 9800Pro, which I am buying from him. In all of my discussions with my friend about video cards for our G4 PowerMac MDD, he has never once mentioned any problems with running any model of the Radeon 9800 in his own G4 PowerMac MDD (other than the heat they produce). So, I doubt that there is only one model of the Radeon 9800 which works in the G4 PowerMac MDD, as he has tested dozens of these Radeon video cards in his own MDD and has sold or given them away to developers that are still working on PPC software and operating systems. I know that none of this helps the original poster who is having problems with his 9800, but I just wanted to let everyone else know that it can, and has been done, successfully many times. - Original Message - From: Michael McMurtrey To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Throwing in the Towel On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5. There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are expensive and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one myself without success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a problem (hot, ozone smell and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB alleged) and was returned to the seller. That's why I finally settled on a 9600. A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told) and I'll bet that is the one you have. Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
Dave: Thanks for the info. For some reason my posts are still going into moderation ( I have written to Dan about it), so I don't know when this will actually appear... If you could put me in touch with your expert friend, I would be very grateful. I would like to get that 9800 to work, but I am at the end of my technical knowledge, and really wouldn't know what to do next, nor how to tell if there is, in fact, something wrong with the card, or something I am doing wrong. You can e-mail me at frrobATearthlinkDOTnet. Thanks, Rob J. On Friday, December 14, 2012 12:35:46 PM UTC-5, AmigaDave wrote: Sorry I have not replied to this topic until now, but I am recovering from back surgery, and not really in the mood for getting into discussions about anything. I have a good friend who is a sort of expert on re-flashing PC video cards for the G4 PowerMac MDD and other models as well. He has re-flashed my Radeon 8500 w/128mb VRAM (which is faster than the 9000) for my own G4 PowerMac MDD. He has been running a Radeon 9800XT in his own G4 PowerMac MDD for over a year with no problems, and from my discussions with him, I will soon be upgrading my Radeon 8500 to a PC re-flashed 9800Pro, which I am buying from him. In all of my discussions with my friend about video cards for our G4 PowerMac MDD, he has never once mentioned any problems with running any model of the Radeon 9800 in his own G4 PowerMac MDD (other than the heat they produce). So, I doubt that there is only one model of the Radeon 9800 which works in the G4 PowerMac MDD, as he has tested dozens of these Radeon video cards in his own MDD and has sold or given them away to developers that are still working on PPC software and operating systems. I know that none of this helps the original poster who is having problems with his 9800, but I just wanted to let everyone else know that it can, and has been done, successfully many times. - Original Message - *From:* Michael McMurtrey *To:* g3-5...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 6:10 AM *Subject:* Re: Throwing in the Towel On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5. There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are expensive and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one myself without success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a problem (hot, ozone smell and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB alleged) and was returned to the seller. That's why I finally settled on a 9600. A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told) and I'll bet that is the one you have. Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
Michael: A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told) and I'll bet that is the one you have. That would be my luck... Well, we'll see what happens with the 9600 when I get it. Thanks, Rob J. On Friday, December 14, 2012 9:10:16 AM UTC-5, skyki...@verizon.net wrote: On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5. There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are expensive and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one myself without success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a problem (hot, ozone smell and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB alleged) and was returned to the seller. That's why I finally settled on a 9600. A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told) and I'll bet that is the one you have. Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Throwing in the towel (was Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior)
Hello again! Well, I have given up on the 9800. I spent several hours again yesterday trying unsuccessfully to get the MDD to boot normally. I finally removed *every* hard drive except the boot drive (OWC 115 GB SSD), and every PCI card. No joy. I replaced the PRAM battery - that didn't help either. I even remove the tape from pins 3 11. No help there either. In fact, I could only get the machine to boot without the flashing molex warning once. Out of some 20 attempts to start the machine, on all but one attempt, regardless of what I did, I got the flashing molex warning. I tested continuity on all the molex splitter leads, and all were OK. So, I'm guessing that there may be a defect in the card. Perhaps a cracked trace, or something. I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5. But for now I am back to the 9000. I've purchased a 9600 XT on eBay. Perhaps I will have better luck with that. Thanks again for all your suggestions. Rob J. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:16:52 AM UTC-5, Alex Sciortino wrote: I may be wrong, but my old 9600 would work with a G4. The 9600 is from a G5. The card is 8x but the Mac is 4x. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the towel (was Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior)
I don't know if anyone talked about this or not? Is this a PC 9800? If it is it needs to have the rom flashed besides taping 3 and 11 pins...-Original Message- From: frrob <fr...@earthlink.net> Sent: Dec 13, 2012 3:05 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Throwing in the towel (was Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior) Hello again!Well, I have given up on the 9800. I spent several hours again yesterday trying unsuccessfully to get the MDD to boot "normally". I finally removed *every* hard drive except the boot drive (OWC 115 GB SSD), and every PCI card. No joy. I replaced the PRAM battery - that didn't help either. I even remove the tape from pins 3 11. No help there either.In fact, I could only get the machine to boot without the flashing molex warning once. Out of some 20 attempts to start the machine, on all but one attempt, regardless of what I did, I got the flashing molex warning. I tested continuity on all the molex splitter leads, and all were OK. So, I'm guessing that there may be a defect in the card. Perhaps a cracked trace, or something. I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5. But for now I am back to the 9000. I've purchased a 9600 XT on eBay. Perhaps I will have better luck with that. Thanks again for all your suggestions. Rob J. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:16:52 AM UTC-5, Alex Sciortino wrote: I may be wrong, but my old 9600 would work with a G4. The 9600 is from a G5. The card is 8x but the Mac is 4x.-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs.The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlTo post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.comFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... “Choose love and peace above all other options. Commit to the goal of unconditional love and compassion for all life, in all its expressions, and surrender all judgment to God. --- Dr. David R. Hawkins -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
