Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
I agree. Maybe your score will not be taken into account if you play the randomized game or there should be two scoreboards. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge. If we are going to be competing for a high score, the adition of treasures and monsters would enable a higher score based on the luck of the draw. I like the idea of having dual modes--one classic and the other randomized if it can be done. -- God loves everyone, but probably prefers fruits of the spirit over religious nuts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge. Hi all, I know this has been a topic of interest of late so I thought I would put this out here under it's own topic in the hopes of generating an informative discussion that will aid in making Monty a better game for all. From what I have read here allot of folks are interested in some randomisation in the game. As I have pointed out the original game had no randomisation, but that doesn't mean though that some randomisation can't be added. For example, allot of gamers are interested in randomising where the monsters and treasures are. For technical reasons I am not prepared at this point to rewrite a large part of the 1.0 engine to add this kind of randomisation. However, I do have an alternative that perhaps some of you might be satisfied with. There are allot of treasures, weapons, etc laying around the temples. One way of randomising the game is simply by randomising how many gems, gold coins, and swords are on that particular level. You might play one game and only find two swords on level 1, and in the next find 4 or 5 swords. That would drastically change your score as well as how many weapons you have to use against your enemies. I've also looked at when placing a monster in a room rather than statically plae it's starting location randomly placing it in the room so that where it starts is different, and sometimes monsters will be closer together in one game, but fara apart in the next. While at the same time keeping the originalaty of the game, by still having the monsters in the rooms they are suppose to be in. What do you all think? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi, My guess is the easiest way to create maps for an end user is to use xml files with a series of variables. Then, all the end user would need do is phil in the values they want for walls, monsters, etc and drop it in the folder. For example, WallBottom=30 WallTop=21, and so on. That is certainly allot easier than what I am doing which is a loop like for (int i = 21; i 30; i++) temple.Add(wall, 0, i); I could still have the engine do that, but read from the variables in the xml data file. Trenton Matthews wrote: Hmm. I wonder if the map editor could be like the one that's used for the game Dynaman. Of course then the question would be, how complex could the person make their own levels for Monty? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
[Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi all, I know this has been a topic of interest of late so I thought I would put this out here under it's own topic in the hopes of generating an informative discussion that will aid in making Monty a better game for all. From what I have read here allot of folks are interested in some randomisation in the game. As I have pointed out the original game had no randomisation, but that doesn't mean though that some randomisation can't be added. For example, allot of gamers are interested in randomising where the monsters and treasures are. For technical reasons I am not prepared at this point to rewrite a large part of the 1.0 engine to add this kind of randomisation. However, I do have an alternative that perhaps some of you might be satisfied with. There are allot of treasures, weapons, etc laying around the temples. One way of randomising the game is simply by randomising how many gems, gold coins, and swords are on that particular level. You might play one game and only find two swords on level 1, and in the next find 4 or 5 swords. That would drastically change your score as well as how many weapons you have to use against your enemies. I've also looked at when placing a monster in a room rather than statically plae it's starting location randomly placing it in the room so that where it starts is different, and sometimes monsters will be closer together in one game, but fara apart in the next. While at the same time keeping the originalaty of the game, by still having the monsters in the rooms they are suppose to be in. What do you all think? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi Tom and all. I for one think that that is a good idea. Even though I haven't played Monty since it doesn't seem to work on my pc smile. well those are just my thoughts. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge. Hi all, I know this has been a topic of interest of late so I thought I would put this out here under it's own topic in the hopes of generating an informative discussion that will aid in making Monty a better game for all. From what I have read here allot of folks are interested in some randomisation in the game. As I have pointed out the original game had no randomisation, but that doesn't mean though that some randomisation can't be added. For example, allot of gamers are interested in randomising where the monsters and treasures are. For technical reasons I am not prepared at this point to rewrite a large part of the 1.0 engine to add this kind of randomisation. However, I do have an alternative that perhaps some of you might be satisfied with. There are allot of treasures, weapons, etc laying around the temples. One way of randomising the game is simply by randomising how many gems, gold coins, and swords are on that particular level. You might play one game and only find two swords on level 1, and in the next find 4 or 5 swords. That would drastically change your score as well as how many weapons you have to use against your enemies. I've also looked at when placing a monster in a room rather than statically plae it's starting location randomly placing it in the room so that where it starts is different, and sometimes monsters will be closer together in one game, but fara apart in the next. While at the same time keeping the originalaty of the game, by still having the monsters in the rooms they are suppose to be in. What do you all think? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Personally, I feel that if it can be done without too much difficulty, you might consider adding a second mode of play to the game at a later time. So you could have classic Monty with the monsters and things in fixed locations, then another mode where it's a bit more random. Or perhaps the randomization could come into play on higher experience levels. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge. Hi all, I know this has been a topic of interest of late so I thought I would put this out here under it's own topic in the hopes of generating an informative discussion that will aid in making Monty a better game for all. From what I have read here allot of folks are interested in some randomisation in the game. As I have pointed out the original game had no randomisation, but that doesn't mean though that some randomisation can't be added. For example, allot of gamers are interested in randomising where the monsters and treasures are. For technical reasons I am not prepared at this point to rewrite a large part of the 1.0 engine to add this kind of randomisation. However, I do have an alternative that perhaps some of you might be satisfied with. There are allot of treasures, weapons, etc laying around the temples. One way of randomising the game is simply by randomising how many gems, gold coins, and swords are on that particular level. You might play one game and only find two swords on level 1, and in the next find 4 or 5 swords. That would drastically change your score as well as how many weapons you have to use against your enemies. I've also looked at when placing a monster in a room rather than statically plae it's starting location randomly placing it in the room so that where it starts is different, and sometimes monsters will be closer together in one game, but fara apart in the next. While at the same time keeping the originalaty of the game, by still having the monsters in the rooms they are suppose to be in. What do you all think? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi Thomas and list, ok, here come my thoughts about randomization: I personally love the idea of Monty to be as close to the original Atari-Game as possible and when I remember the orginal correctly, there was no randomization in it. For me it would break the originality of the game to have randomization in it. I often played games like Monty in the past when I could stil play sighted games and I simply loved them. For me it was really amazing when I heard of Monty, that it would be as orginal as possible. So, for me the randomization is not really apealing. But I also understand the people who would like to have some randomization in the game. Perhaps you could add the randomization as an optional feature? For example, in the options menu you could choose whether you would like to have randomization in the game or not? This way, everyone who wants to have randomization in the game can have it, and everyone who wants to play the original game as original as possible without any randomization can stil do that. I personally would like this solution if it is possible. Well, that was my humble opinion on the matter. :-) Regards Sarah -- Amicus certus in re incerta cernitur. (Einen sicheren Freund erkennt man in unsicherer Sache.) Cicero ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
If we are going to be competing for a high score, the adition of treasures and monsters would enable a higher score based on the luck of the draw. I like the idea of having dual modes--one classic and the other randomized if it can be done. -- God loves everyone, but probably prefers fruits of the spirit over religious nuts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge. Hi all, I know this has been a topic of interest of late so I thought I would put this out here under it's own topic in the hopes of generating an informative discussion that will aid in making Monty a better game for all. From what I have read here allot of folks are interested in some randomisation in the game. As I have pointed out the original game had no randomisation, but that doesn't mean though that some randomisation can't be added. For example, allot of gamers are interested in randomising where the monsters and treasures are. For technical reasons I am not prepared at this point to rewrite a large part of the 1.0 engine to add this kind of randomisation. However, I do have an alternative that perhaps some of you might be satisfied with. There are allot of treasures, weapons, etc laying around the temples. One way of randomising the game is simply by randomising how many gems, gold coins, and swords are on that particular level. You might play one game and only find two swords on level 1, and in the next find 4 or 5 swords. That would drastically change your score as well as how many weapons you have to use against your enemies. I've also looked at when placing a monster in a room rather than statically plae it's starting location randomly placing it in the room so that where it starts is different, and sometimes monsters will be closer together in one game, but fara apart in the next. While at the same time keeping the originalaty of the game, by still having the monsters in the rooms they are suppose to be in. What do you all think? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi Thomas, I assume you have programmed a map creation tool for Monty. Is this going to be released in some form to the players of the game so custom levels can be made? I can tell you from my experience with RR that this will greatly expand the longevity of your game, and give the players maps that can be swapped and tested. Just my two cents, but if it were me, I wouldn't spend time worrying about randomization, but instead create a player friendly map maker, this feature alone will probably get you many sales you otherwise would not have, as well as keep buzz going for the game much longer than it might without it. Just my opinion, that and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee. Later, Che ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Go for it! Nice idea! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge. Hi all, I know this has been a topic of interest of late so I thought I would put this out here under it's own topic in the hopes of generating an informative discussion that will aid in making Monty a better game for all. From what I have read here allot of folks are interested in some randomisation in the game. As I have pointed out the original game had no randomisation, but that doesn't mean though that some randomisation can't be added. For example, allot of gamers are interested in randomising where the monsters and treasures are. For technical reasons I am not prepared at this point to rewrite a large part of the 1.0 engine to add this kind of randomisation. However, I do have an alternative that perhaps some of you might be satisfied with. There are allot of treasures, weapons, etc laying around the temples. One way of randomising the game is simply by randomising how many gems, gold coins, and swords are on that particular level. You might play one game and only find two swords on level 1, and in the next find 4 or 5 swords. That would drastically change your score as well as how many weapons you have to use against your enemies. I've also looked at when placing a monster in a room rather than statically plae it's starting location randomly placing it in the room so that where it starts is different, and sometimes monsters will be closer together in one game, but fara apart in the next. While at the same time keeping the originalaty of the game, by still having the monsters in the rooms they are suppose to be in. What do you all think? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi Che, I have a program that builds map files, but unfortunately it requires a solid knolege of my underlying game engine API, and a good firm knolege of C#.Net. I'd have to find a good way to allow users to script their own levels using xml or something much easier. I like the concept, and I think a end user map making utility might be something I should look at for version 2.0 or at least a future update after 1.0. Che wrote: Hi Thomas, I assume you have programmed a map creation tool for Monty. Is this going to be released in some form to the players of the game so custom levels can be made? I can tell you from my experience with RR that this will greatly expand the longevity of your game, and give the players maps that can be swapped and tested. Just my two cents, but if it were me, I wouldn't spend time worrying about randomization, but instead create a player friendly map maker, this feature alone will probably get you many sales you otherwise would not have, as well as keep buzz going for the game much longer than it might without it. Just my opinion, that and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee. Later, Che ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi Bryan, Yes, I could do that. After the difficulty screen have a prompt ask you if you want to play classic monty or if you want to play with random objects, etc. Good thought. Bryan Peterson wrote: Personally, I feel that if it can be done without too much difficulty, you might consider adding a second mode of play to the game at a later time. So you could have classic Monty with the monsters and things in fixed locations, then another mode where it's a bit more random. Or perhaps the randomization could come into play on higher experience levels. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi Charles, yes, it can certainly be done. As I was saying to brandon what I am thinking based on your immediate thoughts is have a menu pop up asking you if you want to play classic or randomised. That will come in a later upgrade after 1.0. Charles Rivard wrote: If we are going to be competing for a high score, the adition of treasures and monsters would enable a higher score based on the luck of the draw. I like the idea of having dual modes--one classic and the other randomized if it can be done. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Hmm. I wonder if the map editor could be like the one that's used for the game Dynaman. Of course then the question would be, how complex could the person make their own levels for Monty? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge. Hi Che, I have a program that builds map files, but unfortunately it requires a solid knolege of my underlying game engine API, and a good firm knolege of C#.Net. I'd have to find a good way to allow users to script their own levels using xml or something much easier. I like the concept, and I think a end user map making utility might be something I should look at for version 2.0 or at least a future update after 1.0. Che wrote: Hi Thomas, I assume you have programmed a map creation tool for Monty. Is this going to be released in some form to the players of the game so custom levels can be made? I can tell you from my experience with RR that this will greatly expand the longevity of your game, and give the players maps that can be swapped and tested. Just my two cents, but if it were me, I wouldn't spend time worrying about randomization, but instead create a player friendly map maker, this feature alone will probably get you many sales you otherwise would not have, as well as keep buzz going for the game much longer than it might without it. Just my opinion, that and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee. Later, Che ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge.
Hmm. Would it be better to have the option for the classic Monty game Atari Classic, or just Classic. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Randomising Montezuma's Revenge. Hi Charles, yes, it can certainly be done. As I was saying to brandon what I am thinking based on your immediate thoughts is have a menu pop up asking you if you want to play classic or randomised. That will come in a later upgrade after 1.0. Charles Rivard wrote: If we are going to be competing for a high score, the adition of treasures and monsters would enable a higher score based on the luck of the draw. I like the idea of having dual modes--one classic and the other randomized if it can be done. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] randomising
Should send this off to All in Play.
I keep getting the same cards. Smiles.
Their three lines of code that they show on their site, don't account for
waiting. They don't want to admit the trueth about getting a random number
from what time it is.
Thanks for your code on how to randomize a value Tom.
Gary
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From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] randomising
Hi Nicol,
Nicol wrote:
I would very much like to know how its possible for the computer to
randomise.
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Well, actually it isn't very complex, but you will have rto write a
function which does a few things such as seed the randomize function you
are making with the computers time, select a number, and then return it
to the variable calling it. In C#.NET a function to randomly select a
random number would look like this. Make sure say all punctuation is on
and your message window is maximized.
public int RandomNumber(int low, int high)
{
// First we need a temperary random seed object
// to seed our generator.
Random seed = new Random();
// Now, we will advance the seed with the system time
// and store it in the time variable.
int time = seed.Next();
// At this point we will create a random object for
// randomly generating numbers,
// and seed it with the time.
Random select = new Random(time);
// Now, we will select a number from the low and high numbers,
// and then add 1.
int number = select.Next(low, high) + 1;
// Return our random number.
return number;
}
A couple of notes is in .net apps you can also make an call to the
active thread to sleep or wait for so many milliseconds so as to allow
the time on the clock to change. Without changing the time you will
return the same number over and over again. To pause the thread in C#
.net you would use
Thread.Sleep(10;
which would grab the active thread and pause it for 10 ms.
So to use this function it would look like
Thread.Sleep(10);
dice1 = RandomNumber(1, 6);
Thread.Sleep(10);
dice2 = RandomNumber(1, 6);
Which would roll to dice for you and all you need from there is display
or do something based on the dice roll.
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[Audyssey] randomising
HI all I would very much like to know how its possible for the computer to randomise. Take a game like pipe2. How did they program the game so that the computer randomly choose an item. Randomising sounds to me like a supernatural thing. I know that programmers puts if statements into their code:if this happens do this. but how do they write a program to randomise; to randomly pick an item from others? I think this is how dice games such as jims' games and GMA dice works. The moment you press a key to throw the dice the computer first plays a sound of a dice thrown and then it randomly decides on a number within a range depending on the dice you are using, because there could impossibly not be a physical dice in the cpu. How do a programmer tell the computer to randomise? Is it only one statement in his code? Does the programmer for instance put a line in his code that tells the computer: randomise? Is randomising a function built into the computer or do the programmer have to instruct the computer on how to randomise? because as far as I know, a program is a set of instructions which tasks the computer should perform. I can't play pipe2 on my computer if I don't have the program because the computer doesn't know how to present pipes to fit and side scrollers without instructions. Because randomising is, as far as i know, mostly used in games, I thought it would be appropriate to ask it here. I'm just curious how it happens that the computer gets its ability to randomise within a game. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
