Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
I've been a Gator long enough to remember the UF-Miami annual rivalry game before FSU became a part of our schedule. I'd trade a weekend in Tally for a weekend in Miami in a heartbeat. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: ken...@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:16:16 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined. I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:47 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Your memory is correct, sir. The question I have a problem with is why we didn't add UM back when the NCAA made the 12th game permanent? We had played UM off and on whenever the goofy prior rule allowed a 12th game. -Zeb On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:40 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: If the schedule fell the right way, it wasn't so difficult to win the championship. Unfortunately, we never managed it (except in '84 and '85, when the lousy hypocrites wouldn't recognize our titles). I think they went to seven conference games in 1990, then eight with the expansion in '92. This is why we had to drop scUM from the schedule. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
Me too Leon! Although Miami did not seem to me to be much of a rivalry until after the flop. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lpolh...@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 7:23 AM To: Gatortalk Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] I've been a Gator long enough to remember the UF-Miami annual rivalry game before FSU became a part of our schedule. I'd trade a weekend in Tally for a weekend in Miami in a heartbeat. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT _ From: ken...@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:16:16 + To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined. I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed _ From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:47 -0400 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Your memory is correct, sir. The question I have a problem with is why we didn't add UM back when the NCAA made the 12th game permanent? We had played UM off and on whenever the goofy prior rule allowed a 12th game. -Zeb On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:40 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: If the schedule fell the right way, it wasn't so difficult to win the championship. Unfortunately, we never managed it (except in '84 and '85, when the lousy hypocrites wouldn't recognize our titles). I think they went to seven conference games in 1990, then eight with the expansion in '92. This is why we had to drop scUM from the schedule. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
We had great parties together. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Jerry Belloit bell...@clarion.edu To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 8:09:14 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Me too Leon! Although Miami did not seem to me to be much of a rivalry until after the “flop.” Jerry From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lpolh...@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 7:23 AM To: Gatortalk Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] I've been a Gator long enough to remember the UF-Miami annual rivalry game before FSU became a part of our schedule. I'd trade a weekend in Tally for a weekend in Miami in a heartbeat. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From: ken...@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:16:16 + To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined. I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:47 -0400 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Your memory is correct, sir. The question I have a problem with is why we didn't add UM back when the NCAA made the 12th game permanent? We had played UM off and on whenever the goofy prior rule allowed a 12th game. -Zeb On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:40 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: If the schedule fell the right way, it wasn't so difficult to win the championship. Unfortunately, we never managed it (except in '84 and '85, when the lousy hypocrites wouldn't recognize our titles). I think they went to seven conference games in 1990, then eight with the expansion in '92. This is why we had to drop scUM from the schedule. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined. I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:47 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Your memory is correct, sir. The question I have a problem with is why we didn't add UM back when the NCAA made the 12th game permanent? We had played UM off and on whenever the goofy prior rule allowed a 12th game. -Zeb On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:40 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: If the schedule fell the right way, it wasn't so difficult to win the championship. Unfortunately, we never managed it (except in '84 and '85, when the lousy hypocrites wouldn't recognize our titles). I think they went to seven conference games in 1990, then eight with the expansion in '92. This is why we had to drop scUM from the schedule. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
I'd like to play them every year, as we are better than UM year in and year out. However, our goofy we play a couple times every decade somehow always results in us playing them when they are good and we are not, giving a distorted result to the series. Spurrier or Meyer our coach? Better not play UM. Zook coaching? Let's play twice! -Zeb On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined. I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
I think when we had the chance to add them permanently, both schools quietly didn't want to, for different reasons; UF - We're on top, they have trouble putting butts (but not a-holes) in the seats - why should we give them a boost by putting them on our schedule? UM - We like to say that they chickened out of our series with them, back in the day when we were good. Getting pounded by them every year would make that claim look weaker and weaker with each successive beating, so let's not press the issue. --- On Thu, 6/17/10, John Vega zebu...@gate.net wrote: I'd like to play them every year, as we are better than UM year in and year out. However, our goofy we play a couple times every decade somehow always results in us playing them when they are good and we are not, giving a distorted result to the series. Spurrier or Meyer our coach? Better not play UM. Zook coaching? Let's play twice! -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
Meyer has beaten scUM, in 2008. Only time we palyed them since he became HC, I think. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:24:00 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] I'd like to play them every year, as we are better than UM year in and year out. However, our goofy we play a couple times every decade somehow always results in us playing them when they are good and we are not, giving a distorted result to the series. Spurrier or Meyer our coach? Better not play UM. Zook coaching? Let's play twice! -Zeb On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined. I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
It is the only time Meyer has coached against them while at UF according to Wikipedia. SHANE From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 11:01:04 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Meyer has beaten scUM, in 2008. Only time we palyed them since he became HC, I think. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:24:00 -0400 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] I'd like to play them every year, as we are better than UM year in and year out. However, our goofy we play a couple times every decade somehow always results in us playing them when they are good and we are not, giving a distorted result to the series. Spurrier or Meyer our coach? Better not play UM. Zook coaching? Let's play twice! -Zeb On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined. I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: If a conference is small enough for every team to meet during the season, I would prefer no conference CG. I agree with your preference, but am realistic enough to realize that the additional $ from a championship game are too much to pass up. I'd go a bit further and postulate that the optimal conference sizes are 9 (everyone plays everyone) or 12 (eligible for conference championship). 10 or 11 are just plain stupid, some teams don't play each other, yet there is no conference championship. So, assuming all stupid 10 or 11 team conferences move to 12; we need 3 teams to step up to the big leagues (formerly the PAC 10 needed 2 and the Big 10 needed 1; now the PAC 10 needs 1 and the Big 12 needs - or will need - 2). So, who will those 3 be? Utah and... -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
The big 12 now 10 seems to be happy with no championship game. Rumor dujour has the Pac 10 now 11 inviting Utah maybe as soon as today. Charlie. BTW how far is Boulder, CO and Salt Lake City from the Pacific? _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:10 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: If a conference is small enough for every team to meet during the season, I would prefer no conference CG. I agree with your preference, but am realistic enough to realize that the additional $ from a championship game are too much to pass up. I'd go a bit further and postulate that the optimal conference sizes are 9 (everyone plays everyone) or 12 (eligible for conference championship). 10 or 11 are just plain stupid, some teams don't play each other, yet there is no conference championship. So, assuming all stupid 10 or 11 team conferences move to 12; we need 3 teams to step up to the big leagues (formerly the PAC 10 needed 2 and the Big 10 needed 1; now the PAC 10 needs 1 and the Big 12 needs - or will need - 2). So, who will those 3 be? Utah and... -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
I wouldn't be surprised if Salt Lake City weren't about the same as some of the Arizona schools. I've driven from the Sonoma Coast to Lake Tahoe, it's not that far. Granted, Lake Tahoe is on the border. Now Boulder, that seems like a hike. -Zeb On Jun 16, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Charlie wrote: The big 12 now 10 seems to be happy with no championship game. Rumor dujour has the Pac 10 now 11 inviting Utah maybe as soon as today. Charlie. BTW how far is Boulder, CO and Salt Lake City from the Pacific? -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
Yes, they need at least 12 to have the championship game. They and the big ten are expanding simply because they're tired of being overlooked the last week of the season while the se c is getting all the attention. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Charlie ces1...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:32:24 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] The big 12 now 10 seems to be happy with no championship game. Rumor dujour has the Pac 10 now 11 inviting Utah maybe as soon as today. Charlie. BTW how far is Boulder, CO and Salt Lake City from the Pacific? _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:10 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: If a conference is small enough for every team to meet during the season, I would prefer no conference CG. I agree with your preference, but am realistic enough to realize that the additional $ from a championship game are too much to pass up. I'd go a bit further and postulate that the optimal conference sizes are 9 (everyone plays everyone) or 12 (eligible for conference championship). 10 or 11 are just plain stupid, some teams don't play each other, yet there is no conference championship. So, assuming all stupid 10 or 11 team conferences move to 12; we need 3 teams to step up to the big leagues (formerly the PAC 10 needed 2 and the Big 10 needed 1; now the PAC 10 needs 1 and the Big 12 needs - or will need - 2). So, who will those 3 be? Utah and... -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
By the way, I remember when the SEC season had only six conference games. A ten team conference and only six conference games. It wasn't that long ago. If the schedule fell the right way, it wasn't so difficult to win the championship. Unfortunately, we never managed it (except in '84 and '85, when the lousy hypocrites wouldn't recognize our titles). I think they went to seven conference games in 1990, then eight with the expansion in '92. This is why we had to drop scUM from the schedule. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
*Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members.* Why not? On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Shane Ford go.ufgator...@gmail.comwrote: Updated: June 15, 2010, 9:40 AM ET Texas move helps Big 12 survive ESPN.com news services* * The University of Texas on Monday said it was staying in the Big 12, followed moments later by pledges from Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas AM to remain in a league that had seemed to be falling apart last week when Nebraska (Big Ten) and Colorado (Pac-10) decided to leave over the next two years. The Texas announcement came shortly after Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott confirmed that Texas had declined an invitation to become the 12th member of his conference. More on the Big 12 University of Texas President Bill Powers has informed us that the 10 remaining schools in the Big 12 Conference intend to stay together, Scott said in a statement. We are excited about the future of the Pac-10 Conference and we will continue to evaluate future expansion opportunities under the guidelines previously set forth by our Presidents and Chancellors. Powers declined comment when asked by the AP about details of the deal that kept Big 12 together. The school has scheduled a news conference for Tuesday morning. Now the Big 12 its back, though there are still questions about how it will conduct its business. Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members. Beebe did not return phone messages Monday, but plans to hold a conference call with reporters on Tuesday. Texas had a meeting Monday with the other remaining nine schools in the Big 12 about a TV deal included in a plan put together by Beebe that would keep the league intact with its current programs, according to multiple reports. The Dallas Morning News reported the cable TV deal is with Fox Sports. Based on a TV deal in the works that could pay upwards of $25 million per year, Texas leaned toward staying in a 10-team Big 12 for the foreseeable future, Orangebloods.com reported, citing sources familiar with negotiations. Texas stands to earn between $20 million and $25 million annually in television revenue in the reworked deal, including money from its own network, according to Orangebloods.com. Millions of Reasons Texas, Texas AM and Oklahoma would reportedly each receive at least $20 million annually from a new Big 12 TV contract, comparable with what the top conference deals pay now. *BCS conference* *Amount of contract* Big Ten $242 million SEC $205 million Big 12 $78 million ACC $67 million Pacific-10 $58 million Big East $33 million The Longhorns' network figures to generate between $3 million and $5 million, according to the Orangebloods.com report. Because the Big 12 has unequal revenue sharing, the deal will mean more money for Texas, Texas AM and Oklahoma, who all would receive at least $20 million annually from the new deal. The other seven schools in the Big 12 would make between $14 million and $17 million, doubling what they currently receive in TV revenue. Big 12 officials told member schools that the loss of the Denver television market and Nebraska would not weaken the league's negotiating position with TV networks as much as feared, a person with direct knowledge of discussions told The Associated Press. Last year, Big 12 schools divided between $7 million and $10 million each depending on how many appearances they made on regional and national TV. At Big 12 meetings earlier this month, Beebe said he expected huge increases in rights fees from both Fox and ESPN. The more lucrative contract with ESPN runs through the 2015-16 academic year, while the Fox deal is reportedly in its final two years. The Big 12 has increased the financial reward for every one of its members since it began play in 1996. The Big 12 distributed $139 million to its members this past fiscal year, more than ever. We're excited about the Big 12 Conference and for its continued growth, Missouri athletic director Mike Alden said in a statement. The University of Missouri has certainly prospered during its time in the Big 12, and we are looking forward to future opportunities in the years ahead. The news about the Longhorns, Sooners and the rest of the Big 12 South powers staying put was especially good for Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State and Missouri -- the five schools in danger of being left homeless if the conference dissolved. Baylor football coach Art Briles, a Texas native who has spent his entire career in the Long Star state, put it this way: I got resuscitated. You can take your hands off my chest.
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
The NCAA requires 12 teams. GoGators!!! MArk Quoting Woody gatorrr...@gmail.com: *Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members.* Why not? -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now. I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the conference championship. -Zeb On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Woody wrote: Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members. Why not? -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
Eleven isn't enough for a CG. The Big 10 has had eleven since Penn State joined. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:17:48 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now. I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the conference championship. -Zeb On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Woody wrote: Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members. Why not? -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
They have to add 2 teams with Colorado and Nebraska to replace. I wonder how somebody like Utah and Brigham Young would fit there. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:17:48 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now. I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the conference championship. -Zeb On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Woody wrote: Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members. Why not? -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:32 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: Eleven isn't enough for a CG. The Big 10 has had eleven since Penn State joined. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:17:48 -0400 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now. I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the conference championship. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
I dont think conference size should matter... I personallly think: 1) All NCAA conferences should have a championship game 2) No conferences should have an auto bid to a bcs game On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:32 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: Eleven isn't enough for a CG. The Big 10 has had eleven since Penn State joined. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -- *From: *John Vega zebu...@gate.net *Date: *Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:17:48 -0400 *To: *gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Subject: *Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now. I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the conference championship. -Zeb On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Woody wrote: *Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members.* Why not? -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
Only one of those two leaves immediately; the other leaves after this season. To keep its Championship game, one team would need to be added before this season, and another after this season. Then again, things could have changed recently, there seem to be hourly reversals of course. -Zeb On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:31 AM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote: They have to add 2 teams with Colorado and Nebraska to replace. I wonder how somebody like Utah and Brigham Young would fit there. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
If a conference is small enough for every team to meet during the season, I would prefer no conference CG. I think the team that plays better over the course of a season should be champion, not a team that gets a hot streak. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: Woody gatorrr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:45:08 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] I dont think conference size should matter... I personallly think: 1) All NCAA conferences should have a championship game 2) No conferences should have an auto bid to a bcs game On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:32 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote: Eleven isn't enough for a CG. The Big 10 has had eleven since Penn State joined. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -- *From: *John Vega zebu...@gate.net *Date: *Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:17:48 -0400 *To: *gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Subject: *Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad] Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now. I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the conference championship. -Zeb On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Woody wrote: *Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members.* Why not? -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
