Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines)
Well. It all depends what you started with. That is what you got at school. For me it was braille then a type writer then a computer. Now I believve that its braille on a braille device but it could also be an electronic unit. Typing on a computer is skipped though you can go over to that yourself. The thing is government can only fund 1 solution so you either go full braille or no braille. Each has a cost. Obviously the braille way is more expensive the computer may be a bit cheaper but by the time you get jaws office etc and whatevver hardware well who knows. The disadvantage to this would be for people that do more than office work, ie play windows games and run standard windows programs since on a braille device with specialised os you can't exactly do that On 25/06/2015 12:38 a.m., Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, I have been asking myself those same questions. I understand Charles really really really believes braille is the way to go on this, but as I stated in a prior post it is not going to work for everybody simply because not everyone with a visual impairment reads braille. We have large print users, we have the newly blind, and we have others who for one reason or another simply do not know or can't read braille. For example, I happen to know a guy who is totally blind, and although they tried to teach him braille he can't read braille. The problem is that he has a rare form of Dyslexia where he can't mentally associate sounds with words. Therefore he can't spell nor read because his brain can't process the written word regardless of how it is written. He does a lot via voice dictation and voice output because that is the only way he can communicate via e-mail and other written forms of communication. While that might be a rare case. I merely want to bring up the point that going all gung-ho for braille as the one-size fits all solution isn't the case for everyone. Cheers! On 6/21/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: What about people who read large print or use a lense or magnifyer? what about people who are newly blind, have not learnt braille but have a reader? really charlse, I don't see why your objecting to having information out there in multiple formats so strongly. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines)
Hi John. audio cd in synbth, even though listening to synths isn't my favourite option is what I was thinking, sinse again it's another format and I know there are programs that can easily create mp3 files from standard text. What I'd be tempted to do on the burning issue is burn a few copies, but also distribute the audio file to any organizations who habilitually make audio announcements on cd (such as the local society for the blind where my mum is), and let them handle reproduction. Obviously cds would be harder to produce as you said, but having a few kicking around that could be copied or listened to at conventions would have the same help in distribution methods as anything else. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) An audio cd would be surprisingly difficult to make hundreds of copies of. You can probably get the disks for $50 (ish), but you can only burn them one at a time, and each and every one would take at least 10 minutes of active work by the person doing the burning. I'm not saying that it'd be impossible, but that making audio cds as a primary form of distribution for the entire leaflet is probably not our best idea. Further, there'd also be the fact of narration - I know a lot of people who would not want to listen to what is essentially a glorified advertisement done by synthesizer. Therefore, we'd have to have somebody narrate the whole thing (professionally, not some internal mic with background hiss), and then somebody to edit that narration. The idea of an audiogames cd has its own merits - if we wanted, we could put together trailors of a number of different games and distribute them on the cd along with our introduction, but I think that such a project is a bit beyond the scope of what we're currently considering. -- From: Danielle Ledet singingmywa...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 19:20 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Braille and an audio CD. Simple. Large print readers are covered by an audio option. Done. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines)
Hi Dark, There are plenty of text to audio type programs. One I use is called TextAloud by Nextup which takes a standard text file and converts it to spoken audio using a SAPI voice. I can convert the wav out put to mp3, wma, audio CD, whatever. I have done that with various text files, and while the output isn't as good as a human some of the voices such as the Vocalizer voices are good enough for what we are trying to do. Cheers! On 6/26/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi John. audio cd in synbth, even though listening to synths isn't my favourite option is what I was thinking, sinse again it's another format and I know there are programs that can easily create mp3 files from standard text. What I'd be tempted to do on the burning issue is burn a few copies, but also distribute the audio file to any organizations who habilitually make audio announcements on cd (such as the local society for the blind where my mum is), and let them handle reproduction. Obviously cds would be harder to produce as you said, but having a few kicking around that could be copied or listened to at conventions would have the same help in distribution methods as anything else. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines)
Hi John. I once burnt 25 copies of a performance cd for a light opera group I was in to help people learn their music. The performance I was copying was two disks so that's 50 cds in all. it was a surprisingly quick process, it took me probably four hours to do all 50 disks, and that wasn't four hours of constant work, just four hours of setting windows media player to auto burn then shoving blank disks into the drive every time it popped open :D. And also bare in mind that an audio informational leaflet wouldn't be a very long audio file either, I'd guess at a thousand words it'd probably be about a ten minute read, so a very quick burn. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines)
Over the last year or so, I've been running classes for computer newbies with a wide range of vision here in London. Most of them are over 50, and many of them are only taking steps to learn about technology now because their vision loss has reached a point where they can no longer comfortably read print. IE, they don't know how to read Braille because they've never needed to up until this point. But, just because it's not comfortable or easy for them to read print anymore, the vast majority of them will determinedly cling to it until they reach a point where the use of their new technology becomes familiar enough to start to replace it. These people having knowledge of games can be a huge step toward that happening in many cases, because if a computer or a tablet can be for fun sometimes, they've started chipping away at the intimidation that often holds previous generations back from embracing technology. I do what I can to spread the word and use games as tools, but A) I only get to work with a small percentage of the blind people in a single city, and B) I'll be moving on from the job shortly. Point is though, yep, these potential gamers definitely do appreciate stuff in print. Bassed on my experience, they also like audio, though the pressing and distribution of that can get kind of pricy. Happy to help with proofreading and tweaking anything here, as well as badgering the local blindness organizations to distribute the info. Cheers Scott On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would not offer print pamphlets. The selected audience for the information does not read print. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) Hi jeremy. A sort of general physical publication for various blind organizations might be a good idea in the future, sort of like a physical version of audeasy, but that wasn't the sort of scale I was thinking just as far as getting people on board went. What I was imagining was somethingmore like a general introduction, perhaps twop thousand words at most which just explains what audio games are, what the bennifits of playing them might be, the differences betwene audiogames and text games etc. It might have some examples mentioned but these wouldn't be adverts for any specific developers as much as just shades of doom is a great example of an fps type of thing. i would also not suggest selling it, but having it as a freely available informational leaflet who's production is financed by a number of people in the community, though whether enough funds could be generated to produce sufficient copies would be another question. However if I were a person who didn't know about audiogames I am more likely to pick up a free braille or print leaflet from a table at the next function of blind organization x than pay for something about a subject I've never heard of before. Of course, if it was successful and people liked it, more specific things could be done later, but I don't think we're at that point sinse for most people in places like The Rnib it's just a matter of knowing that accessible computer games exist! let alone advertising anything specific. Beware the Grue! Dark. learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Brown tyr...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Dark's suggestion of an informational blurb or pamphlet is the place where a number of developers could come together directly. If we formed some sort of organization of our own, that worked with, and/or through the more politically minded organizations, it's possible they might take more notice of us. Also too, defraying cost of printing might be easier if each developer contributed x amount and had x amount of space. It would mean you'd be advertising in some cases with your competition, but, if the real issue is that not enough people know about the market at all, then that might be a way to get info into the community. Audyssey might be a good launch point for such an item, since many developers subscribe. Audyssey has a history of helping blind people connect to game developers, and it's exactly the sort of proactive approach that the political organizations attempt to take. Further, we have developers here from multiple nations, so we could approach visually impaired organizations in multiple countries at once, and show that this is a global
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines)
What about people who read large print or use a lense or magnifyer? what about people who are newly blind, have not learnt braille but have a reader? really charlse, I don't see why your objecting to having information out there in multiple formats so strongly. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines) I would not offer print pamphlets. The selected audience for the information does not read print. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) Hi jeremy. A sort of general physical publication for various blind organizations might be a good idea in the future, sort of like a physical version of audeasy, but that wasn't the sort of scale I was thinking just as far as getting people on board went. What I was imagining was somethingmore like a general introduction, perhaps twop thousand words at most which just explains what audio games are, what the bennifits of playing them might be, the differences betwene audiogames and text games etc. It might have some examples mentioned but these wouldn't be adverts for any specific developers as much as just shades of doom is a great example of an fps type of thing. i would also not suggest selling it, but having it as a freely available informational leaflet who's production is financed by a number of people in the community, though whether enough funds could be generated to produce sufficient copies would be another question. However if I were a person who didn't know about audiogames I am more likely to pick up a free braille or print leaflet from a table at the next function of blind organization x than pay for something about a subject I've never heard of before. Of course, if it was successful and people liked it, more specific things could be done later, but I don't think we're at that point sinse for most people in places like The Rnib it's just a matter of knowing that accessible computer games exist! let alone advertising anything specific. Beware the Grue! Dark. learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Brown tyr...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Dark's suggestion of an informational blurb or pamphlet is the place where a number of developers could come together directly. If we formed some sort of organization of our own, that worked with, and/or through the more politically minded organizations, it's possible they might take more notice of us. Also too, defraying cost of printing might be easier if each developer contributed x amount and had x amount of space. It would mean you'd be advertising in some cases with your competition, but, if the real issue is that not enough people know about the market at all, then that might be a way to get info into the community. Audyssey might be a good launch point for such an item, since many developers subscribe. Audyssey has a history of helping blind people connect to game developers, and it's exactly the sort of proactive approach that the political organizations attempt to take. Further, we have developers here from multiple nations, so we could approach visually impaired organizations in multiple countries at once, and show that this is a global phenomenon. If it was sold on the grounds of promoting not only independent visually impaired entrepreneurs, but also the gamers who enjoy their work, it might be able to crack the shell where one or two small developers might not. Just a thought, Jeremy On 6/15/15, gamers-requ...@audyssey.org gamers-requ...@audyssey.org wrote: Send Gamers mailing list submissions to gamers@audyssey.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gamers-requ...@audyssey.org You can reach the person managing the list at gamers-ow...@audyssey.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Gamers digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: info
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines)
Hi Dark, I have been asking myself those same questions. I understand Charles really really really believes braille is the way to go on this, but as I stated in a prior post it is not going to work for everybody simply because not everyone with a visual impairment reads braille. We have large print users, we have the newly blind, and we have others who for one reason or another simply do not know or can't read braille. For example, I happen to know a guy who is totally blind, and although they tried to teach him braille he can't read braille. The problem is that he has a rare form of Dyslexia where he can't mentally associate sounds with words. Therefore he can't spell nor read because his brain can't process the written word regardless of how it is written. He does a lot via voice dictation and voice output because that is the only way he can communicate via e-mail and other written forms of communication. While that might be a rare case. I merely want to bring up the point that going all gung-ho for braille as the one-size fits all solution isn't the case for everyone. Cheers! On 6/21/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: What about people who read large print or use a lense or magnifyer? what about people who are newly blind, have not learnt braille but have a reader? really charlse, I don't see why your objecting to having information out there in multiple formats so strongly. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines)
Hi Tom. I think this debate has slightly wandered off the mark and got mixed up with the Is there still a use for braille debate which obviously some people like Charlse have very strong opinions on. However this is fundamentally nothing to do with whether braille is or is not any use in general, it's a question of how to inform people about audiogames who may not know about them. Yes, some people who currently don't know about audiogames will read braille, therefore there should be a braille leaflet, however some people will read large print so there should be a large print one, some people will prefer to read online with a synth so there should be an electronic one, hell if anyone knows how to print in Moon I'd suggest doing it in that as well :D. Perhaps getting this conversation back onto how to produce and distribute a leaflet in any and all possible formats, rather than a reitteration of the braille debate might be helpful here. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines) Hi Dark, I have been asking myself those same questions. I understand Charles really really really believes braille is the way to go on this, but as I stated in a prior post it is not going to work for everybody simply because not everyone with a visual impairment reads braille. We have large print users, we have the newly blind, and we have others who for one reason or another simply do not know or can't read braille. For example, I happen to know a guy who is totally blind, and although they tried to teach him braille he can't read braille. The problem is that he has a rare form of Dyslexia where he can't mentally associate sounds with words. Therefore he can't spell nor read because his brain can't process the written word regardless of how it is written. He does a lot via voice dictation and voice output because that is the only way he can communicate via e-mail and other written forms of communication. While that might be a rare case. I merely want to bring up the point that going all gung-ho for braille as the one-size fits all solution isn't the case for everyone. Cheers! On 6/21/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: What about people who read large print or use a lense or magnifyer? what about people who are newly blind, have not learnt braille but have a reader? really charlse, I don't see why your objecting to having information out there in multiple formats so strongly. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines)
hmmm that may be a bit hard. At 11:13 a.m. 20/06/2015, you wrote: Looks like that's two of us - only thing left to figure out would be shipping. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 15:19 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines) I'm going to get this embosser going again. I just checked with Duxbury. The cost will be zero. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) I have an embosser and Duxbury translation software for it on my laptop. I've also got about 2,000 sheets of paper. I'll check into the cost of license renewal for the translation software. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Dark, Okay, I see what you mean about using a third-party braille transcription service, a good idea, but I'm not sure what something like that would cost. The only one that comes to mind off the top of my head in the USA is American Printing House for the Blind, but as I have never transcribed anything through them personally I haven't a clue what it would cost to run x number of copies of an informational pamphlet off for organizations using APH's services. I'm sure it won't cost as high as buying an embosser, software, paper, etc but at the same time I could see it costing quite a bit. Unfortunately, braille is a very expensive medium so it is likely to be a fairly costly investment regardless of what someone does. I think what might be a better tact as far as information sharing and advertising goes is actually create a pamphlet which can be redistributed through the various blind resellers. I don't know what you have over in the UK and in Europe but here in the USA there are a number of well known resellers such as In dependant Living Aids, Maxi Aids, Light House, and so forth who are in the business of selling blind products such as canes, Olympus recorders, Jaws, you name it. Since they are in the business to make money and they have a catalog which gets shipped out to a lot of blind customers I'd say that would be the ideal way to advertise. Since companies like Independent Living Aids, for example, are in the business of making money and are not a organization they might be more receptive to sponsoring games and other entertainment products that would fall outside the purview of organizations. Cheers! On 6/19/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Buy an embosser? that is way more overkill than I am thinking here. In the Uk at least there are braille transcription services that will spend their time on printing, it's one way that say a local theatre can get braille programs, sinse you are correct that braille embossers are stupidly expensive. I don't have a clear idea on costs, sinse it's not something I've looked into but I don't believe it's that much, particularly as regards reproducing the thing once you've got one printed and then are making copies. As to people who don't have much to do with the blind community, well to be honest I fall into that category marginly myself simply because I don't find blindness events or organizations that helpful or that I have much in common with a lot of other blind people, though i still do look at the news letters just in case anything vaguely interesting comes up, and would probably pick up a leaflet on something like games. of course there will be some people who literally don't have anything at all with any blindness organization, but you can't cover everyone! my suggestion of an intro leaflet was just to let more people know who normally might not. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines)
Hi Jim. That is a very good suggestion Jim, and shouldn't be too hard to arrange either, though distributing the cds could be interesting. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines) Hi Dark, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but I was thinking that another way that the pamphlet could be distributed could be to have it read by a human or synthesized voice and then burnt to an audio CD. BFN Jim They said that it couldn't be done, so I didn't do it. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I totally agree with Charles and Josh. I will have to buy my own equipment now including stuff I already had which was disposed of by others. I was admittedly peeved by that statement about playing gamaes on the computer. On 6/21/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Jim. That is a very good suggestion Jim, and shouldn't be too hard to arrange either, though distributing the cds could be interesting. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines) Hi Dark, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but I was thinking that another way that the pamphlet could be distributed could be to have it read by a human or synthesized voice and then burnt to an audio CD. BFN Jim They said that it couldn't be done, so I didn't do it. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but I was thinking that another way that the pamphlet could be distributed could be to have it read by a human or synthesized voice and then burnt to an audio CD. BFN Jim They said that it couldn't be done, so I didn't do it. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I would not offer print pamphlets. The selected audience for the information does not read print. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) Hi jeremy. A sort of general physical publication for various blind organizations might be a good idea in the future, sort of like a physical version of audeasy, but that wasn't the sort of scale I was thinking just as far as getting people on board went. What I was imagining was somethingmore like a general introduction, perhaps twop thousand words at most which just explains what audio games are, what the bennifits of playing them might be, the differences betwene audiogames and text games etc. It might have some examples mentioned but these wouldn't be adverts for any specific developers as much as just shades of doom is a great example of an fps type of thing. i would also not suggest selling it, but having it as a freely available informational leaflet who's production is financed by a number of people in the community, though whether enough funds could be generated to produce sufficient copies would be another question. However if I were a person who didn't know about audiogames I am more likely to pick up a free braille or print leaflet from a table at the next function of blind organization x than pay for something about a subject I've never heard of before. Of course, if it was successful and people liked it, more specific things could be done later, but I don't think we're at that point sinse for most people in places like The Rnib it's just a matter of knowing that accessible computer games exist! let alone advertising anything specific. Beware the Grue! Dark. learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Brown tyr...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Dark's suggestion of an informational blurb or pamphlet is the place where a number of developers could come together directly. If we formed some sort of organization of our own, that worked with, and/or through the more politically minded organizations, it's possible they might take more notice of us. Also too, defraying cost of printing might be easier if each developer contributed x amount and had x amount of space. It would mean you'd be advertising in some cases with your competition, but, if the real issue is that not enough people know about the market at all, then that might be a way to get info into the community. Audyssey might be a good launch point for such an item, since many developers subscribe. Audyssey has a history of helping blind people connect to game developers, and it's exactly the sort of proactive approach that the political organizations attempt to take. Further, we have developers here from multiple nations, so we could approach visually impaired organizations in multiple countries at once, and show that this is a global phenomenon. If it was sold on the grounds of promoting not only independent visually impaired entrepreneurs, but also the gamers who enjoy their work, it might be able to crack the shell where one or two small developers might not. Just a thought, Jeremy On 6/15/15, gamers-requ...@audyssey.org gamers-requ...@audyssey.org wrote: Send Gamers mailing list submissions to gamers@audyssey.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gamers-requ...@audyssey.org You can reach the person managing the list at gamers-ow...@audyssey.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Gamers digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: info AudioGames Game Engine (dark) 2. Re: tips for playing bg chess (dark) 3. Re: tips for playing bg chess (Ron Schamerhorn) 4. Re: info AudioGames Game Engine (Thomas Ward) 5. Re: info AudioGames Game Engine (dark) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:27:27 +0100 From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] info AudioGames Game Engine Message-ID: 310941689A6043FBA74A76411331CCD7@ownere8ba8066c Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hi Knick. that is an idea, though reselling is also quite a pain to setup as well, particularly sinse in the past when it's been
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Hi Charlse. I disagree with you that anyone already with a computer and access to a search engine would discover audio games, sinse many blind people are given a computer and told this is for work and not much else. Up until I saw the article I mentioned in the braile circular in 2003, the idea that you could play games on a computer just plane hadn't occurred to me. About the most fun I'd had was using ms word to make character sheets for DD tabletop games, and that was still essentially word processing, I assumed computer games were just on consoles and it would never have even occurred to me that a game with sound could be fun even if one did exist. If your a blind person and presented with a computer and told this is for work it won't occur to many to experiment outside of that, which will also affect their computer skills quite badly. The case is even worse on ap store related systems sinse you will get a hell of a lot of results to inaccessible games even if it occurs to you to search for them. However, sinse such a leaflet needs to be written on computer anyway, having an electronic copy is hardly going to be an issue, it's getting one done in braille and possibly large print and then the physical distribution of such that will be the problem. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you do. I think we should also target the folks who've been told you use your computer to type documents, and nothing else. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:09 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10057 - Release Date: 06/20/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
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Those who say that you cannot use the computer for other than work related tasks should also be targets. They should also be asked if they use their computer for strictly those purposes or if they know others who take this attitude. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines) Just because you can, doesn't mean you do. I think we should also target the folks who've been told you use your computer to type documents, and nothing else. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:09 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched
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Looks like that's two of us - only thing left to figure out would be shipping. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 15:19 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines) I'm going to get this embosser going again. I just checked with Duxbury. The cost will be zero. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) I have an embosser and Duxbury translation software for it on my laptop. I've also got about 2,000 sheets of paper. I'll check into the cost of license renewal for the translation software. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Dark, Okay, I see what you mean about using a third-party braille transcription service, a good idea, but I'm not sure what something like that would cost. The only one that comes to mind off the top of my head in the USA is American Printing House for the Blind, but as I have never transcribed anything through them personally I haven't a clue what it would cost to run x number of copies of an informational pamphlet off for organizations using APH's services. I'm sure it won't cost as high as buying an embosser, software, paper, etc but at the same time I could see it costing quite a bit. Unfortunately, braille is a very expensive medium so it is likely to be a fairly costly investment regardless of what someone does. I think what might be a better tact as far as information sharing and advertising goes is actually create a pamphlet which can be redistributed through the various blind resellers. I don't know what you have over in the UK and in Europe but here in the USA there are a number of well known resellers such as In dependant Living Aids, Maxi Aids, Light House, and so forth who are in the business of selling blind products such as canes, Olympus recorders, Jaws, you name it. Since they are in the business to make money and they have a catalog which gets shipped out to a lot of blind customers I'd say that would be the ideal way to advertise. Since companies like Independent Living Aids, for example, are in the business of making money and are not a organization they might be more receptive to sponsoring games and other entertainment products that would fall outside the purview of organizations. Cheers! On 6/19/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Buy an embosser? that is way more overkill than I am thinking here. In the Uk at least there are braille transcription services that will spend their time on printing, it's one way that say a local theatre can get braille programs, sinse you are correct that braille embossers are stupidly expensive. I don't have a clear idea on costs, sinse it's not something I've looked into but I don't believe it's that much, particularly as regards reproducing the thing once you've got one printed and then are making copies. As to people who don't have much to do with the blind community, well to be honest I fall into that category marginly myself simply because I don't find blindness events or organizations that helpful or that I have much in common with a lot of other blind people, though i still do look at the news letters just in case anything vaguely interesting comes up, and would probably pick up a leaflet on something like games. of course there will be some people who literally don't have anything at all with any blindness organization, but you can't cover everyone! my suggestion of an intro leaflet was just to let more people know who normally might not. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
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I think this would be a good idea, also. At conventions and other such events, there are tons of pamphlets and such for people to pick up and browse at their leisure, and it's high time there were more made available to blind people who do their own reading in the form of braille. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) Hi. That is a good suggestion, and it is true there are likely people who might read electronic cattalogues who probably would not readily run across sites like audiogames.net or even whitestic.co.uk by default. However, the reason I specifically suggested braille even though I myself am not overly a fan of braille is precisely to appeal to people who aren't! as up on things like searching the internet or using screen readers and who might not think of games on a computer as something either accessible or fun, particularly if they've just been given a computer and told hay this is for work and that is all. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10054 - Release Date: 06/19/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I'm going to get this embosser going again. I just checked with Duxbury. The cost will be zero. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) I have an embosser and Duxbury translation software for it on my laptop. I've also got about 2,000 sheets of paper. I'll check into the cost of license renewal for the translation software. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Dark, Okay, I see what you mean about using a third-party braille transcription service, a good idea, but I'm not sure what something like that would cost. The only one that comes to mind off the top of my head in the USA is American Printing House for the Blind, but as I have never transcribed anything through them personally I haven't a clue what it would cost to run x number of copies of an informational pamphlet off for organizations using APH's services. I'm sure it won't cost as high as buying an embosser, software, paper, etc but at the same time I could see it costing quite a bit. Unfortunately, braille is a very expensive medium so it is likely to be a fairly costly investment regardless of what someone does. I think what might be a better tact as far as information sharing and advertising goes is actually create a pamphlet which can be redistributed through the various blind resellers. I don't know what you have over in the UK and in Europe but here in the USA there are a number of well known resellers such as In dependant Living Aids, Maxi Aids, Light House, and so forth who are in the business of selling blind products such as canes, Olympus recorders, Jaws, you name it. Since they are in the business to make money and they have a catalog which gets shipped out to a lot of blind customers I'd say that would be the ideal way to advertise. Since companies like Independent Living Aids, for example, are in the business of making money and are not a organization they might be more receptive to sponsoring games and other entertainment products that would fall outside the purview of organizations. Cheers! On 6/19/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Buy an embosser? that is way more overkill than I am thinking here. In the Uk at least there are braille transcription services that will spend their time on printing, it's one way that say a local theatre can get braille programs, sinse you are correct that braille embossers are stupidly expensive. I don't have a clear idea on costs, sinse it's not something I've looked into but I don't believe it's that much, particularly as regards reproducing the thing once you've got one printed and then are making copies. As to people who don't have much to do with the blind community, well to be honest I fall into that category marginly myself simply because I don't find blindness events or organizations that helpful or that I have much in common with a lot of other blind people, though i still do look at the news letters just in case anything vaguely interesting comes up, and would probably pick up a leaflet on something like games. of course there will be some people who literally don't have anything at all with any blindness organization, but you can't cover everyone! my suggestion of an intro leaflet was just to let more people know who normally might not. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG
