date:20110801

Hi tom,

I look forward to trying that out when the game comes out of beta. 

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To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About the mag

Hi Darren,

Agreed. That was basically my point in my prior post on comparing Pull
to Duck Hunt. I don't think we should just accept a lower standard
because it is quicker, easier, it was a first game, whatever. There
are clear cut features that are easy enough to put in place and for
reasons only known to the developers who create the audio games they
aren't always followed or added.

For instance, take the analog jump system in Mysteries of the
Ancients. I've gotten a number of complaints about it simply because a
lot of VI gamers aren't use to timing a jump. Yet analog jumping has
been in about every mainstream game i can think of from Montezuma's
Revenge, to Super Mario Brothers, to Donkey Kong, to Tomb Raider. It
was actually something quite simple to add, and I find it a bit
surprising that I'm currently the only audio game developer using that
type of jump system in my games. That's just a small example of how
there is an existing standard in mainstream games that hasn't yet made
it into wide use in audio games yet.

Cheers!

On 7/31/11, darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Hi tom,

 Well in the end, fact always wins over fiction. So really to be blunt
again,
 people need to stop burying their heads in the sand and face the music.
 These simple games aren't going to cut it in the real world. They're good
to
 practice on I can see the logic in that in terms of how to get code
working,
 but equally that doesn't to my mind justify a release each time. how many
 space invader clones do we have now? the only thing that hasn't really
been
 cloned to death is packman which is good because the job that Phil did
with
 packman talks is a masterpiece in it's own right.

 The facts are these:

 1. Developers are indeed starting from scratch and learning as they go.
This
 I accept and openly acknowledge. I can't programme for the life of me so
I'm
 not going to sit here and debate how easy or difficult x game is to
create.
 2. whether a person is self-taught or whether you go to school and learn,
we
 all have to start somewhere. Again I totally accept this. But with
 experience comes improved quality of product. It's just the same as with
any
 business venture. The longer you are in a given business providing you
 survive, the more you can refine and train yourself to do better, produce
a
 better product or service. So to put this into the gaming context, the
more
 you progress the better games you can produce and also there's plenty of
 knowledge and resources here to draw upon.

 In the mainstream gaming community, too much cloning will simply bore
people
 and you won't have the attention you once had. Which in the long run can
and
 will only serve to damage you.

 If the Audyssey Magazine is constantly full of these clones and there
isn't
 an effective streamlining process, then it will kill the Magazine. pure
and
 simple. Thus why gaming Magazines have a rating system for games and not
 everything gets in.

 At the end of the day, it's the people that drive the types of games that
 are produced and it's the Magazines that effectively report back to the
 people. So my question is, in order to support the masses, are we going to
 just accept that there can be a ton of low budget games out there to play
 that aren't too different from each other? or is a little time and
patients
 worth the increase in the quality of game? That is the trade-off isn't it.
 personally I'm content to sit back and see what happens. In other words,
let
 the developers do what they're best at. Let the newbies learn how to
develop
 to a set standard thus over time the wait will be less because the more
 progressing developers there are out there, the increase in titles we'll
see
 over time.

 If you yourself were working in the mainstream community and it was taking
 as long as it's taking you now to develop your game, the simple fact is
that
 until your game is released, people will go and play other titles because
 they are available and there. by adhering and accepting the lower quality
 games we're doing ourselves much more harm than good in the long run in my
 opinion.

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Re: [Audyssey] good SSFIV match

2011-08-01 Thread Sarah Haake


Hi Yohandi, Clement and others,

I actually listened to all these matches and it's true, we probably 
never will get to such technical hights. *lol*
Well, besides that I get a little sad because I have to wait for my new 
laptop before I can play Street Fighter IV again, my current one is just 
way to slow for this game.


But these matches are really great and I really don't want to know how 
many sleepless nights it took to get all this down so well. *grins*


Best regards
Sarah 



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[Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for July 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Jim Kitchen



112 people posted 1703 messages.

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[Audyssey] Audyssey thread report for July 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Jim Kitchen

There were 283 thread titles. Here are the top 50.

Startrek tng trivia error 64.
I broke castaways, plus soldiers and knights 50.
About the mag 46.
Getting Frustrated with Level 1 of Awesome Homer 40.
recovering game information 40.
Awesome Homer 38.
General Gaming Info 38.
Getting the Chainsaw in Awesome Homer 29.
Programming elitists was: Re: Jeremy's incredibleprogramming speed 29.
Castaways, frustrated with the ship 28.
win trucker question 28.
Castaways 1.0b thoughts and impressions. 26.
A Sincere Apology to the List 25.
This is all crazy 22.
Troopanum to the insane power^^! 22.
Castaways v0.3b 21.
Castaways, translated in to other languages. 21.
going off list 17.
Help with a Mac 17.
Suggestion for Castaways 17.
Awesome Homer confusion 15.
castaways 15.
farm management in castaways 15.
A Sighted view on Bridging the Gap. 14.
Castaways, 1 week milestone reached! 14.
Finding castaways 14.
I'm Leaving the List 14.
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To all members 14.
any good space games out there? 13.
beating the game and the other difficulty levels 13.
jaws support in castaways and other games 13.
question about farms in castaways 13.
Castaways, version 0.9b 12.
Castaways: job specialization 12.
golf game 12.
Seeking Adventure or Strategy Games 12.
castaways version 1.4b, with Jaws support! 11.
has anybody tried astro wars? 11.
i finaly beat the awesome homer! 11.
Mota link 11.
MOTA Voice Output 11.
Mushclient scripts? 11.
Possible Bug in Castaways 11.
Castaways questions 10.
Castaways Suggestion: Mothers 10.
Castaways, version 0.8b 10.
Castaways: Stone Masons 10.
Trying to beat level 7 in SD 10.
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[Audyssey] unification wars

Hi all,

Well I'm becoming quite addicted to this game. It's rather fun I must say.

Below is a link you can use to go take a look at the game.

It's my personal link. When ever it's clicked on I get points and stuff and
you will too. give it a go it's rather enjoyable. 



http://uc.GamesTotal.com/?tft=299ju



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Re: [Audyssey] About the mag

Hi Jeremy,

Right. In that way we are thinking quite a lot alike. We each see
things that could be improved, new types of games to add to the
community, and all of it is to the good.

I also like your idea of someone writing an article in the Audyssey
Magazine covering various development aspects like game ideas,
features, control features, level layouts, etc that have been
successful and that worked out well for the game players at large. I
myself am experimenting with such issues right now in Mysteries of the
Ancients as some of the features I've added were not really tried in
an audio only format before. One of those is an analog jump system.
Which isn't really hard to add, but has been largely avoided until
now.

Of course, analog jumping has been present in every mainstream game
from Montezuma's Revenge, to Donkey Kong, to Super Mario Brothers,
right up to the present. The problem with that is though that since
you have to time or gauge the length of a jump that sometimes requires
a bit of site to see weather or not you need to do a short hop, a
short jump, or a very big jump to overcome the trap ahead. One way I
have dealt with this issue is by changing the pitch of the pits so you
can hear if the pit is large or small. A large chasm will have a
deeper wind sound than a smaller one. If a player comes upon a deep
windy sounding pit sound he or she might consider giving Angela a
run-up before jumping. If the chasm wind sound sounds higher he or she
can try and perform a standing jump. It is actually pretty accessible,
and I've found analog jumping can be just as accessible in an audio
only format as in a video format.


The only catch I think I've ran into in regards to analog jumping is
the players themselves. Many of them are use to a fixed jump, IE a
fixed length to jump, and often let up on the jump keys too quick or
too late ending up in the fire, lava, spikes, etc. I think though that
this issue can be solved with time and practice as its a slightly more
advanced type of jump than they are use to and they need time and
practice to get use to it.

Cheers!


On 7/31/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com wrote:
 Thank you Thomas.  It seems like we are on the same page here.  Of course we
 are concentrating on different things, the common thread is that we are
 seeing the importance of pushing forward.  You are hoping to push higher
 standards of development, I am trying to push for some different ideas that
 I haven't seen here, while I'm sure others are pushing for new interface
 ideas for existing game types.  In the future we need all of these things,
 and more!  We can't expect anyone to work on everything, but as long as we
 can get people pushing forward in their own unique way, it opens the door
 for the advancements to be combined.  It is inevitable that future
 developers will use game ideas someone had to pioneer, develop them to a
 quality standard someone had to push to happen, and use far greater controls
 which someone took the time to envision.  A person pushing advancements down
 any path, will eventually work its way into everything else.

 I wouldn't be qualified to handle this, but if anyone else feels up to it, I
 know what kind of articles I would be very interested in reading.  Pick some
 style of game that is popular now, I'll use side scroller as an example.
 Write about the earlier games that used the style, pointing out how each
 improved the style and raised the bar for the next game.  I would love to
 read about game ideas, control features, level layouts, and so forth that
 clearly worked well and then showed up in later games.  Detailing how
 changes solved past problems, and bringing attention to what problems still
 seem to exist today, will help encourage people to theorize their own
 solutions to the problems.  Just off of the top of my head, how pits or
 raised platforms are handled seems to be something of a current issue.
 People have tried different approaches in games, and I'm sure there Has! to
 have been a steady stream of advancement in this area.  I'm sure the
 sidescroller
  developers have ideas for how to further improve them down the road also.
 This kind of stuff is very interesting to me, because it would shed light on
 a puzzle which has been passed from developer to developer.  I might learn
 that my idea has been tried by someone, and I could read about how well or
 poorly it was received by the players.  Hopefully it would breed discussion,
 and speed up the rate of new advancements.

 I'm just tossing ideas out there.  It is always annoying when someone
 suggests that a job be done, but doesn't volunteer to do it himself, lol!
 For that, I apologize everyone!  :)

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Re: [Audyssey] About the mag

I think the problem is better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

In some ways the audio games community certainly our side of it has been
going round in circles for quite a few years with a few acceptions. So
really what needs to happen is for people to realise that there is something
good to be had from breaking the cycle.

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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 01 August 2011 10:06
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About the mag

Hi Jeremy,

Right. In that way we are thinking quite a lot alike. We each see
things that could be improved, new types of games to add to the
community, and all of it is to the good.

I also like your idea of someone writing an article in the Audyssey
Magazine covering various development aspects like game ideas,
features, control features, level layouts, etc that have been
successful and that worked out well for the game players at large. I
myself am experimenting with such issues right now in Mysteries of the
Ancients as some of the features I've added were not really tried in
an audio only format before. One of those is an analog jump system.
Which isn't really hard to add, but has been largely avoided until
now.

Of course, analog jumping has been present in every mainstream game
from Montezuma's Revenge, to Donkey Kong, to Super Mario Brothers,
right up to the present. The problem with that is though that since
you have to time or gauge the length of a jump that sometimes requires
a bit of site to see weather or not you need to do a short hop, a
short jump, or a very big jump to overcome the trap ahead. One way I
have dealt with this issue is by changing the pitch of the pits so you
can hear if the pit is large or small. A large chasm will have a
deeper wind sound than a smaller one. If a player comes upon a deep
windy sounding pit sound he or she might consider giving Angela a
run-up before jumping. If the chasm wind sound sounds higher he or she
can try and perform a standing jump. It is actually pretty accessible,
and I've found analog jumping can be just as accessible in an audio
only format as in a video format.


The only catch I think I've ran into in regards to analog jumping is
the players themselves. Many of them are use to a fixed jump, IE a
fixed length to jump, and often let up on the jump keys too quick or
too late ending up in the fire, lava, spikes, etc. I think though that
this issue can be solved with time and practice as its a slightly more
advanced type of jump than they are use to and they need time and
practice to get use to it.

Cheers!


On 7/31/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com wrote:
 Thank you Thomas.  It seems like we are on the same page here.  Of course
we
 are concentrating on different things, the common thread is that we are
 seeing the importance of pushing forward.  You are hoping to push higher
 standards of development, I am trying to push for some different ideas
that
 I haven't seen here, while I'm sure others are pushing for new interface
 ideas for existing game types.  In the future we need all of these things,
 and more!  We can't expect anyone to work on everything, but as long as we
 can get people pushing forward in their own unique way, it opens the door
 for the advancements to be combined.  It is inevitable that future
 developers will use game ideas someone had to pioneer, develop them to a
 quality standard someone had to push to happen, and use far greater
controls
 which someone took the time to envision.  A person pushing advancements
down
 any path, will eventually work its way into everything else.

 I wouldn't be qualified to handle this, but if anyone else feels up to it,
I
 know what kind of articles I would be very interested in reading.  Pick
some
 style of game that is popular now, I'll use side scroller as an example.
 Write about the earlier games that used the style, pointing out how each
 improved the style and raised the bar for the next game.  I would love to
 read about game ideas, control features, level layouts, and so forth that
 clearly worked well and then showed up in later games.  Detailing how
 changes solved past problems, and bringing attention to what problems
still
 seem to exist today, will help encourage people to theorize their own
 solutions to the problems.  Just off of the top of my head, how pits or
 raised platforms are handled seems to be something of a current issue.
 People have tried different approaches in games, and I'm sure there Has!
to
 have been a steady stream of advancement in this area.  I'm sure the
 sidescroller
  developers have ideas for how to further improve them down the road also.
 This kind of stuff is very interesting to me, because it would shed light
on
 a puzzle which has been passed from developer to developer.  I might learn
 that my idea has been tried by someone, and I could read about how well or
 poorly it was received by the

Re: [Audyssey] About the mag

Hi Shaun,

I'm afraid you completely missed the point. Weather someone has
updated equipment, programs in language x, whatever really has nothing
to do with it. It has more to do with the fact there are certain
common features I would call standards in mainstream games that don't
often get included in audio games because the developer doesn't know
about them or he or she doesn't know how to program it. Either way it
is something of a problem as we are in a sense accepting a lower
standard or quality of games because of it.

I'll return to my comparison of Pull to Dunk Hunt I posted to the list
yesterday. Pull is a simple game in concept, which is perfectly fine
as far as that goes, but it lacks many common features a game like
Duck Hunt has which would improve the game play if they were added.
Things like increasing the speed of the clay pigeons after each round,
randomly changing the direction where the clay pigeons are launched
from, add more clay pigeons to target, a dedicated scoring system,
high score board, perhaps two-player mode, etc isn't really all that
much to ask. These are fairly simple additions or features that could
be made to improve the game to make it more like mainstream games of
that genre or type. You see what I mean?

This has absolutely nothing to do with system specs, 64bit, and all
this stuff you seem to think is required to catch up to the
mainstream. I'd agree if we were talking Doom 3D or Star Wars Battle
Front with 3d graphics etc, but we aren't. We are talking about how
various games, even simple games like Pull, could be improved just by
adding more challenges, features, etc more commonly found in
mainstream games. In fact, I can safely  say a game like Pull could be
written in something like visual Basic 6, DirectX 7, and built for
Windows 95, a Pentium 133 processor, and 32 MB of ram, and still
support all of the mainstream features I mentioned above. These kinds
of things don't necessarily  require huge changes in the game or state
of the art hardware and software.

The same kinds of changes could be suggested about a game like Sarah.
Now, I'm a big fan of SCW, play it all the time, but there are things
here and there I think would make the game just a bit better. One of
those is rather than faking 3d movement by having Sarah flying on the
broom by setting a flag it would be a bit more realistic to rewrite
the game with full realistic 3d movement so Sarah can fly up/down,
left/right, forward/backward on the broom in 3d space. The same holds
for the pond/lake where Sarah should be able to swim up/down,
left/right, forward/backward, but she can't. It would be nice to
rewrite the map of Hogwarts so the rooms line up on top of each other
rather than the basement being basically just another room or area of
the same floor. The problem is that everything in Sarah is pancake
flat and that's not at all realistic. It isn't something a mainstream
developer would necessarily do given the same type of game. However,
I'm well aware the GMA Engine doesn't really have the ability to do
what I suggest, which is too bad, but all the same that's not really
my point. Its just that we often get use to overlooking features and
development standards often found in the mainstream game industry when
creating a similar type of game, and I honestly feel that we are
cutting ourselves short because of it.

Cheers!


On 7/31/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 well tom its safe to say that most of us here are just starting.
 Most don't have your background.
 I sertainly don't.
 When I started the most complex game I knew was intergalactic battle
 a graphics/menu game.
 Yes compaired to mainstream we are probably not that attractive.
 The point is that we have been stagnating in emulated arcade.
 Its not a bad thing but if we need to move foreward we will have to
 bite the bullet and try to go mainstream etc.
 Which brings up an interesting thing.
 Unless you are sighted and know what stuff was  then you won't know
 what to really do.
 I have never been sighted in my life.
 You can go left right up down run left and right and jump.
 I know that mainstream stuff goes so much more than that.
 But there are limits in sounds, the number of sounds, etc.
 Then there is the fact most of us don't have updated equipment.
 And even if we have its not the most up to date.
 Ie I have what would be quite an ancient second generation dulecore
 with no real hard drive or memmory requirements running on an
 extremely insecure os, and old ish hardware that won't go anywhere
 and being unable to run major things.
 We are limited at least for a while to the fact most people will
 still have 32 bit systems.
 I know for a fact a few still have single core systems.
 Some may still use dos 6 and win98 still.
 With acceptions with those with linux or apple mac systems Hmmm not sure.
 Basically we are stuck with simple for a while I think until we get
 64 bit fully then we will be behind again.

 So before we move

Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for July 2011

Hi,

Wow! Dark definitely wins the chat award for this month. He has me
beat by 65 messages. I'm losing my touch. I'll get you next time,
Gadget. Next time. Hehehehe.

Cheers!

On 8/1/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:

  112 people posted 1703 messages.

  258 From, dark.
  202 From, Jeremy Kaldobsky.
  193 From, Thomas Ward.
  94 From, Jim Kitchen.
  74 From, shaun everiss.
  60 From, darren harris.
  60 From, Hayden Presley.
  52 From, Christina.
  48 From, Bryan Peterson.
  39 From, Christopher Bartlett.
  33 From, Charles Rivard.
  27 From, alex wallis.
  24 From, Ron Schamerhorn.
  20 From, Phil Vlasak.
  19 From, Shane Lowe.
  19 From, Yohandy.
  18 From, Willem.
  17 From, Che.
  16 From, Curt Taubert.
  15 From, burakyuksek.
  15 From, Zachary Kline.
  14 From, Darren Duff.
  14 From, william lomas.
  12 From, Clement Chou.
  12 From, Jack F.
  12 From, Milos Przic.
  12 From, Valiant8086.
  11 From, Amanda Burt.
  11 From, Damien C. Pendleton.
  11 From, Karl Belanger.
  10 From, Ben.
  10 From, Oriol Gómez.
  10 From, Richard Sherman.
  9 From, brian glass.
  9 From, Jacob Kruger.
  9 From, john.
  8 From, David Mehler.
  8 From, Kelly Sapergia.
  7 From, Alfredo.
  7 From, Lisa Hayes.
  7 From, Sky Mundell.
  6 From, Dakotah Rickard.
  6 From, Kelvin Tan.
  6 From, Lori Duncan.
  6 From, mattias.
  6 From, michael barnes.
  6 From, Shane Davidson.
  6 From, Trouble.
  5 From, Greg Steel.
  5 From, Mauricio Almeida.
  5 From, Michael Taboada \(AI5HF\).
  5 From, Ryan Strunk.
  5 From, simon dowling.
  5 From, Willem Venter.
  4 From, Courtney Curran.
  4 From, Dallas O'Brien.
  4 From, Dennis Towne.
  4 From, fred olver.
  4 From, GreyMatter Info.
  4 From, Jess Varnell.
  4 From, Kenny Peyatt.
  4 From, lori duncan.
  4 From, Matheus Rheine.
  4 From, Richard Claridge.
  4 From, Siddhant Jain.
  4 From, Tim Kilgore.
  3 From, aadorno1.
  3 From, Alfredo Castaneda.
  3 From, BlindLee55.
  3 From, Cary.
  3 From, djc.
  3 From, Loravara.
  3 From, Mich.
  3 From, Sarah Haake.
  2 From, austin pinto.
  2 From, Bill Dengler.
  2 From, Bob Montowski.
  2 From, Bogdan Muresan.
  2 From, bryant walker.
  2 From, darren_g_harris.
  2 From, James Howard.
  2 From, mike maslo.
  2 From, Orin.
  2 From, Petr Bláha.
  2 From, Rick.
  2 From, Ron Kolesar.
  2 From, Ryan Conroy.
  2 From, Steven Strait.
  2 From, Tyriannette T. Snowden.
  1 From, Angela Lerma.
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  1 From, kev lyon.
  1 From, Konsta Ranta.
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  1 From, Michael Taboada.
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Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for July 2011

Lol I loved those cartoons! Couldn't stand the movie though but the cartoons
rocked! Hmmm now I'm going to have to see what's on YouTube now

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 01 August 2011 11:08
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for July 2011

Hi,

Wow! Dark definitely wins the chat award for this month. He has me beat by
65 messages. I'm losing my touch. I'll get you next time, Gadget. Next
time. Hehehehe.

Cheers!

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  112 people posted 1703 messages.

  258 From, dark.
  202 From, Jeremy Kaldobsky.
  193 From, Thomas Ward.
  94 From, Jim Kitchen.
  74 From, shaun everiss.
  60 From, darren harris.
  60 From, Hayden Presley.
  52 From, Christina.
  48 From, Bryan Peterson.
  39 From, Christopher Bartlett.
  33 From, Charles Rivard.
  27 From, alex wallis.
  24 From, Ron Schamerhorn.
  20 From, Phil Vlasak.
  19 From, Shane Lowe.
  19 From, Yohandy.
  18 From, Willem.
  17 From, Che.
  16 From, Curt Taubert.
  15 From, burakyuksek.
  15 From, Zachary Kline.
  14 From, Darren Duff.
  14 From, william lomas.
  12 From, Clement Chou.
  12 From, Jack F.
  12 From, Milos Przic.
  12 From, Valiant8086.
  11 From, Amanda Burt.
  11 From, Damien C. Pendleton.
  11 From, Karl Belanger.
  10 From, Ben.
  10 From, Oriol Gómez.
  10 From, Richard Sherman.
  9 From, brian glass.
  9 From, Jacob Kruger.
  9 From, john.
  8 From, David Mehler.
  8 From, Kelly Sapergia.
  7 From, Alfredo.
  7 From, Lisa Hayes.
  7 From, Sky Mundell.
  6 From, Dakotah Rickard.
  6 From, Kelvin Tan.
  6 From, Lori Duncan.
  6 From, mattias.
  6 From, michael barnes.
  6 From, Shane Davidson.
  6 From, Trouble.
  5 From, Greg Steel.
  5 From, Mauricio Almeida.
  5 From, Michael Taboada \(AI5HF\).
  5 From, Ryan Strunk.
  5 From, simon dowling.
  5 From, Willem Venter.
  4 From, Courtney Curran.
  4 From, Dallas O'Brien.
  4 From, Dennis Towne.
  4 From, fred olver.
  4 From, GreyMatter Info.
  4 From, Jess Varnell.
  4 From, Kenny Peyatt.
  4 From, lori duncan.
  4 From, Matheus Rheine.
  4 From, Richard Claridge.
  4 From, Siddhant Jain.
  4 From, Tim Kilgore.
  3 From, aadorno1.
  3 From, Alfredo Castaneda.
  3 From, BlindLee55.
  3 From, Cary.
  3 From, djc.
  3 From, Loravara.
  3 From, Mich.
  3 From, Sarah Haake.
  2 From, austin pinto.
  2 From, Bill Dengler.
  2 From, Bob Montowski.
  2 From, Bogdan Muresan.
  2 From, bryant walker.
  2 From, darren_g_harris.
  2 From, James Howard.
  2 From, mike maslo.
  2 From, Orin.
  2 From, Petr Bláha.
  2 From, Rick.
  2 From, Ron Kolesar.
  2 From, Ryan Conroy.
  2 From, Steven Strait.
  2 From, Tyriannette T. Snowden.
  1 From, Angela Lerma.
  1 From, Angellko21.
  1 From, Ann.
  1 From, David Chung.
  1 From, Dean Masters.
  1 From, Desiree Oudinot.
  1 From, Eleanor Robinson.
  1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot.
  1 From, Gary Whittington.
  1 From, Hayden.
  1 From, Jane.
  1 From, Joe Quinn.
  1 From, Johnny Tai.
  1 From, Kai.
  1 From, Keao Wright.
  1 From, kev lyon.
  1 From, Konsta Ranta.
  1 From, lirin.
  1 From, Matthew Alvernaz.
  1 From, Michael Taboada.
  1 From, Oriol Gómez (iPhone).
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Re: [Audyssey] Castaways version 1.5b Random maps, muting, and leatherworkers

2011-08-01 Thread Kelvin Tan

1 more that i forgot to mention. when i press control s to assign someone as 
a stone mason, it will assign that person to the next job thats on the right 
of the stone mason job. depending on what buildings u have up at the time, 
the assignment will not be correct. i think there is a key clash for the s 
key when control s is pressed, it somehow added another s after that.
- Original Message - 
From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com
To: audyssey gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:34 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Castaways version 1.5b Random maps, muting,and 
leatherworkers

Version 1.5b has just been posted.  I am still working on the multi language 
feature, the multiplayer features, and the ability to change the priorities 
of your workers, but I did get enough stuff done that I felt a new update 
was in order.

When you go to play a mission, you will notice a new field in the menu list. 
Default map means that you will play the mission using the map designed to 
go along with this mission.  Pressing enter on this selection will change it 
to Random map.  Random maps will provide an extra challenge, because they 
were not specifically designed to control how quickly things happened.  For 
example, if there is randomly more open space leading off of the map, then 
Goblins will have more places to invade in from.

To keep things as stable as possible, picking the random map option actually 
randomizes in a somewhat unusual way.  The size of the map will remain the 
same, and water landmarks will not be changed.  All of the trees and rocks 
are randomly moved around but you still end up with the same number of each. 
Also, the number of trees and rocks that normally fell along the outer edges 
of the map will still be the same, as an effort to give the Goblins 
approximately the same number of ways into your land.

When you use delete to destroy a building you have already built, you will 
receive half of the construction materials back as salvaged supplies.  If 
the number of supplies can't be evenly divided in half, it is rounded up to 
the next whole number.  So destroying a house, which originally cost you 3 
lumber and 3 bricks, would give you 2 lumber and 2 bricks back.

To balance things differently, Butchers are only able to create a fur 33 
percent of the time they work on an animal carcass.  Many users reported a 
huge stockpile of furs building up as they played, and I felt the need to 
change things around a little.  Upgraded butchers are 66 percent successful 
at salvaging furs.

Monks no longer use cloth to create tomes!  Peasants will carry furs to your 
new Tannery, where a leatherworker will transform 1 fur into 1 piece of 
leather.  3 pieces of leather are now required to create a tome.  The 
leather working chain will be expanded upon in mission 3, when that is 
eventually added.  Monks now take 25 percent less time to create a tome, and 
unlike any other job, they will tell you how close they are to competition 
when you check on their progress.  Monks now double as leatherworkers.

Leatherworkers will double as butchers, when they have free time.

Hopefully combining the suggestions of so many people, the message mute list 
has finally been finished.  Press shift and ` (grauve key) to bring it up, 
arrow through it, and press enter to toggle the settings.  These settings 
are remembered from game to game, so don't forget that you've muted 
something.  Rather than being job specific, many of the messages are now 
more generalized ideas such as the delivery of raw materials.  As always, 
I'm open to suggestions for adjusting this system, so please give it a try 
and see if you like it.

The Readme.txt, Buildingguide.txt, and jobs guide.rft files have all been 
updated.  the Jobs guide now includes information about how upgrading 
different jobs changes them.

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Re: [Audyssey] Castaways version 1.5b Random maps, muting, and leatherworkers

2011-08-01 Thread Kelvin Tan

hi. i just successfuly completed mission 2! i think i found a few bugs. from 
what i understand from this new version, monks can also double as leather 
workers, but what happens each time is that they took my fur, but it just 
disappeared off the face of the earth. when i use the d and f keys to go to 
the monk, the game tells me that the monk is replacing as a leather worker, 
but a leather wasn't produce at all. the same thing is happening when 
tailors replaces a weether. the yarn just got absorbed. i'm quite sure about 
the monk bug because i intentionally did not allocate any leather workers 
and see where all my furs in my tamary went. maybe the monks decided to eat 
them! hahaha.
- Original Message - 
From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com
To: audyssey gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:34 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Castaways version 1.5b Random maps, muting,and 
leatherworkers


Version 1.5b has just been posted.  I am still working on the multi language 
feature, the multiplayer features, and the ability to change the priorities 
of your workers, but I did get enough stuff done that I felt a new update 
was in order.

When you go to play a mission, you will notice a new field in the menu list. 
Default map means that you will play the mission using the map designed to 
go along with this mission.  Pressing enter on this selection will change it 
to Random map.  Random maps will provide an extra challenge, because they 
were not specifically designed to control how quickly things happened.  For 
example, if there is randomly more open space leading off of the map, then 
Goblins will have more places to invade in from.

To keep things as stable as possible, picking the random map option actually 
randomizes in a somewhat unusual way.  The size of the map will remain the 
same, and water landmarks will not be changed.  All of the trees and rocks 
are randomly moved around but you still end up with the same number of each. 
Also, the number of trees and rocks that normally fell along the outer edges 
of the map will still be the same, as an effort to give the Goblins 
approximately the same number of ways into your land.

When you use delete to destroy a building you have already built, you will 
receive half of the construction materials back as salvaged supplies.  If 
the number of supplies can't be evenly divided in half, it is rounded up to 
the next whole number.  So destroying a house, which originally cost you 3 
lumber and 3 bricks, would give you 2 lumber and 2 bricks back.

To balance things differently, Butchers are only able to create a fur 33 
percent of the time they work on an animal carcass.  Many users reported a 
huge stockpile of furs building up as they played, and I felt the need to 
change things around a little.  Upgraded butchers are 66 percent successful 
at salvaging furs.

Monks no longer use cloth to create tomes!  Peasants will carry furs to your 
new Tannery, where a leatherworker will transform 1 fur into 1 piece of 
leather.  3 pieces of leather are now required to create a tome.  The 
leather working chain will be expanded upon in mission 3, when that is 
eventually added.  Monks now take 25 percent less time to create a tome, and 
unlike any other job, they will tell you how close they are to competition 
when you check on their progress.  Monks now double as leatherworkers.

Leatherworkers will double as butchers, when they have free time.

Hopefully combining the suggestions of so many people, the message mute list 
has finally been finished.  Press shift and ` (grauve key) to bring it up, 
arrow through it, and press enter to toggle the settings.  These settings 
are remembered from game to game, so don't forget that you've muted 
something.  Rather than being job specific, many of the messages are now 
more generalized ideas such as the delivery of raw materials.  As always, 
I'm open to suggestions for adjusting this system, so please give it a try 
and see if you like it.

The Readme.txt, Buildingguide.txt, and jobs guide.rft files have all been 
updated.  the Jobs guide now includes information about how upgrading 
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Re: [Audyssey] About the mag

2011-08-01 Thread Darren Duff

 volunteer to do it himself, lol!
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Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for July 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Shane Lowe

very nice Tom. smiles

- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for July 2011

Hi,

Wow! Dark definitely wins the chat award for this month. He has me
beat by 65 messages. I'm losing my touch. I'll get you next time,
Gadget. Next time. Hehehehe.

Cheers!

On 8/1/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:

 112 people posted 1703 messages.

 258 From, dark.
 202 From, Jeremy Kaldobsky.
 193 From, Thomas Ward.
 94 From, Jim Kitchen.
 74 From, shaun everiss.
 60 From, darren harris.
 60 From, Hayden Presley.
 52 From, Christina.
 48 From, Bryan Peterson.
 39 From, Christopher Bartlett.
 33 From, Charles Rivard.
 27 From, alex wallis.
 24 From, Ron Schamerhorn.
 20 From, Phil Vlasak.
 19 From, Shane Lowe.
 19 From, Yohandy.
 18 From, Willem.
 17 From, Che.
 16 From, Curt Taubert.
 15 From, burakyuksek.
 15 From, Zachary Kline.
 14 From, Darren Duff.
 14 From, william lomas.
 12 From, Clement Chou.
 12 From, Jack F.
 12 From, Milos Przic.
 12 From, Valiant8086.
 11 From, Amanda Burt.
 11 From, Damien C. Pendleton.
 11 From, Karl Belanger.
 10 From, Ben.
 10 From, Oriol Gómez.
 10 From, Richard Sherman.
 9 From, brian glass.
 9 From, Jacob Kruger.
 9 From, john.
 8 From, David Mehler.
 8 From, Kelly Sapergia.
 7 From, Alfredo.
 7 From, Lisa Hayes.
 7 From, Sky Mundell.
 6 From, Dakotah Rickard.
 6 From, Kelvin Tan.
 6 From, Lori Duncan.
 6 From, mattias.
 6 From, michael barnes.
 6 From, Shane Davidson.
 6 From, Trouble.
 5 From, Greg Steel.
 5 From, Mauricio Almeida.
 5 From, Michael Taboada \(AI5HF\).
 5 From, Ryan Strunk.
 5 From, simon dowling.
 5 From, Willem Venter.
 4 From, Courtney Curran.
 4 From, Dallas O'Brien.
 4 From, Dennis Towne.
 4 From, fred olver.
 4 From, GreyMatter Info.
 4 From, Jess Varnell.
 4 From, Kenny Peyatt.
 4 From, lori duncan.
 4 From, Matheus Rheine.
 4 From, Richard Claridge.
 4 From, Siddhant Jain.
 4 From, Tim Kilgore.
 3 From, aadorno1.
 3 From, Alfredo Castaneda.
 3 From, BlindLee55.
 3 From, Cary.
 3 From, djc.
 3 From, Loravara.
 3 From, Mich.
 3 From, Sarah Haake.
 2 From, austin pinto.
 2 From, Bill Dengler.
 2 From, Bob Montowski.
 2 From, Bogdan Muresan.
 2 From, bryant walker.
 2 From, darren_g_harris.
 2 From, James Howard.
 2 From, mike maslo.
 2 From, Orin.
 2 From, Petr Bláha.
 2 From, Rick.
 2 From, Ron Kolesar.
 2 From, Ryan Conroy.
 2 From, Steven Strait.
 2 From, Tyriannette T. Snowden.
 1 From, Angela Lerma.
 1 From, Angellko21.
 1 From, Ann.
 1 From, David Chung.
 1 From, Dean Masters.
 1 From, Desiree Oudinot.
 1 From, Eleanor Robinson.
 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot.
 1 From, Gary Whittington.
 1 From, Hayden.
 1 From, Jane.
 1 From, Joe Quinn.
 1 From, Johnny Tai.
 1 From, Kai.
 1 From, Keao Wright.
 1 From, kev lyon.
 1 From, Konsta Ranta.
 1 From, lirin.
 1 From, Matthew Alvernaz.
 1 From, Michael Taboada.
 1 From, Oriol Gómez (iPhone).
 1 From, Tom Randall.
 1 From, Tommy.

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Re: [Audyssey] Castaways Observations

Kai, I'm glad you're enjoying the game, and you've made some very good 
suggestions.  There were a lot, so I will just say that I've copied them all 
down, rather than commenting on each one individually, lol.  A few of them, 
like the issues with the tomes, have been noticed by other people as well, I 
just haven't gotten around to fixing them yet.  Hopefully in the next version 
you'll see many of these fixes, and thanks again!

 Greetings Jeremy et al.
 
 Really loving Castaways. Strategy games like this can
 entertain me for hours
 on end, and you've done a great job on this one.
 Below are a few observations and suggestions I have on the
 game as of 1.4B
 (I'll be updating to 1.5B soon):
 
 * Destroying a building leaves you in the menu entry for
 that item, perhaps
 it should drop you back to the map, the way constructing
 one does?
 
 * Could the key assignments be changed a bit? Shift +
 letter to move to a
 column as normal, alt+letter to perform a special function,
 CTRL + letter to
 jump between career choices.
 
 * If this command scheme is implemented, perhaps the input
 algorithm could
 be updated? It currently passes a modified command through
 all available
 functions for that letter. Pressing Shift + E, for
 instance, moves me to
 that column, but also navigates through my list of
 occupations. Similarly,
 Shift + U performs an upgrade on a target, but also takes
 me to that Column.
 
 *Tomes should only work on the base career, not any
 substitutions. I've gone
 to upgrade a builder who was currently working as a
 peasant, only to have it
 become a surf, not an architect.
 
 * Assuming the above suggestion is implemented: If an
 upgrade target is
 currently occupied with another job, the upgrade should
 queue itself, rather
 than instantly changing the target.
 
 * In the line which states that a mother cannot be assigned
 a job, it says:
 is be without its mother. The is should be a to.
 
 * Could pressing f1 within the buildings list give the
 description for that
 kind of building? The only way to see that description
 currently is to queue
 the building for construction, then enter its menu and
 arrow down to the
 description (or, of course, to look in the included RTF).
 
 * I think there's a small typo with the second occurrence
 of upgraded in
 the help message displayed when hitting u.
 
 * In that same message, it says: But the ones that can,
 permanently locked
 in place. Should be something like: but the ones that can
 are permanently
 locked in place.
 
 * When changing to an output mode (JAWS, Window-Eyes, Etc),
 alt-tabbing away
 than back to the game window sometimes displays erroneous
 data at the top
 (It says Window-Eyes support for me, though I'm clearly
 using JAWS mode). It
 strangely doesn't do it if I first hit an arrow key to move
 to another map
 sector, then do the window switching.
 
 * Small suggestion: Can we hit f2 or n when highlighting
 a person to
 rename him/her? Probably shouldn't work on settlers gotten
 through
 multiplayer mode, though.
 
 Awesome work, as always.
 
 Kai


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Re: [Audyssey] Castaways version 1.5b Random maps, muting, and leatherworkers

Kelvin, that's very odd indeed.  I haven't encountered that weird behavior when 
I played through myself, so if you happen to have a saved game file I would 
appreciate having it sent to me.

 hi. i just successfuly completed
 mission 2! i think i found a few bugs. from 
 what i understand from this new version, monks can also
 double as leather 
 workers, but what happens each time is that they took my
 fur, but it just 
 disappeared off the face of the earth. when i use the d and
 f keys to go to 
 the monk, the game tells me that the monk is replacing as a
 leather worker, 
 but a leather wasn't produce at all. the same thing is
 happening when 
 tailors replaces a weether. the yarn just got absorbed. i'm
 quite sure about 
 the monk bug because i intentionally did not allocate any
 leather workers 
 and see where all my furs in my tamary went. maybe the
 monks decided to eat 
 them! hahaha.


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Re: [Audyssey] Castaways version 1.5b Random maps, muting, and leatherworkers

I'll look into this one as well.  I think you're probably right, there is 
probably an older line of code also trying to process the S key for another 
function.

 1 more that i forgot to mention. when
 i press control s to assign someone as 
 a stone mason, it will assign that person to the next job
 thats on the right 
 of the stone mason job. depending on what buildings u have
 up at the time, 
 the assignment will not be correct. i think there is a key
 clash for the s 
 key when control s is pressed, it somehow added another s
 after that.


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Re: [Audyssey] Castaways version 1.5b Random maps, muting, and leatherworkers

2011-08-01 Thread Kelvin Tan

sorry man. i did not have a save game on that time, i will save a game after 
i encounter the monk/tailor thingy again next time ok.
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From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Castaways version 1.5b Random maps, muting,and 
leatherworkers

Kelvin, that's very odd indeed.  I haven't encountered that weird behavior 
when I played through myself, so if you happen to have a saved game file I 
would appreciate having it sent to me.

 hi. i just successfuly completed
 mission 2! i think i found a few bugs. from
 what i understand from this new version, monks can also
 double as leather
 workers, but what happens each time is that they took my
 fur, but it just
 disappeared off the face of the earth. when i use the d and
 f keys to go to
 the monk, the game tells me that the monk is replacing as a
 leather worker,
 but a leather wasn't produce at all. the same thing is
 happening when
 tailors replaces a weether. the yarn just got absorbed. i'm
 quite sure about
 the monk bug because i intentionally did not allocate any
 leather workers
 and see where all my furs in my tamary went. maybe the
 monks decided to eat
 them! hahaha.

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[Audyssey] High score list for developers

Ryan, your post yesterday gave me an idea that I wanted to run past you, and 
really everyone for that matter.  It occurred to me that quite a few arcade 
style games get posted, that don't support online high score lists.  In most 
cases I'm sure this is due to lack of equipment or not knowing how to handle 
the server side of things.  Since I've got the community supporting a server 
for my games, I thought I could help solve those 2 barriers that have been 
getting in the way.

I'm still figuring out how best to set this up, but here is the idea.  I 
adjusted the software on my server to handle high score lists.  Developers who 
have games will contact me and I'll send them an 11 digit password along with a 
small 8kb file called hsa.exe.  In your game, written in python I believe, you 
can simply run that file and pass it a command line argument that contains the 
password, the person's score, and their player name.  Obviously your game would 
have to have its own way of getting the player's name, but that's nothing 
difficult.  The little program contacts my server and passes the information 
along, all in the background, with no one even knowing what happened.  The 
server accepts the data if the password is correct, and it does the work of 
putting them on your high score list based on score.  When people view the 
webpage, they can easily see the rankings.

Here is the example I currently have running, for testing purposes.
http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/highscores.htm
The webpage side of things probably needs to be made more accessible, but 
please take a look.  

Each different setting of your game, like grid size, number of blocks, and so 
forth, would have its own password so that it would have its own high score 
list.  The 2 lines at the top, the 1 line at the bottom, and the number of 
people in the high score list can all be set using a separate admin program 
that I would also give out to the developers.  The tiny hsa.exe file would be 
sent along with your games, but the admin program would be kept with you of 
course.

I'm just wondering if this type of idea would provide easy high score tracking 
for our large group of developers that aren't already using high score lists.  
With this test high score list I've got running, I'm encouraging people to play 
around with it and see how it works.  The hsa.exe file can be downloaded here.
www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/hsa.zip
Just put it into your game's directory, and execute it with the command 
argument from within your game.  The password for this practice score list is 
398-093-129, so here are some specific examples of how you can submit high 
scores.

If you had a player named Goblin, and he just ended a game with 45 points, here 
is how you could submit that score from within a python game.
import os
os.system(hsa.exe 398-093-129,45,Goblin)

From within a Visual basic 6 game.
x = shell(hsa.exe 398-093-129,45,Goblin,0)

Or even from a dos batch file.
hsa.exe 398-093-129,45,Goblin

Give it a try and please let me know if you guys think this is a good idea, and 
if you think other developers would actually want to use it.

 Hey Jeremy,
 Thanks for the kind words.
 High score posting is something I'd like to move to
 eventually. I'll need to
 learn to work with the web development side of things
 first, though. Since I
 intend for the rest of my titles to have a great deal of
 focus on
 multiplayer, I'll have an excellent opportunity to do that
 learning. I'll
 also need to work in some sort of limitation system so that
 players who are
 careful and strategic don't end up losing out to people who
 just crush
 things pell-mell and get lucky. And then there's the fact
 that a game set to
 gigantic, megashift, 3 types can't, in my experience, be
 lost. It sure is
 fun to break things, though.
 Ryan


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Re: [Audyssey] High score list for developers

2011-08-01 Thread Philip Bennefall


Hi Jeremy,

While I already have my own score server that I built especially for use in 
BGT, I just wanted to say that I think this is an absolutely fabulous idea. 
You have a very simple approach that will work regardless of programming 
language, as long as the environment at hand can call external processes. 
Two things you may want to consider:


1. Returning a value from the main function that can be picked up by the 
caller, in order to determine the result of the operation. 0 could mean that 
the user's score was accepted but not high enough to make the top x 
(whatever you decide upon), another positive value could indicate the user's 
ranking and a negative value could be an error code. Not everyone may be 
able to or interested in picking up this value, but I personally think it'd 
be a great feature to provide.


2. If you are writing this in Vb 6, you should make it clear that developers 
need to package the vb 6 runtime libraries in their installer in order for 
the score posting to work. I can imagine that some might overlook this 
otherwise, and then wonder why the score posting isn't functioning )=.


Again, an excellent initiative and I hope it's picked up by other 
developers.


Kind regards,

Philip Bennefall
- Original Message - 
From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:01 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] High score list for developers


Ryan, your post yesterday gave me an idea that I wanted to run past you, and 
really everyone for that matter.  It occurred to me that quite a few arcade 
style games get posted, that don't support online high score lists.  In most 
cases I'm sure this is due to lack of equipment or not knowing how to handle 
the server side of things.  Since I've got the community supporting a server 
for my games, I thought I could help solve those 2 barriers that have been 
getting in the way.


I'm still figuring out how best to set this up, but here is the idea.  I 
adjusted the software on my server to handle high score lists.  Developers 
who have games will contact me and I'll send them an 11 digit password along 
with a small 8kb file called hsa.exe.  In your game, written in python I 
believe, you can simply run that file and pass it a command line argument 
that contains the password, the person's score, and their player name. 
Obviously your game would have to have its own way of getting the player's 
name, but that's nothing difficult.  The little program contacts my server 
and passes the information along, all in the background, with no one even 
knowing what happened.  The server accepts the data if the password is 
correct, and it does the work of putting them on your high score list based 
on score.  When people view the webpage, they can easily see the rankings.


Here is the example I currently have running, for testing purposes.
http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/highscores.htm
The webpage side of things probably needs to be made more accessible, but 
please take a look.


Each different setting of your game, like grid size, number of blocks, and 
so forth, would have its own password so that it would have its own high 
score list.  The 2 lines at the top, the 1 line at the bottom, and the 
number of people in the high score list can all be set using a separate 
admin program that I would also give out to the developers.  The tiny 
hsa.exe file would be sent along with your games, but the admin program 
would be kept with you of course.


I'm just wondering if this type of idea would provide easy high score 
tracking for our large group of developers that aren't already using high 
score lists.  With this test high score list I've got running, I'm 
encouraging people to play around with it and see how it works.  The hsa.exe 
file can be downloaded here.

www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/hsa.zip
Just put it into your game's directory, and execute it with the command 
argument from within your game.  The password for this practice score list 
is 398-093-129, so here are some specific examples of how you can submit 
high scores.


If you had a player named Goblin, and he just ended a game with 45 points, 
here is how you could submit that score from within a python game.

import os
os.system(hsa.exe 398-093-129,45,Goblin)


From within a Visual basic 6 game.

x = shell(hsa.exe 398-093-129,45,Goblin,0)

Or even from a dos batch file.
hsa.exe 398-093-129,45,Goblin

Give it a try and please let me know if you guys think this is a good idea, 
and if you think other developers would actually want to use it.



Hey Jeremy,
Thanks for the kind words.
High score posting is something I'd like to move to
eventually. I'll need to
learn to work with the web development side of things
first, though. Since I
intend for the rest of my titles to have a great deal of
focus on
multiplayer, I'll have an excellent opportunity to do that
learning. I'll
also need to work in some sort of

Re: [Audyssey] High score list for developers

Thanks Philip, I really do like your idea of returning a value to indicate 
those situations!  Very nice idea indeed.  I haven't really used BGT, do you 
happen to know how the language would execute the external program?  I'd like 
to put an example for BGT, since I'm sure many of my target developers will be 
using it.

 Hi Jeremy,
 
 While I already have my own score server that I built
 especially for use in BGT, I just wanted to say that I think
 this is an absolutely fabulous idea. You have a very simple
 approach that will work regardless of programming language,
 as long as the environment at hand can call external
 processes. Two things you may want to consider:
 
 1. Returning a value from the main function that can be
 picked up by the caller, in order to determine the result of
 the operation. 0 could mean that the user's score was
 accepted but not high enough to make the top x (whatever you
 decide upon), another positive value could indicate the
 user's ranking and a negative value could be an error code.
 Not everyone may be able to or interested in picking up this
 value, but I personally think it'd be a great feature to
 provide.
 
 2. If you are writing this in Vb 6, you should make it
 clear that developers need to package the vb 6 runtime
 libraries in their installer in order for the score posting
 to work. I can imagine that some might overlook this
 otherwise, and then wonder why the score posting isn't
 functioning )=.
 
 Again, an excellent initiative and I hope it's picked up by
 other developers.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Philip Bennefall


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Re: [Audyssey] High score list for developers

2011-08-01 Thread Philip Bennefall


Hi Jeremy,

A blocking process call would look as follows in BGT:

run(hsa.exe, 398-093-129,45,Goblin, true, true);

The run function has the following signature:

bool run(string filename, string command_line, bool wait_for_completion, 
bool background)


In other words we are running the process in the background (e.g. with no 
visible window even if the application does have one), and we are waiting 
for it to complete before our script thread continues executing. Currently 
it is not possible to pick up the process return code from within BGT but if 
you end up adding bindings for BGT and they are used, I will certainly 
implement this feature.


Kind regards,

Philip Bennefall
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From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com

To: phi...@blastbay.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] High score list for developers


Thanks Philip, I really do like your idea of returning a value to indicate 
those situations!  Very nice idea indeed.  I haven't really used BGT, do you 
happen to know how the language would execute the external program?  I'd 
like to put an example for BGT, since I'm sure many of my target developers 
will be using it.



Hi Jeremy,

While I already have my own score server that I built
especially for use in BGT, I just wanted to say that I think
this is an absolutely fabulous idea. You have a very simple
approach that will work regardless of programming language,
as long as the environment at hand can call external
processes. Two things you may want to consider:

1. Returning a value from the main function that can be
picked up by the caller, in order to determine the result of
the operation. 0 could mean that the user's score was
accepted but not high enough to make the top x (whatever you
decide upon), another positive value could indicate the
user's ranking and a negative value could be an error code.
Not everyone may be able to or interested in picking up this
value, but I personally think it'd be a great feature to
provide.

2. If you are writing this in Vb 6, you should make it
clear that developers need to package the vb 6 runtime
libraries in their installer in order for the score posting
to work. I can imagine that some might overlook this
otherwise, and then wonder why the score posting isn't
functioning )=.

Again, an excellent initiative and I hope it's picked up by
other developers.

Kind regards,

Philip Bennefall



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Re: [Audyssey] High score list for developers

Excellent!  Thanks Philip, and I've actually just uploaded a new version of 
hsa.exe (high score automator) that includes the necessary runtime files in the 
zip and it also passes return codes.  For now, it only returns 0 for success 
and -1 for failure.  Knowing where you placed on the list will require me to 
change around much of the server code so I'll save that for later. 

 Hi Jeremy,
 
 A blocking process call would look as follows in BGT:
 
 run(hsa.exe, 398-093-129,45,Goblin, true, true);
 
 The run function has the following signature:
 
 bool run(string filename, string command_line, bool
 wait_for_completion, bool background)
 
 In other words we are running the process in the background
 (e.g. with no visible window even if the application does
 have one), and we are waiting for it to complete before our
 script thread continues executing. Currently it is not
 possible to pick up the process return code from within BGT
 but if you end up adding bindings for BGT and they are used,
 I will certainly implement this feature.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Philip Bennefall


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