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We will probably never know what really happened, but it's obvious that somebody knows enough to make the decisions that have been made recently. You don't insist on the resignation of a coach who has been at your university since dinosaurs roamed the earth unless you know - and HE knows - something very wrong and horrifying happened. Joe Paterno has already said he wishes he had done more. He didn't just pull that out of his... er... hat. McQueary is probably not a superbly reliable witness, given the different stories he has told. Did you hear the phone call between Bob Costas and Jerry Sandusky? A couple of my friends who work with abused children and their families said he sounded eerily similar to other perps they've encountered. :-/ Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Have you heard he has now said in an email that he DID stop what was happening with Sandusky and the kid in the showers? This story doesn't sound right, either. Hey, you! Stop what you're doing to that kid! Geez, Coach Sandusky, you shouldn't do stuff like that. Okay, now you guys get dressed and Coach, you take this boy home while I go call my dad so he can tell me what to do next. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: PS - It doesn't surprise me that McQ did something that irked you before. He's supposedly quite a punk. Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Cee, Whether your son has a tender heart or no, I'm glad to hear that he recognizes that something should have been done right then, right there. It's clear he is a well-raised young man. You know, I get it when people don't want to get involved in a situation where they might witness someone shoplifting or they see someone hit and run a parked car. That's one thing (although I myself would get involved in both situations). No one's actually being physically or emotionally injured. This is rape! And rape of a child, no less! Good grief, was he more concerned that this beloved coach was doing wrong than concerned for the welfare of the boy? I just can not get past the fact that he did not follow up when it appeared nothing had been done. How could you not? (And it's not like he wouldn't know - he was the witness, so you'd definitely know if a policeman or detective didn't come calling.) Your friend's perspective on McQueary is interesting. I was just discussing this with my sister - I said, I didn't realize until recently that the grad assistant who witnessed the rape was that big red-headed jerk on the Penn State coaching staff. I can't recall what the situation was, but I recall him doing SOMETHING at the Outback Bowl this past January that really irritated me. I don't know if he had made a gesture at some Gator players, or what, but I already didn't like the guy prior to this. I like him even less, now. Really, I will NOT be surprised if his coaching job was awarded as payment for a coverup. Sandy On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sandy... this is exactly what my son said last night when we were discussing the issue. He can't get over it. He is just so disgusted that a bunch of grown men would keep this quiet for so long. This is a man-child who can't even watch a TV show or movie in which a kid is being mistreated verbally so I know he has a tender heart, and the only times he ever got in trouble for fighting at school, he was taking up for some girl who was being harassed by a guy or guys. I know he wouldn't just walk away from the scene Mike McQueary walked away from. I am proud to know that Trevor realizes how reprehensible the behavior of all those involved has been. It's disgusting. One of my best friends on the planet works at PSU (in fundraising... imagine how this is going to affect HER job) and was born, raised and has lived her entire life in State College, PA. She went to high school with Mike McQueary, and she said he has always been a shit head. She doesn't know why he is still there either... or at least she is not telling if she does know. Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996
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The Costas interview with Sandusky was really creepy. It's hard to believe Sandusky's attorney thought doing the interview was a good idea. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: ** We will probably never know what really happened, but it's obvious that somebody knows enough to make the decisions that have been made recently. You don't insist on the resignation of a coach who has been at your university since dinosaurs roamed the earth unless you know - and HE knows - something very wrong and horrifying happened. Joe Paterno has already said he wishes he had done more. He didn't just pull that out of his... er... hat. McQueary is probably not a superbly reliable witness, given the different stories he has told. Did you hear the phone call between Bob Costas and Jerry Sandusky? A couple of my friends who work with abused children and their families said he sounded eerily similar to other perps they've encountered. :-/ Cee - Original Message - *From:* Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Have you heard he has now said in an email that he DID stop what was happening with Sandusky and the kid in the showers? This story doesn't sound right, either. Hey, you! Stop what you're doing to that kid! Geez, Coach Sandusky, you shouldn't do stuff like that. Okay, now you guys get dressed and Coach, you take this boy home while I go call my dad so he can tell me what to do next. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: ** PS - It doesn't surprise me that McQ did something that irked you before. He's supposedly quite a punk. Cee - Original Message - *From:* Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:50 AM *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Cee, Whether your son has a tender heart or no, I'm glad to hear that he recognizes that something should have been done right then, right there. It's clear he is a well-raised young man. You know, I get it when people don't want to get involved in a situation where they might witness someone shoplifting or they see someone hit and run a parked car. That's one thing (although I myself would get involved in both situations). No one's actually being physically or emotionally injured. This is rape! And rape of a *child*, no less! Good grief, was he more concerned that this beloved coach was doing wrong than concerned for the welfare of the boy? I just can not get past the fact that he did not follow up when it appeared nothing had been done. How could you not? (And it's not like he wouldn't know - he was the witness, so you'd definitely know if a policeman or detective didn't come calling.) Your friend's perspective on McQueary is interesting. I was just discussing this with my sister - I said, I didn't realize until recently that the grad assistant who witnessed the rape was that big red-headed jerk on the Penn State coaching staff. I can't recall what the situation was, but I recall him doing SOMETHING at the Outback Bowl this past January that really irritated me. I don't know if he had made a gesture at some Gator players, or what, but I already didn't like the guy prior to this. I like him even less, now. Really, I will NOT be surprised if his coaching job was awarded as payment for a coverup. Sandy On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: ** Sandy... this is exactly what my son said last night when we were discussing the issue. He can't get over it. He is just so disgusted that a bunch of grown men would keep this quiet for so long. This is a man-child who can't even watch a TV show or movie in which a kid is being mistreated verbally so I know he has a tender heart, and the only times he ever got in trouble for fighting at school, he was taking up for some girl who was being harassed by a guy or guys. I know he wouldn't just walk away from the scene Mike McQueary walked away from. I am proud to know that Trevor realizes how reprehensible the behavior of all those involved has been. It's disgusting. One of my best friends on the planet works at PSU (in fundraising... imagine how this is going to affect HER job) and was born, raised and has lived her entire life in State College, PA. She went to high school with Mike McQueary, and she said he has always been a shit head. She doesn't know why he is still there either... or at least she is not telling if she does know. Cee - Original Message - *From:* Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2011 12:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers
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Yea.. that didnt do him any good On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.com wrote: The Costas interview with Sandusky was really creepy. It's hard to believe Sandusky's attorney thought doing the interview was a good idea. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: ** We will probably never know what really happened, but it's obvious that somebody knows enough to make the decisions that have been made recently. You don't insist on the resignation of a coach who has been at your university since dinosaurs roamed the earth unless you know - and HE knows - something very wrong and horrifying happened. Joe Paterno has already said he wishes he had done more. He didn't just pull that out of his... er... hat. McQueary is probably not a superbly reliable witness, given the different stories he has told. Did you hear the phone call between Bob Costas and Jerry Sandusky? A couple of my friends who work with abused children and their families said he sounded eerily similar to other perps they've encountered. :-/ Cee - Original Message - *From:* Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Have you heard he has now said in an email that he DID stop what was happening with Sandusky and the kid in the showers? This story doesn't sound right, either. Hey, you! Stop what you're doing to that kid! Geez, Coach Sandusky, you shouldn't do stuff like that. Okay, now you guys get dressed and Coach, you take this boy home while I go call my dad so he can tell me what to do next. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: ** PS - It doesn't surprise me that McQ did something that irked you before. He's supposedly quite a punk. Cee - Original Message - *From:* Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:50 AM *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Cee, Whether your son has a tender heart or no, I'm glad to hear that he recognizes that something should have been done right then, right there. It's clear he is a well-raised young man. You know, I get it when people don't want to get involved in a situation where they might witness someone shoplifting or they see someone hit and run a parked car. That's one thing (although I myself would get involved in both situations). No one's actually being physically or emotionally injured. This is rape! And rape of a *child*, no less! Good grief, was he more concerned that this beloved coach was doing wrong than concerned for the welfare of the boy? I just can not get past the fact that he did not follow up when it appeared nothing had been done. How could you not? (And it's not like he wouldn't know - he was the witness, so you'd definitely know if a policeman or detective didn't come calling.) Your friend's perspective on McQueary is interesting. I was just discussing this with my sister - I said, I didn't realize until recently that the grad assistant who witnessed the rape was that big red-headed jerk on the Penn State coaching staff. I can't recall what the situation was, but I recall him doing SOMETHING at the Outback Bowl this past January that really irritated me. I don't know if he had made a gesture at some Gator players, or what, but I already didn't like the guy prior to this. I like him even less, now. Really, I will NOT be surprised if his coaching job was awarded as payment for a coverup. Sandy On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: ** Sandy... this is exactly what my son said last night when we were discussing the issue. He can't get over it. He is just so disgusted that a bunch of grown men would keep this quiet for so long. This is a man-child who can't even watch a TV show or movie in which a kid is being mistreated verbally so I know he has a tender heart, and the only times he ever got in trouble for fighting at school, he was taking up for some girl who was being harassed by a guy or guys. I know he wouldn't just walk away from the scene Mike McQueary walked away from. I am proud to know that Trevor realizes how reprehensible the behavior of all those involved has been. It's disgusting. One of my best friends on the planet works at PSU (in fundraising... imagine how this is going to affect HER job) and was born, raised and has lived her entire life in State College, PA. She went to high school with Mike McQueary, and she said he has always been a shit head. She doesn't know why he is still there either... or at least she is not telling if she does know. Cee - Original Message - *From:* Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2011 12:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk
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Yeah, that interview just made my skin crawl. If that was Sandusky defending his innocence, then I don't even want to think about what a confession would sound like. Rob Sent from my iPad On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.com wrote: The Costas interview with Sandusky was really creepy. It's hard to believe Sandusky's attorney thought doing the interview was a good idea. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: We will probably never know what really happened, but it's obvious that somebody knows enough to make the decisions that have been made recently. You don't insist on the resignation of a coach who has been at your university since dinosaurs roamed the earth unless you know - and HE knows - something very wrong and horrifying happened. Joe Paterno has already said he wishes he had done more. He didn't just pull that out of his... er... hat. McQueary is probably not a superbly reliable witness, given the different stories he has told. Did you hear the phone call between Bob Costas and Jerry Sandusky? A couple of my friends who work with abused children and their families said he sounded eerily similar to other perps they've encountered. :-/ Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Have you heard he has now said in an email that he DID stop what was happening with Sandusky and the kid in the showers? This story doesn't sound right, either. Hey, you! Stop what you're doing to that kid! Geez, Coach Sandusky, you shouldn't do stuff like that. Okay, now you guys get dressed and Coach, you take this boy home while I go call my dad so he can tell me what to do next. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: PS - It doesn't surprise me that McQ did something that irked you before. He's supposedly quite a punk. Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Cee, Whether your son has a tender heart or no, I'm glad to hear that he recognizes that something should have been done right then, right there. It's clear he is a well-raised young man. You know, I get it when people don't want to get involved in a situation where they might witness someone shoplifting or they see someone hit and run a parked car. That's one thing (although I myself would get involved in both situations). No one's actually being physically or emotionally injured. This is rape! And rape of a child, no less! Good grief, was he more concerned that this beloved coach was doing wrong than concerned for the welfare of the boy? I just can not get past the fact that he did not follow up when it appeared nothing had been done. How could you not? (And it's not like he wouldn't know - he was the witness, so you'd definitely know if a policeman or detective didn't come calling.) Your friend's perspective on McQueary is interesting. I was just discussing this with my sister - I said, I didn't realize until recently that the grad assistant who witnessed the rape was that big red-headed jerk on the Penn State coaching staff. I can't recall what the situation was, but I recall him doing SOMETHING at the Outback Bowl this past January that really irritated me. I don't know if he had made a gesture at some Gator players, or what, but I already didn't like the guy prior to this. I like him even less, now. Really, I will NOT be surprised if his coaching job was awarded as payment for a coverup. Sandy On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sandy... this is exactly what my son said last night when we were discussing the issue. He can't get over it. He is just so disgusted that a bunch of grown men would keep this quiet for so long. This is a man-child who can't even watch a TV show or movie in which a kid is being mistreated verbally so I know he has a tender heart, and the only times he ever got in trouble for fighting at school, he was taking up for some girl who was being harassed by a guy or guys. I know he wouldn't just walk away from the scene Mike McQueary walked away from. I am proud to know that Trevor realizes how reprehensible the behavior of all those involved has been. It's disgusting. One of my best friends on the planet works at PSU (in fundraising... imagine how this is going to affect HER job) and was born, raised and has lived her entire life in State College, PA. She went to high school with Mike McQueary, and she said he has always been a shit head. She doesn't know why he is still there either... or at least she is not telling if she does know. Cee - Original Message - From
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Have you heard he has now said in an email that he DID stop what was happening with Sandusky and the kid in the showers? This story doesn't sound right, either. Hey, you! Stop what you're doing to that kid! Geez, Coach Sandusky, you shouldn't do stuff like that. Okay, now you guys get dressed and Coach, you take this boy home while I go call my dad so he can tell me what to do next. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: ** PS - It doesn't surprise me that McQ did something that irked you before. He's supposedly quite a punk. Cee - Original Message - *From:* Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:50 AM *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Cee, Whether your son has a tender heart or no, I'm glad to hear that he recognizes that something should have been done right then, right there. It's clear he is a well-raised young man. You know, I get it when people don't want to get involved in a situation where they might witness someone shoplifting or they see someone hit and run a parked car. That's one thing (although I myself would get involved in both situations). No one's actually being physically or emotionally injured. This is rape! And rape of a *child*, no less! Good grief, was he more concerned that this beloved coach was doing wrong than concerned for the welfare of the boy? I just can not get past the fact that he did not follow up when it appeared nothing had been done. How could you not? (And it's not like he wouldn't know - he was the witness, so you'd definitely know if a policeman or detective didn't come calling.) Your friend's perspective on McQueary is interesting. I was just discussing this with my sister - I said, I didn't realize until recently that the grad assistant who witnessed the rape was that big red-headed jerk on the Penn State coaching staff. I can't recall what the situation was, but I recall him doing SOMETHING at the Outback Bowl this past January that really irritated me. I don't know if he had made a gesture at some Gator players, or what, but I already didn't like the guy prior to this. I like him even less, now. Really, I will NOT be surprised if his coaching job was awarded as payment for a coverup. Sandy On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: ** Sandy... this is exactly what my son said last night when we were discussing the issue. He can't get over it. He is just so disgusted that a bunch of grown men would keep this quiet for so long. This is a man-child who can't even watch a TV show or movie in which a kid is being mistreated verbally so I know he has a tender heart, and the only times he ever got in trouble for fighting at school, he was taking up for some girl who was being harassed by a guy or guys. I know he wouldn't just walk away from the scene Mike McQueary walked away from. I am proud to know that Trevor realizes how reprehensible the behavior of all those involved has been. It's disgusting. One of my best friends on the planet works at PSU (in fundraising... imagine how this is going to affect HER job) and was born, raised and has lived her entire life in State College, PA. She went to high school with Mike McQueary, and she said he has always been a shit head. She doesn't know why he is still there either... or at least she is not telling if she does know. Cee - Original Message - *From:* Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2011 12:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE
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That's okay, Sandusky is now saying it all a big misunderstanding and he is completely innocent... Of course McQ's latest statement doesn't jive with what is in the Grand Jury report, so did he perjury himself too? Ken K. MN Gator On Nov 15, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com wrote: Have you heard he has now said in an email that he DID stop what was happening with Sandusky and the kid in the showers? This story doesn't sound right, either. Hey, you! Stop what you're doing to that kid! Geez, Coach Sandusky, you shouldn't do stuff like that. Okay, now you guys get dressed and Coach, you take this boy home while I go call my dad so he can tell me what to do next. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: PS - It doesn't surprise me that McQ did something that irked you before. He's supposedly quite a punk. Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Cee, Whether your son has a tender heart or no, I'm glad to hear that he recognizes that something should have been done right then, right there. It's clear he is a well-raised young man. You know, I get it when people don't want to get involved in a situation where they might witness someone shoplifting or they see someone hit and run a parked car. That's one thing (although I myself would get involved in both situations). No one's actually being physically or emotionally injured. This is rape! And rape of a child, no less! Good grief, was he more concerned that this beloved coach was doing wrong than concerned for the welfare of the boy? I just can not get past the fact that he did not follow up when it appeared nothing had been done. How could you not? (And it's not like he wouldn't know - he was the witness, so you'd definitely know if a policeman or detective didn't come calling.) Your friend's perspective on McQueary is interesting. I was just discussing this with my sister - I said, I didn't realize until recently that the grad assistant who witnessed the rape was that big red-headed jerk on the Penn State coaching staff. I can't recall what the situation was, but I recall him doing SOMETHING at the Outback Bowl this past January that really irritated me. I don't know if he had made a gesture at some Gator players, or what, but I already didn't like the guy prior to this. I like him even less, now. Really, I will NOT be surprised if his coaching job was awarded as payment for a coverup. Sandy On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sandy... this is exactly what my son said last night when we were discussing the issue. He can't get over it. He is just so disgusted that a bunch of grown men would keep this quiet for so long. This is a man-child who can't even watch a TV show or movie in which a kid is being mistreated verbally so I know he has a tender heart, and the only times he ever got in trouble for fighting at school, he was taking up for some girl who was being harassed by a guy or guys. I know he wouldn't just walk away from the scene Mike McQueary walked away from. I am proud to know that Trevor realizes how reprehensible the behavior of all those involved has been. It's disgusting. One of my best friends on the planet works at PSU (in fundraising... imagine how this is going to affect HER job) and was born, raised and has lived her entire life in State College, PA. She went to high school with Mike McQueary, and she said he has always been a shit head. She doesn't know why he is still there either... or at least she is not telling if she does know. Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National
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Yep, yep and yep. :-/ There is more to the story, I'm sure. My friend said so, too, and thinks she will probably be privy to it eventually since she works in the administrative building... and you know the staff talk amongst themselves. Especially since she's both a PSU alum and a townie... she'll know eventually. Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Cee, Whether your son has a tender heart or no, I'm glad to hear that he recognizes that something should have been done right then, right there. It's clear he is a well-raised young man. You know, I get it when people don't want to get involved in a situation where they might witness someone shoplifting or they see someone hit and run a parked car. That's one thing (although I myself would get involved in both situations). No one's actually being physically or emotionally injured. This is rape! And rape of a child, no less! Good grief, was he more concerned that this beloved coach was doing wrong than concerned for the welfare of the boy? I just can not get past the fact that he did not follow up when it appeared nothing had been done. How could you not? (And it's not like he wouldn't know - he was the witness, so you'd definitely know if a policeman or detective didn't come calling.) Your friend's perspective on McQueary is interesting. I was just discussing this with my sister - I said, I didn't realize until recently that the grad assistant who witnessed the rape was that big red-headed jerk on the Penn State coaching staff. I can't recall what the situation was, but I recall him doing SOMETHING at the Outback Bowl this past January that really irritated me. I don't know if he had made a gesture at some Gator players, or what, but I already didn't like the guy prior to this. I like him even less, now. Really, I will NOT be surprised if his coaching job was awarded as payment for a coverup. Sandy On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sandy... this is exactly what my son said last night when we were discussing the issue. He can't get over it. He is just so disgusted that a bunch of grown men would keep this quiet for so long. This is a man-child who can't even watch a TV show or movie in which a kid is being mistreated verbally so I know he has a tender heart, and the only times he ever got in trouble for fighting at school, he was taking up for some girl who was being harassed by a guy or guys. I know he wouldn't just walk away from the scene Mike McQueary walked away from. I am proud to know that Trevor realizes how reprehensible the behavior of all those involved has been. It's disgusting. One of my best friends on the planet works at PSU (in fundraising... imagine how this is going to affect HER job) and was born, raised and has lived her entire life in State College, PA. She went to high school with Mike McQueary, and she said he has always been a shit head. She doesn't know why he is still there either... or at least she is not telling if she does know. Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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PS - It doesn't surprise me that McQ did something that irked you before. He's supposedly quite a punk. Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Cee, Whether your son has a tender heart or no, I'm glad to hear that he recognizes that something should have been done right then, right there. It's clear he is a well-raised young man. You know, I get it when people don't want to get involved in a situation where they might witness someone shoplifting or they see someone hit and run a parked car. That's one thing (although I myself would get involved in both situations). No one's actually being physically or emotionally injured. This is rape! And rape of a child, no less! Good grief, was he more concerned that this beloved coach was doing wrong than concerned for the welfare of the boy? I just can not get past the fact that he did not follow up when it appeared nothing had been done. How could you not? (And it's not like he wouldn't know - he was the witness, so you'd definitely know if a policeman or detective didn't come calling.) Your friend's perspective on McQueary is interesting. I was just discussing this with my sister - I said, I didn't realize until recently that the grad assistant who witnessed the rape was that big red-headed jerk on the Penn State coaching staff. I can't recall what the situation was, but I recall him doing SOMETHING at the Outback Bowl this past January that really irritated me. I don't know if he had made a gesture at some Gator players, or what, but I already didn't like the guy prior to this. I like him even less, now. Really, I will NOT be surprised if his coaching job was awarded as payment for a coverup. Sandy On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sandy... this is exactly what my son said last night when we were discussing the issue. He can't get over it. He is just so disgusted that a bunch of grown men would keep this quiet for so long. This is a man-child who can't even watch a TV show or movie in which a kid is being mistreated verbally so I know he has a tender heart, and the only times he ever got in trouble for fighting at school, he was taking up for some girl who was being harassed by a guy or guys. I know he wouldn't just walk away from the scene Mike McQueary walked away from. I am proud to know that Trevor realizes how reprehensible the behavior of all those involved has been. It's disgusting. One of my best friends on the planet works at PSU (in fundraising... imagine how this is going to affect HER job) and was born, raised and has lived her entire life in State College, PA. She went to high school with Mike McQueary, and she said he has always been a shit head. She doesn't know why he is still there either... or at least she is not telling if she does know. Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Sandy... this is exactly what my son said last night when we were discussing the issue. He can't get over it. He is just so disgusted that a bunch of grown men would keep this quiet for so long. This is a man-child who can't even watch a TV show or movie in which a kid is being mistreated verbally so I know he has a tender heart, and the only times he ever got in trouble for fighting at school, he was taking up for some girl who was being harassed by a guy or guys. I know he wouldn't just walk away from the scene Mike McQueary walked away from. I am proud to know that Trevor realizes how reprehensible the behavior of all those involved has been. It's disgusting. One of my best friends on the planet works at PSU (in fundraising... imagine how this is going to affect HER job) and was born, raised and has lived her entire life in State College, PA. She went to high school with Mike McQueary, and she said he has always been a shit head. She doesn't know why he is still there either... or at least she is not telling if she does know. Cee - Original Message - From: Sandy Alonso To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Cee, Whether your son has a tender heart or no, I'm glad to hear that he recognizes that something should have been done right then, right there. It's clear he is a well-raised young man. You know, I get it when people don't want to get involved in a situation where they might witness someone shoplifting or they see someone hit and run a parked car. That's one thing (although I myself would get involved in both situations). No one's actually being physically or emotionally injured. This is rape! And rape of a *child*, no less! Good grief, was he more concerned that this beloved coach was doing wrong than concerned for the welfare of the boy? I just can not get past the fact that he did not follow up when it appeared nothing had been done. How could you not? (And it's not like he wouldn't know - he was the witness, so you'd definitely know if a policeman or detective didn't come calling.) Your friend's perspective on McQueary is interesting. I was just discussing this with my sister - I said, I didn't realize until recently that the grad assistant who witnessed the rape was that big red-headed jerk on the Penn State coaching staff. I can't recall what the situation was, but I recall him doing SOMETHING at the Outback Bowl this past January that really irritated me. I don't know if he had made a gesture at some Gator players, or what, but I already didn't like the guy prior to this. I like him even less, now. Really, I will NOT be surprised if his coaching job was awarded as payment for a coverup. Sandy On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: ** Sandy... this is exactly what my son said last night when we were discussing the issue. He can't get over it. He is just so disgusted that a bunch of grown men would keep this quiet for so long. This is a man-child who can't even watch a TV show or movie in which a kid is being mistreated verbally so I know he has a tender heart, and the only times he ever got in trouble for fighting at school, he was taking up for some girl who was being harassed by a guy or guys. I know he wouldn't just walk away from the scene Mike McQueary walked away from. I am proud to know that Trevor realizes how reprehensible the behavior of all those involved has been. It's disgusting. One of my best friends on the planet works at PSU (in fundraising... imagine how this is going to affect HER job) and was born, raised and has lived her entire life in State College, PA. She went to high school with Mike McQueary, and she said he has always been a shit head. She doesn't know why he is still there either... or at least she is not telling if she does know. Cee - Original Message - *From:* Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2011 12:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Penn State Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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My question is this - why is he still there at all? One can never say for sure what they would do when faced with something so horrific happening in front of them. One would THINK a 28-year-old grown man would intervene to protect a child being raped. But let's just say it was so overwhelmingly horrible to have witnessed and he went into a kind of shock, thus preventing him from shouting or physically intervening. Why did he not call the police after he called his father to tell him about it? Why didn't the father call the police? Okay, let's give that all the benefit of the doubt, that they felt that Coach Paterno had to be informed first. Why didn't McQueary do something when the police never came to question him? Why didn't he question why Sandusky still had access to the football buildings? It was evident at some point that the guy was never reported to the authorities. How could you live with knowing the guy got away with it scott-free (well, up until now)? Was there some sort of fear of retribution? Was he given a full-time coaching position in exchange for keeping quiet? Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. At minimum, I'd have called the police. Something just doesn't add up right in this McQueary story. It's disgusting that they would turn their eyes to a serial pedophile just to preserve the pristine reputation of Penn State. Besides the horrendous fact that they in a sense helped enable this sicko to continue to do what he was doing, they also managed to take that sterling reputation and stick it further in the muck than if they'd just done the right thing and called the police. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.com wrote: He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.comwrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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I not sticking my nose in this mess, but it sure does seem quite a bit like a certain other cases at a large respected institution. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Alonso Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:52 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State My question is this - why is he still there at all? One can never say for sure what they would do when faced with something so horrific happening in front of them. One would THINK a 28-year-old grown man would intervene to protect a child being raped. But let's just say it was so overwhelmingly horrible to have witnessed and he went into a kind of shock, thus preventing him from shouting or physically intervening. Why did he not call the police after he called his father to tell him about it? Why didn't the father call the police? Okay, let's give that all the benefit of the doubt, that they felt that Coach Paterno had to be informed first. Why didn't McQueary do something when the police never came to question him? Why didn't he question why Sandusky still had access to the football buildings? It was evident at some point that the guy was never reported to the authorities. How could you live with knowing the guy got away with it scott-free (well, up until now)? Was there some sort of fear of retribution? Was he given a full-time coaching position in exchange for keeping quiet? Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. At minimum, I'd have called the police. Something just doesn't add up right in this McQueary story. It's disgusting that they would turn their eyes to a serial pedophile just to preserve the pristine reputation of Penn State. Besides the horrendous fact that they in a sense helped enable this sicko to continue to do what he was doing, they also managed to take that sterling reputation and stick it further in the muck than if they'd just done the right thing and called the police. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.commailto:hhsga...@gmail.com wrote: He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.commailto:zebu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.ushttp://www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801tel:%28727%29%20823-3801 www.helenhuntley.comhttp://www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.ushttp://www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Thanks for sending this, it makes a lot of sense out of a very senseless situation. I couldn't for the life of me figure out how McQueary still had a job, but your speculation is probably spot on. This whole situation is so vile and disgusting, I just can't fathom how this many adults are involved and it takes a dozen years and a grand jury indictment to finally stop the abuse. JoePa was never one of my favorites, everyone liked to old him up as a paragon of virtue, but he was really no different than most other coaches when it came to disciplining players. I forget the year(early 2000's) but he had his starting QB charged with rape, but allowed him to play before the case was adjudicated. Numerous other incidents where boys will be boys, most programs get raked over the coals, but not good old Joe. I was talking to a business partner the other day, and said what this shows is that you always need to do the right thing, no matter how hard, or what personal sacrifice is required. Now JoePa 's name will never be mentioned without reference to this ugly episode. I wonder if the Big Ten will rename their championship trophy - it is currently called the Stagg-Paterno trophy. Now, do we have a game this weekend? Ken K MNGator On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.com wrote: He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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As far as I'm concerned...still doesn't excuse him for not reporting this to authorities LOONNG ago! - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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I'm not excusing him by any means. I'm just pointing out why I think he hasn't been charged. Think about it--if he is charged, then he isn't going to testify against the others on 5th amendment grounds. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Wanda Barry g8...@comcast.net wrote: ** As far as I'm concerned...still doesn't excuse him for not reporting this to authorities LOONNG ago! - Original Message - *From:* Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.com *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2011 10:52 AM *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Penn State He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.comwrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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If so, they should build a statue honoring him outside their stadium. He's a man of conscience and decency. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.com To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Penn State Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 11:20 am Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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A good man. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Penn State Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 11:52 am He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley(727) 823-3801www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007 - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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It's disgusting that they would turn their eyes to a serial pedophile just to preserve the pristine reputation of Penn State. I think it will come out that everyone, including Paterno, was trying to protect the program. Paula and I both served as State of Florida administrators of child welfare, child abuse prevention and child protection agencies. It's very common for other family members to deny obvious signs and even ignore visual evidence of child sexual abuse within a family. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Sandy Alonso sandyalons...@gmail.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Penn State Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 12:51 pm My question is this - why is he still there at all? One can never say for sure what they would do when faced with something so horrific happening in front of them. One would THINK a 28-year-old grown man would intervene to protect a child being raped. But let's just say it was so overwhelmingly horrible to have witnessed and he went into a kind of shock, thus preventing him from shouting or physically intervening. Why did he not call the police after he called his father to tell him about it? Why didn't the father call the police? Okay, let's give that all the benefit of the doubt, that they felt that Coach Paterno had to be informed first. Why didn't McQueary do something when the police never came to question him? Why didn't he question why Sandusky still had access to the football buildings? It was evident at some point that the guy was never reported to the authorities. How could you live with knowing the guy got away with it scott-free (well, up until now)? Was there some sort of fear of retribution? Was he given a full-time coaching position in exchange for keeping quiet? Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. At minimum, I'd have called the police. Something just doesn't add up right in this McQueary story. It's disgusting that they would turn their eyes to a serial pedophile just to preserve the pristine reputation of Penn State. Besides the horrendous fact that they in a sense helped enable this sicko to continue to do what he was doing, they also managed to take that sterling reputation and stick it further in the muck than if they'd just done the right thing and called the police. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.com wrote: He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007 - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions
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Pray, tell! Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Penn State Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 12:54 pm I not sticking my nose in this mess, but it sure does seem quite a bit like a certain other cases at a large respected institution. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Alonso Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:52 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State My question is this - why is he still there at all? One can never say for sure what they would do when faced with something so horrific happening in front of them. One would THINK a 28-year-old grown man would intervene to protect a child being raped. But let's just say it was so overwhelmingly horrible to have witnessed and he went into a kind of shock, thus preventing him from shouting or physically intervening. Why did he not call the police after he called his father to tell him about it? Why didn't the father call the police? Okay, let's give that all the benefit of the doubt, that they felt that Coach Paterno had to be informed first. Why didn't McQueary do something when the police never came to question him? Why didn't he question why Sandusky still had access to the football buildings? It was evident at some point that the guy was never reported to the authorities. How could you live with knowing the guy got away with it scott-free (well, up until now)? Was there some sort of fear of retribution? Was he given a full-time coaching position in exchange for keeping quiet? Frankly, if I was a 28-year-old big burly guy like McQueary, I would have gone into those showers and beat the living tar out of Sandusky, right then and there. At minimum, I'd have called the police. Something just doesn't add up right in this McQueary story. It's disgusting that they would turn their eyes to a serial pedophile just to preserve the pristine reputation of Penn State. Besides the horrendous fact that they in a sense helped enable this sicko to continue to do what he was doing, they also managed to take that sterling reputation and stick it further in the muck than if they'd just done the right thing and called the police. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.com wrote: He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball
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As my grandpa used to say, The first pig to.squeal is still a pig. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Wanda Barry g8...@comcast.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Penn State Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 1:19 pm As far as I'm concerned...still doesn't excuse him for not reporting this to authorities LOONNG ago! - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired.I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney.Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense.The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender.No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years.The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him.If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute.-Zeb--GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions2008 National Football Champions |Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007 - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Your theory sounds quite possible Zeb, but we have also heard there was a 1998 grand jury investigation which did nothing, right? And who reported what in 1998? This has been going on so long it is just crazy. gatortc From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lpolh...@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:29 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State As my grandpa used to say, The first pig to.squeal is still a pig. Sent from my HTC InspireT 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Wanda Barry g8...@comcast.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Penn State Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 1:19 pm As far as I'm concerned...still doesn't excuse him for not reporting this to authorities LOONNG ago! - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley mailto:hhsga...@gmail.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007 - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Here is an excerpt from a recent AP new article which referenced a 1998 grand jury investigation of Sandusky. He should have been jailed long before the 2002 incident could have occurred. Curley denied that the assistant had reported anything of a sexual nature, calling it merely `horsing around,' the 23-page grand jury report said. But he also testified that he barred Sandusky from bringing children onto campus and that he advised Spanier of the matter. The grand jury said Curley was lying, Kelly said, adding that it also deemed portions of Schultz's testimony not to be credible. Schultz told the jurors he also knew of a 1998 investigation involving sexually inappropriate behavior by Sandusky with a boy in the showers the football team used. But despite his job overseeing campus police, he never reported the 2002 allegations to any authorities, never sought or received a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002, the jurors wrote. No one from the university did so. gatortc From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Clarke Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:59 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Penn State Your theory sounds quite possible Zeb, but we have also heard there was a 1998 grand jury investigation which did nothing, right? And who reported what in 1998? This has been going on so long it is just crazy. gatortc From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lpolh...@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:29 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State As my grandpa used to say, The first pig to.squeal is still a pig. Sent from my HTC InspireT 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Wanda Barry g8...@comcast.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Penn State Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 1:19 pm As far as I'm concerned...still doesn't excuse him for not reporting this to authorities LOONNG ago! - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley mailto:hhsga...@gmail.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Penn State He is the key witness for the prosecution. People who testify against their higher ups often are not prosecuted. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Vega zebu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Dooley and others have wondered why PSU Grad Assistant Mike McQueary has not been fired. I don't know that answer, but would point out a few tidbits from the perspective of an attorney. Several articles mention that the failure of a University to report possible child abuse (and that is putting it way too gently) is a Federal offense. The Feds have a whistleblower statute to protect the job of the person who turns in the offender. No one has mentioned who finally brought this matter to the attention of the authorities after all of these years. The PSU Trustees have not only affirmed that McQueary will neither be fired nor demoted, they have also taken affirmative steps to protect him. If I had to speculate, I would go with the theory that McQueary's conscience finally got to him, he reported the events to the authorities, and that he is protected under a state or Federal whistle-blower statute. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007 - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996
