Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

orbital simulator is one of the things I played
its called orbitsim and comes from www.orbitsim.com
At 08:20 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

Actually I'd like to know if there are any accessible space simulators out
there that people have played. Obviously it won't be fully accessible
because I know of no blind friendly games out there that have been developed
but is there anything out there that people with limited vision do play?

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what would be the point to not shooting.
Seriously, shooting or at least some stratogy is needed.
If you mean just fly round in the air doing not that much then get a
sighted person to play orbit sim with you.
Play for 30 minutes, then fall assleap.
Its real boring.
ON the other hand, this is all rather general and one sieded.
At 08:04 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Are there any spaceship sims without shooting any aliens?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Imbar
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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

asteroids was totally boring.
I played the arcade version in inform some years back.
They tried to emulate it and the emulated games bar centiped sucked.
Missile command was totally crappy.
No matter where I went, I always ended up dead.
So either all those games were just crap by default or the blind 
can't play them or the implimentations were crap.
On that note we have a tank sim, a jet sim and with puppy1 a fighter 
gunner sim in ww2 maybe.

and that being arcade based.
At 08:24 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
The old 80's Asteroids game doesn't involve shooting aliens.  You 
shoot asteroids lol.  It sounds like you're looking for more of a 
space themed flight simulator.


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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

We could do the launching part, most of it is automated anyway.
In orbit sim which I played with a friend, you need to close all 
doors, power up all systems, check it all works, load fuel, then push 
the launch key and the computer does all the rest.


In fact in actual launch the crew doesn't have to do much its all 
controled by ground systems at least till you get in orbit and need 
to call out bits to the radil.

Landing on earth, maybe docking and undocking and burns are all we need to do.
And to be honest unless something goes wrong its not that bad.
Space walking after flying the shuttle to the station that could be 
interesting.
there could be challenges, Obviously the game can't continue for 
actual realtime gameplay, but things like staying in the airlock so 
you are aclimitised for  a spaciffic time, the fact you could float 
away, catch something ripp your suit, drop bags, radios, etc.
Get hands jammed in equipment and other things, could be interesting 
to say the least.

I have listened to spacwalks and they deffinately sound quite complex.
NOt to mention living on the station, eating food, moving round and 
doing excercise, sleeping, working with robotics, experiments and other things.

All are chalenging.
At 10:13 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

I for one agree with you Imbar.
Now where oh where is that space shuttle simulator?
I hope someone makes me eat my words on the following.
I don't think that we could do the launching part.
But there ought to be a way via the keyboard and or a USB controller where
we could
Orbit, dock and undock with the International space station, perform the
reentry procedures and land as realistically as possible.
I know that the program that the Astronauts use to practice with is called
PILOT.
I don't remember what it stands for though.
So far for a airplane simulator,
The best around is Three D Velocity.
For the Civilian side of the flying coin.
I'm not going to offer a recommendation.
Ron who knows with his interests, if he were sighted he knows that he'd have
a career in the air and hopefully would have earned his 1,000 hour
certification for either a space shuttle commander (CDR) or a space shuttle
pilot (PLT)/

Ron Kolesar
kolesar16...@roadrunner.com

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> What is wrong with wanting to learn to fly a plane, drive a car or a train
> or fly a spaceship without combat involved?  Blind people cannot do these
> things in real life so the next best thing for me at least are the sims.
>
>
> Ms Imbar Golt
> im...@netvision.net.il
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> From: "shaun everiss" 
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> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?
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>
>> what would be the point to not shooting.
>> Seriously, shooting or at least some stratogy is needed.
>> If you mean just fly round in the air doing not that much then get a
>> sighted person to play orbit sim with you.
>> Play for 30 minutes, then fall assleap.
>> Its real boring.
>> ON the other hand, this is all rather general and one sieded.
>> At 08:04 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Are there any spaceship sims without shooting any aliens?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Imbar
>>>Ms Imbar Golt
>>>im...@netvision.net.il
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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

There is an orbiter sim at www.orbitsim.com
Its a bit visual I am not sure if its free or opensource but 
sertainly loads of stuff has been written for it including 3rd party addons.

So that may be something to concider.
At 10:20 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

Hi Ron,

Why couldn't we do a Shuttle launch? I have a friend who went to Space
Camp one year and she ended up being Shuttle Commander. They even let
her try as Shuttle pilot in the simulator which was cool. I think with
the right accessibility aids flying a space shuttle is no different
than any other aircraft. You just have to make sure to get the angles
right when taking off and landing or you will turn into a fireball.

Anyway, I would love a space shuttle simulator. I've always wanted to
fly one of the shuttles and it shouldn't be that hard to create. Just
need to get the right kind of actors to do for the communications
between the flight crew and NASA. As well as the flight crew and the
International Space Station etc.

Cheers!

On 5/7/11, Ron Kolesar  wrote:
> I for one agree with you Imbar.
> Now where oh where is that space shuttle simulator?
> I hope someone makes me eat my words on the following.
> I don't think that we could do the launching part.
> But there ought to be a way via the keyboard and or a USB controller where
> we could
> Orbit, dock and undock with the International space station, perform the
> reentry procedures and land as realistically as possible.
> I know that the program that the Astronauts use to practice with is called
> PILOT.
> I don't remember what it stands for though.
> So far for a airplane simulator,
> The best around is Three D Velocity.
> For the Civilian side of the flying coin.
> I'm not going to offer a recommendation.
> Ron who knows with his interests, if he were sighted he knows 
that he'd have

> a career in the air and hopefully would have earned his 1,000 hour
> certification for either a space shuttle commander (CDR) or a space shuttle
> pilot (PLT)/
>
> Ron Kolesar
> kolesar16...@roadrunner.com
>

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

well Its a bit beyond our reach.
In the news it costs about 30 million to actually physically fly for a tourist.
For an astro you need to have 4 degrees in maths and other subjects 
and a load of other crap that none of us let alone any normal person 
not dedicated enough would be able to pass.


Even if we did, I am not sure in real life what blind astros could do.
Maybe opperate some of the less graphical systems, write things, etc 
but vary little.


I think right now any real chance of any of us going up in space is 
vertually nonexistant for now anyway.

In fact this applies for any disabled person.
Wheelchair people for instance wouldn't even fit inside things.
Not to mention going to the loo I here this is quite complex to.
And ofcause coming back to earth after your stay in space well 
getting used to gravity is a bit of a challenge.

At 10:30 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

I've always wanted to go up into space actually. It's always been my dream
thus my love for space games. Right from elite onwards really. I think
that's 1 area where the accessible games market is seriously lacking. We
have an excellent game like loan wolf, so why not take that further and
develop a fully fledged sim.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

Hi Ron,

Why couldn't we do a Shuttle launch? I have a friend who went to Space
Camp one year and she ended up being Shuttle Commander. They even let
her try as Shuttle pilot in the simulator which was cool. I think with
the right accessibility aids flying a space shuttle is no different
than any other aircraft. You just have to make sure to get the angles
right when taking off and landing or you will turn into a fireball.

Anyway, I would love a space shuttle simulator. I've always wanted to
fly one of the shuttles and it shouldn't be that hard to create. Just
need to get the right kind of actors to do for the communications
between the flight crew and NASA. As well as the flight crew and the
International Space Station etc.

Cheers!

On 5/7/11, Ron Kolesar  wrote:
> I for one agree with you Imbar.
> Now where oh where is that space shuttle simulator?
> I hope someone makes me eat my words on the following.
> I don't think that we could do the launching part.
> But there ought to be a way via the keyboard and or a USB controller where
> we could
> Orbit, dock and undock with the International space station, perform the
> reentry procedures and land as realistically as possible.
> I know that the program that the Astronauts use to practice with is called
> PILOT.
> I don't remember what it stands for though.
> So far for a airplane simulator,
> The best around is Three D Velocity.
> For the Civilian side of the flying coin.
> I'm not going to offer a recommendation.
> Ron who knows with his interests, if he were sighted he knows that he'd
have
> a career in the air and hopefully would have earned his 1,000 hour
> certification for either a space shuttle commander (CDR) or a space
shuttle
> pilot (PLT)/
>
> Ron Kolesar
> kolesar16...@roadrunner.com
>

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Re: [Audyssey] Car sim?

[shaun everiss]

there is a crappy bad driving simulater for bgt on blastbay forum somewhere.
You can use it but its bad.
Though we have plenty of good racing games for the blind.
At 10:51 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

Hi,

How about learning to drive a simple car, or jeep?

Imbar
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[Audyssey] God Wars And Alter Aeon

[Harmony Neil]

I've been playing alter aeon since November last year and I've just started
playing god wars 2. If anyone wants to add me to Alter Aeon friends lists,
my 2 characters are Harmony and Harmonylouise. If anyone wants to add me to
friends lists on God Wars, my character name is Harmony. I've only had my
god wars 2 character since last night.

Just thought people might like to know that useless piece of information.

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

I aggree.
I guess you could make a simple game that you hit keys to do sertain 
things but thats probably it.

With what we know now thats probably as far as we will be able to go now.
At 11:10 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

Hi Darren,

Well, I don't want to sound negative, but my guess it is the technical
skills required to create a simulator that the ag developers lack.
Unlike a game a realistic flight simulator, space simulator, whatever
requires a pretty decent amount of physics and a whole lot of math to
make absolutely realistic. Something like MS Flight Simulator is very
realistic, is good enough to train pilots on, because it has a very
realistic physics engine that behaves much like the actual aircraft
does in real life. Its difficult for an amateur developer to do if
they don't have the technical background for it. Even I would have
difficulty of creating a completely realistic flight simulator as
physics and math weren't my best subjects in college. I got passing
grades, but nothing to write home about.

On 5/7/11, darren harris  wrote:
> I've always wanted to go up into space actually. It's always been my dream
> thus my love for space games. Right from elite onwards really. I think
> that's 1 area where the accessible games market is seriously lacking. We
> have an excellent game like loan wolf, so why not take that further and
> develop a fully fledged sim.

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

well this reminds me of the nightjar but the apolo 13 mission could 
be interesting.

Same concept as the night jar, or slightly worse outcome.
Something like having an explosion send the ship into deep space for 
starters then the rest of actual game.
Ofcause with all the failing systems, and actually trying to get into 
earth, you could either be trying to get back, or evolve the plot, 
this could involve aliens both good and bad, etc.

ANd other things.
Eventually getting a better ship  than you got, then fixing things 
and going back.
You could have multipul endings maybe like a choose your own 
adventure story but it gets complex anyway.

At 11:18 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

Hi Ron,

Oh, I could probably do it as well, at least a fair shuttle simulator,
but like Munawar I've got so much going on now I don't have the time.
Something else I'd love to see in accessible format is an Apaulo
simulator. Not only taking off, but flying the Apaulo to the moon and
back. That would rock.

On 5/7/11, Ron Kolesar  wrote:
> Thank you Tom for making me eat my statement. SMILES.
> So far the only people that I know who might be able to do it for us would
> be Munawar with his people atBPC Programs.
> But I know he has his hands full with school and other responsibilities.
> But with his business and normal home responsibilities.
> After my vet gets payed on Monday, I'll be placing a order for a new
> wireless headset for both the ears and for those games that have
> communication features.
> I'm getting tangled up in all of the cables.
> Both for the USB headset that I have and with the new f510.
> Will let everyone know how it works out when it gets here for those looking
> for a way to untangle themselves some what from all of those 
cables as well.

> Ron who said why can't we drive and fly? SMILES.
>
> Ron Kolesar
> kolesar16...@roadrunner.com

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

I have never been to space camp.
I know you americans do it but nothing exists here.
Is there any recordings of missions etc.
I'd be interested.
I guess that could be an idea for a sim.

At 11:20 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
Space camp was fun times... and the missions that take hours are the 
best parts. I'll never forget the time I left a fuel valve open... 
and me, the commander! I felt like an idiot. lol. Lucky I fixed it 
before we began landing.


At 03:20 PM 07/05/2011, you wrote:

Hi Ron,

Why couldn't we do a Shuttle launch? I have a friend who went to Space
Camp one year and she ended up being Shuttle Commander. They even let
her try as Shuttle pilot in the simulator which was cool. I think with
the right accessibility aids flying a space shuttle is no different
than any other aircraft. You just have to make sure to get the angles
right when taking off and landing or you will turn into a fireball.

Anyway, I would love a space shuttle simulator. I've always wanted to
fly one of the shuttles and it shouldn't be that hard to create. Just
need to get the right kind of actors to do for the communications
between the flight crew and NASA. As well as the flight crew and the
International Space Station etc.

Cheers!

On 5/7/11, Ron Kolesar  wrote:
> I for one agree with you Imbar.
> Now where oh where is that space shuttle simulator?
> I hope someone makes me eat my words on the following.
> I don't think that we could do the launching part.
> But there ought to be a way via the keyboard and or a USB controller where
> we could
> Orbit, dock and undock with the International space station, perform the
> reentry procedures and land as realistically as possible.
> I know that the program that the Astronauts use to practice with is called
> PILOT.
> I don't remember what it stands for though.
> So far for a airplane simulator,
> The best around is Three D Velocity.
> For the Civilian side of the flying coin.
> I'm not going to offer a recommendation.
> Ron who knows with his interests, if he were sighted he knows 
that he'd have

> a career in the air and hopefully would have earned his 1,000 hour
> certification for either a space shuttle commander (CDR) or a 
space shuttle

> pilot (PLT)/
>
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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

ron and all.
For those with flight sim you can actually get planes.
I know startrek ships like delta flier are emulated maybe a shuttle.
However its only part of fs.
Its probably not the same.
At 11:24 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

Imbar, you are correct on one point in your letter.
For themost part in a launch, the is it four or five, I think it's five
computer do have control of the shuttle for the most part.
Also, for reentry the pc's control most of the landing as well.
Ron who wants to fly.
Ron Kolesar
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> With the right programming I think we could launch too.  Its no different
> then taking off in a plane, only more complex maybe but the principle is
> the same and the launch itself is aided by computers in real life too.
>
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>
>>I for one agree with you Imbar.
>> Now where oh where is that space shuttle simulator?
>> I hope someone makes me eat my words on the following.
>> I don't think that we could do the launching part.
>> But there ought to be a way via the keyboard and or a USB controller
>> where we could
>> Orbit, dock and undock with the International space station, perform the
>> reentry procedures and land as realistically as possible.
>> I know that the program that the Astronauts use to practice with is
>> called
>> PILOT.
>> I don't remember what it stands for though.
>> So far for a airplane simulator,
>> The best around is Three D Velocity.
>> For the Civilian side of the flying coin.
>> I'm not going to offer a recommendation.
>> Ron who knows with his interests, if he were sighted he knows that he'd
>> have a career in the air and hopefully would have earned his 1,000 hour
>> certification for either a space shuttle commander (CDR) or a space
>> shuttle pilot (PLT)/
>>
>> Ron Kolesar
>> kolesar16...@roadrunner.com
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>> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:23 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?
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>>> What is wrong with wanting to learn to fly a plane, drive a car or a
>>> train or fly a spaceship without combat involved?  Blind people cannot
>>> do these things in real life so the next best thing for me at least are
>>> the sims.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ms Imbar Golt
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>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "shaun everiss" 
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 11:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?
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>>>
 what would be the point to not shooting.
 Seriously, shooting or at least some stratogy is needed.
 If you mean just fly round in the air doing not that much then get a
 sighted person to play orbit sim with you.
 Play for 30 minutes, then fall assleap.
 Its real boring.
 ON the other hand, this is all rather general and one sieded.
 At 08:04 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Are there any spaceship sims without shooting any aliens?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Imbar
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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[Alfredo_The_Music_maker]

Well, I wonder when NASA will make blind Castro flying more accessible, 
all talking instruments, like when you fly, I heard there are talking GPS.


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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[Alfredo_The_Music_maker]

What is it for, and is it accessible with NVDA?

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[Alfredo_The_Music_maker]

I actually want to see a launch in progress like on a video, but that 
will get off topic if I talk about the launching process.


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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

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Orbit Simulator, and like I said, how easy is it to use.

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[shaun everiss]

hmmm
But what does that say about his later envolvement.
He became something else.
In fact before vador struck him he had already gone, so was he able 
to go to whatever when he wanted anyway and if vador killed him could 
actually stay there or just go and have no reason to return.
Depending on what you acutally listen to, the actual stories or npr, 
depending on what you here there are 2 versions.

At 11:55 a.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

Hi,

Maybe. Its more likely that Obi-Wan was just to old to fight as
effectively as he did in Revenge of the Sith. Remember 19 years had
passed between Revenge of the Sith and Star Wars A New Hope. Obi-Wan
looked to be in his 60's or 70's by the time he met Vader again, and
he was probably physically weaker and slower than Vader, or he chose
to let himself get killed for reason x. Plus by the time A New Hope
had come along Anakin had fully become Darth Vader and probably had
learned a lot more about the dark side of the force than he did 19
years previously.

If you ask me the reason Luke Skywalker managed to fight and
eventually defeat Vader had nothing to do with skills or powers, but
Vader's emotional weakness. Say what you will about Darth Vader he
had really and truly loved Padme. That made him unable to kill his
only son, and his daughter as well. That emotional bond, although
distant, was enough to make him hold back and not fight as effectively
as he perhaps could have.

As it turns out in Return of the Jedi when Palpatine is trying to kill
Luke it was Darth Vader who grabs Palpatine by the throat and tosses
him into the reactor core. Apparently Vader's love for his son was
greater than the dark side and any loyalty he had to Palpatine.

It is apparent as early as Empire Strikes Back that Anakin, Darth
Vader, secretly hated Palpatine. In Revenge of the Sith, of course, we
find out why. Palpatine told Anakin if he turned to the dark side that
he'd insure Padme didn't die, but of course she does die and Anakin
goes into emotional melt down. Finding out that he had two children
who were alive and well went a long way to bring Anakin back from the
dark side and why he turned on Palpatine and threw him head long into
the Deathstar's reactor core.

Cheers!


On 5/7/11, Hayden Presley  wrote:
> Hi,
> Yeah, I know. Funny how he managed to do it once but couldn't twice. I can
> only assume he had some kind of tutalidge from Palpatine.
>
> Best Regards,
> Hayden

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[shaun everiss]

I heard that grevis depending on what starwars fan production you 
here was a droid.
In fact another droid came after him in that production that vador 
later killed.

At 12:03 p.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

Hi Clement,

Right. Grevous's reflexes were better than average, but nowhere near a
Jedi's. In one of the Star Wars books I remember Count Dooku actually
commenting as much. Dooku told Grevous that if he ever had the
misfortune of fighting Mace Windu or even Yoda he wouldn't last a
minute. Of course, Obi-Wan ended up fighting him at the Battle of
Megeto and cyborg arms and machine reflexes wasn't enough to take on a
fully skilled Jedi Master, and Grevous ended up at the end of
Obi-Wan's light saber.

On 5/7/11, Clement Chou  wrote:
> I'm not so sure it was reflexes that he had. It was simply that he
> moved so fast that most Jedi had to play defensive until they found a
> whole... that, and the amount of jedi he killed gave him a catelogue
> of styles to choose from, so he knew how Jedi fought and defended
> various moves. But he was nowhere as fast as a jedi... whose reflexes
> almost border on anticipation rather than reacting to a situation.

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

the issue I have with mars was you spun a wheel like a wheel of 
fortune and waited for the outcome.

At 12:54 p.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
Hey, it would be cool if someone could remake desination mars.  With 
all the great sounds and music and other audio files it would be a 
pretty great remake.
I think even if you just change the name and a couple of things were 
you could not get in trouble with the original creater of the game 
then that would be nice.


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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

not really.
apolo 13 had a faulty tank coil not scene by the crew.
The explosion when that failed caused a large chunk of the ships destruction.
At 01:06 p.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

Wow.  You could have been another Apollo 13!  (evil grin)

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I actually wanted to try it, just to see what the experience was 
like... and because I realized I couldn't get in trouble if I was 
dead. grins. No... actually, I'd been refuelling the shuttle at the 
ISS and forgot to close it when we left. Checklists don't involve 
the fuel valves, so neither my pilot nor I received it... until I 
checked for caution and warning signs on the onboard computer and 
found out. Then it took me about another hour to find where that 
particular switch was... even on a shuttle knockup with braille 
labelling the switches, there's almost no surface aside from the 
seats and floors that are not covered with dials, switches, knobs, 
buttons, levers, you name it.


At 04:29 PM 07/05/2011, you wrote:

Hi,

Oops! Yeah, leaving a fuel valve open could have been  very bad for
your health. How much did you want to wind up a fireball on reentry?

On 5/7/11, Clement Chou  wrote:
> Space camp was fun times... and the missions that take hours are the
> best parts. I'll never forget the time I left a fuel valve open...
> and me, the commander! I felt like an idiot. lol. Lucky I fixed it
> before we began landing.

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Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

well its interesting you should say that.
I wander what will happen in say another 30-60 years or so when all 
those that knew are dead and the shuttle is another video film.

we will be asking the same question.
At 01:29 p.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
Uh, Houston?  We have a problem up here!  I don't remember them 
saying that, but I do remember the coverage.  Oddly enough, I was 
visiting a friend who had a young son who was really interested in 
space movies.  I took a copy of Apollo 13 with descriptive narration 
to show them what those movies are like.  During the movie, we were 
talking about what was going on in our country at the time of Apollo 
13, remembering the music and stuff.  The kid suddenly said, 
"Wow!  You guys are talking as if this really happened."  I said, 
"It did!  It's not just a movie.  It is based on fact.  Apollo 13 
actually happened."  It blew him away, and it blew me away that he 
didn't know that.


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Or one based on the Apollo 13 mission. So the idea would be to try 
to manage your extremely limited resources in such a way as to be 
able to return home safely.

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Subject: [Audyssey] Apollo - Re: Space sims?


An Apollo mission simulation would really be awesome, especially 
if it had realistic sound effects with the right timing.  I would 
like to have a set of such games that take you from training to 
returning from the moon, including lunar exploration when both 
walking and operation of a LEM. And, of course, part of it would 
be leaving the Apollo spacecraft in the lunar lander and returning 
to and docking with it.


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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?



Hi Ron,

Oh, I could probably do it as well, at least a fair shuttle simulator,
but like Munawar I've got so much going on now I don't have the time.
Something else I'd love to see in accessible format is an Apaulo
simulator. Not only taking off, but flying the Apaulo to the moon and
back. That would rock.

On 5/7/11, Ron Kolesar  wrote:

Thank you Tom for making me eat my statement. SMILES.
So far the only people that I know who might be able to do it for us would
be Munawar with his people atBPC Programs.
But I know he has his hands full with school and other responsibilities.
But with his business and normal home responsibilities.
After my vet gets payed on Monday, I'll be placing a order for a new
wireless headset for both the ears and for those games that have
communication features.
I'm getting tangled up in all of the cables.
Both for the USB headset that I have and with the new f510.
Will let everyone know how it works out when it gets here for 
those looking
for a way to untangle themselves some what from all of those 
cables as well.

Ron who said why can't we drive and fly? SMILES.

Ron Kolesar
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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[shaun everiss]

well there is copywrite.

New laws coming in mean that any copywrited work is not able to be 
downloaded by me not sure how far it all spreads but it means that if 
its copywrited, just downloading gets you banned from the net and 
fined loads of cash.

No net for like ever probably.
In that environment its going to be almost impossible to do anything 
which is not legal or sold by the major companies.
Sooner or later we will have government based controls on the net and 
everything else.
Then the net will die and we can all go back to using disks and 
probably dos again.

At 01:36 p.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

How about a series of star wars games?

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Hi Shane,

Like I said nothing is definite. Right now I am working my way through
the Knights of the Old Republic series and there is some great stuff
in there as well. I'm working my way through Star Wars: Knights of the
Old Republic: Deceived and it is a great read. A game based on it
would be pretty cool. The main character, a female Jedi apprentice, is
perfect for a game heroine in my book. The Sith lord in the series
makes Darth Vader, Darth Cidious, etc look like wimps. Lol!

On 5/7/11, Shane Lowe  wrote:

Well. If this game is created, it will.
On my part anyway. I love that idea!


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Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

well on that note I guess a game could be done on a what if case, 
there was reported on an apolo mission that a ufo or something was 
scene outside.

Nothing happened but what if it did.
What if it was hostile, or what if well there are loads of game 
posabilities here.

At 02:01 p.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
Actually the we have a problem line was real, though admittedly Ron 
Howard did change it a little. What Lovell actually said was 
Houston, we've had a problem. ROn Howard of course changed it to We 
have a problem since the use of Had would seem to indicate that 
though there was a problem onboard ship it had already been taken 
care of, when in fact the trouble was only just beginning.

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Uh, Houston?  We have a problem up here!  I don't remember them 
saying that, but I do remember the coverage.  Oddly enough, I was 
visiting a friend who had a young son who was really interested in 
space movies.  I took a copy of Apollo 13 with descriptive 
narration to show them what those movies are like.  During the 
movie, we were talking about what was going on in our country at 
the time of Apollo 13, remembering the music and stuff.  The kid 
suddenly said, "Wow!  You guys are talking as if this really 
happened."  I said, "It did!  It's not just a movie.  It is based 
on fact.  Apollo 13 actually happened."  It blew him away, and it 
blew me away that he didn't know that.


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Or one based on the Apollo 13 mission. So the idea would be to try 
to manage your extremely limited resources in such a way as to be 
able to return home safely.

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An Apollo mission simulation would really be awesome, especially 
if it had realistic sound effects with the right timing.  I would 
like to have a set of such games that take you from training to 
returning from the moon, including lunar exploration when both 
walking and operation of a LEM. And, of course, part of it would 
be leaving the Apollo spacecraft in the lunar lander and 
returning to and docking with it.


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Hi Ron,

Oh, I could probably do it as well, at least a fair shuttle simulator,
but like Munawar I've got so much going on now I don't have the time.
Something else I'd love to see in accessible format is an Apaulo
simulator. Not only taking off, but flying the Apaulo to the moon and
back. That would rock.

On 5/7/11, Ron Kolesar  wrote:

Thank you Tom for making me eat my statement. SMILES.
So far the only people that I know who might be able to do it 
for us would

be Munawar with his people atBPC Programs.
But I know he has his hands full with school and other responsibilities.
But with his business and normal home responsibilities.
After my vet gets payed on Monday, I'll be placing a order for a new
wireless headset for both the ears and for those games that have
communication features.
I'm getting tangled up in all of the cables.
Both for the USB headset that I have and with the new f510.
Will let everyone know how it works out when it gets here for 
those looking
for a way to untangle themselves some what from all of those 
cables as well.

Ron who said why can't we drive and fly? SMILES.

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[shaun everiss]

well in the blue harvist radio drama, done by pendantaudio he was 
rated as being quite old.
His race all died when, well a new syth lord came out or the emperor 
came back or something like that.

At 03:35 p.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
Exactly what I'm thinking. If yoda lived for 1000 years it's 
probably because of his race, not because of any force-aided thing. 
And your estimation of Obi-Wan's age and and the gap between him and 
Anakin is one I agree with.


At 08:30 PM 07/05/2011, you wrote:
Not that it's been explored much as far as I know but I sort of got 
the impression that the centuuries-long life span was a 
characteristic of whatever Yoda's race was. After all at the time 
of his death I don't think Anakin Skywalker was much over fifty, in 
his sixties at most I'd guess. He was nineteen or thereabouts at 
the time of Attack of the Clones and if I'm not mistaken Revenge of 
the Sith took place three years later. And I don't think it was 
much over twenty-five years from Revenge of the Sith to Return of 
the Jedi. Obi-Wan might have been in his seventies or eighties 
since he would have been at least ten years older than Anakin. But 
no, I've never heard anything that suggested that human Jedi lived 
much longer than ordinary folks.

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

well youtube is where you can see launches.
nasa multimedia has those to.
At 08:35 p.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
I actually want to see a launch in progress like on a video, but 
that will get off topic if I talk about the launching process.


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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[shaun everiss]

hmmm well I have not touched it for ages.
It has some keyboard but also mouse control but it was quite  visual.
There are soundpacks and such though.
At 08:35 p.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:

Orbit Simulator, and like I said, how easy is it to use.

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[Alfredo_The_Music_maker]

Mars as in the planet or Mars as in a game program name.

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[Jim Kitchen]

Hi Imbar,

Yeah even though landing the shuttle is similar to landing a glider plane the 
launch is nothing like taking off in a plane.  You know in an airplane you 
crank up the engines, release the brakes and roll down the runway building up 
speed until you get to the correct speed to pull up and lift off of the ground. 
 You then ascend into the sky at what about a 30 degree angle.  Now the shuttle 
on the launch pad is standing vertically on it's tail attached to the huge 
external fuel tank.  So you are sitting on your back looking up into the sky.  
5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and all five main engines fire up burning hydrogen and liquid 
oxygen.  At the same time the two solid rocket boosters ignite.  All hell 
brakes loose and you ascend almost vertically straight up into the sky at 
thousands of miles an hour.  But yeah as a shuttle sim it could be done as 
easily as an airplane sim.

BTW I do not think that I would so much enjoy weightlessness with no visual 
reference points, no gravity for reference etc.

BFN

Jim

I remember when Saturns were rockets, not cars.

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Re: [Audyssey] Car sim?

[Jim Kitchen]

Hi Imbar,


From my web site;

wincart2.exe 10.2m bytes October 2009
I wrote Mach 1 tts specifically for my Logitech MOMO Racing steering wheel 
joystick.  It should work ok with other game controllers as well.  However some 
of the tracks may be very difficult if not impossible to drive via the keyboard.
In version 2 I have added, 6 car engine sounds to choose from, 3 wall sounds to 
choose from, fuel consumption, pit roads, speech options and other game options 
etc.
Note* you will need to disable your screen reader to play this game, unless you 
are using a joystick.

BTW The Geneva track is probably the easiest.  Then maybe the Maple Leaf 
Tri-Oval.

I hope that you might give it a try.

BFN

Jim

My steering wheel is a Logitech MOMO Racing.

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[Alfredo_The_Music_maker]

Well Anshan launch is similar to that, except you can actually build a 
same type of fuel but we have to be really smart for that. I once new 
someone who made a small rocket and launched a message into space, but 
that is for another list. What I think is that they have several buttons 
and keys to press down on the ground and the main one is like a pedal 
you press with your foot, I think that builds the pressure required for 
it to create the force that will push the ship up, then when they say 
launch sin process, the pedal that is pressed causes the engines to let 
go of the pressure and send up the ship so fast that if anything was in 
its way like a plane it would smash it to stoma  and everyone on board 
since it is going extremely fast.


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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[michael barnes]

Hey, That is why I was saying someone could change some of the stuff in 
the game so that they couldn't get in any trouble remaking the game.

They could change the name and take away a few things and add a few things.

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi,

Also I recall even though the actual launch is vertical I believe once
the shuttle reaches a certain altitude they have to change angles etc
to take the curvager of the earth into consideration. Plus drop the
srbs into the ocean once they are spent etc.

On 5/8/11, Jim Kitchen  wrote:
> Hi Imbar,
>
> Yeah even though landing the shuttle is similar to landing a glider plane
> the launch is nothing like taking off in a plane.  You know in an airplane
> you crank up the engines, release the brakes and roll down the runway
> building up speed until you get to the correct speed to pull up and lift off
> of the ground.  You then ascend into the sky at what about a 30 degree
> angle.  Now the shuttle on the launch pad is standing vertically on it's
> tail attached to the huge external fuel tank.  So you are sitting on your
> back looking up into the sky.  5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and all five main engines fire
> up burning hydrogen and liquid oxygen.  At the same time the two solid
> rocket boosters ignite.  All hell brakes loose and you ascend almost
> vertically straight up into the sky at thousands of miles an hour.  But yeah
> as a shuttle sim it could be done as easily as an airplane sim.
>
> BTW I do not think that I would so much enjoy weightlessness with no visual
> reference points, no gravity for reference etc.
>
> BFN
>
>  Jim
>
> I remember when Saturns were rockets, not cars.
>
> j...@kitchensinc.net
> http://www.kitchensinc.net
> (440) 286-6920
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Re: [Audyssey] Car sim?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Imbar,

Well, you could try Jim Kitchens Mach1 TTS. That's about as close as
you will get to a car sim right now. USA Raceway, the racing game I'm
working on, is far from complete at this point. You could also try
Topspeed 3 by Playing in the Dark. That is if you are into racing
games. Oh, and while I'm thinking of it there is a game on
Audiogames.net called Drive. That might be something you are looking
for.

Cheers!


On 5/7/11, Imbar Golt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How about learning to drive a simple car, or jeep?
>
> Imbar
> Ms Imbar Golt
> im...@netvision.net.il

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Bryan,

No, Yoda was never human. I can't remember the actual planet is race
of aliens came from, but he is and was always an alien. Never human.
Whoever said something different doesn't know their butt from a hole
in the ground when it comes to Star Wars. Yoda's origins was explained
in the books, but I can't remember off the top of my head witch ones.

As for Star Wars shapeshifting there is certainly a race that can
shapeshift. I think they are called the Clawdikes or something like
that. Not sure of the correct spelling. At any rate the bounty hunter
Zam, seen in Attack of the Clones, was a shapeshifter. Don't you
remember that?

Cheers!

On 5/7/11, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> I've even heard speculation that Yoda was human at one time, but then you'd
> have to explain how he turned into whatever he was. If I'm not mistaken
> shapeshifting isn't an ability any race in the Star Wars universe realy
> possesses.
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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Bryan Peterson]

It's been a while since I've watched those movies. And I never did set much 
stock by the Yoda was human business.

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Hi Bryan,

No, Yoda was never human. I can't remember the actual planet is race
of aliens came from, but he is and was always an alien. Never human.
Whoever said something different doesn't know their butt from a hole
in the ground when it comes to Star Wars. Yoda's origins was explained
in the books, but I can't remember off the top of my head witch ones.

As for Star Wars shapeshifting there is certainly a race that can
shapeshift. I think they are called the Clawdikes or something like
that. Not sure of the correct spelling. At any rate the bounty hunter
Zam, seen in Attack of the Clones, was a shapeshifter. Don't you
remember that?

Cheers!

On 5/7/11, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
I've even heard speculation that Yoda was human at one time, but then 
you'd

have to explain how he turned into whatever he was. If I'm not mistaken
shapeshifting isn't an ability any race in the Star Wars universe realy
possesses.
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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Shaun,

No, not true. Grevous was a cyborg not a droid. A droid is a 100%
robot like C-3PO. A cyborg is part organic part machine. Come to think
of it Darth Vader himself is a cyborg as one of his arms both legs,
etc are mechanical since Obi-Wan chopped them off in Revenge of the
Sith and left him for dead in a lava pit.

On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:
> I heard that grevis depending on what starwars fan production you
> here was a droid.
> In fact another droid came after him in that production that vador
> later killed.

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Bryan Peterson]

Actually didn't he also chop off Vader's other arm? I know Dooku cut off the 
first one in Attack of the CLones but for some reason I always thought that 
Obi-Wan chopped off the other one and yes, both legs during that duel on 
Mostafar.

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Hi Shaun,

No, not true. Grevous was a cyborg not a droid. A droid is a 100%
robot like C-3PO. A cyborg is part organic part machine. Come to think
of it Darth Vader himself is a cyborg as one of his arms both legs,
etc are mechanical since Obi-Wan chopped them off in Revenge of the
Sith and left him for dead in a lava pit.

On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:

I heard that grevis depending on what starwars fan production you
here was a droid.
In fact another droid came after him in that production that vador
later killed.


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Re: [Audyssey] Car sim?

[Imbar Golt]

Cheers, Thomas.


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Hi Imbar,

Well, you could try Jim Kitchens Mach1 TTS. That's about as close as
you will get to a car sim right now. USA Raceway, the racing game I'm
working on, is far from complete at this point. You could also try
Topspeed 3 by Playing in the Dark. That is if you are into racing
games. Oh, and while I'm thinking of it there is a game on
Audiogames.net called Drive. That might be something you are looking
for.

Cheers!


On 5/7/11, Imbar Golt  wrote:

Hi,

How about learning to drive a simple car, or jeep?

Imbar
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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[darren harris]

Hi tom, 

Yeah I can see how that would be an issue.

I've played games like frontier elite 2 in the passed, it simulates space
very well. I've also played games like x beyond the frontier, whereby the
normal physics of space don't apply. Meaning if you want to stop you can and
you don't need to reverse thrust to do it. 

I think the 1 thing that attracts me with space games is the sheer vastness
of them. 

I don't care so much if the physics of space is right or not so much, but I
love the game to be directly affected by my interaction with it's
environment. For example, having a direct affect on the economy by trading
or manufacturing. 

Am not 1 that likes or favours structured games. Whereby for example if you
get beyond a specific level you have to start doing other things. it's ok
for those things to become available, but equally it should be ok for you to
not do those things should you choose to. I like freedom of play. Whereby
you can effectively choose your own gaming experience within a particular
environment. 

Don't get me wrong, if you choose to build a space station, then obviously
that has a process you need to follow in order to build it successfully. But
the point is I chose to build it. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Thomas Ward]

Hi,

Well, we do know that the spirit of the person who dies in the Star
Wars universe is able to return and communicate and help the living.
Yoda says in Revenge of the Sith to Obi-Wan this is possible through
the Living Force. Which Qui-Gon Gin was an expert at, and is the first
person we know of to do it. At least in the more modern era anyway.
However, this ability to appear and to speak to the living seems to be
fairly specific to certain people.

For instance, when Obi-Wan dies he only speaks to Luke and Yoda. I
don't know if that is because the Force is required to see and talk to
him, but he never speaks to Leia who also has the Force. However,
Obi-Wan actively helps Luke become a Jedi and councils him in his
early years as a Jedi Knight.

In the Star Wars Legacy series after Jason kills Mara she returns as a
Force spirit. She speaks to Luke and Ben Skywalker, but doesn't seem
to speak or communicate with anyone else. Not even Jaina who she had
taught. However, in the FOTJ series she does speak to Janan Korr
letting him know of a plot to clone Force users so perhaps they aren't
limited to certain people. Interesting enough we do get something of
an answer about life after death in the Star Wars FOTJ series.

In FOTJ Ben and Luke enter a place called the Lake of Apparitions
where Mara's spirit tells them that death is a time of reflection and
a place to lookback on the things one has done both good and bad.
Anakin Solo's spirit is there as well so it seems to be a place where
the spirits of the Jedi go after dying. Although, the book doesn't
mention it perhaps Yoda, Obi-Wan, and all the other Jedis is there
too.

Cheers!


On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:
> hmmm
> But what does that say about his later envolvement.
> He became something else.
> In fact before vador struck him he had already gone, so was he able
> to go to whatever when he wanted anyway and if vador killed him could
> actually stay there or just go and have no reason to return.
> Depending on what you acutally listen to, the actual stories or npr,
> depending on what you here there are 2 versions.

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Bryan,

No. Obi-Wan cut off the bionic arm, the same arm Dooku cut off, in
order to try and disable Anakin as that was the arm holding his light
saber. Remember Obi-Wan, like all good Jedi, tried to turn Anakin
first before going for the kill. In fact I have the Final Battle
Anakin Skywalker action figure and the right arm is the one you can
chop off as well as his legs. That's a bit graphic for a kids toy, but
quite accurate in terms of the movie.

Cheers!


On 5/8/11, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> Actually didn't he also chop off Vader's other arm? I know Dooku cut off the
> first one in Attack of the CLones but for some reason I always thought that
> Obi-Wan chopped off the other one and yes, both legs during that duel on
> Mostafar.
> We are the Knights who say...Ni!

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[Ron Kolesar]

Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I'm not a expert on this program by no means. SMILES.
I will help when and where I can though.
FSX can be a tricky program to manage let's just say that.
I would go into further details on that statement privately though.
But at this time, FSX and the third part program It's Your Plane from Canada 
is making FSX the only civilian flight simulator about 90 percent blind 
friendly. I do like what the company FS Captain is doing with their program 
but I don't think we could make it blind friendly though.
Hope this helps.
Ron who if were sighted now knows that he'd have had a career in the air and 
just might have earned his 1,000 hours certification for a space shuttle CDR 
and or PLT license.
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> Well there is the Microsoft SFX flight seem you can check out. Many have 
> made it accessible using a variety of programs. Ron Co loser is the expert 
> along those lines.
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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[Imbar Golt]

I know its almost the same so why not convert a flight sym into a spaceship 
sym, adding the right mathematical and physical dimensions, measurements and 
vectors.


Cheers,

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To: "Imbar Golt" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?



Hi Imbar,

Yeah even though landing the shuttle is similar to landing a glider plane 
the launch is nothing like taking off in a plane.  You know in an airplane 
you crank up the engines, release the brakes and roll down the runway 
building up speed until you get to the correct speed to pull up and lift 
off of the ground.  You then ascend into the sky at what about a 30 degree 
angle.  Now the shuttle on the launch pad is standing vertically on it's 
tail attached to the huge external fuel tank.  So you are sitting on your 
back looking up into the sky.  5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and all five main engines 
fire up burning hydrogen and liquid oxygen.  At the same time the two 
solid rocket boosters ignite.  All hell brakes loose and you ascend almost 
vertically straight up into the sky at thousands of miles an hour.  But 
yeah as a shuttle sim it could be done as easily as an airplane sim.


BTW I do not think that I would so much enjoy weightlessness with no 
visual reference points, no gravity for reference etc.


BFN

Jim

I remember when Saturns were rockets, not cars.

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Re: [Audyssey] Car sim?

[Imbar Golt]

Thanks much Jim.  I really enjoy your games.

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To: "Imbar Golt" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Car sim?



Hi Imbar,

From my web site;
wincart2.exe 10.2m bytes October 2009
I wrote Mach 1 tts specifically for my Logitech MOMO Racing steering wheel 
joystick.  It should work ok with other game controllers as well.  However 
some of the tracks may be very difficult if not impossible to drive via 
the keyboard.
In version 2 I have added, 6 car engine sounds to choose from, 3 wall 
sounds to choose from, fuel consumption, pit roads, speech options and 
other game options etc.
Note* you will need to disable your screen reader to play this game, 
unless you are using a joystick.


BTW The Geneva track is probably the easiest.  Then maybe the Maple Leaf 
Tri-Oval.


I hope that you might give it a try.

BFN

Jim

My steering wheel is a Logitech MOMO Racing.

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Re: [Audyssey] Space sims?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Shaun,

Well, I can say that Asteroids 98, a remake by Activision for Win 98,
wasn't boring. Besides better graphics and sounds it had a more
complete plot than the original Asteroids of the 1980's. Basically,
the in-game story was you were sent out to stop these asteroids from
hitting earth. As you played you found out the asteroids were a weapon
used by an alien race, the crystal aliens, who were trying to start a
war with Earth and whipe us out. Of course, besides asteroids there
were space snakes, UFOs, and even space probes. There were a number of
different types of asteroids like ancient energy asteroids,
indestructable asteroids, etc which made things certainly interesting.
Asteroids 98 was awesome.

Cheers!


On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:
> asteroids was totally boring.
> I played the arcade version in inform some years back.
> They tried to emulate it and the emulated games bar centiped sucked.
> Missile command was totally crappy.
> No matter where I went, I always ended up dead.
> So either all those games were just crap by default or the blind
> can't play them or the implimentations were crap.
> On that note we have a tank sim, a jet sim and with puppy1 a fighter
> gunner sim in ww2 maybe.
> and that being arcade based.

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Shane Lowe]

One of the books.

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Now I'm curious... where in the heck did you get that impression?

At 08:02 PM 07/05/2011, you wrote:

oh. I thaught he died.



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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Bryan Peterson]

I know some Sith can do that or something similar at any rate. Look at 
Gantoris and Kyp Durron, both of whom briefly fell under the dominion of 
Exar-Kun. In fact if I'mnot mistkane Gantoris was killed by Kun's spirit. 
And then of course there was Freedon Nadd, who led Kun down the dark path to 
begin with. I don't know if it's the same when Sith do it or if they 
actually have to bind their spirits to a specific object or location in 
order to communicate with the living. After all Exar-Kun sealed his spirit 
in those temples on Yavin IV, one of which of course served as the location 
of the rebel base and later the Jedi Academy.

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Hi,

Well, we do know that the spirit of the person who dies in the Star
Wars universe is able to return and communicate and help the living.
Yoda says in Revenge of the Sith to Obi-Wan this is possible through
the Living Force. Which Qui-Gon Gin was an expert at, and is the first
person we know of to do it. At least in the more modern era anyway.
However, this ability to appear and to speak to the living seems to be
fairly specific to certain people.

For instance, when Obi-Wan dies he only speaks to Luke and Yoda. I
don't know if that is because the Force is required to see and talk to
him, but he never speaks to Leia who also has the Force. However,
Obi-Wan actively helps Luke become a Jedi and councils him in his
early years as a Jedi Knight.

In the Star Wars Legacy series after Jason kills Mara she returns as a
Force spirit. She speaks to Luke and Ben Skywalker, but doesn't seem
to speak or communicate with anyone else. Not even Jaina who she had
taught. However, in the FOTJ series she does speak to Janan Korr
letting him know of a plot to clone Force users so perhaps they aren't
limited to certain people. Interesting enough we do get something of
an answer about life after death in the Star Wars FOTJ series.

In FOTJ Ben and Luke enter a place called the Lake of Apparitions
where Mara's spirit tells them that death is a time of reflection and
a place to lookback on the things one has done both good and bad.
Anakin Solo's spirit is there as well so it seems to be a place where
the spirits of the Jedi go after dying. Although, the book doesn't
mention it perhaps Yoda, Obi-Wan, and all the other Jedis is there
too.

Cheers!


On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:

hmmm
But what does that say about his later envolvement.
He became something else.
In fact before vador struck him he had already gone, so was he able
to go to whatever when he wanted anyway and if vador killed him could
actually stay there or just go and have no reason to return.
Depending on what you acutally listen to, the actual stories or npr,
depending on what you here there are 2 versions.


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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Shane Lowe]

the blue harvest is a family guy remake of star wars.

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well in the blue harvist radio drama, done by pendantaudio he was rated as 
being quite old.
His race all died when, well a new syth lord came out or the emperor came 
back or something like that.

At 03:35 p.m. 8/05/2011, you wrote:
Exactly what I'm thinking. If yoda lived for 1000 years it's probably 
because of his race, not because of any force-aided thing. And your 
estimation of Obi-Wan's age and and the gap between him and Anakin is one 
I agree with.


At 08:30 PM 07/05/2011, you wrote:
Not that it's been explored much as far as I know but I sort of got the 
impression that the centuuries-long life span was a characteristic of 
whatever Yoda's race was. After all at the time of his death I don't 
think Anakin Skywalker was much over fifty, in his sixties at most I'd 
guess. He was nineteen or thereabouts at the time of Attack of the Clones 
and if I'm not mistaken Revenge of the Sith took place three years later. 
And I don't think it was much over twenty-five years from Revenge of the 
Sith to Return of the Jedi. Obi-Wan might have been in his seventies or 
eighties since he would have been at least ten years older than Anakin. 
But no, I've never heard anything that suggested that human Jedi lived 
much longer than ordinary folks.

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Bryan Peterson]

Ah ok. So Vader still had a living arm even after he was fitted with his 
suit. For some reason I always thought it was the other arm that Obi-Wan cut 
off. Guess my mom didn't explain that part to me right when I watched the 
movie in theaters.

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Hi Bryan,

No. Obi-Wan cut off the bionic arm, the same arm Dooku cut off, in
order to try and disable Anakin as that was the arm holding his light
saber. Remember Obi-Wan, like all good Jedi, tried to turn Anakin
first before going for the kill. In fact I have the Final Battle
Anakin Skywalker action figure and the right arm is the one you can
chop off as well as his legs. That's a bit graphic for a kids toy, but
quite accurate in terms of the movie.

Cheers!


On 5/8/11, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
Actually didn't he also chop off Vader's other arm? I know Dooku cut off 
the
first one in Attack of the CLones but for some reason I always thought 
that

Obi-Wan chopped off the other one and yes, both legs during that duel on
Mostafar.
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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Shane Lowe]

the lava took off the leggs actually.

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Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:09 AM
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Actually didn't he also chop off Vader's other arm? I know Dooku cut off 
the first one in Attack of the CLones but for some reason I always thought 
that Obi-Wan chopped off the other one and yes, both legs during that duel 
on Mostafar.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day



Hi Shaun,

No, not true. Grevous was a cyborg not a droid. A droid is a 100%
robot like C-3PO. A cyborg is part organic part machine. Come to think
of it Darth Vader himself is a cyborg as one of his arms both legs,
etc are mechanical since Obi-Wan chopped them off in Revenge of the
Sith and left him for dead in a lava pit.

On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:

I heard that grevis depending on what starwars fan production you
here was a droid.
In fact another droid came after him in that production that vador
later killed.


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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Clement Chou]

The actual story, NPR and movie are all the same in one respect... 
all three show Obi-Wan being cut down physically. In none of those 
does Vader conduct a missed blow... Obi-Wan's involvement later in 
the stories is only through manifestation as a force ghost.


At 01:38 AM 08/05/2011, you wrote:

hmmm
But what does that say about his later envolvement.
He became something else.
In fact before vador struck him he had already gone, so was he able 
to go to whatever when he wanted anyway and if vador killed him 
could actually stay there or just go and have no reason to return.
Depending on what you acutally listen to, the actual stories or npr, 
depending on what you here there are 2 versions.



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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Clement Chou]

He did indeed. At the end of that fight Anakin is effectively 
limbless... nothing more than a torso and a head.


At 05:09 AM 08/05/2011, you wrote:
Actually didn't he also chop off Vader's other arm? I know Dooku cut 
off the first one in Attack of the CLones but for some reason I 
always thought that Obi-Wan chopped off the other one and yes, both 
legs during that duel on Mostafar.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day



Hi Shaun,

No, not true. Grevous was a cyborg not a droid. A droid is a 100%
robot like C-3PO. A cyborg is part organic part machine. Come to think
of it Darth Vader himself is a cyborg as one of his arms both legs,
etc are mechanical since Obi-Wan chopped them off in Revenge of the
Sith and left him for dead in a lava pit.

On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:

I heard that grevis depending on what starwars fan production you
here was a droid.
In fact another droid came after him in that production that vador
later killed.


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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Shane,

No, that's not correct. Anakin jumped to try and attack Obi-Wan and
Obi-Wan chopped off both legs with his light saber while Anakin was
jumping. I can definitely tell you he didn't lose his legs because of
the lava.

On 5/8/11, Shane Lowe  wrote:
> the lava took off the leggs actually.
>

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Clement Chou]

Nope... Obi-Wan physically chopped them off himself. And it might be 
different in the movie, but in the book it's Anakin's left arm which 
obi-wan slices through. So I was wrong... he still had one limb left. 
Here's the passage from the novel:


 Obi-Wan turned his dive into  a  forward  roll  that  left  him  barely
teetering on the rim of a low cliff, just above the soft black sand  of  the
riverbank. Anakin snarled a curse as he realized  he'd  been  suckered,  and
leapt off his droid at Obi-Wan's back- Half a second too slow.
 Obi-Wan's whirl to parry didn't meet Anakin's blade. It met  his  knee.
Then his other knee.
 And while Anakin was still in  the  air,  burned-off  lower  legs  only
starting their topple down the cliff, Obi-Wan's recovery  to  guard  brought
his blade through Anakin's left arm above the  elbow.  He  stepped  back  as
Anakin fell.
 Anakin dropped his lightsaber, clawing at the edge of  the  cliff  with
his mechanical hand, but his grip was too powerful for the lava bank and  it
crumbled, and he slid down onto the black sand. His  severed  legs  and  his
severed arm rolled into the lava below him  and  burned  to  ash  in  sudden
bursts of scarlet flame.


At 06:38 AM 08/05/2011, you wrote:

the lava took off the leggs actually.



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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Thomas Ward]

Hi,

Well, at least from what I read most Sith spirits are confined to a
certain place like a temple or tomb. Although, Exar Kun's case might
be different considering he used the Massassi Temples to escape the
Jedi Knights who were hunting him in the Knights of the Old Republic
series comics. They killed his body, but Kun managed to seal his
spirit in the Mesassi temple until someone could set him free. Which
happened in the Jedi Academy series.

On 5/8/11, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> I know some Sith can do that or something similar at any rate. Look at
> Gantoris and Kyp Durron, both of whom briefly fell under the dominion of
> Exar-Kun. In fact if I'mnot mistkane Gantoris was killed by Kun's spirit.
> And then of course there was Freedon Nadd, who led Kun down the dark path to
> begin with. I don't know if it's the same when Sith do it or if they
> actually have to bind their spirits to a specific object or location in
> order to communicate with the living. After all Exar-Kun sealed his spirit
> in those temples on Yavin IV, one of which of course served as the location
> of the rebel base and later the Jedi Academy.
> We are the Knights who say...Ni!

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Bryan Peterson]

No, I'm pretty sure that was Obi-Wan. THe lava just did the rest of the 
work.

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the lava took off the leggs actually.

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From: "Bryan Peterson" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day


Actually didn't he also chop off Vader's other arm? I know Dooku cut off 
the first one in Attack of the CLones but for some reason I always 
thought that Obi-Wan chopped off the other one and yes, both legs during 
that duel on Mostafar.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day



Hi Shaun,

No, not true. Grevous was a cyborg not a droid. A droid is a 100%
robot like C-3PO. A cyborg is part organic part machine. Come to think
of it Darth Vader himself is a cyborg as one of his arms both legs,
etc are mechanical since Obi-Wan chopped them off in Revenge of the
Sith and left him for dead in a lava pit.

On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:

I heard that grevis depending on what starwars fan production you
here was a droid.
In fact another droid came after him in that production that vador
later killed.


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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Hayden Presley]

HI,
Yep. Oby-won took care of the legs, then Anakin fell into the lava, which
pretty much finished him off; too bad he still survived.

Best Regards,
Hayden

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No, I'm pretty sure that was Obi-Wan. THe lava just did the rest of the 
work.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day


> the lava took off the leggs actually.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bryan Peterson" 
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>
>
>> Actually didn't he also chop off Vader's other arm? I know Dooku cut off 
>> the first one in Attack of the CLones but for some reason I always 
>> thought that Obi-Wan chopped off the other one and yes, both legs during 
>> that duel on Mostafar.
>> We are the Knights who say...Ni!
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Thomas Ward" 
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>>
>>
>>> Hi Shaun,
>>>
>>> No, not true. Grevous was a cyborg not a droid. A droid is a 100%
>>> robot like C-3PO. A cyborg is part organic part machine. Come to think
>>> of it Darth Vader himself is a cyborg as one of his arms both legs,
>>> etc are mechanical since Obi-Wan chopped them off in Revenge of the
>>> Sith and left him for dead in a lava pit.
>>>
>>> On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:
 I heard that grevis depending on what starwars fan production you
 here was a droid.
 In fact another droid came after him in that production that vador
 later killed.
>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[Thomas Ward]

HI Charles,

Well, I'm not really that surprised. Besides the fact this kid was
young, hadn't had history yet, etc I've generally found that most
people are really uneducated when it comes to history in general. I've
found all too many times people said history was boring, they slept
through class, and they don't really know anything about it other than
a few facts here and there they picked up somewhere. Even then what
history they do know, or think they know, usually is white washed
facts that passes for history in our schools today.

For instance, how many people were involved in the Lincoln
assassanation? If you are like most people you will mention John Wilks
Booth and forget everyone else involved in the plot to kill Lincoln.
The real truth is there was several people involved directly with the
Lincoln assassaination, and several cabinit members were attacked the
same night as Lincoln. John Wilks Booth was killed while trying to
escape, but several other members of the conspiracy were rounded up
and put on trial. In the end four people were hanged for conspiracy,
and four others were sent to prison. For some reason this part of the
Lincoln assassination is rarely discussed. Its not even in the school
books. Yet that is what really happened and is a matter of public
record if anyone wants to look into it further.

Its cases like this that really disgust me about the American school
system. The history books maybe have one or two pages dedicated to any
specific person or event and skip over the deeper truths and history
behind what happened. For most people that's enough. The day people
graduate from high school they just stop studying history, and that is
very sad because history is extremely interesting if presented
correctly.  The Apaulo 13 mission is a case in point of history that
is very interesting and has books and movies written about it. There
is really no excuse not to know about it.

Cheers!


On 5/7/11, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> Uh, Houston?  We have a problem up here!  I don't remember them saying that,
> but I do remember the coverage.  Oddly enough, I was visiting a friend who
> had a young son who was really interested in space movies.  I took a copy of
> Apollo 13 with descriptive narration to show them what those movies are
> like.  During the movie, we were talking about what was going on in our
> country at the time of Apollo 13, remembering the music and stuff.  The kid
> suddenly said, "Wow!  You guys are talking as if this really happened."  I
> said, "It did!  It's not just a movie.  It is based on fact.  Apollo 13
> actually happened."  It blew him away, and it blew me away that he didn't
> know that.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Bryan Peterson]

Of course if he hadn't survived it's entirely possible that the Emperor 
wouldn't have been defeated. Vader, or perhaps Anakin reborn would be more 
accurate, was after all the one who killed the Emperor to save Luke. You 
could argue the same point for Lord of the Rings, since it's entirely 
possible that if Bilbo had killed Gollum in The Hobbit, or if Sam or Frodo 
had done so later, that Frodo would have been unable to destroy the ring. 
Heck, it's entirely possible that they might have failed even if Frodo had 
succeeded in turning GOllum back to good. And he almost succeeded in that 
and might have if not for Faramir. But the same principle applies in Star 
Wars. If Anakin had died that day on Mostafar it's entirely possible that 
the Emperor might eventually have overcome the rebels.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day



HI,
Yep. Oby-won took care of the legs, then Anakin fell into the lava, which
pretty much finished him off; too bad he still survived.

Best Regards,
Hayden

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Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 9:17 AM
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No, I'm pretty sure that was Obi-Wan. THe lava just did the rest of the
work.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day



the lava took off the leggs actually.

- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Peterson" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day



Actually didn't he also chop off Vader's other arm? I know Dooku cut off
the first one in Attack of the CLones but for some reason I always
thought that Obi-Wan chopped off the other one and yes, both legs during
that duel on Mostafar.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day



Hi Shaun,

No, not true. Grevous was a cyborg not a droid. A droid is a 100%
robot like C-3PO. A cyborg is part organic part machine. Come to think
of it Darth Vader himself is a cyborg as one of his arms both legs,
etc are mechanical since Obi-Wan chopped them off in Revenge of the
Sith and left him for dead in a lava pit.

On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:

I heard that grevis depending on what starwars fan production you
here was a droid.
In fact another droid came after him in that production that vador
later killed.


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Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[Charles Rivard]

I don't know, but there's one way to find out, and it's simple.  Check.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?



Can polo13 be found on the blind mice mart site?

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Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[Bryan Peterson]

That's kind of like what you were talking about when you were saying how 
people associated three-headed dogs and other monsters with Harry Potter 
alone yet don't realize that they've appeared in legends from all over the 
world. Obviously Fluffy was based on Cerberus or Kerberos depending on your 
translation. I'm not sure what the real Boggart is (although I'm pretty sure 
it doesn't assume the form of a person's greatest fear), but I do seem to 
recall it being a real creature of folklore. Kapas are from Japanese legend 
I believe. THe point is they get fixated on one idea and forget or don't 
hear everything else.

We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?



HI Charles,

Well, I'm not really that surprised. Besides the fact this kid was
young, hadn't had history yet, etc I've generally found that most
people are really uneducated when it comes to history in general. I've
found all too many times people said history was boring, they slept
through class, and they don't really know anything about it other than
a few facts here and there they picked up somewhere. Even then what
history they do know, or think they know, usually is white washed
facts that passes for history in our schools today.

For instance, how many people were involved in the Lincoln
assassanation? If you are like most people you will mention John Wilks
Booth and forget everyone else involved in the plot to kill Lincoln.
The real truth is there was several people involved directly with the
Lincoln assassaination, and several cabinit members were attacked the
same night as Lincoln. John Wilks Booth was killed while trying to
escape, but several other members of the conspiracy were rounded up
and put on trial. In the end four people were hanged for conspiracy,
and four others were sent to prison. For some reason this part of the
Lincoln assassination is rarely discussed. Its not even in the school
books. Yet that is what really happened and is a matter of public
record if anyone wants to look into it further.

Its cases like this that really disgust me about the American school
system. The history books maybe have one or two pages dedicated to any
specific person or event and skip over the deeper truths and history
behind what happened. For most people that's enough. The day people
graduate from high school they just stop studying history, and that is
very sad because history is extremely interesting if presented
correctly.  The Apaulo 13 mission is a case in point of history that
is very interesting and has books and movies written about it. There
is really no excuse not to know about it.

Cheers!


On 5/7/11, Charles Rivard  wrote:
Uh, Houston?  We have a problem up here!  I don't remember them saying 
that,
but I do remember the coverage.  Oddly enough, I was visiting a friend 
who
had a young son who was really interested in space movies.  I took a copy 
of

Apollo 13 with descriptive narration to show them what those movies are
like.  During the movie, we were talking about what was going on in our
country at the time of Apollo 13, remembering the music and stuff.  The 
kid
suddenly said, "Wow!  You guys are talking as if this really happened." 
I

said, "It did!  It's not just a movie.  It is based on fact.  Apollo 13
actually happened."  It blew him away, and it blew me away that he didn't
know that.

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Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[Bryan Peterson]

It was there the last time I checked. Then again that site's been down for a 
while now due to rennovations.

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I don't know, but there's one way to find out, and it's simple.  Check.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?



Can polo13 be found on the blind mice mart site?

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[Audyssey] history -Re: Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[Charles Rivard]

The teacher of history has a lot to do with how much we know.  I still have 
a mental block, although I really shouldn't, when it comes to history.  Our 
junior high and high school history was an old woman who, at the beginning 
of the class, told us the points of the chapter to remember.  Then she would 
say something like, "There are 45 minutes remaining in the period.  Read the 
chapter silently.  What you don't finish in class is your homework."  Our 
classes were 50 minutes in duration, so you know how much time she spent. 
If someone raised their hand to ask a question, it was asked, and then she 
usually told the student to look it up.  The answer is in the book.  On 
Friday, we were given an aural test of the week's chapters.  We got blasted 
if we gave wrong answers.  Her comment, after the first wrong answer would 
be, "Well, I can see that this class didn't do their homework, either."  It 
was the most boring class I ever attended, other than Latin class, which she 
also supposedly taught.  The same method was used in both classes.


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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?



HI Charles,

Well, I'm not really that surprised. Besides the fact this kid was
young, hadn't had history yet, etc I've generally found that most
people are really uneducated when it comes to history in general. I've
found all too many times people said history was boring, they slept
through class, and they don't really know anything about it other than
a few facts here and there they picked up somewhere. Even then what
history they do know, or think they know, usually is white washed
facts that passes for history in our schools today.

For instance, how many people were involved in the Lincoln
assassanation? If you are like most people you will mention John Wilks
Booth and forget everyone else involved in the plot to kill Lincoln.
The real truth is there was several people involved directly with the
Lincoln assassaination, and several cabinit members were attacked the
same night as Lincoln. John Wilks Booth was killed while trying to
escape, but several other members of the conspiracy were rounded up
and put on trial. In the end four people were hanged for conspiracy,
and four others were sent to prison. For some reason this part of the
Lincoln assassination is rarely discussed. Its not even in the school
books. Yet that is what really happened and is a matter of public
record if anyone wants to look into it further.

Its cases like this that really disgust me about the American school
system. The history books maybe have one or two pages dedicated to any
specific person or event and skip over the deeper truths and history
behind what happened. For most people that's enough. The day people
graduate from high school they just stop studying history, and that is
very sad because history is extremely interesting if presented
correctly.  The Apaulo 13 mission is a case in point of history that
is very interesting and has books and movies written about it. There
is really no excuse not to know about it.

Cheers!


On 5/7/11, Charles Rivard  wrote:
Uh, Houston?  We have a problem up here!  I don't remember them saying 
that,
but I do remember the coverage.  Oddly enough, I was visiting a friend 
who
had a young son who was really interested in space movies.  I took a copy 
of

Apollo 13 with descriptive narration to show them what those movies are
like.  During the movie, we were talking about what was going on in our
country at the time of Apollo 13, remembering the music and stuff.  The 
kid
suddenly said, "Wow!  You guys are talking as if this really happened." 
I

said, "It did!  It's not just a movie.  It is based on fact.  Apollo 13
actually happened."  It blew him away, and it blew me away that he didn't
know that.

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[Audyssey] Broken server

[Lori Duncan]

Hi I can't seem to access the high score list on Entombed from within the game, 
is it broken and is anyone else having this problem?
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Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Bryan,

Yeah, very true. There is a lot of history, mith, and legend packed
into the Harry Potter series that most people frankly are holy unaware
of.

For instance, let's take Serious Black. There is some very special
history linked to this name. The name Serious is the name of a star
commonly known to the ancients as the Dog Star or Death Star. Not
surprisingly therefore Serious can turn into a black dog which has an
interesting legend in and of itself. According to British mith and
legend a black dog, called a Grim, symbolizes death much in the same
way some people think of black cats today. So I personally find it
interesting that Serious Black's name and dog form is tied to death
legends, but if you try and discuss this with your average Harry
Potter fan they won't know anything about it. Most of them probably
can't even tell you that Serious is a star let alone all the mith and
legend attached to it in ancient times. This kind of ignorance of
history is what really gets me upset at our school system etc.

I think the reason why so many people say history is dull, boring,
uninteresting, etc is simply the way it is taught or presented to
students. History teachers seem to focus on dry facts, names, dates,
etc rather than letting the stories tell themselves. With the total
anti-religion movement in our schools today they don't even want to
get into mith and ancient religions as that involves religious debates
and discussions. So they stick to dry, boring, and largely
uninteresting facts instead of all the cool stuff history has to
offer.

For example, I myself am a big fan of Egyptology. Have studied it in
depth since I was a kid. However, memorizing what Pharoe ruled when
and what wars he faught in is only the plane ordinary part of the
history. To really understand them as a people you have to study their
myths, their legends, their religion and you will begin to see them as
who they really were and things will get a lot more interesting.

Also there are plenty of interesting things left open to debate like
was Tutankhamun murdered? There are many people who believe this
because of a letter Queen Ankhesenamen wrote to the Hitite king
stating that she feared for her life, and she believed Ay had ordered
Tutankhamun's murder. What we do know for a fact is Ay had forced
Queen Ankhesenamen into marrying him so he could assume the thrown,
and then she vanishes from history and her body has never been found.
What we have there is a 3,500 year old murder mystery/conspiracy. So
there are plenty of interesting things to study in history if people
get passed the dry boring stuff taught in public schools.

Cheers!




On 5/8/11, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> That's kind of like what you were talking about when you were saying how
> people associated three-headed dogs and other monsters with Harry Potter
> alone yet don't realize that they've appeared in legends from all over the
> world. Obviously Fluffy was based on Cerberus or Kerberos depending on your
> translation. I'm not sure what the real Boggart is (although I'm pretty sure
> it doesn't assume the form of a person's greatest fear), but I do seem to
> recall it being a real creature of folklore. Kapas are from Japanese legend
> I believe. THe point is they get fixated on one idea and forget or don't
> hear everything else.
> We are the Knights who say...Ni!

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Re: [Audyssey] God Wars And Alter Aeon

[mike maslo]

I may have to check it out. I have a character o alter but forget what it
is. I like god wars II but it is so hard with jaws reading or following
combat.

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Harmony Neil
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 3:26 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] God Wars And Alter Aeon

I've been playing alter aeon since November last year and I've just started
playing god wars 2. If anyone wants to add me to Alter Aeon friends lists,
my 2 characters are Harmony and Harmonylouise. If anyone wants to add me to
friends lists on God Wars, my character name is Harmony. I've only had my
god wars 2 character since last night.

Just thought people might like to know that useless piece of information.

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Hayden Presley]

Hi,
It's definitely a point  for discussion. I'm suire Sideous didn't "need"
Anakin for anything regarding the Empire, especiall as he had his eye on
Luke in the later movies as it is.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 9:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

Of course if he hadn't survived it's entirely possible that the Emperor 
wouldn't have been defeated. Vader, or perhaps Anakin reborn would be more 
accurate, was after all the one who killed the Emperor to save Luke. You 
could argue the same point for Lord of the Rings, since it's entirely 
possible that if Bilbo had killed Gollum in The Hobbit, or if Sam or Frodo 
had done so later, that Frodo would have been unable to destroy the ring. 
Heck, it's entirely possible that they might have failed even if Frodo had 
succeeded in turning GOllum back to good. And he almost succeeded in that 
and might have if not for Faramir. But the same principle applies in Star 
Wars. If Anakin had died that day on Mostafar it's entirely possible that 
the Emperor might eventually have overcome the rebels.
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Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day


> HI,
> Yep. Oby-won took care of the legs, then Anakin fell into the lava, which
> pretty much finished him off; too bad he still survived.
>
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 9:17 AM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>
> No, I'm pretty sure that was Obi-Wan. THe lava just did the rest of the
> work.
> We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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> From: "Shane Lowe" 
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>
>
>> the lava took off the leggs actually.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Bryan Peterson" 
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>>
>>
>>> Actually didn't he also chop off Vader's other arm? I know Dooku cut off
>>> the first one in Attack of the CLones but for some reason I always
>>> thought that Obi-Wan chopped off the other one and yes, both legs during
>>> that duel on Mostafar.
>>> We are the Knights who say...Ni!
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Thomas Ward" 
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>>>
>>>
 Hi Shaun,

 No, not true. Grevous was a cyborg not a droid. A droid is a 100%
 robot like C-3PO. A cyborg is part organic part machine. Come to think
 of it Darth Vader himself is a cyborg as one of his arms both legs,
 etc are mechanical since Obi-Wan chopped them off in Revenge of the
 Sith and left him for dead in a lava pit.

 On 5/8/11, shaun everiss  wrote:
> I heard that grevis depending on what starwars fan production you
> here was a droid.
> In fact another droid came after him in that production that vador
> later killed.

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[Audyssey] same gripe

[Kim Friedman]

Hi, is anyone having problems dealing with playing materia magica? I
have to cut out of there because it's so frustrating getting
information, and everything else I have to say the admin folks seem to
be very nice, but trying to understand the rules, what to say, etc. is
just plain hard and I'm not the most patient of people. It would be a
great help if I knew what I was doing and had the ability to enable my
screen reader so I could get the information I need, enable sounds
(where can I get those?), etc. I'd like to correspond with role players
who are better than I am and who can give me
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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Hayden Presley]

Hi,
So did I. I thought I rememberd something about him grabbing with his
mechanical arm before falling into the lava.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

Ah ok. So Vader still had a living arm even after he was fitted with his 
suit. For some reason I always thought it was the other arm that Obi-Wan cut

off. Guess my mom didn't explain that part to me right when I watched the 
movie in theaters.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day


> Hi Bryan,
>
> No. Obi-Wan cut off the bionic arm, the same arm Dooku cut off, in
> order to try and disable Anakin as that was the arm holding his light
> saber. Remember Obi-Wan, like all good Jedi, tried to turn Anakin
> first before going for the kill. In fact I have the Final Battle
> Anakin Skywalker action figure and the right arm is the one you can
> chop off as well as his legs. That's a bit graphic for a kids toy, but
> quite accurate in terms of the movie.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On 5/8/11, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
>> Actually didn't he also chop off Vader's other arm? I know Dooku cut off 
>> the
>> first one in Attack of the CLones but for some reason I always thought 
>> that
>> Obi-Wan chopped off the other one and yes, both legs during that duel on
>> Mostafar.
>> We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Thomas Ward]

HI Hayden,

You are right. I looked it up in Revenge of the Sith, the book, and it
says Obi-Wan chopped off Anakin's left arm, his human arm, and Anakin
used his robotic arm to try and catch is fall, but he fell anyway.

On 5/8/11, Hayden Presley  wrote:
> Hi,
> So did I. I thought I rememberd something about him grabbing with his
> mechanical arm before falling into the lava.
>
> Best Regards,
> Hayden

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Re: [Audyssey] Broken server

[burakyuksek]

Yeah I heard it is down.
saygilar sevgiler.
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Subject: [Audyssey] Broken server


Hi I can't seem to access the high score list on Entombed from within the 
game, is it broken and is anyone else having this problem?

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Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[Bryan Peterson]

Exactly. I remember reading a chat between David Greenwood and one of the 
other guys on the GMA talk list. THe topic was Lone Wolf as I recall and 
somehow the conversation got around to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. 
THe actual point was that people don't seem to realize tat the US might have 
brought that attack on itself by its actions around that time. People 
conveniently forgot that we as Americans might have been at least as much to 
blame for what happened as the Japanese.

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Hi Bryan,

Yeah, very true. There is a lot of history, mith, and legend packed
into the Harry Potter series that most people frankly are holy unaware
of.

For instance, let's take Serious Black. There is some very special
history linked to this name. The name Serious is the name of a star
commonly known to the ancients as the Dog Star or Death Star. Not
surprisingly therefore Serious can turn into a black dog which has an
interesting legend in and of itself. According to British mith and
legend a black dog, called a Grim, symbolizes death much in the same
way some people think of black cats today. So I personally find it
interesting that Serious Black's name and dog form is tied to death
legends, but if you try and discuss this with your average Harry
Potter fan they won't know anything about it. Most of them probably
can't even tell you that Serious is a star let alone all the mith and
legend attached to it in ancient times. This kind of ignorance of
history is what really gets me upset at our school system etc.

I think the reason why so many people say history is dull, boring,
uninteresting, etc is simply the way it is taught or presented to
students. History teachers seem to focus on dry facts, names, dates,
etc rather than letting the stories tell themselves. With the total
anti-religion movement in our schools today they don't even want to
get into mith and ancient religions as that involves religious debates
and discussions. So they stick to dry, boring, and largely
uninteresting facts instead of all the cool stuff history has to
offer.

For example, I myself am a big fan of Egyptology. Have studied it in
depth since I was a kid. However, memorizing what Pharoe ruled when
and what wars he faught in is only the plane ordinary part of the
history. To really understand them as a people you have to study their
myths, their legends, their religion and you will begin to see them as
who they really were and things will get a lot more interesting.

Also there are plenty of interesting things left open to debate like
was Tutankhamun murdered? There are many people who believe this
because of a letter Queen Ankhesenamen wrote to the Hitite king
stating that she feared for her life, and she believed Ay had ordered
Tutankhamun's murder. What we do know for a fact is Ay had forced
Queen Ankhesenamen into marrying him so he could assume the thrown,
and then she vanishes from history and her body has never been found.
What we have there is a 3,500 year old murder mystery/conspiracy. So
there are plenty of interesting things to study in history if people
get passed the dry boring stuff taught in public schools.

Cheers!




On 5/8/11, Bryan Peterson  wrote:

That's kind of like what you were talking about when you were saying how
people associated three-headed dogs and other monsters with Harry Potter
alone yet don't realize that they've appeared in legends from all over 
the
world. Obviously Fluffy was based on Cerberus or Kerberos depending on 
your
translation. I'm not sure what the real Boggart is (although I'm pretty 
sure

it doesn't assume the form of a person's greatest fear), but I do seem to
recall it being a real creature of folklore. Kapas are from Japanese 
legend

I believe. THe point is they get fixated on one idea and forget or don't
hear everything else.
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Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Bryan,

In deed. I don't recall which book it was, maybe At Don We Slept,
where the author presents some convincing evidence we knew the attack
was coming but conveniently ignored the information in order to bring
us into World War II. F.D.R. knew if we were attacked people would get
behind the war 100% and so they let Pearl Harbor happen without any
initial warning or resistance from the high command. Of course, the
U.S. government, even today, will deny that accusation, but there is
plenty of historical documentation etc to back up the claim that
F.D.R. intentionally let Pearl Harbor happen to get us into the war.
Of course, we are now getting way off topic so we should try and get
things back on topic here.

Cheers!


On 5/8/11, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> Exactly. I remember reading a chat between David Greenwood and one of the
> other guys on the GMA talk list. THe topic was Lone Wolf as I recall and
> somehow the conversation got around to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
> THe actual point was that people don't seem to realize tat the US might have
> brought that attack on itself by its actions around that time. People
> conveniently forgot that we as Americans might have been at least as much to
> blame for what happened as the Japanese.
> We are the Knights who say...Ni!

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Re: [Audyssey] ways to play interactive fiction titles on the pc

[Thomas Ward]

Hi,

Sure there are a number of Inform/ZMachine interpreters. Although, for
a Windows user Winfrotz or Winfrotz TTS are probably the best options.

On 5/7/11, Brandon Misch  wrote:
> Hey i know about winfrots tts but are there other programs that can play z
> machine files or other titles of interactive fiction?
>
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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Thomas Ward]

Hi,

Yeah, I remember. That's why I said Mara could have killed Jason, but
he cheated by distracting her with Ben's image. That moment of
hesitation was all it took to use the poison dart. Otherwise she'd
have ended it right then and their. However, she gave him one heck of
a battle. It got down right brutal if you come down to it. Jason used
an emotional weakness and Mara paid for it with her life.

On 5/7/11, Clement Chou  wrote:
> Kip and Jason. Now that I would've liked to hear about... I love the
> way troy Dennings writes his star wars battles... the detail and
> amount of action he squeezes in is great. And if you recall, Mara did
> not kill Jason because he distracted her with an image of Ben, which
> gave him the second to drive the poisoned dart into her leg.

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Hayden Presley]

Hi,
Claudite? I haven't read it in awhile but that definitely sounds correct.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 10:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

Only one race comes to mind... the assassin from Attack of the Clones 
who was sent to kill Padme. A claudite or whatever the name was.

At 08:47 PM 07/05/2011, you wrote:
>I've even heard speculation that Yoda was human at one time, but 
>then you'd have to explain how he turned into whatever he was. If 
>I'm not mistaken shapeshifting isn't an ability any race in the Star 
>Wars universe realy possesses.
>We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 9:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>
>
>>Exactly what I'm thinking. If yoda lived for 1000 years it's 
>>probably because of his race, not because of any force-aided thing. 
>>And your estimation of Obi-Wan's age and and the gap between him 
>>and Anakin is one I agree with.
>>
>>At 08:30 PM 07/05/2011, you wrote:
>>>Not that it's been explored much as far as I know but I sort of 
>>>got the impression that the centuuries-long life span was a 
>>>characteristic of whatever Yoda's race was. After all at the time 
>>>of his death I don't think Anakin Skywalker was much over fifty, 
>>>in his sixties at most I'd guess. He was nineteen or thereabouts 
>>>at the time of Attack of the Clones and if I'm not mistaken 
>>>Revenge of the Sith took place three years later. And I don't 
>>>think it was much over twenty-five years from Revenge of the Sith 
>>>to Return of the Jedi. Obi-Wan might have been in his seventies or 
>>>eighties since he would have been at least ten years older than 
>>>Anakin. But no, I've never heard anything that suggested that 
>>>human Jedi lived much longer than ordinary folks.
>>>We are the Knights who say...Ni!
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Shane Lowe]

oh. I havent watched those movies in years.

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Hi Shane,

No, that's not correct. Anakin jumped to try and attack Obi-Wan and
Obi-Wan chopped off both legs with his light saber while Anakin was
jumping. I can definitely tell you he didn't lose his legs because of
the lava.

On 5/8/11, Shane Lowe  wrote:

the lava took off the leggs actually.



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Re: [Audyssey] Broken server

[Shane Lowe]

yes. I've been having this problem for a while now.

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Hi I can't seem to access the high score list on Entombed from within the 
game, is it broken and is anyone else having this problem?

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[Audyssey] Mother's day sound

[Phil Vlasak]

Hi Folks,
Happy Mother's Day!
I put up another preview of the update to the Sarah game.
http://www.pcsgames.net/Mom.mp3
You get one guess on what the sound is.
Phil



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[Audyssey] baus in arec the claric.

[Darren Duff]

How do you beet the baus? every time I try and atack him he hits me  and I
die.
 
Darren Duff.

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Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

[Hayden Presley]

Hi,
I'd cite Grizley Gulch as a good example. Recall the ambush when you come
back with Stealin Steve the second time--the game won't let you win that
one. It's just the way the story goes.

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 10:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day

right.

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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day


> That's not the point. If you aren't supposed to win according to the story

> then the game won't let you.
> We are the Knights who say...Ni!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Shane Lowe" 
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>
>
>> yeah. But you want to be able to win all games. It may be hard, but you 
>> can still win.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Bryan Peterson" 
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 10:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>>
>>
>>> NOt if it's written into the story. THen it won't matter what you do. If

>>> you're not meant to win then you won't.
>>> We are the Knights who say...Ni!
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Shane Lowe" 
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>>>
>>>
 Well. If this game is created, it will.
 On my part anyway. I love that idea!

 - Original Message - 
 From: "Hayden Presley" 
 To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
 Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day


> Hi,
> Yoda against Palpatine? Hmmm...last time that happened that didn't go 
> so
> well for the Jedi master in question.
>
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]

> On
> Behalf Of Shane Lowe
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:03 PM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>
> yours is actually better!
> Long as theres the fight against the turned clones.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Thomas Ward" 
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Happy Star Wars Day
>
>
>> Hi Shane,
>>
>> Uh...Not even close. I managed to find the notes for Jedi Strike on
>> one of my backup drives, wonder of wonders, and your description 
>> isn't
>> even remotely close. Now, if you want to hear the true plans for the
>> project here they are.
>>
>> According to my notes I took these down in 2005. So I was right it 
>> was
>> about six years ago. The game was basically to be a spin-off of the
>> recently released Revenge of the Sith movie. The game was scheduled 
>> to
>> have about 10 levels and you would play the game using various
>> characters. For instance, level 1 was suppose to be the starfighter
>> battle leading up to the attack on General Grevous's flagship. Level 
>> 2
>> you would take control of Anikin Skywalker and rescue Chanceler
>> Palpatine and fight/kill Count Duku. Level 3 you would take command 
>> of
>> Yoda and lead a strike force to the Wookiee homeworld to battle the
>> droids there. Level 4 you would take the roll of Obi-Wan as he leads
>> the attack against Grevous on Megeto where you would fight/kill
>> Grevous.  Anyway, the final battle would be you playing Yoda vs
>> Emperor Palpatine. I can say that your description of the game is
>> nothing more or less than a roomer. Sorry to dissapoint you, but Jedi
>> Strike was never suppose to be anything like you described.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> On 5/6/11, Shane Lowe  wrote:
>>> Unfortunitly, Dark took down the discription.
>>> It was like this though.
>>> The game had 20 to 25 levels.
>>> In the first 20, you would fight the first ten battle droids, and 
>>> the
>>> second
>>> half clone trupers.
>>> Then the last 5 were like this.
>>> level-21
>>> You get to fight general grevis.
>>> level-22
>>> Fight darth mall.
>>> level-23
>>> fight count doku
>>> level24
>>> fight darth vador
>>> and
>>> level-25
>>> Fight  darth sidious.
>>> There were also 3 difficulties. Jedi apprentice, jedi night, and 
>>> jedi
>>> master.
>>>
>>> Thanks and hth,
>>> Shane
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Re: [Audyssey] Apollo 13 - Re: Apollo - Re: Space sims?

[Clement Chou]

There are certain areas in history that are interesting. I find 
European and Asian history much more interesting than, say, Canadian 
history. There just isn't anything interesting about the history of 
this country... it's all trading and politics, and especially the way 
it's presented in textbooks is ridiculous. I love history... always 
have. But I prefer European and Asian history, especially in the 
areas of mythology, military and weapons.


At 07:45 AM 08/05/2011, you wrote:

HI Charles,

Well, I'm not really that surprised. Besides the fact this kid was
young, hadn't had history yet, etc I've generally found that most
people are really uneducated when it comes to history in general. I've
found all too many times people said history was boring, they slept
through class, and they don't really know anything about it other than
a few facts here and there they picked up somewhere. Even then what
history they do know, or think they know, usually is white washed
facts that passes for history in our schools today.

For instance, how many people were involved in the Lincoln
assassanation? If you are like most people you will mention John Wilks
Booth and forget everyone else involved in the plot to kill Lincoln.
The real truth is there was several people involved directly with the
Lincoln assassaination, and several cabinit members were attacked the
same night as Lincoln. John Wilks Booth was killed while trying to
escape, but several other members of the conspiracy were rounded up
and put on trial. In the end four people were hanged for conspiracy,
and four others were sent to prison. For some reason this part of the
Lincoln assassination is rarely discussed. Its not even in the school
books. Yet that is what really happened and is a matter of public
record if anyone wants to look into it further.

Its cases like this that really disgust me about the American school
system. The history books maybe have one or two pages dedicated to any
specific person or event and skip over the deeper truths and history
behind what happened. For most people that's enough. The day people
graduate from high school they just stop studying history, and that is
very sad because history is extremely interesting if presented
correctly.  The Apaulo 13 mission is a case in point of history that
is very interesting and has books and movies written about it. There
is really no excuse not to know about it.

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Re: [Audyssey] Mother's day sound

[Shane Lowe]

and what do we win?

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Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Mother's day sound



Hi Folks,
Happy Mother's Day!
I put up another preview of the update to the Sarah game.
http://www.pcsgames.net/Mom.mp3
You get one guess on what the sound is.
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Re: [Audyssey] ways to play interactive fiction titles on the pc

[fred olver]

With all these options, does one need all these programs or will just one 
do???

Fred Olver

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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] ways to play interactive fiction titles on the pc


> Hi Brandon,
> There's another program called Filfer, which you can find on the IF 
> Archive.  It'll play Z-Machine and (I believe) Glulx games.  Beyond that, 
> I'd look into Tads and Adrift, the other two big interactive fiction 
> systems, both screen-reader accessible.
> Enjoy the games,
> Zack.
> On May 7, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>
>> Hey i know about winfrots tts but are there other programs that can play 
>> z machine files or other titles of interactive fiction?
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] ways to play interactive fiction titles on the pc

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Fred,
Tads and Adrift require other programs, but Filfer will play both ZCode and 
Glulx, I believe.  That last might not be true, as I've not used it for some 
time, and can't remember for certain.  The other two mentioned systems have 
their own, dedicated interpreters.
Best,
Zack.
On May 8, 2011, at 6:40 PM, fred olver wrote:

> With all these options, does one need all these programs or will just one 
> do???
> 
> Fred Olver
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Zachary Kline" 
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] ways to play interactive fiction titles on the pc
> 
> 
>> Hi Brandon,
>> There's another program called Filfer, which you can find on the IF 
>> Archive.  It'll play Z-Machine and (I believe) Glulx games.  Beyond that, 
>> I'd look into Tads and Adrift, the other two big interactive fiction 
>> systems, both screen-reader accessible.
>> Enjoy the games,
>> Zack.
>> On May 7, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey i know about winfrots tts but are there other programs that can play 
>>> z machine files or other titles of interactive fiction?
>>> 
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[Audyssey] A tpa turniment.

[Shane Lowe]

If anyone wants to join my ten pin allie terniment, just reply back with your 
player name.
I'll see what I can do with the name, and I'll create you if your not there.
Also, I'll need your skype name.
If you don't have skype, you can still play. Just some other blind person will 
be playing for you.

Thanks,
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[Audyssey] GG Sound pack repost request

[Sylvester Thomas]

Greetings All!  For Darren.  I think I saw your link posted for the sound pack 
for GG but some how cannot find the e mail. Could you Please repost the send 
space link you posted for me?  Thanks so Much.Take Care!   Sly
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Re: [Audyssey] A tpa turniment.

[Hayden Presley]

Hi,
Ok...so we don't have skype. Why would we want to sign up so someone else
could play for us? Are you kdding? How about when you play we post a
recording of it?

Best Regards,
Hayden


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Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:55 PM
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Subject: [Audyssey] A tpa turniment.

If anyone wants to join my ten pin allie terniment, just reply back with
your player name.
I'll see what I can do with the name, and I'll create you if your not there.
Also, I'll need your skype name.
If you don't have skype, you can still play. Just some other blind person
will be playing for you.

Thanks,
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Re: [Audyssey] ways to play interactive fiction titles on the pc

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Fred,

It all really depends on what language the interactive fiction game is
written in. If it was written in Inform then you will need something
like Frotz or Winfrotz. If it is written in Adrift then you need
either Scare or the Adrift Runner. If it is written in Tads then you
need Wintads. There are suppose to be sort of all in one interpreters
out there, but they usually don't support everything completely. What
I mean about that is some interactive fiction games may have some
graphics and sounds. Some interpreters don't support graphics and
sounds but supports multiple interactive fiction file types. It often
is a trade-off in terms of features.

For example, an if interpreter I use for Linux is called Rogue. It
supports Tads, Adrift, and a couple of other if type games. Its a nice
handy all in one application, but there are a few accessibility issues
with it, and it lacks some features I might get with using the
official Adrift Runner for Windows. One of those being the ability to
play sounds/music in the game. So if I happen to download an Adrift
type game that has sounds that feature won't be supported using Rogue.
However, the advantages for me in using Rogue is it is supported on
Linux, supports multiple game file types, and is reasonably accessible
with Orca. So in this case I'm willing to forego the sounds/music for
non-Windows compatibility. However, if I want all the features of the
Adrift adventure format I have to use the official Adrift 4 Runner for
Windows instead.

Cheers!









On 5/8/11, fred olver  wrote:
> With all these options, does one need all these programs or will just one
> do???
>
> Fred Olver

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[Audyssey] accessible emulator

[michael barnes]

Hey, could someone please help with what I'm looking for.
I'm looking for a accessible dos emulator for my pc.
Thanks for the help.

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[Audyssey] aurifi games

[michael barnes]

Hey, I was wondering if their might be any games just like aurifi?  I 
somewhat remember that someone had mention that there is a game that is 
like aurifi coming out.
But instead it being about instruments it is some kind of superhero you 
are playing as.

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