Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Force feed back would be cool there. Have seen a few mice with that feature on them, but even on a game pad would still work. At 05:21 PM 5/8/2007, you wrote: >Hi Richard, >Wow! Thanks for sending this one along. This indeed is a cool article, >and made me think of mice in games much differently. >The example about the sword got my attention. For a while i have been >trying to think of ways to have cooler light saber effects in my SW FPS >title. Just pressing a fire key isn't enough. >I did right a test demo of the mouse and a saber which was awesome as I >had awesome control of my swings, worlwind attacks, spins, etc. Problem >was it made my dueling much much better than the enemy AI player. > > > > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. Tim trouble "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Hi Richard, Wow! Thanks for sending this one along. This indeed is a cool article, and made me think of mice in games much differently. The example about the sword got my attention. For a while i have been trying to think of ways to have cooler light saber effects in my SW FPS title. Just pressing a fire key isn't enough. I did right a test demo of the mouse and a saber which was awesome as I had awesome control of my swings, worlwind attacks, spins, etc. Problem was it made my dueling much much better than the enemy AI player. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Hi Ken, Funny, I read the article and the Fireman and Sword readme files, but then I tried the two games and then I could not read the gestures file. I rebooted and now I do find Brian Bors' email address in it. Thanks, Phil - Original Message - From: "Ken the Crazy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > Look in the gestures readme file. > Ken Downey > President > DreamTechInteractive! ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Yep, can't read my reply or the subject after playing these games. Hmm... Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Coming soon, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring. - Original Message - From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > ps: glad you posted this issue. Might be very valuable information for all > audio game devs. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > >>I tried Ratjeprak and my outlook express is not reading the child window >> when I am writing this message. >> It did before running the game! >> Phil >> Hi Richard, >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >> >> >>> Hi Phil, >>> >>> Wow, that sounds disturbing! I'll immediately forward this to Brian so >>> he >>> can contact you himself. You can find his contact info here: >>> >>> http://www.brianbors.nl/index.php?id=3 (would rather not post an email >>> address to an open emaillist for spam reasons) >>> >>> The mouse games do go full-screen and temporarily change the resolution >>> of >>> your screen (I think). If this is the case, it might just simply be that >>> Brian forgot to reset the resolution properly in his application. Brians >>> games were made with GameMaker (www.gamemaker.nl, not to be confused >>> with >>> AudioGameMaker!) which is used for literally thousands of games. If this >>> is >>> really a problem in GameMaker, I would be ver interested to know exactly >>> what the problem is. That way I can pass it on to prof. Mark Overmars, >>> who >>> developed GameMaker. I guess he would be quite interested to know if or >>> that >>> his program might mess up screenreaders. >>> >>> I'm just wondering, Phil, could you try and download Ratjeprak (AG >>> Playcenter: http://www.audiogames.net/playcenter/index_exp.php, download >>> link: http://www.gluid.com/games/downloads/Ratjeprak.zip) and see if the >>> same problem occurs here too? Although Ratjeprak was made using >>> Macromedia >>> Director and not GameMaker, I also change the screen resolution for it >>> to >>> be >>> fullscreen. If you have the same problem with Ratjeprak too, I would >>> really >>> like to know. >>> >>> Greets, >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> http://www.audiogames.net >>> http://www.game-accessibility.com >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio >>> Games >>> >>> >>>> Hi Richard, >>>> I tried out the three mouse games and enjoyed Fireman the best. >>>> I was able to catch more falling men with the mouse than with the >>>> keyboard. >>>> I do have a problem with the games. >>>> After playing them I noticed JFW was not working correctly. >>>> I unloaded JFW and started it again but it did not solve the problem. >>>> I was able to get Jaws working again after a re-boot. >>>> It sounds like the mouse games take over or changes either graphics >>>> settings >>>> or something that interfere with the speech program >>>> I searched for Brian Bors' email address but could not find it. >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:59 PM >>>> Subject: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >>>> >>>> >>>>> (from AudioGames.net) >>>>&
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Look in the gestures readme file. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Coming soon, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring. - Original Message - From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > Hi Richard, > I tried out the three mouse games and enjoyed Fireman the best. > I was able to catch more falling men with the mouse than with the > keyboard. > I do have a problem with the games. > After playing them I noticed JFW was not working correctly. > I unloaded JFW and started it again but it did not solve the problem. > I was able to get Jaws working again after a re-boot. > It sounds like the mouse games take over or changes either graphics > settings > or something that interfere with the speech program > I searched for Brian Bors' email address but could not find it. > > Phil > > > - Original Message - > From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:59 PM > Subject: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > >> (from AudioGames.net) >> >> New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >> >> The mouse is an accurate and versatile input device and it is used in >> many >> mainstream games as a pointing device to direct soldiers to specific >> spots, >> aim at enemies and turn the camera. These are things visually impaired >> gamers won't need to do often in games. Audio games hardly use the mouse >> as >> an input device. In this article Brian Bors discusses why and examines >> why >> the use of the mouse might make audio games more fun, backing up his >> arguments with small downloadable examples. >> >> You can find the article on Game-Accessibility.com through the following >> link: >> >> http://www.game-accessibility.com/index.php?pagefile=roleMouseAudioGames >> >> Greets, >> >> Richard >> >> http://www.audiogames.net >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Awesome new games. I hope now people understand that BLIND PEOPLE CAN USE A MOUSE! Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Coming soon, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring. - Original Message - From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > Hi guys, > > I was wondering what you all think of the article (see below) and the > three > mouse games that Brian made. Every feedback is appreciated :) > > Greets, > > Richard > > > - Original Message - > From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:59 PM > Subject: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > >> (from AudioGames.net) >> >> New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >> >> The mouse is an accurate and versatile input device and it is used in >> many >> mainstream games as a pointing device to direct soldiers to specific >> spots, >> aim at enemies and turn the camera. These are things visually impaired >> gamers won't need to do often in games. Audio games hardly use the mouse >> as >> an input device. In this article Brian Bors discusses why and examines >> why >> the use of the mouse might make audio games more fun, backing up his >> arguments with small downloadable examples. >> >> You can find the article on Game-Accessibility.com through the following >> link: >> >> http://www.game-accessibility.com/index.php?pagefile=roleMouseAudioGames >> >> Greets, >> >> Richard >> >> http://www.audiogames.net >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Nice article there. I do wish Brian had interviewed some of us developers that are integrating the mouse into our games, we could have given him a bit of insight as to what we are doing. For instance, he refers to a game being made someday that uses the mouse in conjunction with the keyboard. Rail Racer does just this, and cannot be played well at all without using the keyboard along with the mouse, if the mouse is the chosen control method. As a former avid game player of sighted games, when I started looking into developing games for the blind, I couldn't understand why the mouse wasn't used. I could not find one accessible game that used the mouse, though I understand there was a demo of some sort out there. I have worked out a menu system that uses the mouse exclusively, making menu selection very fast and efficient. This menu system will be used in all my future games after Rail Racer. Several of the Racer beta testers still use the keyboard exclusively to play, and do quite well with it, but I for one much prefer the mouse. To me it is the difference between driving and poking at buttons, but to each his own. Anyhow, nice article and my thanks to Brian for taking the time to outline his thoughts. One suggestion though, someone should run a spell checker through that piece, and check some of the grammar as well, it would make it seem much more professional. Later all, Che ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
hehe... it said "naar links" which means "go left" in Dutch... and if you hear "naar rechts" then that means "to the right" "naar boven" is "go up" and "naar beneden" is "go down"... - Original Message - From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > Hi Richard, > I closed the Ratjeprak game with alt+f4. > I could try closing with escape. > I was in what sounded like a menu when I did. > The game was saying, "Link" > > Phil > > - Original Message ----- > From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > >> Mmm... ok... I guess you closed this game by pressing the escape key, >> right? >> This might be because in Ratjeprak I'm not resetting the screensize >> manually, but let the program do it all by itsself. When I have time >> later >> I'll concoct a test version of Ratjeprak where I do this manually to see >> if >> this makes a change. >> >> Otherwise, it might be that it is JFW might have a problem with resetting >> the screen resolution in realtime, no matter what the program is. >> Resetting >> the screen resolution is a typical thing with video games and usually >> causes >> no problems. Then again, having to reset the screen resolution to control >> an >> audio game with the mouse is a bit silly and I know other ways of >> capturing >> mouse movement without resetting the screen resolution. >> >> Thanks, Phil, I'll keep you updated! >> >> Greets, >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >> >> >>>I tried Ratjeprak and my outlook express is not reading the child window >>> when I am writing this message. >>> It did before running the game! >>> Phil >>> Hi Richard, >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:51 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio >>> Games >>> >>> >>>> Hi Phil, >>>> >>>> Wow, that sounds disturbing! I'll immediately forward this to Brian so >>>> he >>>> can contact you himself. You can find his contact info here: >>>> >>>> http://www.brianbors.nl/index.php?id=3 (would rather not post an email >>>> address to an open emaillist for spam reasons) >>>> >>>> The mouse games do go full-screen and temporarily change the resolution >>>> of >>>> your screen (I think). If this is the case, it might just simply be >>>> that >>>> Brian forgot to reset the resolution properly in his application. >>>> Brians >>>> games were made with GameMaker (www.gamemaker.nl, not to be confused >>>> with >>>> AudioGameMaker!) which is used for literally thousands of games. If >>>> this >>>> is >>>> really a problem in GameMaker, I would be ver interested to know >>>> exactly >>>> what the problem is. That way I can pass it on to prof. Mark Overmars, >>>> who >>>> developed GameMaker. I guess he would be quite interested to know if or >>>> that >>>> his program might mess up screenreaders. >>>> >>>> I'm just wondering, Phil, could you try and download Ratjeprak (AG >>>> Playcenter: http://www.audiogames.net/playcenter/index_exp.php, >>>> download >>>> link: http://www.gluid.com/games/downloads/Ratjeprak.zip) and see if >>>> the >>>> same problem occurs here too? Although Ratjeprak was made using >>>> Macromedia >>>> Director and not GameMaker, I also change the screen resolution for it >>>> to >>>> be >>>> fullscreen. If you have the same problem with Ratjeprak too, I would >>>> r
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Hi Richard, I closed the Ratjeprak game with alt+f4. I could try closing with escape. I was in what sounded like a menu when I did. The game was saying, "Link" Phil - Original Message - From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > Mmm... ok... I guess you closed this game by pressing the escape key, > right? > This might be because in Ratjeprak I'm not resetting the screensize > manually, but let the program do it all by itsself. When I have time later > I'll concoct a test version of Ratjeprak where I do this manually to see > if > this makes a change. > > Otherwise, it might be that it is JFW might have a problem with resetting > the screen resolution in realtime, no matter what the program is. > Resetting > the screen resolution is a typical thing with video games and usually > causes > no problems. Then again, having to reset the screen resolution to control > an > audio game with the mouse is a bit silly and I know other ways of > capturing > mouse movement without resetting the screen resolution. > > Thanks, Phil, I'll keep you updated! > > Greets, > > Richard > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > >>I tried Ratjeprak and my outlook express is not reading the child window >> when I am writing this message. >> It did before running the game! >> Phil >> Hi Richard, >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >> >> >>> Hi Phil, >>> >>> Wow, that sounds disturbing! I'll immediately forward this to Brian so >>> he >>> can contact you himself. You can find his contact info here: >>> >>> http://www.brianbors.nl/index.php?id=3 (would rather not post an email >>> address to an open emaillist for spam reasons) >>> >>> The mouse games do go full-screen and temporarily change the resolution >>> of >>> your screen (I think). If this is the case, it might just simply be that >>> Brian forgot to reset the resolution properly in his application. Brians >>> games were made with GameMaker (www.gamemaker.nl, not to be confused >>> with >>> AudioGameMaker!) which is used for literally thousands of games. If this >>> is >>> really a problem in GameMaker, I would be ver interested to know exactly >>> what the problem is. That way I can pass it on to prof. Mark Overmars, >>> who >>> developed GameMaker. I guess he would be quite interested to know if or >>> that >>> his program might mess up screenreaders. >>> >>> I'm just wondering, Phil, could you try and download Ratjeprak (AG >>> Playcenter: http://www.audiogames.net/playcenter/index_exp.php, download >>> link: http://www.gluid.com/games/downloads/Ratjeprak.zip) and see if the >>> same problem occurs here too? Although Ratjeprak was made using >>> Macromedia >>> Director and not GameMaker, I also change the screen resolution for it >>> to >>> be >>> fullscreen. If you have the same problem with Ratjeprak too, I would >>> really >>> like to know. >>> >>> Greets, >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> http://www.audiogames.net >>> http://www.game-accessibility.com >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio >>> Games >>> >>> >>>> Hi Richard, >>>> I tried out the three mouse games and enjoyed Fireman the best. >>>> I was able to catch more falling men with the mouse than with the >>>> keyboard. >>>> I do have a problem with the games. >>>> After playing them I noticed JFW was not working correctly. >>>> I unloaded JFW and started it again but it did not solve the problem. >>>> I was able to get Ja
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
ps: glad you posted this issue. Might be very valuable information for all audio game devs. - Original Message - From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >I tried Ratjeprak and my outlook express is not reading the child window > when I am writing this message. > It did before running the game! > Phil > Hi Richard, > > > - Original Message - > From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > >> Hi Phil, >> >> Wow, that sounds disturbing! I'll immediately forward this to Brian so he >> can contact you himself. You can find his contact info here: >> >> http://www.brianbors.nl/index.php?id=3 (would rather not post an email >> address to an open emaillist for spam reasons) >> >> The mouse games do go full-screen and temporarily change the resolution >> of >> your screen (I think). If this is the case, it might just simply be that >> Brian forgot to reset the resolution properly in his application. Brians >> games were made with GameMaker (www.gamemaker.nl, not to be confused with >> AudioGameMaker!) which is used for literally thousands of games. If this >> is >> really a problem in GameMaker, I would be ver interested to know exactly >> what the problem is. That way I can pass it on to prof. Mark Overmars, >> who >> developed GameMaker. I guess he would be quite interested to know if or >> that >> his program might mess up screenreaders. >> >> I'm just wondering, Phil, could you try and download Ratjeprak (AG >> Playcenter: http://www.audiogames.net/playcenter/index_exp.php, download >> link: http://www.gluid.com/games/downloads/Ratjeprak.zip) and see if the >> same problem occurs here too? Although Ratjeprak was made using >> Macromedia >> Director and not GameMaker, I also change the screen resolution for it to >> be >> fullscreen. If you have the same problem with Ratjeprak too, I would >> really >> like to know. >> >> Greets, >> >> Richard >> >> http://www.audiogames.net >> http://www.game-accessibility.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >> >> >>> Hi Richard, >>> I tried out the three mouse games and enjoyed Fireman the best. >>> I was able to catch more falling men with the mouse than with the >>> keyboard. >>> I do have a problem with the games. >>> After playing them I noticed JFW was not working correctly. >>> I unloaded JFW and started it again but it did not solve the problem. >>> I was able to get Jaws working again after a re-boot. >>> It sounds like the mouse games take over or changes either graphics >>> settings >>> or something that interfere with the speech program >>> I searched for Brian Bors' email address but could not find it. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:59 PM >>> Subject: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >>> >>> >>>> (from AudioGames.net) >>>> >>>> New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >>>> >>>> The mouse is an accurate and versatile input device and it is used in >>>> many >>>> mainstream games as a pointing device to direct soldiers to specific >>>> spots, >>>> aim at enemies and turn the camera. These are things visually impaired >>>> gamers won't need to do often in games. Audio games hardly use the >>>> mouse >>>> as >>>> an input device. In this article Brian Bors discusses why and examines >>>> why >>>> the use of the mouse might make audio games more fun, backing up his >>>> arguments with small downloadable examples. >>>> >>>> You can find the article on Game-Accessibility.com through the >>>> following >>>> l
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Mmm... ok... I guess you closed this game by pressing the escape key, right? This might be because in Ratjeprak I'm not resetting the screensize manually, but let the program do it all by itsself. When I have time later I'll concoct a test version of Ratjeprak where I do this manually to see if this makes a change. Otherwise, it might be that it is JFW might have a problem with resetting the screen resolution in realtime, no matter what the program is. Resetting the screen resolution is a typical thing with video games and usually causes no problems. Then again, having to reset the screen resolution to control an audio game with the mouse is a bit silly and I know other ways of capturing mouse movement without resetting the screen resolution. Thanks, Phil, I'll keep you updated! Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >I tried Ratjeprak and my outlook express is not reading the child window > when I am writing this message. > It did before running the game! > Phil > Hi Richard, > > > - Original Message - > From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > >> Hi Phil, >> >> Wow, that sounds disturbing! I'll immediately forward this to Brian so he >> can contact you himself. You can find his contact info here: >> >> http://www.brianbors.nl/index.php?id=3 (would rather not post an email >> address to an open emaillist for spam reasons) >> >> The mouse games do go full-screen and temporarily change the resolution >> of >> your screen (I think). If this is the case, it might just simply be that >> Brian forgot to reset the resolution properly in his application. Brians >> games were made with GameMaker (www.gamemaker.nl, not to be confused with >> AudioGameMaker!) which is used for literally thousands of games. If this >> is >> really a problem in GameMaker, I would be ver interested to know exactly >> what the problem is. That way I can pass it on to prof. Mark Overmars, >> who >> developed GameMaker. I guess he would be quite interested to know if or >> that >> his program might mess up screenreaders. >> >> I'm just wondering, Phil, could you try and download Ratjeprak (AG >> Playcenter: http://www.audiogames.net/playcenter/index_exp.php, download >> link: http://www.gluid.com/games/downloads/Ratjeprak.zip) and see if the >> same problem occurs here too? Although Ratjeprak was made using >> Macromedia >> Director and not GameMaker, I also change the screen resolution for it to >> be >> fullscreen. If you have the same problem with Ratjeprak too, I would >> really >> like to know. >> >> Greets, >> >> Richard >> >> http://www.audiogames.net >> http://www.game-accessibility.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >> >> >>> Hi Richard, >>> I tried out the three mouse games and enjoyed Fireman the best. >>> I was able to catch more falling men with the mouse than with the >>> keyboard. >>> I do have a problem with the games. >>> After playing them I noticed JFW was not working correctly. >>> I unloaded JFW and started it again but it did not solve the problem. >>> I was able to get Jaws working again after a re-boot. >>> It sounds like the mouse games take over or changes either graphics >>> settings >>> or something that interfere with the speech program >>> I searched for Brian Bors' email address but could not find it. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:59 PM >>> Subject: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >>> >>> >>>> (from AudioGames.net) >>>> >>>> New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >>>> >>>> The mouse is an accurate and versatile input device and it is use
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
I tried Ratjeprak and my outlook express is not reading the child window when I am writing this message. It did before running the game! Phil Hi Richard, - Original Message - From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > Hi Phil, > > Wow, that sounds disturbing! I'll immediately forward this to Brian so he > can contact you himself. You can find his contact info here: > > http://www.brianbors.nl/index.php?id=3 (would rather not post an email > address to an open emaillist for spam reasons) > > The mouse games do go full-screen and temporarily change the resolution of > your screen (I think). If this is the case, it might just simply be that > Brian forgot to reset the resolution properly in his application. Brians > games were made with GameMaker (www.gamemaker.nl, not to be confused with > AudioGameMaker!) which is used for literally thousands of games. If this > is > really a problem in GameMaker, I would be ver interested to know exactly > what the problem is. That way I can pass it on to prof. Mark Overmars, who > developed GameMaker. I guess he would be quite interested to know if or > that > his program might mess up screenreaders. > > I'm just wondering, Phil, could you try and download Ratjeprak (AG > Playcenter: http://www.audiogames.net/playcenter/index_exp.php, download > link: http://www.gluid.com/games/downloads/Ratjeprak.zip) and see if the > same problem occurs here too? Although Ratjeprak was made using Macromedia > Director and not GameMaker, I also change the screen resolution for it to > be > fullscreen. If you have the same problem with Ratjeprak too, I would > really > like to know. > > Greets, > > Richard > > http://www.audiogames.net > http://www.game-accessibility.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > >> Hi Richard, >> I tried out the three mouse games and enjoyed Fireman the best. >> I was able to catch more falling men with the mouse than with the >> keyboard. >> I do have a problem with the games. >> After playing them I noticed JFW was not working correctly. >> I unloaded JFW and started it again but it did not solve the problem. >> I was able to get Jaws working again after a re-boot. >> It sounds like the mouse games take over or changes either graphics >> settings >> or something that interfere with the speech program >> I searched for Brian Bors' email address but could not find it. >> >> Phil >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:59 PM >> Subject: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >> >> >>> (from AudioGames.net) >>> >>> New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >>> >>> The mouse is an accurate and versatile input device and it is used in >>> many >>> mainstream games as a pointing device to direct soldiers to specific >>> spots, >>> aim at enemies and turn the camera. These are things visually impaired >>> gamers won't need to do often in games. Audio games hardly use the mouse >>> as >>> an input device. In this article Brian Bors discusses why and examines >>> why >>> the use of the mouse might make audio games more fun, backing up his >>> arguments with small downloadable examples. >>> >>> You can find the article on Game-Accessibility.com through the following >>> link: >>> >>> http://www.game-accessibility.com/index.php?pagefile=roleMouseAudioGames >>> >>> Greets, >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> http://www.audiogames.net >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>> visit >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Hi Phil, Wow, that sounds disturbing! I'll immediately forward this to Brian so he can contact you himself. You can find his contact info here: http://www.brianbors.nl/index.php?id=3 (would rather not post an email address to an open emaillist for spam reasons) The mouse games do go full-screen and temporarily change the resolution of your screen (I think). If this is the case, it might just simply be that Brian forgot to reset the resolution properly in his application. Brians games were made with GameMaker (www.gamemaker.nl, not to be confused with AudioGameMaker!) which is used for literally thousands of games. If this is really a problem in GameMaker, I would be ver interested to know exactly what the problem is. That way I can pass it on to prof. Mark Overmars, who developed GameMaker. I guess he would be quite interested to know if or that his program might mess up screenreaders. I'm just wondering, Phil, could you try and download Ratjeprak (AG Playcenter: http://www.audiogames.net/playcenter/index_exp.php, download link: http://www.gluid.com/games/downloads/Ratjeprak.zip) and see if the same problem occurs here too? Although Ratjeprak was made using Macromedia Director and not GameMaker, I also change the screen resolution for it to be fullscreen. If you have the same problem with Ratjeprak too, I would really like to know. Greets, Richard http://www.audiogames.net http://www.game-accessibility.com - Original Message - From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > Hi Richard, > I tried out the three mouse games and enjoyed Fireman the best. > I was able to catch more falling men with the mouse than with the > keyboard. > I do have a problem with the games. > After playing them I noticed JFW was not working correctly. > I unloaded JFW and started it again but it did not solve the problem. > I was able to get Jaws working again after a re-boot. > It sounds like the mouse games take over or changes either graphics > settings > or something that interfere with the speech program > I searched for Brian Bors' email address but could not find it. > > Phil > > > - Original Message - > From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:59 PM > Subject: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > >> (from AudioGames.net) >> >> New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games >> >> The mouse is an accurate and versatile input device and it is used in >> many >> mainstream games as a pointing device to direct soldiers to specific >> spots, >> aim at enemies and turn the camera. These are things visually impaired >> gamers won't need to do often in games. Audio games hardly use the mouse >> as >> an input device. In this article Brian Bors discusses why and examines >> why >> the use of the mouse might make audio games more fun, backing up his >> arguments with small downloadable examples. >> >> You can find the article on Game-Accessibility.com through the following >> link: >> >> http://www.game-accessibility.com/index.php?pagefile=roleMouseAudioGames >> >> Greets, >> >> Richard >> >> http://www.audiogames.net >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Hi Richard, I tried out the three mouse games and enjoyed Fireman the best. I was able to catch more falling men with the mouse than with the keyboard. I do have a problem with the games. After playing them I noticed JFW was not working correctly. I unloaded JFW and started it again but it did not solve the problem. I was able to get Jaws working again after a re-boot. It sounds like the mouse games take over or changes either graphics settings or something that interfere with the speech program I searched for Brian Bors' email address but could not find it. Phil - Original Message - From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:59 PM Subject: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > (from AudioGames.net) > > New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > The mouse is an accurate and versatile input device and it is used in many > mainstream games as a pointing device to direct soldiers to specific > spots, > aim at enemies and turn the camera. These are things visually impaired > gamers won't need to do often in games. Audio games hardly use the mouse > as > an input device. In this article Brian Bors discusses why and examines why > the use of the mouse might make audio games more fun, backing up his > arguments with small downloadable examples. > > You can find the article on Game-Accessibility.com through the following > link: > > http://www.game-accessibility.com/index.php?pagefile=roleMouseAudioGames > > Greets, > > Richard > > http://www.audiogames.net > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games
Hi guys, I was wondering what you all think of the article (see below) and the three mouse games that Brian made. Every feedback is appreciated :) Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: "AudioGames.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:59 PM Subject: [Audyssey] New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > (from AudioGames.net) > > New Article: The Role Of The Mouse In Audio Games > > The mouse is an accurate and versatile input device and it is used in many > mainstream games as a pointing device to direct soldiers to specific > spots, > aim at enemies and turn the camera. These are things visually impaired > gamers won't need to do often in games. Audio games hardly use the mouse > as > an input device. In this article Brian Bors discusses why and examines why > the use of the mouse might make audio games more fun, backing up his > arguments with small downloadable examples. > > You can find the article on Game-Accessibility.com through the following > link: > > http://www.game-accessibility.com/index.php?pagefile=roleMouseAudioGames > > Greets, > > Richard > > http://www.audiogames.net > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
