Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-18 Thread lpolhill
I've been a Gator long enough to remember the UF-Miami annual rivalry game 
before FSU became a part of our schedule. I'd trade a weekend in Tally for a 
weekend in Miami in a heartbeat. 
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From: ken...@earthlink.net
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:16:16 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move   
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the 
SEC in '92.  They were invited and they declined.

I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year.

Go Gators

Ken B. (NYC Gator)
  
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-Original Message-
From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:47 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move   
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

Your memory is correct, sir.

The question I have a problem with is why we didn't add UM back when  
the NCAA made the 12th game permanent? We had played UM off and on  
whenever the goofy prior rule allowed a 12th game.

-Zeb

On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:40 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:

 If the schedule fell the right way, it wasn't so difficult to win  
 the championship.  Unfortunately, we never managed it (except in  
 '84 and '85, when the lousy hypocrites wouldn't recognize our titles).

 I think they went to seven conference games in 1990, then eight  
 with the expansion in '92.

 This is why we had to drop scUM from the schedule.

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RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-18 Thread Jerry Belloit
Me too Leon!  Although Miami did not seem to me to be much of a rivalry
until after the flop.

 

Jerry

 

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To: Gatortalk
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

 

I've been a Gator long enough to remember the UF-Miami annual rivalry game
before FSU became a part of our schedule. I'd trade a weekend in Tally for a
weekend in Miami in a heartbeat. 

Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

  _  

From: ken...@earthlink.net 

Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:16:16 +

To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

 

Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined
the SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined.

I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year.

Go Gators

Ken B. (NYC Gator)

Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed

  _  

From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net 

Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:47 -0400

To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

 

Your memory is correct, sir.

 

The question I have a problem with is why we didn't add UM back when the
NCAA made the 12th game permanent? We had played UM off and on whenever the
goofy prior rule allowed a 12th game.

 

-Zeb

 

On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:40 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:





If the schedule fell the right way, it wasn't so difficult to win the
championship.  Unfortunately, we never managed it (except in '84 and '85,
when the lousy hypocrites wouldn't recognize our titles).

 

I think they went to seven conference games in 1990, then eight with the
expansion in '92.

 

This is why we had to drop scUM from the schedule.

 

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-18 Thread Arthur Polhill
We had great parties together.
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain 





From: Jerry Belloit bell...@clarion.edu
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 8:09:14 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move 
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]


Me too Leon!  Although Miami did not seem to me to be much of a rivalry until 
after the “flop.”
 
Jerry
 
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To: Gatortalk
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move 
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
 
I've been a Gator long enough to remember the UF-Miami annual rivalry game 
before FSU became a part of our schedule. I'd trade a weekend in Tally for a 
weekend in Miami in a heartbeat. 
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From: ken...@earthlink.net 
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:16:16 +
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move 
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
 
Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the 
SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined.

I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year.

Go Gators

Ken B. (NYC Gator)
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From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net 
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:47 -0400
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move 
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
 
Your memory is correct, sir.
 
The question I have a problem with is why we didn't add UM back when the NCAA 
made the 12th game permanent? We had played UM off and on whenever the goofy 
prior rule allowed a 12th game.
 
-Zeb
 
On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:40 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:


If the schedule fell the right way, it wasn't so difficult to win the 
championship.  Unfortunately, we never managed it (except in '84 and '85, when 
the lousy hypocrites wouldn't recognize our titles).
 
I think they went to seven conference games in 1990, then eight with the 
expansion in '92.
 
This is why we had to drop scUM from the schedule.
 
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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-17 Thread kenb23
Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the 
SEC in '92.  They were invited and they declined.

I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year.

Go Gators

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-Original Message-
From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:47 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move   
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

Your memory is correct, sir.

The question I have a problem with is why we didn't add UM back when  
the NCAA made the 12th game permanent? We had played UM off and on  
whenever the goofy prior rule allowed a 12th game.

-Zeb

On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:40 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:

 If the schedule fell the right way, it wasn't so difficult to win  
 the championship.  Unfortunately, we never managed it (except in  
 '84 and '85, when the lousy hypocrites wouldn't recognize our titles).

 I think they went to seven conference games in 1990, then eight  
 with the expansion in '92.

 This is why we had to drop scUM from the schedule.

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-17 Thread John Vega
I'd like to play them every year, as we are better than UM year in  
and year out.


However, our goofy we play a couple times every decade somehow always  
results in us playing them when they are good and we are not, giving  
a distorted result to the series.


Spurrier or Meyer our coach? Better not play UM.

Zook coaching? Let's play twice!

-Zeb


On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:

Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have  
joined the SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined.


I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year.


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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-17 Thread Steve McKibben
I think when we had the chance to add them permanently, both schools quietly 
didn't want to, for different reasons;

UF - We're on top, they have trouble putting butts (but not a-holes) in the 
seats - why should we give them a boost by putting them on our schedule?

UM - We like to say that they chickened out of our series with them, back in 
the day when we were good. Getting pounded by them every year would make that 
claim look weaker and weaker with each successive beating, so let's not press 
the issue. 

--- On Thu, 6/17/10, John Vega zebu...@gate.net wrote:



I'd like to play them every year, as we are better than UM year in and year out.
However, our goofy we play a couple times every decade somehow always results 
in us playing them when they are good and we are not, giving a distorted result 
to the series. 
Spurrier or Meyer our coach? Better not play UM. 
Zook coaching? Let's play twice!
-Zeb

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-17 Thread kenb23
Meyer has beaten scUM, in 2008.

Only time we palyed them since he became HC, I think.

Go Gators

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-Original Message-
From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:24:00 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

I'd like to play them every year, as we are better than UM year in  
and year out.

However, our goofy we play a couple times every decade somehow always  
results in us playing them when they are good and we are not, giving  
a distorted result to the series.

Spurrier or Meyer our coach? Better not play UM.

Zook coaching? Let's play twice!

-Zeb


On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have  
 joined the SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined.

 I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year.

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-17 Thread Shane Ford
It is the only time Meyer has coached against them while at UF according to 
Wikipedia.

SHANE




From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 11:01:04 AM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move 
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

Meyer has beaten scUM, in 2008.

Only time we palyed them since he became HC, I think.

Go Gators

Ken B. (NYC Gator)

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From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net 
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:24:00 -0400
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move 
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]
I'd like to play them every year, as we are better than UM year in and year 
out. 

However, our goofy we play a couple times every decade somehow always results 
in us playing them when they are good and we are not, giving a distorted result 
to the series. 

Spurrier or Meyer our coach? Better not play UM. 

Zook coaching? Let's play twice!

-Zeb



On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:

Well, if scUM really wanted to play us every year, they would have joined the 
SEC in '92. They were invited and they declined.

I have no desire to play them at all, let alone every year.
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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-16 Thread John Vega


On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:

If a conference is small enough for every team to meet during the  
season, I would prefer no conference CG.


I agree with your preference, but am realistic enough to realize that  
the additional $ from a championship game are too much to pass up.


I'd go a bit further and postulate that the optimal conference sizes  
are 9 (everyone plays everyone) or 12 (eligible for conference  
championship). 10 or 11 are just plain stupid, some teams don't play  
each other, yet there is no conference championship.


So, assuming all stupid 10 or 11 team conferences move to 12; we need  
3 teams to step up to the big leagues (formerly the PAC 10 needed 2  
and the Big 10 needed 1; now the PAC 10 needs 1 and the Big 12 needs  
- or will need - 2).


So, who will those 3 be? Utah and...

-Zeb

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RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-16 Thread Charlie
The big 12 now 10 seems to be happy with no championship game.  Rumor dujour
has the Pac 10 now 11 inviting Utah maybe as soon as today.
 
Charlie.
 
BTW how far is Boulder, CO and Salt Lake City from the Pacific?

  _  

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Behalf Of John Vega
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:10 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]



On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:


If a conference is small enough for every team to meet during the season, I
would prefer no conference CG.


I agree with your preference, but am realistic enough to realize that the
additional $ from a championship game are too much to pass up.

I'd go a bit further and postulate that the optimal conference sizes are 9
(everyone plays everyone) or 12 (eligible for conference championship). 10
or 11 are just plain stupid, some teams don't play each other, yet there is
no conference championship.

So, assuming all stupid 10 or 11 team conferences move to 12; we need 3
teams to step up to the big leagues (formerly the PAC 10 needed 2 and the
Big 10 needed 1; now the PAC 10 needs 1 and the Big 12 needs - or will need
- 2).

So, who will those 3 be? Utah and...

-Zeb

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-16 Thread John Vega
I wouldn't be surprised if Salt Lake City weren't about the same as  
some of the Arizona schools.


I've driven from the Sonoma Coast to Lake Tahoe, it's not that far.  
Granted, Lake Tahoe is on the border.


Now Boulder, that seems like a hike.

-Zeb

On Jun 16, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Charlie wrote:

The big 12 now 10 seems to be happy with no championship game.   
Rumor dujour has the Pac 10 now 11 inviting Utah maybe as soon as  
today.


Charlie.

BTW how far is Boulder, CO and Salt Lake City from the Pacific?



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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-16 Thread oliver
Yes, they need at least 12 to have the championship game. 
They and the big ten are expanding simply because they're tired of being 
overlooked the last week of the season while the se c is getting all the 
attention. 

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-Original Message-
From: Charlie ces1...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:32:24 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move  
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

The big 12 now 10 seems to be happy with no championship game.  Rumor dujour
has the Pac 10 now 11 inviting Utah maybe as soon as today.
 
Charlie.
 
BTW how far is Boulder, CO and Salt Lake City from the Pacific?

  _  

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Behalf Of John Vega
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:10 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]



On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:


If a conference is small enough for every team to meet during the season, I
would prefer no conference CG.


I agree with your preference, but am realistic enough to realize that the
additional $ from a championship game are too much to pass up.

I'd go a bit further and postulate that the optimal conference sizes are 9
(everyone plays everyone) or 12 (eligible for conference championship). 10
or 11 are just plain stupid, some teams don't play each other, yet there is
no conference championship.

So, assuming all stupid 10 or 11 team conferences move to 12; we need 3
teams to step up to the big leagues (formerly the PAC 10 needed 2 and the
Big 10 needed 1; now the PAC 10 needs 1 and the Big 12 needs - or will need
- 2).

So, who will those 3 be? Utah and...

-Zeb

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-16 Thread kenb23
By the way, I remember when the SEC season had only six conference games.  A 
ten team conference and only six conference games.  It wasn't that long ago.

If the schedule fell the right way, it wasn't so difficult to win the 
championship.  Unfortunately, we never managed it (except in '84 and '85, when 
the lousy hypocrites wouldn't recognize our titles).

I think they went to seven conference games in 1990, then eight with the 
expansion in '92.

This is why we had to drop scUM from the schedule.


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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-15 Thread gogators
The NCAA requires 12 teams.

GoGators!!!
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Quoting Woody gatorrr...@gmail.com:

 *Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan
 Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when
 it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members.*
 
 Why not?
 

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-15 Thread John Vega

Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now.

I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the  
conference championship.


-Zeb

On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Woody wrote:

Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner  
Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now,  
especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10  
members.


Why not?


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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-15 Thread kenb23
Eleven isn't enough for a CG.  The Big 10 has had eleven since Penn State 
joined.

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-Original Message-
From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:17:48 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move 
helps  Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now.

I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the  
conference championship.

-Zeb

On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Woody wrote:

 Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner  
 Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now,  
 especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10  
 members.

 Why not?

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-15 Thread oliver
They have to add 2 teams with Colorado and Nebraska to replace. 
I wonder how somebody like Utah and Brigham Young would fit there. 
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-Original Message-
From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:17:48 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move 
helps  Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now.

I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the  
conference championship.

-Zeb

On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Woody wrote:

 Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner  
 Dan Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now,  
 especially when it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10  
 members.

 Why not?

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-15 Thread John Vega


On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:32 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:

Eleven isn't enough for a CG. The Big 10 has had eleven since Penn  
State joined.


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From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:17:48 -0400
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 ---  
Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]


Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now.

I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the  
conference championship.


-Zeb


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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-15 Thread Woody
I dont think conference size should matter... I personallly think:

1)  All NCAA conferences should have a championship game
2)  No conferences should have an auto bid to a bcs game

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:32 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Eleven isn't enough for a CG. The Big 10 has had eleven since Penn State
 joined.

 Go Gators

 Ken B. (NYC Gator)

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 *From: *John Vega zebu...@gate.net
 *Date: *Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:17:48 -0400
 *To: *gatortalk@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas
 move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

 Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now.

 I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the
 conference championship.

 -Zeb

  On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Woody wrote:

  *Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan
 Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when
 it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members.*

 Why not?


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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-15 Thread John Vega
Only one of those two leaves immediately; the other leaves after this  
season.


To keep its Championship game, one team would need to be added before  
this season, and another after this season.


Then again, things could have changed recently, there seem to be  
hourly reversals of course.


-Zeb

On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:31 AM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote:


They have to add 2 teams with Colorado and Nebraska to replace.
I wonder how somebody like Utah and Brigham Young would fit there.


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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

2010-06-15 Thread kenb23
If a conference is small enough for every team to meet during the season, I 
would prefer no conference CG.

I think the team that plays better over the course of a season should be 
champion, not a team that gets a hot streak.


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-Original Message-
From: Woody gatorrr...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:45:08 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas move 
helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

I dont think conference size should matter... I personallly think:

1)  All NCAA conferences should have a championship game
2)  No conferences should have an auto bid to a bcs game

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:32 AM, ken...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Eleven isn't enough for a CG. The Big 10 has had eleven since Penn State
 joined.

 Go Gators

 Ken B. (NYC Gator)

 Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed
 --
 *From: *John Vega zebu...@gate.net
 *Date: *Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:17:48 -0400
 *To: *gatortalk@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [ESPN]: 6/15 09:40 --- Texas
 move helps Big 12 survive [Joe Schad]

 Well, it won't go down to 10 for another year; it has 11 now.

 I would think that it could add a single team in time to save the
 conference championship.

 -Zeb

  On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Woody wrote:

  *Among those that still need to be answered by Big 12 commissioner Dan
 Beebe is how and why the Big 12 will be more lucrative now, especially when
 it cannot hold a conference title game with only 10 members.*

 Why not?


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