Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Yeah maybe or maybe not enough, grin. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures HI Lisa, Beats me. I never got the point of that game either. Perhaps the authors were smoking too much weed when they wrote that one? :D On 9/2/12, Lisa Hayes wrote: the only infocom game I could never understand was a mind forever voyaging. What was the point of that game. Lisa Hayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
HI Lisa, Beats me. I never got the point of that game either. Perhaps the authors were smoking too much weed when they wrote that one? :D On 9/2/12, Lisa Hayes wrote: > the only infocom game I could never understand was a mind forever voyaging. > What was the point of that game. > Lisa Hayes > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
the only infocom gamei could never understand ws a mind forever voyaging. What was the point of that game. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Hi michael. there is something called zume I think, check phil's list of mac stuff. I think it will play tads, inform and adrift format games, but I have no idea whether it'll play the older zcode stuff in more unusual formats like the infocom games the way winfrotz does. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Mike Maslo" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Is there a imterperter for the mac Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:34 AM, "dark" wrote: Well kieth, the ones on http://if.illuminion.de/index.html are absolutely fine with winfrotz, indeed I checked before posting the previous message, so you might considder redownloading them from there, and opening the dat or zip files with winfrotz as I dscribed. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures then perhaps it's just the copies of these games I have that do not allow playing. Keith - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Hi. Actually Arthur, shogun etc are quite playable with the standard version of windows frotz, all you need to do is set the file type in the open dialogue to "infocom files dat, zip" and then open them, or use the winfrotz program in internet explorer to open the zip or dat file (not to be confused with compressed files or data files). the bad news is this is unique to winfrotz, filfre won't do it, and I'm not sure about the mac interpreter though I'd guess not, however isnse I personally prefer winfrotz anyway this wasn't a problem for me. hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at h
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
thanks and will check that out On Sep 2, 2012, at 10:53 AM, "dark" wrote: > Hi michael. > > there is something called zume I think, check phil's list of mac stuff. I > think it will play tads, inform and adrift format games, but I have no idea > whether it'll play the older zcode stuff in more unusual formats like the > infocom games the way winfrotz does. > > Beware the Grue! > > Dark. > - Original Message - From: "Mike Maslo" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 3:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures > > >> Is there a imterperter for the mac >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:34 AM, "dark" wrote: >> >>> Well kieth, the ones on http://if.illuminion.de/index.html are absolutely >>> fine with winfrotz, indeed I checked before posting the previous message, >>> so you might considder redownloading them from there, and opening the dat >>> or zip files with winfrotz as I dscribed. >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Dark. >>> - Original Message - From: "Keith" >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 3:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures >>> >>> >>>> then perhaps it's just the copies of these games I have that do not allow >>>> playing. >>>> >>>> Keith >>>> - Original Message - From: "dark" >>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 8:47 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi. >>>>> >>>>> Actually Arthur, shogun etc are quite playable with the standard version >>>>> of windows frotz, all you need to do is set the file type in the open >>>>> dialogue to "infocom files dat, zip" and then open them, or use the >>>>> winfrotz program in internet explorer to open the zip or dat file (not to >>>>> be confused with compressed files or data files). >>>>> >>>>> the bad news is this is unique to winfrotz, filfre won't do it, and I'm >>>>> not sure about the mac interpreter though I'd guess not, however isnse I >>>>> personally prefer winfrotz anyway this wasn't a problem for me. >>>>> >>>>> hth. >>>>> >>>>> Beware the grue! >>>>> >>>>> Dark. >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>>>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>>>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>>>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>>>> list, >>>>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
It's usually help or hints, or there are sometimes speciic hints files with the games the ways h2g2 had. beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures how do you access the hints? I've never heard of them with an infocom game, besides the invisiclues on sites. I know some text adventures allow hint clues in the games, such as the bunnicula game. Keith - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Ah kieth, obviously the site is no longer up. Still, as I said, most infocom games include the invisiclues as part of their hints now (h2g2 certainly does for instance). All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures I tried to go to this site and got a page saying something about being unable to open that page. Keith - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Actually tom, most versions of the infocom software usually hve the invisiclue hints built into them, and even those that don't the hints can be found on http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pete/Infocom/Invisiclues/ However, I really dislike a game where the choice is look at hints or remain stuck forever just because the author employed some ridiculous leap of logic that nobody in their right mind would guess. Much as I admire Douglas adams humour and his writing style, his convoluted puzzles are something I can do without, and with that bloody babel fish I tried for 20 minutes then just used the dam hints, sinse I was more interested in seeing the rest of the story than sitting there trying to work out what ridiculous action I was supposed to perform next. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
how do you access the hints? I've never heard of them with an infocom game, besides the invisiclues on sites. I know some text adventures allow hint clues in the games, such as the bunnicula game. Keith - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Ah kieth, obviously the site is no longer up. Still, as I said, most infocom games include the invisiclues as part of their hints now (h2g2 certainly does for instance). All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures I tried to go to this site and got a page saying something about being unable to open that page. Keith - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Actually tom, most versions of the infocom software usually hve the invisiclue hints built into them, and even those that don't the hints can be found on http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pete/Infocom/Invisiclues/ However, I really dislike a game where the choice is look at hints or remain stuck forever just because the author employed some ridiculous leap of logic that nobody in their right mind would guess. Much as I admire Douglas adams humour and his writing style, his convoluted puzzles are something I can do without, and with that bloody babel fish I tried for 20 minutes then just used the dam hints, sinse I was more interested in seeing the rest of the story than sitting there trying to work out what ridiculous action I was supposed to perform next. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Hi Dennis. i actually really like the puzzles in alter. The only ones I've actually been utterly stuck on thus far are that box with the shrew in hildabrand to do the church quest (which is a little impossible sinse you need someone to do the other part of the quest first), and the chess tournament, which I know requires a syntax to move. I actually really liked the curik's laire portion of the game because of this, and look forward to seeing any similar areas in the future. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Dennis Towne" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Dark, I'm the same way about old games like Zork, and it's part of the reason AA has it's "no catrub puzzles" policy. I don't like playing guessing games; I like to learn little things, and put them together in interesting ways to do other things. I like to explore and see what's going on, to learn and piece together the story. A lot of the puzzles in Zork really took away from that by throwing ridiculous roadblocks in the way of the exploration. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, dark wrote: Hi Kieth. To be honest i never even got that far in zork, in zork 1 I was always stuck on how to get the silver bar out of the echo room. I think for me what irritates me with those sorts of puzzles is that you just don't progress through them. When I play a game, I want to explore it's world and it's story. I don't mind grinding for a long time to overcome a tough enemy, or even exploring a large area so long as the exploration actually gets me somewhere, but to be constantly stuck at one point with one action required seeing the same message over and over again, whether that's a maze with unknowable rooms or a puzzle you keep trying to guess the right actions for I just find frustrating, sinse I am not seeing any progression at all. That's why i tend to just use the invisiclues, sinse ultimately I'm more interested in exploring the rest of the game and the story than just banging my head against one particular brick wall, which is probably why I don't play if anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Ah kieth, obviously the site is no longer up. Still, as I said, most infocom games include the invisiclues as part of their hints now (h2g2 certainly does for instance). All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures I tried to go to this site and got a page saying something about being unable to open that page. Keith - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Actually tom, most versions of the infocom software usually hve the invisiclue hints built into them, and even those that don't the hints can be found on http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pete/Infocom/Invisiclues/ However, I really dislike a game where the choice is look at hints or remain stuck forever just because the author employed some ridiculous leap of logic that nobody in their right mind would guess. Much as I admire Douglas adams humour and his writing style, his convoluted puzzles are something I can do without, and with that bloody babel fish I tried for 20 minutes then just used the dam hints, sinse I was more interested in seeing the rest of the story than sitting there trying to work out what ridiculous action I was supposed to perform next. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Hi michael. there is something called zume I think, check phil's list of mac stuff. I think it will play tads, inform and adrift format games, but I have no idea whether it'll play the older zcode stuff in more unusual formats like the infocom games the way winfrotz does. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Mike Maslo" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Is there a imterperter for the mac Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:34 AM, "dark" wrote: Well kieth, the ones on http://if.illuminion.de/index.html are absolutely fine with winfrotz, indeed I checked before posting the previous message, so you might considder redownloading them from there, and opening the dat or zip files with winfrotz as I dscribed. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures then perhaps it's just the copies of these games I have that do not allow playing. Keith - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Hi. Actually Arthur, shogun etc are quite playable with the standard version of windows frotz, all you need to do is set the file type in the open dialogue to "infocom files dat, zip" and then open them, or use the winfrotz program in internet explorer to open the zip or dat file (not to be confused with compressed files or data files). the bad news is this is unique to winfrotz, filfre won't do it, and I'm not sure about the mac interpreter though I'd guess not, however isnse I personally prefer winfrotz anyway this wasn't a problem for me. hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Dark, I'm the same way about old games like Zork, and it's part of the reason AA has it's "no catrub puzzles" policy. I don't like playing guessing games; I like to learn little things, and put them together in interesting ways to do other things. I like to explore and see what's going on, to learn and piece together the story. A lot of the puzzles in Zork really took away from that by throwing ridiculous roadblocks in the way of the exploration. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 8:34 AM, dark wrote: > Hi Kieth. > > To be honest i never even got that far in zork, in zork 1 I was always stuck > on how to get the silver bar out of the echo room. > > I think for me what irritates me with those sorts of puzzles is that you > just don't progress through them. > > When I play a game, I want to explore it's world and it's story. I don't > mind grinding for a long time to overcome a tough enemy, or even exploring a > large area so long as the exploration actually gets me somewhere, but to be > constantly stuck at one point with one action required seeing the same > message over and over again, whether that's a maze with unknowable rooms or > a puzzle you keep trying to guess the right actions for I just find > frustrating, sinse I am not seeing any progression at all. > > That's why i tend to just use the invisiclues, sinse ultimately I'm more > interested in exploring the rest of the game and the story than just banging > my head against one particular brick wall, which is probably why I don't > play if anymore. > > Beware the Grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
I tried to go to this site and got a page saying something about being unable to open that page. Keith - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Actually tom, most versions of the infocom software usually hve the invisiclue hints built into them, and even those that don't the hints can be found on http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pete/Infocom/Invisiclues/ However, I really dislike a game where the choice is look at hints or remain stuck forever just because the author employed some ridiculous leap of logic that nobody in their right mind would guess. Much as I admire Douglas adams humour and his writing style, his convoluted puzzles are something I can do without, and with that bloody babel fish I tried for 20 minutes then just used the dam hints, sinse I was more interested in seeing the rest of the story than sitting there trying to work out what ridiculous action I was supposed to perform next. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Is there a imterperter for the mac Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:34 AM, "dark" wrote: > Well kieth, the ones on http://if.illuminion.de/index.html are absolutely > fine with winfrotz, indeed I checked before posting the previous message, so > you might considder redownloading them from there, and opening the dat or zip > files with winfrotz as I dscribed. > > All the best, > > Dark. > - Original Message - From: "Keith" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures > > >> then perhaps it's just the copies of these games I have that do not allow >> playing. >> >> Keith >> - Original Message ----- From: "dark" >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 8:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures >> >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Actually Arthur, shogun etc are quite playable with the standard version of >>> windows frotz, all you need to do is set the file type in the open dialogue >>> to "infocom files dat, zip" and then open them, or use the winfrotz program >>> in internet explorer to open the zip or dat file (not to be confused with >>> compressed files or data files). >>> >>> the bad news is this is unique to winfrotz, filfre won't do it, and I'm not >>> sure about the mac interpreter though I'd guess not, however isnse I >>> personally prefer winfrotz anyway this wasn't a problem for me. >>> >>> hth. >>> >>> Beware the grue! >>> >>> Dark. >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Actually tom, most versions of the infocom software usually hve the invisiclue hints built into them, and even those that don't the hints can be found on http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pete/Infocom/Invisiclues/ However, I really dislike a game where the choice is look at hints or remain stuck forever just because the author employed some ridiculous leap of logic that nobody in their right mind would guess. Much as I admire Douglas adams humour and his writing style, his convoluted puzzles are something I can do without, and with that bloody babel fish I tried for 20 minutes then just used the dam hints, sinse I was more interested in seeing the rest of the story than sitting there trying to work out what ridiculous action I was supposed to perform next. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Well kieth, the ones on http://if.illuminion.de/index.html are absolutely fine with winfrotz, indeed I checked before posting the previous message, so you might considder redownloading them from there, and opening the dat or zip files with winfrotz as I dscribed. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures then perhaps it's just the copies of these games I have that do not allow playing. Keith - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Hi. Actually Arthur, shogun etc are quite playable with the standard version of windows frotz, all you need to do is set the file type in the open dialogue to "infocom files dat, zip" and then open them, or use the winfrotz program in internet explorer to open the zip or dat file (not to be confused with compressed files or data files). the bad news is this is unique to winfrotz, filfre won't do it, and I'm not sure about the mac interpreter though I'd guess not, however isnse I personally prefer winfrotz anyway this wasn't a problem for me. hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Hi Keith, Yeah, that's exactly why I gave up on a lot of the Infocom games. Its not just that the puzzles would drive me half insane, but a lot of them depended on the documentation that came with the product. I guess they did that to try and protect the software from piracy, and without the books some of the puzzles are simply unsolvable. Cheers! On 9/2/12, Keith wrote: > My only complaint about the infocom series of text adventures is that > seemingly all of them either have mazes or puzzles that are next to > impossible to figure out. Zork 1 has the mines and the theif's lair, zork > > 2 has the bank puzzle, and zork 3 has the wall pushing puzzle. Sure if you > > have the invisiclues books (found someehwere on the net, you can do the > puzzles, but the game could be going well, and then you have to shelve it or > > get into therapy because all you can do is think, day and night, how the > (insert curse word of your choice), do I get thought this puzzle?" > > Keith > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
then perhaps it's just the copies of these games I have that do not allow playing. Keith - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Hi. Actually Arthur, shogun etc are quite playable with the standard version of windows frotz, all you need to do is set the file type in the open dialogue to "infocom files dat, zip" and then open them, or use the winfrotz program in internet explorer to open the zip or dat file (not to be confused with compressed files or data files). the bad news is this is unique to winfrotz, filfre won't do it, and I'm not sure about the mac interpreter though I'd guess not, however isnse I personally prefer winfrotz anyway this wasn't a problem for me. hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Hi Fred. All the infocom games can be downloaded from http://if.illuminion.de/index.html for legality, see the disclaimer, though sinse activision have done' nothing with the games for nearly 20 years other than sell the license to jolt online for the shortlived and utterly terrible legends of zork, this seems fine to me. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Fred Olver" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Are the Infocom games yet available? If So, Where? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures I do wish there was an interpreter that would allow for the playing of the Infocom King Arthur game and the Infocom Shogun game. But, due to the fact that they are partially graphical in nature, I do not believe there is an interpreter that allows for the blind to play them. I have the, just can't play them. Keith - Original Message - From: "Lisa Hayes" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures and the advent game had the maze one alike and one different you know the twisty passage mazes. and that titanic game i never soolved that. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Hi Kieth. To be honest i never even got that far in zork, in zork 1 I was always stuck on how to get the silver bar out of the echo room. I think for me what irritates me with those sorts of puzzles is that you just don't progress through them. When I play a game, I want to explore it's world and it's story. I don't mind grinding for a long time to overcome a tough enemy, or even exploring a large area so long as the exploration actually gets me somewhere, but to be constantly stuck at one point with one action required seeing the same message over and over again, whether that's a maze with unknowable rooms or a puzzle you keep trying to guess the right actions for I just find frustrating, sinse I am not seeing any progression at all. That's why i tend to just use the invisiclues, sinse ultimately I'm more interested in exploring the rest of the game and the story than just banging my head against one particular brick wall, which is probably why I don't play if anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures My only complaint about the infocom series of text adventures is that seemingly all of them either have mazes or puzzles that are next to impossible to figure out. Zork 1 has the mines and the theif's lair, zork 2 has the bank puzzle, and zork 3 has the wall pushing puzzle. Sure if you have the invisiclues books (found someehwere on the net, you can do the puzzles, but the game could be going well, and then you have to shelve it or get into therapy because all you can do is think, day and night, how the (insert curse word of your choice), do I get thought this puzzle?" Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, p
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Hi. Actually Arthur, shogun etc are quite playable with the standard version of windows frotz, all you need to do is set the file type in the open dialogue to "infocom files dat, zip" and then open them, or use the winfrotz program in internet explorer to open the zip or dat file (not to be confused with compressed files or data files). the bad news is this is unique to winfrotz, filfre won't do it, and I'm not sure about the mac interpreter though I'd guess not, however isnse I personally prefer winfrotz anyway this wasn't a problem for me. hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Are the Infocom games yet available? If So, Where? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures I do wish there was an interpreter that would allow for the playing of the Infocom King Arthur game and the Infocom Shogun game. But, due to the fact that they are partially graphical in nature, I do not believe there is an interpreter that allows for the blind to play them. I have the, just can't play them. Keith - Original Message - From: "Lisa Hayes" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures and the advent game had the maze one alike and one different you know the twisty passage mazes. and that titanic game i never soolved that. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Hi Kieth. To be honest i never even got that far in zork, in zork 1 I was always stuck on how to get the silver bar out of the echo room. I think for me what irritates me with those sorts of puzzles is that you just don't progress through them. When I play a game, I want to explore it's world and it's story. I don't mind grinding for a long time to overcome a tough enemy, or even exploring a large area so long as the exploration actually gets me somewhere, but to be constantly stuck at one point with one action required seeing the same message over and over again, whether that's a maze with unknowable rooms or a puzzle you keep trying to guess the right actions for I just find frustrating, sinse I am not seeing any progression at all. That's why i tend to just use the invisiclues, sinse ultimately I'm more interested in exploring the rest of the game and the story than just banging my head against one particular brick wall, which is probably why I don't play if anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures My only complaint about the infocom series of text adventures is that seemingly all of them either have mazes or puzzles that are next to impossible to figure out. Zork 1 has the mines and the theif's lair, zork 2 has the bank puzzle, and zork 3 has the wall pushing puzzle. Sure if you have the invisiclues books (found someehwere on the net, you can do the puzzles, but the game could be going well, and then you have to shelve it or get into therapy because all you can do is think, day and night, how the (insert curse word of your choice), do I get thought this puzzle?" Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mai
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
I do wish there was an interpreter that would allow for the playing of the Infocom King Arthur game and the Infocom Shogun game. But, due to the fact that they are partially graphical in nature, I do not believe there is an interpreter that allows for the blind to play them. I have the, just can't play them. Keith - Original Message - From: "Lisa Hayes" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures and the advent game had the maze one alike and one different you know the twisty passage mazes. and that titanic game i never soolved that. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Hi Kieth. To be honest i never even got that far in zork, in zork 1 I was always stuck on how to get the silver bar out of the echo room. I think for me what irritates me with those sorts of puzzles is that you just don't progress through them. When I play a game, I want to explore it's world and it's story. I don't mind grinding for a long time to overcome a tough enemy, or even exploring a large area so long as the exploration actually gets me somewhere, but to be constantly stuck at one point with one action required seeing the same message over and over again, whether that's a maze with unknowable rooms or a puzzle you keep trying to guess the right actions for I just find frustrating, sinse I am not seeing any progression at all. That's why i tend to just use the invisiclues, sinse ultimately I'm more interested in exploring the rest of the game and the story than just banging my head against one particular brick wall, which is probably why I don't play if anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures My only complaint about the infocom series of text adventures is that seemingly all of them either have mazes or puzzles that are next to impossible to figure out. Zork 1 has the mines and the theif's lair, zork 2 has the bank puzzle, and zork 3 has the wall pushing puzzle. Sure if you have the invisiclues books (found someehwere on the net, you can do the puzzles, but the game could be going well, and then you have to shelve it or get into therapy because all you can do is think, day and night, how the (insert curse word of your choice), do I get thought this puzzle?" Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
and the advent game had the maze one alike and one different you know the twisty passage mazes. and that titanic game i never soolved that. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures Hi Kieth. To be honest i never even got that far in zork, in zork 1 I was always stuck on how to get the silver bar out of the echo room. I think for me what irritates me with those sorts of puzzles is that you just don't progress through them. When I play a game, I want to explore it's world and it's story. I don't mind grinding for a long time to overcome a tough enemy, or even exploring a large area so long as the exploration actually gets me somewhere, but to be constantly stuck at one point with one action required seeing the same message over and over again, whether that's a maze with unknowable rooms or a puzzle you keep trying to guess the right actions for I just find frustrating, sinse I am not seeing any progression at all. That's why i tend to just use the invisiclues, sinse ultimately I'm more interested in exploring the rest of the game and the story than just banging my head against one particular brick wall, which is probably why I don't play if anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures My only complaint about the infocom series of text adventures is that seemingly all of them either have mazes or puzzles that are next to impossible to figure out. Zork 1 has the mines and the theif's lair, zork 2 has the bank puzzle, and zork 3 has the wall pushing puzzle. Sure if you have the invisiclues books (found someehwere on the net, you can do the puzzles, but the game could be going well, and then you have to shelve it or get into therapy because all you can do is think, day and night, how the (insert curse word of your choice), do I get thought this puzzle?" Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures
Hi Kieth. To be honest i never even got that far in zork, in zork 1 I was always stuck on how to get the silver bar out of the echo room. I think for me what irritates me with those sorts of puzzles is that you just don't progress through them. When I play a game, I want to explore it's world and it's story. I don't mind grinding for a long time to overcome a tough enemy, or even exploring a large area so long as the exploration actually gets me somewhere, but to be constantly stuck at one point with one action required seeing the same message over and over again, whether that's a maze with unknowable rooms or a puzzle you keep trying to guess the right actions for I just find frustrating, sinse I am not seeing any progression at all. That's why i tend to just use the invisiclues, sinse ultimately I'm more interested in exploring the rest of the game and the story than just banging my head against one particular brick wall, which is probably why I don't play if anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Keith" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Infocom text adventures My only complaint about the infocom series of text adventures is that seemingly all of them either have mazes or puzzles that are next to impossible to figure out. Zork 1 has the mines and the theif's lair, zork 2 has the bank puzzle, and zork 3 has the wall pushing puzzle. Sure if you have the invisiclues books (found someehwere on the net, you can do the puzzles, but the game could be going well, and then you have to shelve it or get into therapy because all you can do is think, day and night, how the (insert curse word of your choice), do I get thought this puzzle?" Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
