[Audyssey] Heli
Hi, I'm thinking we should port Heli over to BGT. What are your thoughts? If there are no objections, is there anyone helping with the VB version who'd like to help me convert it? Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Angry Birds and Accessibility Standards
what blind game are you working on On 27 Jan 2011, at 11:21, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi, Well done. I really liked the article. You raised some very good points. I guess I hadn't realised no one had drafted a set of standards for game accessibility, but I guess that's not too surprising. Definitely something to think about. Cheers! On 1/26/11, Kwasi Mensah kwasi.men...@ananseproductions.com wrote: Hey everyone, My company, which is currently working on a blind accessible iphone game, has a new blog post on apply accessibility standards the popular mobile game Angry Birds. You can read it at: http://www.ananseproductions.com/angry-birds-and-accessibility-standards/ Enjoy and Thanks for any feedback! Kwasi -- -- Founder, Ananse Productions www.ananseproductions.com Games for the Rest of US --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Hi Shiny Protector, This game is a space battle. Players compete with each other for ownership of worlds and their resources which they use to build ships and fleets. It's a fairly straightforward (if complex) strategy game, along the same lines as Risk or similar board games, but it is played over several days or weeks on the internet. The game requires skill with diplomacy and negotiation, and/or with battle tactics and maneuvering, but has very little to do with philosophy. And I'm not sure what RS refers to. David On 11:59 AM, Shiny protector wrote: 2 Things. First, is this game about phelosiphy and RS? Second, I have know idea about your talking about. What is the game about exactly? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Hi Sarah, I'm glad I had such fortunate timing. I look forward to hearing about your experiences--please let me know if anything is unclear or if it doesn't work as it should! David On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sarah Haake wrote: taht's really cool. I just searched for such a game some while ago and couldn't find anything suitable. It either used grafical maps even in email responses or the game wasn't active anymore. So, your post comes just right for me. *smiles* --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] lot of questions about accessable games and dark distroier
hi all i am austin from india and im a gamer new1 i want to know more websites for accessable games for windows7 i played dark distroyer and almost got adicted to it but i cant reach level 7 is there any chaet code bty which i can be faster or get more boms? i saw the readme file and there was no such thing so please help thanks -- austin pinto email austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com alternat email austin.pi...@hotmail.com facebook www.facebook.com/austinpinto orkut www.orkut.com/austinpinto twitter www.twitter.com/austinmpinto --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] lot of questions about accessable games and darkdistroier
Hi, Here are cheats: take me forward: takes you to the next level. stop ya all: stops all enemys blast em all: gives you 100 boms. Activate autopilot: Computer does play the game Deactivate autopilot: disables the autopilot Enjoy! saygilar sevgiler. - Original Message - From: austin pinto austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: [Audyssey] lot of questions about accessable games and darkdistroier hi all i am austin from india and im a gamer new1 i want to know more websites for accessable games for windows7 i played dark distroyer and almost got adicted to it but i cant reach level 7 is there any chaet code bty which i can be faster or get more boms? i saw the readme file and there was no such thing so please help thanks -- austin pinto email austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com alternat email austin.pi...@hotmail.com facebook www.facebook.com/austinpinto orkut www.orkut.com/austinpinto twitter www.twitter.com/austinmpinto --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] questions on sighted games beeihng accessable
hi all i have this real question since i got to know audio games and started gameing some days ago is there some accessable version of nfs carhban and gtays city which our sighted counterparts enjoy please reply thanks -- austin pinto email austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com alternat email austin.pi...@hotmail.com facebook www.facebook.com/austinpinto orkut www.orkut.com/austinpinto twitter www.twitter.com/austinmpinto --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] lot of questions about accessable games and darkdistroier
hi saygilar and all thanks for this cheets saygilar can you tell me how to go about this cheets do i have to type it at the starting of every level or i can type them anytime and howmany times can i use a cheet in a game and will coppy paste work? On 1/28/11, burakyuksek burakyuksek...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Here are cheats: take me forward: takes you to the next level. stop ya all: stops all enemys blast em all: gives you 100 boms. Activate autopilot: Computer does play the game Deactivate autopilot: disables the autopilot Enjoy! saygilar sevgiler. - Original Message - From: austin pinto austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: [Audyssey] lot of questions about accessable games and darkdistroier hi all i am austin from india and im a gamer new1 i want to know more websites for accessable games for windows7 i played dark distroyer and almost got adicted to it but i cant reach level 7 is there any chaet code bty which i can be faster or get more boms? i saw the readme file and there was no such thing so please help thanks -- austin pinto email austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com alternat email austin.pi...@hotmail.com facebook www.facebook.com/austinpinto orkut www.orkut.com/austinpinto twitter www.twitter.com/austinmpinto --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- austin pinto email austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com alternat email austin.pi...@hotmail.com facebook www.facebook.com/austinpinto orkut www.orkut.com/austinpinto twitter www.twitter.com/austinmpinto --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Hi Ken, The first thing that I did when I started writing in VB6 was to get rid of the option explicit. I had never needed to declare variables in any Basic before and I did not want to start. May I ask what you mean by you'll slip by with bad errors if you do not use the option explicit? Thanks. BFN Jim Never test for an error you don't know how to handle. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Homer Simpson Talking Beer Opener
Hi Phil, Thank you very much for the info and the URL. Jacob sent me the sound clip. I definitely have got to get me one. Thanks again. TGIF and BFN Jim Beer doesn't make you fat, it makes you lean. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] lot of questions about accessable games anddarkdistroier
press x and type them. You dont need to type these in evri level saygilar sevgiler. - Original Message - From: austin pinto austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] lot of questions about accessable games anddarkdistroier hi saygilar and all thanks for this cheets saygilar can you tell me how to go about this cheets do i have to type it at the starting of every level or i can type them anytime and howmany times can i use a cheet in a game and will coppy paste work? On 1/28/11, burakyuksek burakyuksek...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Here are cheats: take me forward: takes you to the next level. stop ya all: stops all enemys blast em all: gives you 100 boms. Activate autopilot: Computer does play the game Deactivate autopilot: disables the autopilot Enjoy! saygilar sevgiler. - Original Message - From: austin pinto austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: [Audyssey] lot of questions about accessable games and darkdistroier hi all i am austin from india and im a gamer new1 i want to know more websites for accessable games for windows7 i played dark distroyer and almost got adicted to it but i cant reach level 7 is there any chaet code bty which i can be faster or get more boms? i saw the readme file and there was no such thing so please help thanks -- austin pinto email austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com alternat email austin.pi...@hotmail.com facebook www.facebook.com/austinpinto orkut www.orkut.com/austinpinto twitter www.twitter.com/austinmpinto --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- austin pinto email austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com alternat email austin.pi...@hotmail.com facebook www.facebook.com/austinpinto orkut www.orkut.com/austinpinto twitter www.twitter.com/austinmpinto --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Backgammon
Hi, Is there a good accessible backgammon game out there? I remember purchasing one a few years back, but there've been a few computers between me and that game, and I don't have it anymore. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Hi, Hmmm...I'm not really sure why you are so against optionExplicit. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:51 AM To: Ken the Crazy Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, The first thing that I did when I started writing in VB6 was to get rid of the option explicit. I had never needed to declare variables in any Basic before and I did not want to start. May I ask what you mean by you'll slip by with bad errors if you do not use the option explicit? Thanks. BFN Jim Never test for an error you don't know how to handle. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon
Wow! another fan of backgammon. Thought I was as alien and unique a being as Q9. The only accessible version I know of is from Azabat software in the UK. You have to get most of his stuff on cds but you can purchase backgammon separately as a downloadable game. I'm still hoping that Ian Humfreys from Spoonbill Software will eventually create a good free version like he has with Scrabble. Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Backgammon Hi, Is there a good accessible backgammon game out there? I remember purchasing one a few years back, but there've been a few computers between me and that game, and I don't have it anymore. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon
That's right. I got it from him. I wonder if he has documentation of my purchase. *Ponders* Hey, maybe we could figure a way to play on Skype or Twitter or something. Does that make me even more alien? Grin -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Feir Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 5:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon Wow! another fan of backgammon. Thought I was as alien and unique a being as Q9. The only accessible version I know of is from Azabat software in the UK. You have to get most of his stuff on cds but you can purchase backgammon separately as a downloadable game. I'm still hoping that Ian Humfreys from Spoonbill Software will eventually create a good free version like he has with Scrabble. Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Backgammon Hi, Is there a good accessible backgammon game out there? I remember purchasing one a few years back, but there've been a few computers between me and that game, and I don't have it anymore. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon
I wish I knew the first thing about that game. Would be a fun project. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Loravara Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:28 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon That's right. I got it from him. I wonder if he has documentation of my purchase. *Ponders* Hey, maybe we could figure a way to play on Skype or Twitter or something. Does that make me even more alien? Grin -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Feir Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 5:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon Wow! another fan of backgammon. Thought I was as alien and unique a being as Q9. The only accessible version I know of is from Azabat software in the UK. You have to get most of his stuff on cds but you can purchase backgammon separately as a downloadable game. I'm still hoping that Ian Humfreys from Spoonbill Software will eventually create a good free version like he has with Scrabble. Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Backgammon Hi, Is there a good accessible backgammon game out there? I remember purchasing one a few years back, but there've been a few computers between me and that game, and I don't have it anymore. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon
and where can get it from please? thanks. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon That's right. I got it from him. I wonder if he has documentation of my purchase. *Ponders* Hey, maybe we could figure a way to play on Skype or Twitter or something. Does that make me even more alien? Grin -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Feir Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 5:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon Wow! another fan of backgammon. Thought I was as alien and unique a being as Q9. The only accessible version I know of is from Azabat software in the UK. You have to get most of his stuff on cds but you can purchase backgammon separately as a downloadable game. I'm still hoping that Ian Humfreys from Spoonbill Software will eventually create a good free version like he has with Scrabble. Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Backgammon Hi, Is there a good accessible backgammon game out there? I remember purchasing one a few years back, but there've been a few computers between me and that game, and I don't have it anymore. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon
Here's one that's meant to be accessible etc. - and seems there should be a demo before you buy it: http://www.azabat.co.uk/games4.html (jump to heading related to it, or search for backgammon) Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon and where can get it from please? thanks. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon That's right. I got it from him. I wonder if he has documentation of my purchase. *Ponders* Hey, maybe we could figure a way to play on Skype or Twitter or something. Does that make me even more alien? Grin -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Feir Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 5:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon Wow! another fan of backgammon. Thought I was as alien and unique a being as Q9. The only accessible version I know of is from Azabat software in the UK. You have to get most of his stuff on cds but you can purchase backgammon separately as a downloadable game. I'm still hoping that Ian Humfreys from Spoonbill Software will eventually create a good free version like he has with Scrabble. Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Backgammon Hi, Is there a good accessible backgammon game out there? I remember purchasing one a few years back, but there've been a few computers between me and that game, and I don't have it anymore. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list,
Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon
That's the one. Strange, isn't it? We must have four different versions of sudocu, many takes on Space Invaders, two takes on Pacman, a couple Monopoly and Chess, but only one Backgammon. Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon Here's one that's meant to be accessible etc. - and seems there should be a demo before you buy it: http://www.azabat.co.uk/games4.html (jump to heading related to it, or search for backgammon) Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon and where can get it from please? thanks. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon That's right. I got it from him. I wonder if he has documentation of my purchase. *Ponders* Hey, maybe we could figure a way to play on Skype or Twitter or something. Does that make me even more alien? Grin -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Feir Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 5:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon Wow! another fan of backgammon. Thought I was as alien and unique a being as Q9. The only accessible version I know of is from Azabat software in the UK. You have to get most of his stuff on cds but you can purchase backgammon separately as a downloadable game. I'm still hoping that Ian Humfreys from Spoonbill Software will eventually create a good free version like he has with Scrabble. Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Backgammon Hi, Is there a good accessible backgammon game out there? I remember purchasing one a few years back, but there've been a few computers between me and that game, and I don't have it anymore. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Ok, for example, in coding for 3d you have to write something like heli3d.setposition 5, 0, 5, ds3d_immediate Well, I came across three different variants I hadn't realized were even there. First I had ds3d - immediate, in another place I had ds3d_imeediate and somewhere else I had d3d_immediate. The option explicit made me see all those problems and fix them. I am using NVDA, and wordpad to do the programming, so the punctuation wasn't spoken--and it would drive me nuts if it were, so I missed all that. The option explicit is like a net. Yeah, having to declare variables is a pain, but I think it saves some time in the long run. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, The first thing that I did when I started writing in VB6 was to get rid of the option explicit. I had never needed to declare variables in any Basic before and I did not want to start. May I ask what you mean by you'll slip by with bad errors if you do not use the option explicit? Thanks. BFN Jim Never test for an error you don't know how to handle. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Hi Zack, I think my earlier response to your message must have gotten lost--my responses to other people on this list have finally shown up, but not this one. Odd. Maybe I replied using the wrong email address. Well, here it is again. Great, I'm looking forward to hearing about your experience! The complete game rules are available online via HTML, or as a downloadable PDF file--is one of these forms easier to read than the other? It occurs to me now that neither form is available via the email interface, but I could correct this. I could also provide it as a single one-page HTML file, and I could probably convert it to plain text as well. As to how I came to this list, well, I did seek it out. I was listing the features of RSW that make it uniquely different from all of the other free games on the web, and one of them that came to mind was its (at least theoretical) accessibility due to its nature. David On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hello, I've just signed up for my first game. I'm eager to see how it turns out, and will pass along any accessibility suggestions if I feel they're warranted. This sort of game is right up my alley, so I'm looking forward to the challenge. Out of interest, how did you stumble upon this list? It's rare for sighted people to pop up out of the woodwork, as it were. All the best, Zack. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Angry Birds and Accessibility Standards
We're working on a puzzle game were you use layers of music to find objects on a grid. I'll have more info next week when we officially announce. -Kwasi On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:45 AM, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.comwrote: what blind game are you working on On 27 Jan 2011, at 11:21, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi, Well done. I really liked the article. You raised some very good points. I guess I hadn't realised no one had drafted a set of standards for game accessibility, but I guess that's not too surprising. Definitely something to think about. Cheers! On 1/26/11, Kwasi Mensah kwasi.men...@ananseproductions.com wrote: Hey everyone, My company, which is currently working on a blind accessible iphone game, has a new blog post on apply accessibility standards the popular mobile game Angry Birds. You can read it at: http://www.ananseproductions.com/angry-birds-and-accessibility-standards/ Enjoy and Thanks for any feedback! Kwasi -- -- Founder, Ananse Productions www.ananseproductions.com Games for the Rest of US --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Engines was Heli
Hi Thomas, We are certainly in agreement here. Unicode conversions, memory management and all the other things are certainly a pain which I guess is why we are writing engines. Smile. Luckily AngelScript has built in garbage collection so I didn't have to worry about that part, but I did have to write a small converter function from char* to WCHAR* etc. Not a big deal if it is called behind the scenes by the scripting engine but if you need to actively use it while programming, that's not so good. As for .net, I dislike it for a few reasons. First of all, it is huge. Huge, bulky, and constantly being updated so you need to download new versions of the thing. There is no reason why a few programming components should be that large, in my opinion. Granted Windows Vista and above are including .net, but then there is the issue of extra dependencies, like to play certain games you need to install not only .net but also this extra wrapper, and then a wrapper for that wrapper. Not something I'll cheer for. When I download a game, I just want it to run. I don't want to care about what it uses internally. See my drift? I also don't like the fact that .net programs are so easy to reverse engineer, and to protect yourself you need to get yet another extra add-on. Not nice. Oh I don't have a problem that a high level language compiles into mid-level byte code, .net does it and so does AngelScript and Lua and what have you, but the environment should take measures to secure the byte code. I use strong encryption to protect mine in BGT. Oh I'm sure it can be cracked, but at least I am trying and not making people get an upgrade just to have basic security features. How come you decided to switch from .net to C++? What were your main reasons? Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: phi...@blastbay.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Engines was Heli Hi Philip, You definitely have a point. Although, I know C++ fairly well myself I don't like using it as much as something like C# .NET just because its a little too low-level for my liking. As author Jesse Liberty put it in his book Teach Yourself C# .net in 21 Days, going back to C++ is like pulling teeth. He has a very good point as C# .net via the .NET Framework wraps all that low-level stuff in a high-level interface. For example, as you know and I know, a lot of the Windows API functions take Unicode character strings. Well, if you have a lot of anci strings you have to convert them to an unicode wide character string before passing them to the API function. That's a pain in the butt. In .net languages you don't have to worry about that problem because the System::String class can convert between ansci and unicode quite easily. Then, there is the issue of memory management and garbage collection. To be honest the garbage collecter is one of the strong advantages to using .net languages rather than C++. With C++ you are on your own unless you write your own garbage collecter to manage garbage collection in the background. Anyway, I agree with you. For various reasons writing games in C++ is a pain. There is no doubt about that. Using a scripting language like Angelscript or using a .net language as a high-level interface is obviously a much easier solution all things considered. Although, I'm curious to know why you don't like .net. There is a lot i personally like about it, and for Windows programming it makes my life as a programmer much much easier. There is also Mono, a Mac/Linux implamentation of .net, which really makes cross-platform development fairly straight forward for a lot of apps. As for the BGT documentation I can't honestly remember when the last time I looked at them was. It was well before 1.0 came out. Maybe beta 3 or beta 4. Something along that lines. As you said, a lot has changed since then, and I should have looked before saying what I said. Cheers! On 1/27/11, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi Thomas, I don't know when you last viewed the BGT documentation but until fairly recently, the more advanced object oriented parts of the language were not covered at all in the tutorial. AngelScript has inheritance, polymorphism through interfaces, overloaded functions and class operators, and even such things as function pointers. So while not quite a programming language it comes very close while stil being extremely simple, and I would never go back to writing actualg ame logic in C++ again. I'm all for using C++ where speed/performance is concerned, but equally as convinced that high level game logic should be written in a high level language. And since I am not a fan of .net, I ended up using a scripting solution. This way I don't even have to initialize anything, no need to open a device, set up DirectInput or even worry about creating
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
hello David. I'm interested to try your stratogy game, also because I am a memeber of the audiogames.net staff, I can put it on our database to make it more well known as an accessible game. However, I do have a coupl.e of questions. firstly, your quick walkthrough and sample list in the help documents mentions nothing of the E-mail client or textual interface, it gives all instructions entirely with reference to screen shots in the graphical client. Would it be possible to see some sample turns of a game? that way we would most easily be able to determine any access issues which may come up, without having to inconvenience other players. currently for instance, i'm uncertain of what the review of the galactic map, what worlds you own and where your fleets and ships and your opponents are would look like in text. Obviously, to be able to play on an equal footing the text review of this information must be equally comprehensive and as good at providing an overview. as Sarah has said, there are virtually no games like this online, indeed the only manufacturer of them I found used complex html and graphic turn maps and thus proved entirely inaccessible (not to mention a rather complex way of submitting turn orders), so I deffinately see the advantage here. all the best, Dark. administrator, www.audiogames.net - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game Hi Zack, I think my earlier response to your message must have gotten lost--my responses to other people on this list have finally shown up, but not this one. Odd. Maybe I replied using the wrong email address. Well, here it is again. Great, I'm looking forward to hearing about your experience! The complete game rules are available online via HTML, or as a downloadable PDF file--is one of these forms easier to read than the other? It occurs to me now that neither form is available via the email interface, but I could correct this. I could also provide it as a single one-page HTML file, and I could probably convert it to plain text as well. As to how I came to this list, well, I did seek it out. I was listing the features of RSW that make it uniquely different from all of the other free games on the web, and one of them that came to mind was its (at least theoretical) accessibility due to its nature. David On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hello, I've just signed up for my first game. I'm eager to see how it turns out, and will pass along any accessibility suggestions if I feel they're warranted. This sort of game is right up my alley, so I'm looking forward to the challenge. Out of interest, how did you stumble upon this list? It's rare for sighted people to pop up out of the woodwork, as it were. All the best, Zack. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] lot of questions about accessable games and darkdistroier
Hello Austin. www.audiogames.net and www.pcsgames.net are great places to find out more accessible games. Pcsgames.net has a large, comprehensive list of website links, while audiogames.net has a database you can search, and some hopefully comprehensive game descriptions and reviews. Hopefully both sites will help you find more games to play. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: austin pinto austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [Audyssey] lot of questions about accessable games and darkdistroier hi all i am austin from india and im a gamer new1 i want to know more websites for accessable games for windows7 i played dark distroyer and almost got adicted to it but i cant reach level 7 is there any chaet code bty which i can be faster or get more boms? i saw the readme file and there was no such thing so please help thanks -- austin pinto email austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com alternat email austin.pi...@hotmail.com facebook www.facebook.com/austinpinto orkut www.orkut.com/austinpinto twitter www.twitter.com/austinmpinto --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Hello Hayden, RS in England stands for Relegious studies. Its not also about relegious stuff, we also study pholosical questions. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game Hi, How does one base a game off of philosophy? And what is RS? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game Hi, 2 Things. First, is this game about phelosiphy and RS? Second, I have know idea about your talking about. What is the game about exactly? - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game Hello, I've just signed up for my first game. I'm eager to see how it turns out, and will pass along any accessibility suggestions if I feel they're warranted. This sort of game is right up my alley, so I'm looking forward to the challenge. Out of interest, how did you stumble upon this list? It's rare for sighted people to pop up out of the woodwork, as it were. All the best, Zack. On Jan 26, 2011, at 12:34 PM, David Rose wrote: Greetings gamers, I'm the developer of RSW, an independent multiplayer strategy game. It's an homage to the classic play-by-mail games of the 1970's and 1980's, and it can still be played exactly as those games were played (though by email instead of postal mail). I develop this game in my free time, just because it makes me happy to do so. Although it wasn't specifically designed for the visually impaired, the fact that it retains the classic text-based interface makes it perfectly suited to allow visually-impaired players to compete equally with the sighted. (There is also a modern graphical client for those who prefer accessing the game in that way, but the game is fully functional via old-school turn reports and order sheets.) As a game, RSW isn't for everyone, but for detail-oriented people it can be very thrilling. It's turn-based, with turn times highly configurable and typically ranging from three to seven days per turn. Successful gameplay involves a lot of communication with other players; diplomacy and interaction are very important elements of the game (though there are also game variants that eliminate this communication). The game population is fairly small right now--about 10-20 active players--but I'm trying to spread the word and grow the player base, which will hopefully lead to more exciting games for everyone. If you think you might be interested, I'd love for you to check it out! Also, I'd love to know if there are problems accessing the website or the email interface. You can visit the website at http://rswgame.com , or if you prefer using email, send an email message with just the word hello in the body of the message (not the subject) to r...@rswgame.com . Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Wow. I need to have a look at this. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game Hi Shiny Protector, This game is a space battle. Players compete with each other for ownership of worlds and their resources which they use to build ships and fleets. It's a fairly straightforward (if complex) strategy game, along the same lines as Risk or similar board games, but it is played over several days or weeks on the internet. The game requires skill with diplomacy and negotiation, and/or with battle tactics and maneuvering, but has very little to do with philosophy. And I'm not sure what RS refers to. David On 11:59 AM, Shiny protector wrote: 2 Things. First, is this game about phelosiphy and RS? Second, I have know idea about your talking about. What is the game about exactly? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Hi David, yes, I'll cirtainly give you feedback when I had time to look further into it. I didn't have time for it yet, but I'll cirtainly try it in the next few days. I'm really curious now and hope the game is finally what I searched for. Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Ideas for a game
Hi, Will you be including attacks like blocking sword attacks, leening backwards, slipping punches, spinning around and more? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Ideas for a game Hi, Yeah, but Monkey Business isn't a side-scroller. I was comparing side-scrollers like MOTA to things like Super Liam, Q9, Battlezone, etc that doesn't have any virticle movement. Mostly in those games you start on the left side and run right. Well, Super Liam has the one level where you run left instead of right, but the same difference in most cases. On 1/28/11, Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com wrote: Monkey Business had some of that. You could climb vines, then swing over to a platform. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Hi, Agreed. A sample turn would be nice. I'm eager for my current game to start, but would love to have an idea of what I was getting into beforehand. Best and thanks, Zack. On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:01 AM, dark wrote: hello David. I'm interested to try your stratogy game, also because I am a memeber of the audiogames.net staff, I can put it on our database to make it more well known as an accessible game. However, I do have a coupl.e of questions. firstly, your quick walkthrough and sample list in the help documents mentions nothing of the E-mail client or textual interface, it gives all instructions entirely with reference to screen shots in the graphical client. Would it be possible to see some sample turns of a game? that way we would most easily be able to determine any access issues which may come up, without having to inconvenience other players. currently for instance, i'm uncertain of what the review of the galactic map, what worlds you own and where your fleets and ships and your opponents are would look like in text. Obviously, to be able to play on an equal footing the text review of this information must be equally comprehensive and as good at providing an overview. as Sarah has said, there are virtually no games like this online, indeed the only manufacturer of them I found used complex html and graphic turn maps and thus proved entirely inaccessible (not to mention a rather complex way of submitting turn orders), so I deffinately see the advantage here. all the best, Dark. administrator, www.audiogames.net - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game Hi Zack, I think my earlier response to your message must have gotten lost--my responses to other people on this list have finally shown up, but not this one. Odd. Maybe I replied using the wrong email address. Well, here it is again. Great, I'm looking forward to hearing about your experience! The complete game rules are available online via HTML, or as a downloadable PDF file--is one of these forms easier to read than the other? It occurs to me now that neither form is available via the email interface, but I could correct this. I could also provide it as a single one-page HTML file, and I could probably convert it to plain text as well. As to how I came to this list, well, I did seek it out. I was listing the features of RSW that make it uniquely different from all of the other free games on the web, and one of them that came to mind was its (at least theoretical) accessibility due to its nature. David On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hello, I've just signed up for my first game. I'm eager to see how it turns out, and will pass along any accessibility suggestions if I feel they're warranted. This sort of game is right up my alley, so I'm looking forward to the challenge. Out of interest, how did you stumble upon this list? It's rare for sighted people to pop up out of the woodwork, as it were. All the best, Zack. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
You can get a free one called NVDA at www.nvda-project.org Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
You can try demos of JAWS by Freedom Scientific and windoweyes by GWMicro. And there is the free NVDA screen reader. Dean - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? | Hi folks, | | My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to | death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the | archives. | | At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I | couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I | realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! | I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a | number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. | | But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without | knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do | Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is | built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself | recommends users buy a third-party program instead. | | So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose | of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program | should it be? | | Thanks! | David | | --- | Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org | If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. | You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at | http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. | All messages are archived and can be searched and read at | http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. | If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, | please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
and then there's system access, which is also free which you can run by going to www.satogo.com - Original Message - From: Dean Masters dwmast...@earthlink.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? You can try demos of JAWS by Freedom Scientific and windoweyes by GWMicro. And there is the free NVDA screen reader. Dean - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? | Hi folks, | | My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to | death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the | archives. | | At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I | couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I | realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! | I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a | number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. | | But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without | knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do | Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is | built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself | recommends users buy a third-party program instead. | | So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose | of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program | should it be? | | Thanks! | David | | --- | Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org | If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. | You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at | http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. | All messages are archived and can be searched and read at | http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. | If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, | please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] dungeons and empires 2 released... noa ccessibility
Hi all, matheus, who's also on this list, just tolled me that DNE2 came out. Now the surprising thing it does not appear accessible. Well the map part. He said he tried clicking on things and it didn't work, and there's no compatibility mode in options. Needless to say, I am quite surprised. Perhaps dark or anyone else that's been in contact with Neil can shed some light on this. - Peter Mahach |piterm...@gmail.com msn: pitermac...@hotmail.com skype (not very often): pitermach twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pitermach webpage: http://pmsworld.weisi4u.de/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
that's a hard one. there's jaws from freedom scientific, window-eyes from gw micro. nvda wich is a free product and system access from serotek and you can get a free account at satogo.com On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:07 PM, David Rose wrote: Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
jaws, nvda and window-eyes probably have the biggest user base. Oh and we forgot the supernova suite from dolphin. www.yourdolphin.com I personally dislike jaws now since imho freedom scientific is now trying to get more cash out of people rather than fix bugs and add useful features but, that's off topic. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
But it is a not good screenreader. sevgiler saygilar - Original Message - From: Michael Feir michael.f...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? You can get a free one called NVDA at www.nvda-project.org Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
Why is it not a good screen reader? It works great here -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of burakyuksek Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? But it is a not good screenreader. sevgiler saygilar - Original Message - From: Michael Feir michael.f...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? You can get a free one called NVDA at www.nvda-project.org Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5828 (20110128) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5828 (20110128) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
But it is not reading msn. Jaws is good than it. This is my thot. sevgiler saygilar - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Why is it not a good screen reader? It works great here -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of burakyuksek Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? But it is a not good screenreader. sevgiler saygilar - Original Message - From: Michael Feir michael.f...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? You can get a free one called NVDA at www.nvda-project.org Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5828 (20110128) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5828 (20110128) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
most people either have one or more than one of the screen readers i myself have all 4 that being jaws, system access nvda and window-eyes? have you tried window-eyes out? On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:09 PM, David Rose wrote: Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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you hear more about jaws window-eyes and nvda isnstead of super nova. On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Pitermach wrote: jaws, nvda and window-eyes probably have the biggest user base. Oh and we forgot the supernova suite from dolphin. www.yourdolphin.com I personally dislike jaws now since imho freedom scientific is now trying to get more cash out of people rather than fix bugs and add useful features but, that's off topic. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well nvda is really good for websites. I have supanova here and I still use it for somethings. It runs exactly like jaws and is quite good. At 07:29 a.m. 29/01/2011, you wrote: and then there's system access, which is also free which you can run by going to www.satogo.com - Original Message - From: Dean Masters dwmast...@earthlink.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? You can try demos of JAWS by Freedom Scientific and windoweyes by GWMicro. And there is the free NVDA screen reader. Dean - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? | Hi folks, | | My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to | death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the | archives. | | At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I | couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I | realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! | I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a | number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. | | But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without | knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do | Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is | built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself | recommends users buy a third-party program instead. | | So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose | of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program | should it be? | | Thanks! | David | | --- | Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org | If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. | You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at | http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. | All messages are archived and can be searched and read at | http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. | If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, | please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
Greetings David. Despite its prohibitive cost, JAWS definitely dominates the screen reader market due to governmental endorsement through purchase orders for educational institutions and other services. Regarding making your site accessible: generally, if it's accessible to NVDA, it will more than likely be accessible to the bigger screen readers (JAWS, Window-Eyes, System Access, etc). Feel free to test your site with NVDA. At worst, you'll get some strange JAWS behaviour, which can be rectified upon user input. Kai - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well any screen reader will work, strictly speaking there is some w3c guidelines at w3c.org or something but I have never viewed this. These guidelines are for accessability and are probably something you want to look for. Having headings and sub headings were applicable, lists, bulleted or otherwise, forms list combo boxes, labeled radio and check controls etc. Text modes or just text and no graphics, though alt text descriptions of images will be good. No image links if you can possably avoid those. No flash unless you label everything i guess, and audio, well no music playing in the site because it can go over the volume of readers. But having a theme, buttons and links making noise, small audio messages on the site, in fact as long as you don't overdo it you can be as fancy with audio as you want. Though be wary for those using mobile devices etc. At 07:45 a.m. 29/01/2011, you wrote: that's a hard one. there's jaws from freedom scientific, window-eyes from gw micro. nvda wich is a free product and system access from serotek and you can get a free account at satogo.com On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:07 PM, David Rose wrote: Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well comercial readers cost loads. Jaws is not the be all end all though loads of people in organisations will tell you its the only one. Nvda is a simple reader that is a narater replacement. If you never have any need to run vertual mode or anything then nvda works quite well. Its also not to bad though I would never use it as a full time reader ofcause. Its opensource, you should get on the lists or something if you think you can help they are always fixing things. At 08:09 a.m. 29/01/2011, you wrote: Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well sn has its own range of issues but support is good but yeah, the topic thing. My issue with fs is the fact it seems to like to sue other manufacturers for no real reason. At 08:08 a.m. 29/01/2011, you wrote: jaws, nvda and window-eyes probably have the biggest user base. Oh and we forgot the supernova suite from dolphin. www.yourdolphin.com I personally dislike jaws now since imho freedom scientific is now trying to get more cash out of people rather than fix bugs and add useful features but, that's off topic. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi David, Yup, as a user experience NVDA feels a little clunky at times, but I'd still recommend testing with that on Windows. My thinking is that NVDA currently has the least amount of quirks in terms of how it interprets HTML, so although it's a bit raw, a page that is easy for you to use with both NVDA and VoiceOver shouldn't throw up any surprises no matter what people are using. For the record, your JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability comment gave me a good laugh. Talk like that would get you the cyber equivalent of a standing ovation from some groups of blind folks, and thrown to the lions by others. Fortunately, this list is pretty neutral. Good luck, and if there's anything specific you get stuck on accessibility-wise just shout. Scott On 1/28/11, David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com wrote: Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
sevgiler: Rather than subjecting David to personal opinions about screen readers, lets attempt to be objective to give him the information he needs. In this instance, David is asking what screen reader people use most, not necessarily which is the best or worst, or even which one performs poorly. I happen to use NVDA right along side my JAWS, and they are, for me, very comparable products, with the added bonus that NVDA is free. Plenty of people use NVDA on a regular basis without complaint, so such negative statements about its viability are at best unfair. Criticism is all well and good (I do plenty of that myself), but lets do so in an appropriate thread/forum, if we must. Kai - Original Message - From: burakyuksek burakyuksek...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? But it is a not good screenreader. sevgiler saygilar - Original Message - From: Michael Feir michael.f...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? You can get a free one called NVDA at www.nvda-project.org Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
well if you think nvda has all the features of all the comercial readers then you are gona be rather dissapointed. Compaired to comercial readers its a bunch of crap, no vertual cursers, and not necessarily good flash or image link detection. But on the other side it has good web navigation compared to jaws. I has never crashed on websites at all, at least not the stable versions. Except for a few apps its quite stable and its python powered. Its also fast, and can run with about anything you care to shove it at. Its also is portable and small. Concider nvda an advanced narater clone. It works for general basic work in fact I use it on a win7 system where I don't need advanced software quite well. At 09:25 a.m. 29/01/2011, you wrote: Why is it not a good screen reader? It works great here -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of burakyuksek Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? But it is a not good screenreader. sevgiler saygilar - Original Message - From: Michael Feir michael.f...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? You can get a free one called NVDA at www.nvda-project.org Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5828 (20110128) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5828 (20110128) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
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Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
Hi David, Speaking for myself, I use Window-Eyes on the PC and VoiceOver on the Mac, and Speakup under Linux. The latter would probably be difficult to test, as it requires a complete new OS, and besides is definitely in the minority as far as total usage goes. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:09 AM, David Rose wrote: Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
Thanks for the advice, everyone! I apologize for setting off a firecracker in your midst. :) I will continue to test with NVDA and back it up with an occasional check with JAWS and Window-Eyes on the PC, and VoiceOver on Mac. (The accessibility guidelines are useful, and of course I have been following them; but it's still important to know how actual implementations respond to webpages in practice. It's the same reason a web developer should always test his page on several different browsers.) David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
My previous email in this thread was lost, perhaps because the mail server software didn't like my attachment. (I had attached a sample order sheet.) But the more important part of that email was this: Why don't I create a private game for all the possibly-interested people on this list, just to try out the rules and see how the game works? I can set up a Core game, which is usually a better choice for a beginner because the rules are a bit simpler. How many people would be interested? Zack, Dark, Sarah? Anyone else? David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
Hi David. most windows screen reader users use one of three programs. jaws, window eyes or hal (what I use). these days though, web navigation is such a fairly standardized business, your only likely to run into trouble access wise if your websites include none standard controls, flash, funny java aps or similar. bog standard text and links with labled images isn't likely to cause trouble, and certainly i noticed nothing when brouser the site myself. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
Just to add my point. You can try out a demo of hal by going to www.dolphin.co.uk Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Pitermach piterm...@gmail.com To: Dean Masters dwmast...@earthlink.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? and then there's system access, which is also free which you can run by going to www.satogo.com - Original Message - From: Dean Masters dwmast...@earthlink.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? You can try demos of JAWS by Freedom Scientific and windoweyes by GWMicro. And there is the free NVDA screen reader. Dean - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? | Hi folks, | | My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to | death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the | archives. | | At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I | couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I | realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! | I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a | number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. | | But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without | knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do | Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is | built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself | recommends users buy a third-party program instead. | | So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose | of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program | should it be? | | Thanks! | David | | --- | Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org | If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. | You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at | http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. | All messages are archived and can be searched and read at | http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. | If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, | please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] dungeons and empires 2 released... noa ccessibility
Last I heard, niels was working on access features in empires and dungeons and I've been in discussion with him about ways to make a screen reader accessible map for the game. It's entirely possible though, that this mode isn't ready yet and won't be out for another version or two, pluss will take some beta testing to get right. As Anyone who remembers the initial releases of smugglers 4 will know, it'll work out in the end. i would however urge people to write supportive comments on niels' blog and express interest in a compatibility mode for the game, sinse that gives him far more motivation to work on it. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Pitermach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: [Audyssey] dungeons and empires 2 released... noa ccessibility Hi all, matheus, who's also on this list, just tolled me that DNE2 came out. Now the surprising thing it does not appear accessible. Well the map part. He said he tried clicking on things and it didn't work, and there's no compatibility mode in options. Needless to say, I am quite surprised. Perhaps dark or anyone else that's been in contact with Neil can shed some light on this. - Peter Mahach |piterm...@gmail.com msn: pitermac...@hotmail.com skype (not very often): pitermach twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pitermach webpage: http://pmsworld.weisi4u.de/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
Hi David. hal, which i use is very useable, and reads your pages perfectly well. Also, though it is expensive, it's not as bad as jaws for price (but that's starting another arguement which i won't begin now). all the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
In the us that is true. here in the Uk and in europe however, hal/supernova is far more used, I in fact never even heard of window eyes myself until 2003, and that from an american chap I met online rather than a native British user. it's all really just swings and roundabouts. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? you hear more about jaws window-eyes and nvda isnstead of super nova. On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Pitermach wrote: jaws, nvda and window-eyes probably have the biggest user base. Oh and we forgot the supernova suite from dolphin. www.yourdolphin.com I personally dislike jaws now since imho freedom scientific is now trying to get more cash out of people rather than fix bugs and add useful features but, that's off topic. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Thanks for the advice, everyone! NVDA and System Access are workable, but clumsy. JAWS is much nicer, it approaches VoiceOver in usability, but it's incredibly expensive (you could buy a new computer for less). Of course, I can use it in the free demo mode for my purposes, but do people really spend so much on JAWS? I guess the most important question is, what software do people actually use? I see after a quick inspection that all of these options read my webpages slightly differently. I don't want to waste time making it work well with a program that no one uses. Thanks, David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Count me in David, i'd be glad to help with the testing.. Btw, you might also considder starting a topic on www.audiogames.net. it's the main discussion forum for accessible games, and while there are many people there who also post here, there are also those who stick to one or the other, usually because they prefer either the mailing list or web forum format. while I could certainly mention your game there, it might be more helpful if you introduce it yourself and also answer questions. Just go to www.audiogames.net and create a forum account. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game My previous email in this thread was lost, perhaps because the mail server software didn't like my attachment. (I had attached a sample order sheet.) But the more important part of that email was this: Why don't I create a private game for all the possibly-interested people on this list, just to try out the rules and see how the game works? I can set up a Core game, which is usually a better choice for a beginner because the rules are a bit simpler. How many people would be interested? Zack, Dark, Sarah? Anyone else? David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Hi David, Count me in. I've already signed up for a classic game, so don't know if I should withdraw while I still can and wait for the accessibility testing, or just go ahead with both. Either way, this is a good idea. On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:53 PM, dark wrote: Count me in David, i'd be glad to help with the testing.. Btw, you might also considder starting a topic on www.audiogames.net. it's the main discussion forum for accessible games, and while there are many people there who also post here, there are also those who stick to one or the other, usually because they prefer either the mailing list or web forum format. while I could certainly mention your game there, it might be more helpful if you introduce it yourself and also answer questions. Just go to www.audiogames.net and create a forum account. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game My previous email in this thread was lost, perhaps because the mail server software didn't like my attachment. (I had attached a sample order sheet.) But the more important part of that email was this: Why don't I create a private game for all the possibly-interested people on this list, just to try out the rules and see how the game works? I can set up a Core game, which is usually a better choice for a beginner because the rules are a bit simpler. How many people would be interested? Zack, Dark, Sarah? Anyone else? David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Hi, I too would be pretty interested in this game. In general I am interested in all accessible webgames so it is exciting to hear that there will be a ne wone. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game Hi David, Count me in. I've already signed up for a classic game, so don't know if I should withdraw while I still can and wait for the accessibility testing, or just go ahead with both. Either way, this is a good idea. On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:53 PM, dark wrote: Count me in David, i'd be glad to help with the testing.. Btw, you might also considder starting a topic on www.audiogames.net. it's the main discussion forum for accessible games, and while there are many people there who also post here, there are also those who stick to one or the other, usually because they prefer either the mailing list or web forum format. while I could certainly mention your game there, it might be more helpful if you introduce it yourself and also answer questions. Just go to www.audiogames.net and create a forum account. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game My previous email in this thread was lost, perhaps because the mail server software didn't like my attachment. (I had attached a sample order sheet.) But the more important part of that email was this: Why don't I create a private game for all the possibly-interested people on this list, just to try out the rules and see how the game works? I can set up a Core game, which is usually a better choice for a beginner because the rules are a bit simpler. How many people would be interested? Zack, Dark, Sarah? Anyone else? David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
I know that we will never agree in terms of screen reader. It's like clothes, it's a matter of taste. And each person uses the computer diffrently with diffrent purposes and diffrent applications etc. I personally love NVDA and honestly it's my favourite screen reader. I love the screen reader on itself, and I like the concept! I think that blind people should pay for what they need in life just like everyone else. But the access to the computers is somehow diffrent because it involves access to education and access to emploiment etc. When you have someone who will employ a blind person and he or she knows that he will have to pay more than one thousand Euros for allowing this blind person working for me, he or she will probably think twice. If you have a freeware screenreader, at least you have the option of doing it otherwise and you have the possibility of employing a person for no more cost than other workers.. A freeware screenreader opens a lot of doors for blind people all around the world and remember that blind people are not only from rich countries. Allthough you probably don't listen them much on this list, there are blind people in a lot of countries in development. And nvda opened the door to them to legally have access to school and work. You will not ask schools in poor countries to pay more than 1000 Euros for teaching blind students with computers don't you? I don't care eif it's better or worst and even more, I think there is space for everyone. If you have a lot of money and want something extraordinary and wonderful buy your beautiful jaws! But others also have the right to use computers. For me NVVDA does everything what I need and it's light, eficient and suits all my needs. If you give me a legal copy of others, I will stay with nvda because I simply like it. Allthough NVDA is not competing with comercial screen readers, I understand why their sellers are nervous! And my last point the people who most criticize NVDA, we know very well why they do it and we also know what very often they do with comercial ones. Cheers, Jorge Jorge Gonçalves jopo...@hotmail.com Skype: joport3 Twitter: www.twitter.com/goncalvesjorge Webpage: www.jorgegoncalves.com Em 28-01-2011 23:41, dark escreveu: Just to add my point. You can try out a demo of hal by going to www.dolphin.co.uk Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Pitermach piterm...@gmail.com To: Dean Masters dwmast...@earthlink.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? and then there's system access, which is also free which you can run by going to www.satogo.com - Original Message - From: Dean Masters dwmast...@earthlink.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? You can try demos of JAWS by Freedom Scientific and windoweyes by GWMicro. And there is the free NVDA screen reader. Dean - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? | Hi folks, | | My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to | death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the | archives. | | At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I | couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I | realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! | I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a | number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. | | But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without | knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do | Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is | built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself | recommends users buy a third-party program instead. | | So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose | of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program | should it be? | | Thanks! | David | | --- | Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org | If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. | You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at | http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. | All messages are archived and can be searched and read at | http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. | If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, | please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via
Re: [Audyssey] dungeons and empires 2 released... noa ccessibility
Hi, I contacted him, because HE sent me a mail introducing the new game. He said the accessibility mode isnt in yet. Not sure if he is working on it though. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dungeons and empires 2 released... noa ccessibility Last I heard, niels was working on access features in empires and dungeons and I've been in discussion with him about ways to make a screen reader accessible map for the game. It's entirely possible though, that this mode isn't ready yet and won't be out for another version or two, pluss will take some beta testing to get right. As Anyone who remembers the initial releases of smugglers 4 will know, it'll work out in the end. i would however urge people to write supportive comments on niels' blog and express interest in a compatibility mode for the game, sinse that gives him far more motivation to work on it. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Pitermach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: [Audyssey] dungeons and empires 2 released... noa ccessibility Hi all, matheus, who's also on this list, just tolled me that DNE2 came out. Now the surprising thing it does not appear accessible. Well the map part. He said he tried clicking on things and it didn't work, and there's no compatibility mode in options. Needless to say, I am quite surprised. Perhaps dark or anyone else that's been in contact with Neil can shed some light on this. - Peter Mahach |piterm...@gmail.com msn: pitermac...@hotmail.com skype (not very often): pitermach twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pitermach webpage: http://pmsworld.weisi4u.de/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon
Hi, Backgamon? Yes---that would be. Although it really does not look like it on the surface it allows for more strategy than one might think. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:35 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon I wish I knew the first thing about that game. Would be a fun project. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Loravara Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:28 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon That's right. I got it from him. I wonder if he has documentation of my purchase. *Ponders* Hey, maybe we could figure a way to play on Skype or Twitter or something. Does that make me even more alien? Grin -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Feir Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 5:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Backgammon Wow! another fan of backgammon. Thought I was as alien and unique a being as Q9. The only accessible version I know of is from Azabat software in the UK. You have to get most of his stuff on cds but you can purchase backgammon separately as a downloadable game. I'm still hoping that Ian Humfreys from Spoonbill Software will eventually create a good free version like he has with Scrabble. Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam www.thedam.org 2011-- Owner of Silver Smiles Join and share the silver lining in your life. Group home page: http://groups.google.com/group/silver-smiles 2010-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Backgammon Hi, Is there a good accessible backgammon game out there? I remember purchasing one a few years back, but there've been a few computers between me and that game, and I don't have it anymore. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
to make things fun in Poland window-eyes seems to be more popular. Heck that was the first sr I got introduced to. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? In the us that is true. here in the Uk and in europe however, hal/supernova is far more used, I in fact never even heard of window eyes myself until 2003, and that from an american chap I met online rather than a native British user. it's all really just swings and roundabouts. Beware the grue! Dark. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
OK, I've created a test game for anyone interested. The game ID is reserve5w. The easiest way to sign up for this game is to send an email to r...@rswgame.com with exactly the following line in the message body (not the subject): join game=reserve5w handle=myname where myname is your in-game name, which can be anything you like (without any spaces). You can also sign up via the web page at https://rswgame.com/en/listAvailable by entering reserve5w in the field at the bottom of the page, and clicking the Sign Up button. The game will begin in 24 hours, with whoever has signed up by that point. I'll walk everyone through the first few turns as we go. David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Hi Hayden, I guess that I am so against option Explicit because to me it is just extra work and extra code and extra space for something that to me is just that. More later to Ken. TGIF and BFN Jim We waste more time by 8:00 in the morning than other companies do all day. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Heli
Hi Damien, May I ask, why do you want to port Heli over to BGT when it is a perfectly good game in the language that the creator wrote it in? TGIF and BFN Jim Program in hieroglyphics, the original GUI. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
Followup: the RSW server will demand a challenge-response email from you when you send it the join command I described in my last message. Simply reply to this email to finalize the command. If the challenge-response gets annoying, you may disable it with the email command: user trust=yes David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] marvel vs. capcom 3 details
Hey thanks for this Clemant! I am definitely gonna get this title when it comes out. Putting a little extra cashola aside as of this paycheck to cover it. I may even preorder this one like I did with SsFIV, have to see if I can do that at gamestop or not, I suspect so. Will definitely be needing your help with this one dude! Laters. Tom -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 10:35 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] marvel vs. capcom 3 details So now that the game is less than a month away from release, I figured I'd post some stuff about how the games works, as a fighting game player and as someone who's been wanting this game for years... gameplay first though. Marvel Vs. capcom 3 is going to be 3 on 3 like marvel vs. capcom 2. For those who don't know, 3 on 3 does not mean six-player action. You choose a team of three characters, and you duke it out with another team of three. You play until one team has been eliminated all the way. The trick is, as you play you can tag characters in and out, so you can strategize who you want to use when. The gameplay is fast, but not quite as fast as MVC 2. However, it still may take some time to get used to the game if you aren't used to that speed. I urge everyone not to make this a turnoff though, as getting used to how fast MVC play can be is not as bad as it seems. The game will feature the usual special moves along with super flashy hyper combos aka super moves that you can perform. The super meter has five bars this time around, and each character will have what are called two level 1 supers and one level 3. These take up one level of your meter and three, respectively. Controls: The controls in marvel vs. capcom 3 are as follows: three attack buttons and a fourth button known as the exchange or e button. This button is used for launching opponents into the air for an air combo as well as being used to tag partners in and out. A list of the buttons follows: A: light attack B: medium attack C: heavy attack E: exchange button. A, B, C and e are how the buttons are going to be listed in faqs and guides. This game has at least 30 characters, with probably more to be revealed. Capcom characters will have the option for english or japanese voice acting, and marvel characters will posess english only. I will list as many of the characters as I remember, and for the capcom characters I will list what series they are originally from. Marvel characters will only have their names, as I'm not as knowledgeable about comics as I would like to be. Capcom lineup: Akuma: Street fighter Chun li: street fighter Ryu: Street Fighter Morigan: Darkstalkers Felicia: darkstalkers Dante: Devil May Cry Trish: Devil May Cry Chris Redfield: Resident Evil Viewtiful Joe: from the viewtiful joe series Albert Wesker: Resident Evil Tron-bon: Megaman Crimson Viper: Street Fighter Zero: Megaman Mike Hagger: Final fight Marvel Lineup: Wolverine Captain America Spider Man] Iron Man Hulk She-hulk DR. Doom Magneto MODOK Dormamu Storm Phoenix / dark phoenix That's all I can think of for now... enjoy the info... and when I get the game on the day of release, expect a recording! Clement. PS: for all those concerned about learning hard inputs for moves, fear not. There is a simple mode for those players who just want to jump right in and play. One button will be assigned to regular attacks, one for special moves and one for hyper combos. This will be opposed to the standard fighting game fare of quarter circle motions, dragon punch motions, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Heli
Hi Jim, Many of us do not have VB6 on our systems. Porting it over to BGT will allow many more people to actually look at the game, and it will probably simplify programming matters. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:16 PM To: Damien Pendleton Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Heli Hi Damien, May I ask, why do you want to port Heli over to BGT when it is a perfectly good game in the language that the creator wrote it in? TGIF and BFN Jim Program in hieroglyphics, the original GUI. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Hi Jim. For me, debugging is usually the part of programming that takes the most time. I don't use visual basic, but I understand why you would rather be safe than sorry, especially considering how easy it is to make a typo. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Could someone please help?
Hi, I know this is not ehe message which used the remote analogy but I thought I needed to say this. The analogy is most definitely flawed. With a remote we can feel all of the buttons. Not to mention many of them are distinguishable. A touch screen is, though...a touch screen. There is no characteristic that separates this control from that one. Now I've had success with Beepbeep, for example, but there are very few controls there. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Duff Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:04 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Could someone please help? Here here tj. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Tj Squires Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:21 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Could someone please help? It doesn't cost money? Darn. I bought it back in the day. Anyway, it's really not that hard with a little memorization. While I totally agree with you that people should push for active accessibility on apps, I also believe we should meet them half way. Meaning we should go the extra mile if an app is like pretty accessible and we can figure it out, (shoot them a note with there acessibility faults yeah), but don't complain about it. If an app is completely crutial to your survival, sure, ralley and send begging letters. As you'll probably either know or find out, some companies like soul trapper will steadfastly refuse, and others will say their looking into it to please us, and others still will make them accessible. I don't agree that we should all spam the developers. A patition maybe. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5789 (20110115) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5790 (20110115) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5790 (20110115) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] RSW strategy game
ok i just signed up On Jan 28, 2011, at 7:07 PM, David Rose wrote: OK, I've created a test game for anyone interested. The game ID is reserve5w. The easiest way to sign up for this game is to send an email to r...@rswgame.com with exactly the following line in the message body (not the subject): join game=reserve5w handle=myname where myname is your in-game name, which can be anything you like (without any spaces). You can also sign up via the web page at https://rswgame.com/en/listAvailable by entering reserve5w in the field at the bottom of the page, and clicking the Sign Up button. The game will begin in 24 hours, with whoever has signed up by that point. I'll walk everyone through the first few turns as we go. David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
Every screen reader user has their preference, or is limited to a particular screen reader due to financial circumstances. For me, JAWS for Windows is my choice because, as far as I know, it is the most flexible. I am fortunate enough to be employed, and can afford it. It is, to me, the best, but is also the most expensive. It suits all of my needs and then some. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 12:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Hi folks, My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the archives. At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself recommends users buy a third-party program instead. So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program should it be? Thanks! David --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] marvel vs. capcom 3 details
No problem. I've been playing the hell out of tatsunoko vs. capcom to get ready... but the games will stil be vastly different. But I do consider myself knowledgeable enough about the game, if I do say so myself. lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software?
I think you'll be satisfied using NVDA. Everything that works with JAWS seems also to work with NVDA. There is also the benefit of mouse tracking; which you don't get with JAWS. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? Just to add my point. You can try out a demo of hal by going to www.dolphin.co.uk Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Pitermach piterm...@gmail.com To: Dean Masters dwmast...@earthlink.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? and then there's system access, which is also free which you can run by going to www.satogo.com - Original Message - From: Dean Masters dwmast...@earthlink.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? You can try demos of JAWS by Freedom Scientific and windoweyes by GWMicro. And there is the free NVDA screen reader. Dean - Original Message - From: David Rose drokaudysseygam...@ddrose.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Windows screen reader software? | Hi folks, | | My apologies if I bring up a question that has already been discussed to | death, but I don't see anything about this in a casual browsing of the | archives. | | At first I thought I didn't have any screen reader software, so I | couldn't test the accessibility of my RSW website directly. But then I | realized that every Mac has VoiceOver built-in, and it's quite nice! | I've been going through my web pages with VoiceOver, and I've found a | number of minor issues that I'll be correcting. | | But I'd hate to fine-tune my pages to VoiceOver's quirks only, without | knowing about similar quirks in other software. In particular, what do | Windows users typically use to browse the web? I see that Narrator is | built-in to Windows, but it's almost unusable. Even Narrator itself | recommends users buy a third-party program instead. | | So, if I were to purchase one such third-party program for the purpose | of testing my website's accessibility under Windows, which program | should it be? | | Thanks! | David | | --- | Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org | If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. | You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at | http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. | All messages are archived and can be searched and read at | http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. | If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, | please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Well Jim, I think you do wonderfully. I'm not a fan of the option explicit myself, but since this is the first 3d audio game I've ever made, much less seen code for, it helped to figure out what I was doing wrong. Also, I learned another valuable lesson: don't load your directx components in the form load sub. If you do, you won't be able to move the listener. By the way, the newest Heli is on its way. Just added wind speed, so if you're going fast you hear it as it passes through the wind. Not so realistic for a toy helicopter, but cool anyway, and if I make a full-on helicopter sim sometime I'll have the code handy. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Hey, I love those tag lines! Could you make the program you created for those available? Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Hey Ken. what's the websight for Dreamtech Interactive? many thanks. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hey, I love those tag lines! Could you make the program you created for those available? Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Ken the Crazy Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download Hi Ken, Ok, I can see how the option explicit might come in handy for making sure that you do not miss name variable names. And I can not say that I have not been frustrated a few times when I have miss typed a variable name a time or a thousand over the years, but I still do not plan to use option explicit in my programming. Kind of wonder which, would have or, has wasted more time. Trying to figure out a missed named variable, or doing all of the declaring all and every single variable in every project over the years. You know I admire all of your games and projects, so this is just a bit of personal preference programming style. Or something like that. TGIF and BFN Jim A choice is always possible, even without any options. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Heli
Hi Jim, Well, there are plenty of good and viable reasons to use BGT rather than Visual Basic. First of all, is compatibility with newer Windows operating systems. Unlike XP none of the Visual Basic 6 runtimes ship with Windows 7 requiring various legacy files to be installed. Even then Visual Basic doesn't use newer APIs like XAudio2, which is the new audio API for Windows 7, and I have it on good authority that BGT will support XAudio2 in a newer release. You can't necessarily say the same for Visual Basic 6 based games using legacy DirectX libs like dxvb8.dll. Second of all, there is the advantage of a c-style syntax. As I have often said most programming languages out there use a c-style syntax and standard. The advantage of using BGT over Visual Basic as it is an easy way to get familiar with c-style languages like C++, Java, C#, Perl, etc. What you learn in BGT will cary over if you want to do programming in another programming language. Visual Basic quite litterally is a road to nowhere. Third of all, there is availability of the software. Visual Basic 6 was released in 1998, and hasn't officially been sold in stores since around 2002 when Visual Basic 7 was released. That means in order to buy it one would have to go to Ebay or somewhere and purchase a copy which isn't worth the price you'll end up paying for it. On the other hand BGT is brand new software, is up to date, and costs as little as $29.00 for a basic version. That's a pretty good deal. Finally, there is development itself. BGT wraps things like Sapi, DirectSound, DirectInput, networking, etc and offers it in one single easy to use package. With Visual Basic you litterally have to write your own wrappers or code it directly into your project to get the same support. For example, to get DirectSound going you have to initialize it in Visual Basic, but BGT automatically handles initialization for you. This makes programming games much simpler in the long run. HTH On 1/28/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Damien, May I ask, why do you want to port Heli over to BGT when it is a perfectly good game in the language that the creator wrote it in? TGIF and BFN Jim Program in hieroglyphics, the original GUI. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New Heli available for download
Hi Jim, It is not extra work or waisted time/energy. It is generally recommended that you declare variables using the proper data type like integer, string, character, boolean, etc as it will improve memory usage and CPU usage. Every time you declare a variable without specifying its data type you force the runtime environment to interpret your code, and as a result you end up waisting your system resources on runtime interpretation of your code. So it really does not pay to be a lazy programmer. Which is exactly what you are when you don't declare and properly initialize variables. Cheers! On 1/28/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Hayden, I guess that I am so against option Explicit because to me it is just extra work and extra code and extra space for something that to me is just that. More later to Ken. TGIF and BFN Jim We waste more time by 8:00 in the morning than other companies do all day. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
