Re: g_b WRIST BANDS
In the U.S. guys used to wear color hankies in their back pocket to show what kind of sex they liked, and left or right pocket meant "top or bottom". That was a bit before my time (the 70s) and I think it went away, in part, because gays just didn't want everybody seeing what they were. And even though there were lots of hanky colors to mean lots of things, it was probably still too simplistic. In leather crowds or bear crowds they might still be used, but only at the bar or party, not out in public. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, manu nehru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cooper, > I think he was just suggesting that wrist bands or some such thing be worn for gays to easily identify each other and thus avoid running into the wrong guys. > Manu > > doc cop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi > yesterday someone was inquiring about coloured wrist bands to show there sexual preferances > Why should one where his sexuality on his hand??? > > hetrosexuals have a wide range of sexual preferances > do they wear it on their hands > they find a freind and see if that person can b a mate too > and tehn explore the sexual compatibility and normally make the best out of it > > hence why should gays make the sex preferance their identity or the priority in finding a freind > > cooper > > > > - > Tried the new MSN Messenger? It's cool! Download now. > > > > > - > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers >
g_b Re: need help
This is just my opinion from my own experiance, but I spent the good prime decade of my "youth" working at different group homes for mentally retarded and mentally ill adults. It paid terrible. I ended up just worn out. I can't do it anymore, I'd scream. It was very rewarding in "spiritual" ways, sure, but that don't pay the bills. So now I'm older and poor. My job skills made me a "Super Mom", and you can't take that to a nice job interview. Ha ha. Keep one foot in the world. There's many ways to help those who are needy if we all just keep our eyes open. It's very hard to make money. Peter
Re: g_b my new novel
Hollywood Sinners from Stone Garden Publishers In the 1930s, a farm girl goes to Hollywood to be a star. That's not a very easy thing to do, of course, but she is literally starving and she's just killed her husband. So she's determined. She gets involved with prostitution, gangsters, and a lesbian owner of a dance hall (who becomes a fun friend). She even gets involved with a bit of Nazi fighting - the plot is real madcap! The story is lighter than it would seem. It's full of delight. It's also very spiritual as our heroin is touched with magic from unlikely places. It's hard to put in a nutshell because it's very original (for sounding superficially like a gangster potboiler). The owner of the publisher sent me a contract immediately upon reading it, saying, "It really grabbed me!" Peter
g_b Re: 'Advances towards straight men'
And I just want to add: that gay men are usually embarrassed easily by passes not being taken, so we really are careful about making passes. Straight men think they have the right to make passes, make them more indiscriminately, and often just laugh it off (even if a woman is freaked out about how she was treated.) Peter
Re: g_b my new novel
Thanks! When it becomes available as an ebook I'll let you all know since it might be easier to get it that way for some of you (and I hope it's cheaper that way!). Peter (who is very cheap) --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Bloot Fontaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Congratulations! More power to your elbow! > > peterswansonmpls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My novel Hollywood Sinners is out now in paperback. Yay! Here is the > link to the online bookstore > > > > > > > > - > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers >
g_b Re: 'Advances towards straight men'
I don't know a single gay man who hasn't had that "ooops" happen. Get over it. I was once at a party and a man said he was studying French. The only French I knew at the time translated into English as "You are a very beautiful man". So I said it to him. He looked at me oddly and avoided me the rest of the party. Oh well. It never hurts to try, unless they beat you up, and then that hurts. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "jay_hvdc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > forgive me if this is a topic we have previous discussed, but i think > it is something we can all relate too. > > a few days a go i attened a wedding reception with a group of > freinds. as usual, i was left alone repeating the line, 'why am i > hear, i don't know anyone'. but i sat it out for a good three hours. > by the way, this was a wonderful party decorated with flowers, > glitter, ice scultures and best of all a large choclate fountain. > > about 20 minutes later, fed up of screaming children running around, > i got up and went to the choclate machine. ironically, the fountain > was free of screaming children, they just happened to be were i sat. > i started preapring an skewer of fruit, and dipped it into the > fountain. my head was spinning a bit, a result of a 'free sprits > bar'. > > i removed my fruit which was now covered in a dilicous array of > choclate slush, and was about to return to my table. then suddenly i > heard a large manly groan behind me. it sounded sexual, so i > immdeatly tunred around. (well who can blame me?) as i tunred round i > heard laughter, and this was because the man behind me had dipped his > entire arm accidently into the fountain. he was wearing a smart pink > long sheleved shirt, which the left shleve was now covered in a brown > goo. > > he was taller than i am, and thinner. he was clean shaven, which made > him look incrediably cute. i would have said he was about 21+, but > the good old teenage achne gave his age away he was 18. i just wanted > to stare at him with the choclate ozoing off, of him. it was quite > arousing, but knowing my good nature, i immediatly reached for the > paper towels. what a strange conisidence, the towels were also pink, > and i kept pilling them onto his elbow. he said nothing, but i told > him too keep 'still'. a few seconds later he said 'thanks for this' > to which i replied 'this is the kinder thing that would happen to me > i smpthaise' to which we bothed smiled. he looked better when he > smiled, and cuter. > > then came the silence. oh why could i not think of something to > say ask his name, who is he here with, how he knows the couple, > but i kept shyly quite. > then he said something, 'i look stupid' to which i said 'you look > FINE'. after this came one of the most embrassing moments of my life. > once agian he repeated 'i look stupid'shaking his pretty head, to > which this time i replied 'put it this way, there's at least one > person in this room who would lick it off you.' when i was thinking > of saying that, i did'nt expect it to go anywhere apart from a > giggle. instead his cute face, great hair and dazzling smile turned > to disgust. he said nothing, but gave a look to say, you disgust me, > get away. he immediatly fled into the toilet to wash his arm, and i > wanted to say 'need a hand' i did't. > > the rest of the party he avoided me, and i felt like such an idiot. > this guy was out to have a good time at the party, and people like me > ruin it. needless to say, i felt lower than dirt. > > just felt like i should share that story, as in real life i would > NEVER tell people that story to their face. it feels good to share, > thank god for the internet! > > jayesh >
g_b Re: DOM Cop Is 100 % Right and Absolute
You're right, I was just using the language of that previous post. The Kinsey scale proves it. It's an old scale but has only been more and more validated over time. I hope this link works - it explains it to those of you out there who don't know it off hand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale Peter
g_b my new novel
My novel Hollywood Sinners is out now in paperback. Yay! Here is the link to the online bookstore http://stonegarden.net/ It takes place in 1939 and is full of lurid thrills and tawdry chills as a farm girl goes to Hollywood to be a star! But she just leaves it full of bullet holes and dead gangsters. It will also be available as an ebook, but I don't know where from, yet. Peter
g_b Re: anal sex - what other life forms "DO" about anal sex ..!!!!
Go ahead and complicate the issue! It deserves to be complicated. That's been the problem - in the past it's been too simplified! Peter
g_b rules
This was posted at one of my writer's groups and I stole it (hee hee) and pasted it here. I don't completely agree with ALL of them but they're thought provoking anyway. Peter. 1) If anything can go wrong, Fix It! (To hell with Murphy.) > 2) When given a choice, Take Both! > 3) Multiple projects lead to multiple successes. > 4) Start at the top and work your way up. > 5) Do it by the book...but be the author! > 6) When forced to compromise, ask for more. > 7) If you can't beat them, join them--then beat them! > 8) If it's worth doing it's got to be done right now! > 9) If you can't win, change the rules. > 10) If you can't change the rules, then ignore them. > 11) Perfection is not optional. > 12) When faced without a challenge, make one. > 13) 'No' simply means, begin again at one higher level. > 14) Don't walk when you can run. > 15) Bureaucracy is a challenge to be conquored with a righteous > attitude, a tolerence for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary. > 16) When in doubt: Think! > 17) Patience is a virtue, but persistence to the point of success is a > blessing. > 18) The squeaky wheel gets replaced. > 19) The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live.
g_b Re: anal sex - what other life forms "DO" about anal sex ..!!!!
Well that's a new one for me. I didn't realize some animals did anal sex. Wow. And with no lube! Yikes! Peter (who still finds it hard to believe but "nature" is ALWAYS surprising us, now that we are bothering to look.) --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "edwardxderwent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > dear cooper, > > for the sake of simplicity, i'm breaking up my reponses on this matter > into separate posts. > > in this one (as the subject line indicates, it's about other life > forms on our planet). > > your comment " over the years by hit and trial method man has used > mouth,anus and other bodily and non bodily orifices for penetration " > > now it's very hard to establish the details of this - simply put - the > past is gone, most of it unrecordable and anyway, i doubt that our > immediate pre-human ancestors would speak to us in a way that we would > understand, if only for the reason of language changes. > > timothy taylor in his book - "the pre-history of sex" states that as > far back as we can go, homosexuality has existed. (tim, btw at the > time of writing was lecturing in archeology at a english uni). while > anal sex has not always been identified with every culture, it does > remain an identifiable characteristic of homosexual activity. this > also introduces the problem of whether homosexuality is an activity or > an inclination. i suggest it can be both. > > but back to the dawn of our species on this planet, as we moved from > primate consciousness (whatever that may be) to human consciousness > (whatever it was like at that particular point in time) it is possible > to speculate on homosexual activity as occurring in male only hunting > parties. as men lay together around a night-fire, it would seem only > natural that they find comfort and warmth with each other's bodies. > anal penetration is clearly a possibility at that moment. > > but even prior to that while still in primate consciousness - anal sex > may have been occurring. > > have you read, bruce bagemihl's book, " biological exuberance - animal > homosexuality and natural diversity " ? > > bagemihl catalogues over 400 animals among whom homosexual activity > has been observed. i have not tried to add up the number of these that > engage in anal sex (not all do)... but those animals that do extend > from walruses thru various types of mountain goats to (as expected) > other primates. researchers describe how most males gorilla's (as an > example) know that many male gorillas live in all male groups and > copulate with each other. > > orang-utans are more solitary but still engage in anal penetration. > > bonobo chimpanzees engage in homosexual activity more commonly (it is > thought) than any other species. near to 50% of sexual activity among > them is homosexual in nature, tho not neccessarily all that is > penetrative. > > i'm sure you are aware that some have speculated that humans are the > third chimpanzee type (after bonobo and common chimpanzees). > > while clearly unprovable, it is possible to consider that the primate > species that developed into humans also engaged in homosexual activity. > > we can conclude then that likely same sex activity, including anal > penetration, has been occurring among many animal species, including > the ones that evolved into our human species. anal penetration can > occur among animal species closely related, sharing near 99% of our > genetic structure. > > if anal penetration occurred then, how can it be said that the anus is > not for penetration. > > it clearly can be penetrated, and is still being penetrated. > > does that make sense ? > > > hugs > > > eddie > > __ > > dear eddie > > thanks gfor yr remarks > > they were very pertinant > > but what the writer says and what being a doc i can second > > is that anatomically the anus is not for penetration > > over the years by hit and trial method man has used mouth,anus and > other bodily and non bodily orifices for penetration > > they may be pleasurable > > but are not anatomical > > and there is nothing religious about it! > > cooper >
g_b Re: anal sex
We evolved from animals with the very same body parts. They just aren't "creative". Peter
Re: g_b gay sheep-Vomit - what's so special of being gay? take yourselves too important, eh?
I SO agree that being gay is being special (AND WONDERFUL). ha ha - but I have to also say that the "Troy the Sheep" story was SO FUNNY! What marvelous writing! It needs a writing award! Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Héctor Escobedo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Being Gay means to be a special person. We gay people have the same as everybody else but, we are mucho more sensitive to art, music, literature, good manners and an intuitive form to get alone well with everrybody. > We do not exclude anybody because of sexual preferences, religion, skin color and political ideas. > We gay people when get a couple and remain toguether is because of mutual love and understanding, no laws ore religion at all obliges us to remain toguether but love. Is that a good difference? > warm regards > Twinhector > > euroarab euroarab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > hehehehe. iguess importantjust enough to make an effort, come to this forum and inform us with your wisdom and kind words... > > be safe and try not taking everything seriously as well.. > > kisses on your ear lobes :o) > > badfs ytres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vomit - what's so special of being gay? take yourselves too important, eh? > > >From: "Vikram" > >Reply-To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > >To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: g_b Sheepish pleasures: the last word on gay sheep > >Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:44:04 - > > > >from The New Yorker: SHEEPISH > >by Paul Rudnick > > > >"Charles Roselli set out to discover what makes some sheep gay. Then > >the news media and the blogosphere got hold of the story." > >The Times. > > > >Enough already. I'm Troy, a gay sheep, and I'll tell you the truth. > >Although I'm conflicted about calling myself a gay sheep, because I > >don't like to think that my sexuality defines me; let's just say that > >I'm a sheep who happens to be gay. Being gay is just a simple > >biological fact, like having a fleecy undercoat or bleating while > >you're being shorn, or getting aroused whenever you see a bulky > >turtleneck sweater. > > > >When I was growing up, I assumed that I'd be just like everybody > >else, and that someday I'd be bred with a ewe and slaughtered. But, > >of course, those other feelings were always there; even when I was > >only a few years old I would gaze at another male lamb and think > >about sharing a stall, with just enough hay and maybe a nice mid- > >century trough. I tried not to focus on my urges, and whenever my mom > >caught me rubbing up against the fence post that I called Skipper I'd > >pretend I had lice. But as the years went by I started to act on my > >desires, first with Ed, who was a ram, if you know what I mean. > >Later, I became involved with Rick, a sheep my own age, although > >after our encounters Rick would always claim that he was drunk on > >compost, and he'd butt me with his head and insist, "Dude, let's go > >get us some mutton." > > > >Finally, my dad found me with Rick, and he flew into a blind rage, > >yelling that he had no son, and that if I was lucky I'd end up as a > >cheap Peruvian cardigan worn by a truck-stop hooker in Alaska. And so > >I ran away, and I went wild. I experimented with everyone and > >everything. Bulls. Mules. Duck, duck, goose. I found out exactly why > >they're called the Three Little Pigs. Call me Old McDonald, because I > >had the farm. I even made some adult films, and maybe you've heard of > >them: "Wet Wool," "Lassie, Come Here," and the mega-selling "Hoof and > >Mouth." Then, one morning, I woke up next to a horse, a hen, and an > >ear of cornthat's right, all the food groups. And I was disgusted > >with myself. What was I, livestock? > > > >And so I re-joined my flock, up on Brokeback. I didn't expect to be > >accepted; I just needed some time to graze and grow. I had some > >terrific long talks with a wise old mountain goat, who told > >me, "Look, you can be anything you want to begay, straight, > >pashmina, whatever." And I found my faith again, when I realized > >that, hey, there were sheep on the ark. There were sheep in the > >manger. And at the Last Supper there was stew. > > > >At long last, I found the strength to come out to my family, my > >friends, and even my co-workers, to say right out loud, I'm Troy and > >I'm gay, but I hope that isn't the most interesting thing about me. > >I'm just like you: I like to stand around in the rain and get caught > >in barbed wire and defecate while I'm asleep. And the amazing thing > >wasit was no big deal. Everyone nuzzled me, and my mom said that > >deep down she'd always known, and that she'd hoped that I'd grow up > >to be an artist or a performer or a cashmere crewneck. Of course, > >Little Bo Peep, my shepherdess, got a little teary at first. "Are you > >sure?" she wondered. "I mean, you're so masculine." And I informed > >her that being gay doesn't mean you have to act like a hummingbird or > >a Chihuah
g_b interesting article from the U.S.
Gay Rights Activists Introduce Initiative that Would Require Children in Marriages Feb 5, 2007 04:09 PM CST KENNEWICK, Wash.- A new initiative is turning heads around the state as the gay-marriage debate heats up again. Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed has accepted Initiative 957, a response by gay rights activists to a State Supreme Court ruling last summer. The Washington Supreme Court ruled that the state could prevent gay and lesbian couples from marrying because the state has a legitimate interest in preserving marriage for procreation. The Washington Defense of Marriage Alliance then filed the initiative. I-957 has five clauses that would have to be met for a legal marriage. It would allow only couples capable of having kids to marry, and that they file "proof of procreation" within three years of the marriage. If not, the marriage would be annulled. Many people think the law is over the top. Leaders at a Kennewick church with gay and lesbian members feel the same. "There are many marriages that are not about having children. There are many couples who marry later in life, they marry for companionship, they marry because they want to create a family," said the Reverend Janet Pierce. "They don't necessarily marry to have children," Pierce said. I-957 would also force couples who married out of state to show the same proof of procreation or their marriage wouldn't be recognized, and it would become a criminal act for anyone in an unrecognized marriage to get marriage benefits. To make it on the November ballot they need 224,800 signatures by July
Re: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity
>From what I've heard it's still all theories, and interesting ones. There was some show on American TV and it said that a male baby is actually a "foreign" thing in a pregnant woman's body. Her body can react to it as a foreign thing and that can change the chemistry to maybe cause a gay child. Peter (who always feels foreign) --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "Tat Twam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Manu, > > Thanks for sharing your opinion, however, that does not count as scientific > evidence as requested by *muscular masculine.* I am sure all is there on the > net. But can anyone please point to a good set of references *giving all > sides of the opinions*? > > Preyas.. > > On 2/3/07, doc cop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >It has been proved beyond doubt that sexual preferances have a lot to > > do with genetics and hormones,in the womb!!! > > > > early exposure to sex and the type of sex ,may tilt a borderline or > > straight guy to bisexuality > > > > what does GOY stand for! > > > > and i agree with manu,begay and having gay inclinations are are two ends > > of a spectrum of degrees with wide range of fantasies and indulgance > > > > i too hav always luved the compony of men and boys,just as one gets kicks > > in compony of girls!! > > > > and being into anals is no definition to be gay > > > > as per medical books only 5 % gays cannot live without getting into anal > > sex > > > > and i think the percentage would be same in the hetrosexual world too > > > > its more to do with the mind ,than with the act > > > > cooper > > > > -- > > From: *"peterswansonmpls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: *Re: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity* > > Date: *Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:55:37 -* > > > > It IS the theory floating around now that one is "made gay" in the > > womb. It's complicated, involving hormones, but it does explain why > > identical twins can be gay and straight. > > > > "GOYs" are an odd bunch, to me, since I heard about them for the > > first time through Yahoo. I wonder who made that name up? I know a > > lot a people who just call themselves "gay" and they're not into anal > > sex. I don't know why the labels have become so strict. > > > > Peter > > > > --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, manu nehru wrote: > > > > > > I tend to agree with,Cooper. I am married with kids.Yet I am > > attracted to men.There is something new in Yahoo Groups called > > G0Ys.ie men who are attracted to men and yet not into anal sex and > > stuff.I think my genetic profile somehow got f***ed up a little bit > > because I was concieved almost immediately after my elder sibling was > > born. Maybe my mother's body did not have enough time to regroup. We > > all know that a woman's hormones etc go haywire during pregnancy and > > childbirth. > > > Manu > > > > > > muscular masculine wrote: > > > Cooper could u give us proof of your say that > > homosexuality is genetically dependant-mj. > > > > > > -Original Mail- > > > From: doc cop > > > Sent: Sunday, 28th January 2007 9:56 pm > > > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity > > > > > > as i had mentioned in one of my earlier emails,homosexuality is > > genetically dependant and results due to hormonal changes > > > > > > the gene has been identified in the mothers of gays > > > > > > and the percentage of such moms with this gene is very high with > > twin gays or two siblings gay > > > > > > environmental and social customs can effect sexuality,by creating > > false morality or social obligation but it cannot change the > > temperament or the desire of the personn > > > > > > cooper > > > > > > > > > == > > > From: "gay_bombay moderator" > > > Reply-To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > > > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity > > > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:12:24 +0530 > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/25/science/25sheep.html?ei
Re: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity
It IS the theory floating around now that one is "made gay" in the womb. It's complicated, involving hormones, but it does explain why identical twins can be gay and straight. "GOYs" are an odd bunch, to me, since I heard about them for the first time through Yahoo. I wonder who made that name up? I know a lot a people who just call themselves "gay" and they're not into anal sex. I don't know why the labels have become so strict. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, manu nehru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tend to agree with,Cooper. I am married with kids.Yet I am attracted to men.There is something new in Yahoo Groups called G0Ys.ie men who are attracted to men and yet not into anal sex and stuff.I think my genetic profile somehow got f***ed up a little bit because I was concieved almost immediately after my elder sibling was born. Maybe my mother's body did not have enough time to regroup. We all know that a woman's hormones etc go haywire during pregnancy and childbirth. > Manu > > muscular masculine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cooper could u give us proof of your say that homosexuality is genetically dependant-mj. > > -Original Mail- > From: doc cop > Sent: Sunday, 28th January 2007 9:56 pm > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity > > as i had mentioned in one of my earlier emails,homosexuality is genetically dependant and results due to hormonal changes > > the gene has been identified in the mothers of gays > > and the percentage of such moms with this gene is very high with twin gays or two siblings gay > > environmental and social customs can effect sexuality,by creating false morality or social obligation but it cannot change the temperament or the desire of the personn > > cooper > > > == > From: "gay_bombay moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Subject: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:12:24 +0530 > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/25/science/25sheep.html?ei=5087% 0A&em=&en=ba2500e4c3032167&ex=1169874000&pagewanted=all Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad PublicityBy JOHN SCHWARTZPublished: January 25, 2007Charles Roselli set out to discover what makes some sheep gay. Then the news media and the blogosphere got hold of the story.Skip to next paragraphLynn Ketchum/Oregon State University > > Dr. Charles Roselli has been criticized for his study of gay sheep. > > Dr. Roselli, a researcher at the Oregon Health and Science University, has searched for the past five years for physiological factors that might explain why about 8 percent of rams seek sex exclusively with other rams instead of ewes. The goal, he says, is to understand the fundamental mechanisms of sexual orientation in sheep. Other researchers might some day build on his findings to seek ways to determine which rams are likeliest to breed, he said. > > But since last fall, when People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals started a campaign against the research, it has drawn a torrent of outrage from animal rights activists, gay advocates and ordinary citizens around the world â" all of it based, Dr. Roselli and colleagues say, on a bizarre misinterpretation of what the work is about. > > The story of the gay sheep became a textbook example of the distortion and vituperation that can result when science meets the global news cycle. > > The news media storm reached its zenith last month, when The Sunday Times in London published an article under the headline "Science Told: Hands Off Gay Sheep." It asserted, incorrectly, that Dr. Roselli had worked successfully to "cure" homosexual rams with hormone treatments, and added that "critics fear" that the research "could pave the way for breeding out homosexuality in humans." > > Martina Navratilova , the tennis star who is both openly gay and a PETA ally, wrote in an open letter that the research "can only be surmised as an attempt to develop a prenatal treatment" for sexual conditions. > > The controversy spilled into the blog world, with attacks on Dr. Roselli, his university and Oregon State University, which is also involved in the research. PETA began an e-mail campaign that the universities say resulted in 20,000 protests, some with language like "you are a worthless animal killer and you should be shot," "I hope you burn in hell" and "please, die." > > The news coverage, which has been heaviest in England and Australia, focused on smirk and titillation â" and, of course, puns. Headlines included "Ewe Turn for Gay Rams on Hormones" and "He's Just Not That Into Ewe." > > In recent weeks, the tide has begun to turn, with Dr. Roselli and Jim Newman, an Oregon Health and Science publicist, saying they have been working to correct the record in print and online. Th
Re: g_b GAY guys need SEX everyday with NEW guy -that is whole fuckin TRUTH
I like having sex with a man I know WELL, so I trust him. Sex with a new man (and not just every day) sounds really scary to me. Sex is a powerful force in our bodies, but the fastest and biggest turn off is fear (at least for me). Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Salil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That may be the "whole fuckin truth" for you, Udai - don't be so sure it is for everyone else. I would rather have sex everyday with the same guy - and if the law allows it, I will marry him today. > > By the way, if you mean that all gay men would ideally want to have sex with a new guy every day - are you implying that straight men don't fantasise having sex with a new girl every day ?? Come on, get a life - ask any straight man you know. > > This is not about being gay or straight, sex-crazed or frigid, promiscuous or faithful - it's about staying alive by being careful though non-judgmental. > > Cheers > Salil > > > udai anand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: what ever u guys write -- but the fact is that GAY guys need SEX everyday with NEW guy -- that is whole fuckin TRUTH they dont believe in LOVE AND RELATIONSHIPS -- they always on HUNT and on the RUN for NEW GUY. we cant change them. > >In western society they have strict rules and law enforcemnent > >by the way is anyone in TORONTO for relationship:):):) > > doc cop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >mental,homicidal and sexual perversions can be of any extent and in any combinations >predicting them or analysing them is difficult >hence leaving this story aside the moral and the need of the hour is TO BE CAREFUL > avoid casual sex with unknown poeple in shady areas >cooper > > > > > > > > - > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers >
g_b Happy Republic Day
Happy Republic day from ALL THE WAY over here in Minnesota U.S.A.! I just read about it on an online encyclopedia (Wikipedea?) Tonight I'll watch my DVD of Gandhi to celebrate! I saw that film on the big screen when it first came out and I didn't understand it much, then. ha ha I think I follow it all now. Celebrate! Be happy and gay! Peter
Re: g_b Anger Management: How To Stay Calm Instead Of Losing Your Cool
I think the only thing that is the antidote to anger is humor. You WILL get mad at this at that, but try try YRY to also be able to laugh at life. Peter
Re: g_b Anger Management: How To Stay Calm Instead Of Losing Your Cool
I've heard that if you don't get angry, then you get depressed (taking that anger inward to yourself). There has to be some balance. It should be okay to say to someone who has hurt you "That makes me angry" without going utterly crazy (a REALLY angry person looks crazy - and scary - and they usually make no sense). People that let their anger out all the way - who INDULGE in their feeling of anger - all the time, end up getting no respect. If you show control then you get respect. Just let the anger out a little bit, and don't let it shut down your communication skills - and don't let it provoke and trigger more anger. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Mr Boon Kiat Chua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good luck > > I remember reading a story about a boy who loses his > temper easily and so his father asked him to hit a > nail into the backyard's fence every time he felt that > he is going to lose his temper. The boy found out that > it takes more effort to hit the nail into the fence > than to control his temper and thus very soon he was > able to control his temper. Then his father asked him > to remove a nail from the fence every time he was able > to control his temper. Pretty soon, the boy removed > all the nails from the fence. That was the time when > his father brought him to the fence and asked him to > look at the marks the nails left on the fence. His > father explained to him that for every time he lost > his temper, he created a permanent mark on the other > person which is irreversible. > > Just as in our relationships with our family, friends > and associates, every time we lost our temper and get > angry at the other person, we will be creating these > 'marks' too. Always remember the nail mark when you > know you are going to lose your temper. > > BK > > --- doc cop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - > > > good reading > > anger is one thing we all want to get over > > but its too tough > > one gets angry at work and at home > > its generally anger on the system that is reflected on > a person > > we often give may to our frustations in form of > anger,specially on close ones > > and family members should have an understanding to > tolerate the outburst without reciprocating > > two poeple cannot be angry at one time > > agner is often a way of expressing luv and hurt too > > anger on self is very common too,these days! > > My new year resolution has been,not to get angry > > have succeeded partially > > i did get angry at times but controled it and did not > express it > > please wish me good luck > > sanjay > > > > - > From: "dunno76" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Subject: g_b Anger Management: How To Stay Calm > Instead Of Losing Your Cool > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:46:16 - > > > A good article on understanding your anger and making > a proactive plan > to choose the kind of behaviors that improve your > relationships with > people. > > Have you ever found yourself angry with people you > care about and > didn't seem able to stop yourself? Do people who love > you tell you > that you have anger management issues? Have you lost > some important > relationships or created problems for yourself at work > because you > couldn't seem to control your angry behavior? > > If this describes you, then you need to regain control > and stop yourself > from hurting others. The first thing to do is to > recognize that you are > choosing your anger. What? Choosing my anger? Why in > the world would I > do that? Well, there are several reasons people may > choose anger. > Let's see which one best describes you. > > Some people use anger to intimidate others and > subsequently get what > they want. In this way, the angry person is able to > control the behavior > of others. > > Some people use their anger as a way of getting > attention. If a person > needs attention, it doesn't always matter whether that > attention is > positive or negative, as long as someone is noticing > him or her. > > Anger can also be used as a tactic to avoid > responsibility. If a person > doesn't want to do something, anger can be a valid way > to get out of > it. > > Similar to wanting attention, sometimes people are > feeling small and > insignificant and anger works to pump themselves up or > provide courage > to do something scary. > > And others use it as an emotional release, much the > same way a pressure > cooker lets off steam. Anger has energy. When someone > is experiencing > things that are frustrating, he or she may not be > dealing with his or > her anger. Instead of processing it, cognitively > restructuring some > belief systems or working out the energy physically, > anger can provide a > much needed release valve. > > Do you recognize yourself in any of those scenarios? > When you lose your > temper
Re: g_b Police refuse to arrange gay wedding in India
Isn't it ironic - because we are gay, they call us irresponsible sluts but then they won't let us marry (the opposite of being an irresponsible slut). If you can't marry the one you love then it's like you aren't seen as a "real" citizen. Being married is more then just sharing a roof. Lots of legal matters are involved that benefit the couple. Peter
Re: g_b About to turn str8
I don't know how some people have the energy to live two lives. I feel like I can barely manage my "one gay life". GOD I feel like I can barely manage all my Yahoo Groups, LOL! Peter
g_b should one assume everyone is hiv+ before sex?
It's just best to assume EVERYBODY has HIV so that everybody then keeps their body fluids to themselves EVERY time. Making a wet mess is always fun, but it is not required to "have sex" and have fun. Please have lots of sex and then please live to tell about it. Always use a condom and check it often. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "gay_bombay moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > *Monday, January 15, 2007 > * *Survey: Gay internet daters' sex risks * > > 1 in 5 of all men seeking men for sex on the Internet have not had an HIV > test since their last episode of unprotected casual sex. > > This is just one of many findings discussed in newly-published data from the > 2006 Gay Auckland Periodic Sex Survey (GAPSS) and Gay men's Online Sex > Survey (GOSS), which surveyed over 3,000 gay and bisexual men in New > Zealand. > > "This is quite startling," says study investigator and NZAF Senior Research > Pete Saxton. "It poses a high risk of undiagnosed HIV infection occurring > among men who seek sex online, and the sexual networks attached to them. > Picture it every fifth profile you see online could have had casual > unprotected sex and not tested since." > > The results of both studies have highlighted some significant differences > between men recruited online and those recruited at gay venues and events > like the Big Gay Out. Less than 10% of all men recruited offline reported > not testing for HIV since their last episode of unprotected casual sex. > > While basic knowledge of HIV was high in the GAPSS sample, around 1 in 7 men > did not know for sure that oral sex is low risk for HIV transmission, and 1 > in 6 men did not know that HIV cannot pass through an undamaged latex > condom. > > "It's vital that gay and bisexual men are confident about what's safe for > HIV and what isn't," Saxton comments. "It means you can relax and enjoy sex, > so long as you do a few basic things." > > What's not basic is the range of sexual relationships gay and bisexual men > are entering into over a relatively short space of time. The GAPSS and GOSS > results have also highlighted a complex pattern of sexual partnering among > respondents, with boyfriends, fuckbuddies, casual sex, serial and > overlapping relationships. > > "This raises the issue of how sexually connected each of us is to other gay > and bisexual men," Saxton says. "Perhaps if we could see that the sexual > health of strangers is actually related to our own health and that of our > friends, we'd be more inclined to challenge unsafe sex when we see it." > > GAPSS is a joint project carried out once every two years by the Research, > Analysis and Information Unit of the New Zealand AIDS Foundation and the > Department of Preventive and Social Medicine at the University of Otago, > while GOSS was conducted for the first time in 2006. > > > > -- > www.gaybombay.in > www.gaybombay.info >
Re: g_b About to turn str8
If you are kind, have humor, and have educated yourself so you can talk about things in ways that are interesting, people learn to enjoy your company. If they think they are better than you, oh well. Everybody goes around thinking they are better than everybody else, anyway, don't they? LOL Sometimes it takes time for people to learn to see you for who you are. Give them time. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Bloot Fontaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure about how to reply to this because words written without any such intention suddenly appear in print to be offensive and others too must have had that experience, so, without meaning to be opinionated, offensive or demeaning to anyone in any way, the problem I have come across quite often is that when I approach a guy and I like him and he likes me, he STILL resists interaction because of a preconcieved notion that being gay makes one less of a man. > This notion would be offensive to women also as being women does not mean they are inferior to men. So also, being gay does not make you an inferior man, but how do you convince one who has such notions and is also stubborn! > This IS a problem I have faced often, and have been defeated by it! > Regards to all. > > > If a person can't deal with his being gay then it is society that needs > treated! The only reason a person thinks he can't be gay is because > society has lied to him about it. > > LOL - okay, now how do I get the whole world to agree with me? > > Peter > > > > > > > - > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers >
g_b inner beauty day
May everybody be beautiful, not because of how prejudice has taught you how to see beauty, but know you are beautiful because you have MADE yourselves that way, from hard work (sometimes "being kind" all the time is VERY hard work - ha ha). Peter
g_b Re: Homophobia, not injustice, is what really fires the faiths
It really all depends on if it's a "right wing" part of the religion (intolerant) or a "liberal" part of the religion (tolerant). The poor Episcopals are splitting up over all that right now. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "mikel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, S S wrote: > > > > it appears those that you think should be most tollerant (religious > people) there the most likely to discrimmate against people... > strange to me > > > > > > Polly Toynbee > > Tuesday January 9, 2007 > > The Guardian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The > > religious are rallying by torchlight outside parliament this > evening. > > In the Lords they are trying to strike out regulations in the new > > equality act that outlaw discrimination and harassment of gays, > making > > it illegal to discriminate in providing any goods and services to > > anyone, from healthcare to hotel rooms. This is a mighty test of > > strength between the religious and the secular. Any peers against > > discrimination, get on down the Lords: the vote is at 7.30pm. Will > the > > Tories prove to be gay-friendly? > > Christians, Muslims and Jews are > > all fighting against the sexual orientation regulations with a > wrecking > > clause that would render them meaningless: "Nothing in these > > regulations shall force an individual to act against their > conscience > > or strongly held religious beliefs." Anyone could use their > > "conscience" to discriminate against gays. > > Get one thing clear: > > this law does not stop religions from banning gays joining their > > congregations or becoming priests. (Though they don't seem to be > very > > good at it.) But it does oblige any organisation or business > offering > > services to the public to offer them equally to all comers. Bizarre > and > > repugnant ads in newspapers from Christian organisers have spread > > outright lies about what this law does. Their campaign, strongly > > supported by the Daily Mail, has whipped up a degree of homophobia > > still lurking under an apparently tolerant surface. The gay rights > > group Stonewall has been horrified at the resurgence of threats and > > obscene abuse. > > To make their case, the religious have struggled > > to think up extreme scenarios where the law might affect them, but > each > > has proved to be wrong, as ministers have refuted them all. > > They > > claim the law will "force all schools to actively promote homosexual > > civil partnerships to children (from primary-school age) to the same > > degree that they teach the importance of marriage". No it won't: the > > curriculum does not "actively promote" homosexuality, nor even make > sex > > education compulsory. They claim the law will "force a printing shop > > run by a Christian to print fliers promoting gay sex". No it won't, > > unless the same printers promote heterosexual porn too. Or how about > > this one? "Force a family-run B&B to let out a double room to a > > transsexual couple, even if the family think it in the best > interests > > of their children to refuse to allow such a situation in their > home." > > Oh no it won't: it doesn't even cover transsexuals - and what a daft > > scenario anyway. The National Secular Society has complained to the > > Advertising Standards Authority. But on and on go the prurient > > situations the religious homophobes dream up. The Christian Concern > for > > Our Nation, petitioning the Queen, claims they "love their > neighbours", > > but "Christians, of course, earnestly desire the repentance and > > salvation of homosexuals". > > None of this might matter much if it > > were just about the strange practices in private of religious > bigots. > > But faith groups already run and are bidding to take over many more > > social services. If they win this debate, free to discriminate as > they > > please, they will prove themselves utterly unfit to provide state > > services or receive state funding. > > Lord Ferrers in the last > > debate said hospitals should be allowed to discriminate if they had > a > > Christian ethos. Does that mean they do now? Are they turning away > gay > > Aids patients? He said a pro-life Catholic hospital should be > allowed > > to turn away a lesbian for fertility treatment. (Though any > > non-Catholic turning to Catholics for fertility treatment needs > their > > head examined.) The Catholic adoption society said it will shut up > shop > > if it has to allow gay couples to apply. > > Churches say they will never > > let out a hall to a gay organisation. Christians running soup > kitchens > > say they want to refuse gays shelter and soup. (Soup!) The Catholic > > Archbishop of Liverpool threatens to withdraw all cooperation over > > schools and charity programmes if the law goes through. The Bishop > of > > Rochester says it will damage church wo
Re: g_b About to turn str8
If a person can't deal with his being gay then it is society that needs treated! The only reason a person thinks he can't be gay is because society has lied to him about it. LOL - okay, now how do I get the whole world to agree with me? Peter
g_b Re: hot and goodlooking guys never go for average looking guys?
What you might think is a "hot guy" at first might look like a monster after a while in a relationship. If you want a real relationship then never go for looks. A jerk will always start to look ugly in no time, no matter what. A wonderful man will always be beautiful, and the beauty will grow. That kind of a beauty may only "be in the eye of the beholder" - but that's all that matters to you and your own eyeballs. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Omari Tulinagwe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh my God!! How rude is that comment!!! Well Tuhin Roy, you have proven that superficial folks like you are truly a waste Don't worry Rahul man, you will find hot guys and a relationship someday. Don't listen to Tuhin Roy > Tuhin Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Dear Rahul.. > > Its good you have shifted to one of the poshest area of Delhi...but do you think that with that average looks and physique u will get hot guys...come down to reality...forget about sex and dont even dare to think about relationship..face the truth.this world isnt for you...hot and goodlooking guys never go for average looking guys...am givin a gaurantee...forget this... > > Regards, > TR >
Re: g_b About to turn str8
A world without homos would be like a day without sunshine. We are fabulous! It would be like saying "all flowers are weeds and we must get rid of them all". It would be like saying, "The only reason we are here is to breed." It would be like saying, "We know what nature is and we can control it." It would be like saying, "We are but sheep and we must make the farmer happy (whoever HE is)." HA! Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, priyom dey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > good posting manoj. this infact puts forward a few questions, > > 1. if these researches are to be encoureged or condemned > > no research should be condemned if not intended to cause harmful effects (like making of atom bomb and weapons). this should continue ..afterall results are awaited, moreover this research overlooks the fact that in case of human being there is additional environmetal effects on the to of hormonal effects. > > 2. even if they succeed isnt it against the order of so called nature ?? > > obviously yes > > > got a similar article which am posting below. > > The Sunday Times December 31, 2006 > > Science told: hands off gay sheep > > Isabel Oakeshott and Chris Gourlay > > Experiments in the US that claim to ''cure'' homosexual rams spark anger > > SCIENTISTS are conducting experiments to change the sexuality of gay > sheep in a programme that critics fear could pave the way for breeding out > homosexuality in humans. The technique being developed by American > researchers adjusts the hormonal balance in the brains of homosexual rams > so that they are more inclined to mate with ewes. It > raises the prospect that pregnant women could one day be offered a > treatment to reduce or eliminate the chance that their offspring will be > homosexual. Experts say that, in theory, the ''straightening'' procedure on > humans could be as simple as a hormone supplement for mothers-to- be, worn > on the skin like an anti-smoking nicotine patch. The research, at Oregon > State University in the city of Corvallis and at the Oregon Health and > Science University in Portland, has caused an outcry. Martina Navratilova, > the lesbian tennis > player who won Wimbledon nine times, and scientists and gay rights > campaigners in Britain have called for the project to be abandoned. > Navratilova defended the right of sheep to be gay. She said: How can it > be that in the year 2006 a major university would host such homophobic and > cruel experiments? She said gay men and lesbians would be deeply > offended by the social implications of the tests. But the researchers > argue that the work is valid, shedding light on the broad question of > what determines sexual orientation. They insist the work is not aimed at > curing homosexuality. Approximately one ram in 10 prefers to mount other > rams rather than mate with ewes, reducing its value to a farmer. > Initially, the publicly funded project aimed to improve the productivity > of herds. The scientists have been able to pinpoint the mechanisms > influencing the desires of ''male-oriented'' rams by studying their brains. > The animals' skulls are cut open and electronic sensors > are attached to their brains. By varying the hormone levels, mainly by > injecting hormones into the brain, they have had considerable success in > altering the rams' sexuality, with some previously gay animals becoming > attracted to ewes. Professor Charles Roselli, the Health and Science > University biologist leading the research, defended the project. He said: > In general, sexuality has been under-studied because of political > concerns. People don't want science looking into what determines > sexuality. It's a touchy issue. In fact, several studies have shown that > people who believe homosexuality is biologically based are less homophobic > than people who think that this orientation is acquired. The research is > being peer-reviewed by a panel of scientists in America, demonstrating > that it is being taken seriously by the academic community. Potentially, > the techniques could one day be adapted for human use, with doctors > perhaps being able to offer parents pre-natal > tests to determine the likely sexuality of offspring or a hormonal > treatment to change the orientation of a child. Roselli has said he would > be uncomfortable about parents choosing sexuality, but argues that it is > up to policy makers to legislate on questions of ethics. > > > > Manoj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Finally ! > > For all those who are sick and frustrated being what they are, for all those who want to feel attracted towards girls and end up hitting on their boyfriends instead , for all those who have realised the hollowness of this community and keep getting sick of it each time they dump or get ditched there is hope, the ray at the end of the tunnel can be seen. > > Scientist
g_b Re: [lgbt-india] Los Angeles Times; Prince is Out but Not Down
That article broke my heart that India still has such a long way to go - hell - THE WORLD has such a long way to go. The whole world HAS to accept that being gay as just a common natural variation of nature. GOD BLESS the Prince and all the gays in India - hell, all of us everywhere! When will people stop being so STUPID and realize that WE ARE FABULOUS! (oops, sorry, I'm shouting!) Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "Nitin Karani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/2/07, Scott Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg- prince2jan02,0,1414556.story?coll=la-home-headlines > > COLUMN ONE > > > > Prince is out but not down > > In India, where being gay is a crime, a royal son was shunned when he told > > his secret. Now he fights to change the law and public mind-set. > > By Henry Chu > > Times Staff Writer > > > > January 2, 2007 > > > > Vadodara, India AS a maharajah's son, Manvendra Singh Gohil grew up in a > > bubble of prestige and privilege, surrounded by hangers-on who treated him > > so reverentially that he was 15 before he crossed a street by himself. > > > > So the public snubs and rejection of the last nine months have been a new > > experience. Yet the mild-mannered Gohil couldn't be more content. > > > > At last, he says, he is living an honest life albeit one that has > > touched off a scandal in the royal house of Rajpipla, one of India's former > > princely states. Last March, he revealed a lifelong secret to a local > > newspaper, which promptly splashed it on the front page. > > > > "The headline was: 'The Prince of Rajpipla Declares That He's a > > Homosexual,' " Gohil said with a rueful chuckle. "The newspaper sold like > > hotcakes." > > > > In the uproar that followed, disgusted residents in Gohil's hometown flung > > his photograph onto a bonfire. > > > > His parents publicly disowned their only son, printing notices in the > > press that he was cut off as heir because of his involvement in "activities > > unacceptable to society." Gohil's mother has threatened contempt proceedings > > against anyone who refers to him as her son. > > > > For scandal-mongers, the tale of India's gay prince is an irresistibly > > juicy affair full of details worthy of a tabloid tell-all: his teenage > > affair with a servant boy, a sexless marriage to a minor princess, a nervous > > breakdown. > > > > For Gohil, his very public unmasking has brought him a bully pulpit from > > which to speak out against a law that makes him not just a pariah of noble > > birth but also a common criminal. > > > > Here in the world's largest democracy, home to 1.1 billion people, sex > > between two people of the same gender remains a punishable offense. Decades > > after India threw off the yoke of British rule, the country still clings to > > a Victorian-era statute established by its colonial masters nearly 150 years > > ago, which demands up to life in prison for anyone committing "carnal > > intercourse against the order of nature." > > > > In practice, few prosecutions are brought to court. But reports abound of > > police using the law to harass and blackmail gay men and lesbians. > > > > Human rights advocates, lawyers groups and the government's AIDS > > coordinator are lobbying for repeal or revision of the law. In September, > > dozens of Indian luminaries, including Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya > > Sen and author Vikram Seth, added their voices to the campaign. Activists > > are guardedly hopeful about the chances of a legal challenge now pending > > before the Delhi High Court. A hearing is scheduled for this month. > > > > But even should they succeed, changing attitudes will prove a far harder > > task. > > > > Despite India's high-tech wizardry and its rising affluence, this remains > > a highly conservative and conformist society where most young people undergo > > arranged marriages, the pressure to produce children is enormous and no gay > > role models or TV shows like "Will & Grace" exist to offer a hint of an > > alternative. > > > > Those who feel different learn to keep it to themselves and to feel > > guilt-stricken about it. > > > > "It's not uncommon among the young people we work with to ask, 'Is there a > > medicine that can make me stop feeling this way?' " said Anjali Gopalan of > > the Naz Foundation, an AIDS organization that has taken a leading role in > > the fight to decriminalize homosexuality. "The law compounds all of this. It > > creates an environment for people to feel like this." > > > > The criminalization of homosexuality makes it difficult to set up social > > venues where gays can meet. Even in the nation's capital, New Delhi, a > > thriving metropolis of 15 million people, there are only two bars that host > > furtive, word-of-mouth gay nights just once a week, usually under the > > protective guise of a "private party" for some fictitious per
Re: g_b Dream Career in 4 Steps
Let me just stress "persistence". I am finally about to have a gay novel published that I first wrote (the first draft anyway) in 1984. Then at the beginning of the year a publisher finally said "yes" to it. Persistence! Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Karan Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I believe in that, because I never wanted to be an engineer, I wanted to write stories and be a producer and a media person, but I know writing stories wont yield me anything, so I am an engineer, but when I earn enough I will do what I always loved and I will write a book. > > dunno76 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When you were a kid, you dreamed of having that one perfect career. A firefighter, veterinarian, astronaut or maybe even a circus clown. But then, something happened. You grew up. Suddenly you had responsibilities to meet and bills to pay. You graduated school and were expected to take a good, decent job. So you settled on what you could get, and your dream job remained just a dream. > > It's not too late to land your dream career. The time you spend thinking about it, could be time spent making it happen. If you're still waiting to land your dream career, you need to know where to find it, and how to make it happen. > > Truly successful people don't just love what they do; they do what they love. Success for them is not determined by a paycheque, but in the pride and confidence they have in their work. Others around them are envious, and rather than emulating their formula for success, they believe that the successful people must know a guarded secret, or were just lucky. The jealous ones don't realize that the successful people worked hard for their good fortune, struggling to land a dream career. > > Some people only see the results of true success, and they're starving for the same. What they don't realize is how easy it can be to attain a dream career. > > Dream careers are not just for the fortunate few. A dream career is truly attainable by anyone who wants it and is willing to strive hard to get it. There is no magic or mystery in the process, just a few basic, proven steps: > > 1. Believe in yourself. Self-confidence is a crucial and often overlooked element to true success. If you believe that your dream career is in reach, you will attain it. You also need to believe that you deserve that dream job. If you don't believe in your own success, you can't expect anyone else to. People who make their career dreams come true are those who believe in their goals. It's easy to become a true believer. Sit down with a piece of paper, and write your ideal life and career in detail. Create a picture that you can read or look at every day. Use this positive reinforcement to inspire you. Belief can be found within, but sometimes you have to dig a little to find it. > > 2. Get the facts. Once you are confident in your own potential for success, you need to back up your beliefs with facts. Find out specifically what steps will be needed to bring your picture to life. In knowing this, you'll be more comfortable when it's time to take action. Will you require specialized training? If your dream career will mean a drop in pay, is that important to you or do you value happiness over monetary gain. Ask yourself every possible question, and give yourself honest answers. When you have all of the facts, you will be ready to take action. > > 3. Commit to your success. Some people are genuinely frightened of success. To be a true success not only requires commitment and honesty, but it also holds the potential to fail. Successful people are not afraid to say, "I will". You need to be able to give yourself completely to your success, and then you need to develop focus and direction that transforms your outlook and gives you purpose. Human beings are not innately inclined to make commitments. We sometimes feel that keeping ourselves "tied down" will somehow keep us from being open to other opportunities. Don't obsess about the chances of something better coming along. Commitment gives you something entirely more powerful: a reason to get out of bed every morning and look for ways to find your dream career. > > 4. Make a plan. Once you are fully committed to finding your dream career, map out the path you'll need to take. Gather facts and put them into play. Break down your total plan into smaller, obtainable goals. Mark these goals on your calendar, create a 'to-do' list and start making it happen. It's important to manage your priorities and only focus on the items that will actually bring you closer to your success. Now is not the time to waste time. Delegate and eliminate whatever tasks you can. > > Despite what you've heard about those fortunate few, a dream career doesn't just fall from the sky. Success comes to those who believe in themselves and work hard to make their dreams reality. Don't
g_b Re: Daily Sutra.
I just LOVE this group - it's so smart. I shared this Sutra with my writing group. It is so wise. Those of us who grew up on too much Disney may have wasted too much of our time waiting around for other people to make magic happen for us. Nope. You gotta do it all for yourself and THEN everybody else gets involved with the magic you created (at least you can hope). As an artist it's hard waiting for other pople to see the value in your work and accept it. You usually wait and wait and then get rejections. This Sutra will help me not take it so personally. And about Google groups, I never heard of them before so I just popped over there and it seems laid out in a rather confusing manner. Is anybody also over there with Google? Do you like it? How does it compare to the Yahoo groups set up? Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Roshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nobody is here to fulfill your dream. Everybody is here to fulfill his own destiny, his own reality. > -OSHO > > > > > > __ __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com >
g_b Re: An American in England
That joke was so funny - I sent it on to a librarian friend of mine in Little Rock Arkansas! I KNOW she'll love it! --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, naughty confessions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An American in England > An American visiting in England asked at the hotel for the elevator. > > The portiere looked a bit confused but smiled when he realized what the > man wanted. > > "You must mean the lift," he said. > > "No," the American responded. "If I ask for the elevator I mean the > elevator." > > "Well," the portiere answered, "over here we call them lifts". > > "Now you listen", the American said rather irritated, "someone in > America invented the elevator." > > "Oh, right you are sir," the portiere said in a polite tone, "but > someone here in England invented the language." > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
g_b Re: Are The Foods You Eat Putting Your Health at Risk?
Animals that eat meat have much shorter intestines and stronger stomach acid. People aren't those animals. If people eat meat it putrefies in the system since it's in there too long. That's hard on the liver. Whole grains tastes better, too. But they go rancid faster so make sure it's all fresh. And watch your oils. Good oil is good for you! Shun "trans" fat. That's hard to do since it's in most everything made by factories. The U.S. is even starting to ban it (New York restaurants did). Sometimes preservatives outweigh the risk of dying a painful quick death from food poisoning. Vitamin E is commonly used as a preservative and that is very good for you. Food "science" is SO complicated. Peter (the vegetarian) --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, adila shekh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Food (and water) is the absolute first thing you need in order to ensure life. Without it you would wither away and die. > You need food for its nutrition and for its sustenance. But are the foods you consume today supplying you with good solid nutrition, or are many of them slowly robbing you of your health and taking years from your life? > Here are some things to consider: > THE HAZARDS OF EATING MEAT > Eating meat (particularly pork and red meat such as beef) in of itself is unhealthy especially when eaten in too large of quantities. Certain meats, such as beef, can take up to 72 hours to digest completely. Therefore, if you eat meat two or three times a day, you could still be digesting the food you had for breakfast the other day while you are again consuming another round of it. > This explains why many autopsies reveal from 5 to as much as 40 pounds of undigested meat still in the systems of many people! Now, imagine how unhealthy it becomes if the animal where the meat came from was treated with antibiotics and other artificial health sustainers? These chemicals stay in the meat fibers; and no amount of washing, cooking, or boiling will get rid of them. Do you really want that in your food? > Hence, many people today are immune to antibiotics for humans. They ingest the antibiotics from animals, and the extra strong antibiotics kill both the good and bad bacteria in the human body. The more you eat chemically treated meat, the more you weaken your body's defense mechanisms. This hazard is aggravated further when the meats are processed with artificial flavors and preservatives. > PRECAUTIONS WHEN CONSUMING FISH > Many "fresh" fish in the market today are loaded with preservatives to lock in their "freshness." Some use formalin, a chemical used in embalming human corpses, to preserve newly caught fish. A few wicked sellers may wash marketed fish with food coloring or textile color to give these fish a "fresh" look. To ensure your safety and enjoy the nutritious benefits of fish, buy them from trusted sources only. > PRECAUTIONS WHEN CONSUMING BREAD > Many white breads are hard to digest. Their hard residues stay long and may form blockades in the intestines. Moreover, eating white bread actually rapidly elevates blood sugar levels in your body. Whole wheat bread is a healthier food alternative to white bread as it supplies better nutrition, but many of the whole wheat breads today still have preservatives because they are commercially produced. Make sure it is made with "whole wheat flour" and not "enriched whole wheat flour". Always check the ingredients just to be sure. > CHEMICALS IN FOOD > Aside from having their nutrition values greatly reduced, a lot of food today is treated with harmful chemicals. Washing, cooking, and boiling for long hours may lessen the chemicals in your food, but these harmful substances may not be fully eliminated. Peeling the skin off some fruits will not ensure safety either. > Imagine swallowing and accumulating all those fertilizers and pesticides in your body. Do you still wonder why we have so many deadly diseases today that were unheard of in the days of our ancestors? > Insects know better. They will not touch crops with pesticides. That is why you will find these crops sold in the market without any sign of insect bites. People buy them because they look clean and delicious. They don't know that these outward appearances conceal inner hazards of the food they are buying. Some people think it is a good option to eat fruits and vegetables that show a few nibbles from insects. > PROCESSED FOOD > After having your veggies and fruits treated with fertilizers and pesticides (and these are given to farm animals as part of feeds), they also undergo artificial processing to prolong their "freshness." They are treated with preservatives, which mean more chemicals. Some instant noodles are treated with chemical wax, which may be cancer causing. Do you know that these noodles are banned in some countries? > Because processed food terribly lacks real nutrition, their sellers sometimes put synt
g_b Re: Main aisaa kyun hoon, main vaisaa kyun hai
I think being gay is just a variation of nature since nature isn't as simple as some thought. It certainly isn't moralistic as some people want it to be. In many cases in science we're just learning all about nature for the very first time. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Manoj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Been following the mails on the darwinian reasoning of emergence of species called homo sexual. > > I think one of the major reasons we sometimes end up feeling guilty and the society too gets "ideas" of us is that "where was all this in the times of yore", " isnt it considered a sin by religion/society", "dont you think you are not doing your duty as laid down by shahstras" > In ancient greece/rome we see cases where gay men still married and procreated. > > Whereas other religions have had more tolerance, islam definately did not allow it or see it in favourable light since inception. > So am i a product of 'evolution' or 'perversion' or 'westernisation' or if so many people marry later, then is this just a passing fad? > > Looking at the reasons on why procreation was regarded such a necessary part of human life ( and hence the aversion to anything which did not result in procreation) was simply as the natural life expectancy of man ( gender specified) was short not only on account of health/disease but the frequent wars ( which have been motivated quite a few poets). > This, i believe, was also the reason for acceptance of polygamy allowed in several religions then - not for more enjoyable experience of men but to protect women and shelter them against being left alone/unprotected in a world ruled by men. > > So if today when the need of procreation is not there, marriage as such ceases to be the required societal requirement and my 'dharma'. In an age where questioning the set norms is something which is encouraged, as against our forefathers when adherence was a virtue, its normal that more people choose to follow what they want and not what has been written in some books or decided by some "revered man of god". > Add to it the fact that we are more empowered today on information and hence feel that things are changing due to this availability of information and the strength it gives each like the character of raktbija -each drop causing a new form to emerge and grow further. > (If you have heard someone remark "how healthy was india of yore" when the actual hard data says the otherwise u will relate to where i am coming from). > > Consequently more people come out and are seen and we feel that this is a growth or mutation or a new age phenomenon( or as many wud say the perversion of the westernised infecting us). > The same numbers were always there, the feelings were always there, the men (and women) were always there -- it was just underground due to the dictates of those times which is now just emerging and adopting to the times as at present. > Oil was not created now -- it just happened to be discovered in this century. Simple. > > Luv > Manoj > (phew!) > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
g_b Re: Tiny Things
That was the coolest collection of tiny little guys! I smiled, I laughed, and I smiled lots more! THANKS! Funny how things so tiny can bring such a giant feeling of good cheer! (and the music was cool!) Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "☆Nice Friend☆" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Tiny Things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geovisit(); > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
g_b Re: Are Resentments Justified?
Thank God for Christmas cards. It's a great way to be "nice" to my super-Christian mother without having to talk about anything.
g_b Re: Rabbit and bear Jokes
TOO FUNNY! I had to pass those jokes along! I bet you all think the U.S. is so stupid. I do. I can't believe my President rules with wishful thinking. That just doesn't work in the real world. How can you win a war that you are only losing? The last time I checked, you win a war by winning it, not just by hanging around while you're losing it. But don't get me started. Ha ha - "politics" (roll my eyes) God bless you all in India where you didn't shoot off your bomb and you didn't invade Iraq! For myself, I can at least brag that I don't live in Washington D.C. - what an embarrassing spot on the planet! But don't get me started Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "Aditya Bondyopadhyay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The bear and the rabbit were taking a shit together in the forest one day > and the bear said to the rabbit 'Don't you hate it when the shit sticks to > your fur?' > And the rabbit said, a little superiorly 'I don't have that problem > actually.' > So the bear wiped his bum with the rabbit. > > ++ > > > The great W of A's def sec Donny Rumsfeld resigns. He is morose and calls > for applications to the post. > > Bear and Rabbit Applies. > > W asks both: So whatdya think we should do in Iraq? > > Rabbit: They are shootin at us man..! Run as fast as we can, dodge them > bullets, and get out..!! > > Bear: You cannot be an asshole and not let shit pass? > > Bear gets the job. Rabbit is made chairman of the bipartisan Iraq Committee. > > > > - Aditya >
Re: Re : g_b french queer coming to india
In the U.S.: Fag sounds rude Faggot sounds so rude it almost sounds political Queer sounds liberated and political Gay means you can be whatever you want - wear a dress or be butch. Whatever. (wear a dress AND be butch!) Homo sounds rude Just thought I'd throw that in - Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, hg fd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hi cooper, > > well, let say that in Eurrope, queer is the political terminology for gay, that means a rejection of the heteronrmative values and a consideration of your sexuality as political... > > to use a word that is usually an insult is to me an interresting way of reappropriation of your identity.. > anyway, my article should be about lgbt community in india and mouvement of rights > quite interestinfg in the community life also > would you help me??? > > antoine > > - Message d'origine > De : doc cop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > À : gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com > Envoyé le : Samedi, 9 Décembre 2006, 7h01mn 57s > Objet : RE: g_b french queer coming to india > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > queer and fag are terminologies generaly for effeminate gays > > such groups includes various poeple with a range of looks,attitude and sexuality > > these words somehow dont sound very plesant > > and definately not from one of the members of the group > > anyways > > what and how r u planning yr article? > > cooper > > > > > > From: thinking one > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com > Subject: RE: g_b french queer coming to india > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:52:44 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > actually yes, queer is not considered offensive. homo, that's offensive. > > doc cop <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote: > > > > > > may not be able to meet u! > > but if u seriously want to write an article ,wud luv to share inputs on sexuality in general > > BTW is queer a respactable terminology to be used in the gay circles? ? ? > > cooper > > > > > > From: hg fd > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com > Subject: g_b french queer coming to india > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:19:41 + (GMT) > > > > > > > hi everyone, > > well, i am coming to india for few months and i would be please to meet to indian queers... > > from juanary, i am also coming to write a long article about indian lgbtiq community and to discover queer night life... > > if anyone wants to guides me?? > > thanks > > antoine > > > > > Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez la version beta. > > > > > ><< ToineB_W3.jpg >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Get up-to-date with movies, music and TV. Its happening on MSN Entertainment > > > > > > > > > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. > > > > Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. > > > > > > > > > > Connect with your friends who use Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Click! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ _ > Marre d'une boite pleine de spams ? Adoptez le tout nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son son filtre anti-spams perfectionnés. > http://fr.mail.yahoo.com >
g_b Re: Are Resentments Justified?
Christmas and other family holidays seem to bring out feelings about family that are best left un-thought about TOO much (if you don't like your family and they don't like you). Luckily that isn't every day - all year long. Luckily we can choose our friends!
g_b My Joan Crawford Cartoon
I do a Joan Crawford cartoon for an American (west coast) gay magazine called Outlands. To see my cartoon for this month (not as gay as I sometimes get but the theme was "alternative families" and this fits Joan): http://www.outlandsmagazine.com/artman2/comics/OUTthere_- _December_2006.shtml
Re: g_b QUERY
Thongs were once called g-strings. When I was a kid, thongs were a cheap form of plastic sandal.
g_b Re: Are Resentments Justified?
When I make the mistake of having memory, and I think back on things, I get mad at my family. Do I have the right? I don't know. I just know what I feel. I can't lie about my own feelings (okay, I lie to my family - I don't tell them I hate them) but I can't lie to myself. I have resentment and I own it and I just want to make sure that I do a lot of positive happy things in my life so that those good things that I did for me are now my memories, too. Peter --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "lgbtindiagroup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > by Dr Wayne W. Dyer > > You hear people say this all the time: "I have a right to be upset > because of the way I've been treated. I have a right to be angry, > hurt, depressed, sad, and resentful." Learning to avoid this kind of > thinking is one of my top ten secrets for living a life of inner > peace, success, and happiness. Anytime you're filled with > resentment, you're turning the controls of your emotional life over > to others to manipulate. > > I became aware of how powerful this lesson was many years ago while > sitting in on a meeting of 12 people who were in a recovery group > for alcoholism and drug addiction. All 12 of those people were > accustomed to blaming others for their weaknesses, using almost any > excuse as a rationale for returning to their self-defeating ways. On > a poster hanging in the room were these words: "In this group, there > are no justified resentments." > > Regardless of what anyone would say to another group member, no > matter how confrontational or ugly the accusations, each person was > reminded that there are no justified resentments. You may need to > consider whom you resent before you can make your own choice about > whether this is useful for you. Resentments give you an excuse to > return to your old ways. This is what got you there in the first > place! > > Why Resentments Are There > You may be familiar with a popular television show called Who Wants > to Be a Millionaire? If the contestant answers 15 multiple-choice > questions, he or she wins a million dollars. Starting with a $100 > question, the person in the "hot seat" answers five questions until > reaching the $1,000 level. At this point, the person is guaranteed > to leave with something. Then the questions increase in difficulty. > If the contestant reaches $32,000, again, there is a guarantee of > leaving with that amount. So, there are two crucial levels to > attain: the $1,000 level, which is achieved by answering five > relatively simple questions; and the $32,000 level, which involves > five increasingly difficult questions. > > I've just related details about this TV program to present the idea > of the two levels that you must achieve in order to have a chance at > the highest "million-dollar" level of awareness. The 51,000 level is > one in which you learn to leave blame behind in your life. If you > don't do so, you go home with nothing > > Removing blame means never assigning responsibility to anyone for > what you're experiencing. Why do this: If you take responsibility > for having it, then at least you have a chance to also take > responsibility for removing it or learning from it. If you're in > some small (perhaps unknown) way responsible for that migraine > headache or that depressed feeling, then you can go to work to > remove it or discover what its message is for you. > > If, on the other hand, someone or something else is responsible in > your mind, then of course you'll have to wait until they change for > you to get better. And that is unlikely to occur. So, at the $1,000 > level, blame has to go. Otherwise you go home with nothing and are > unable to participate at the higher levels. > > You must be willing to pass a new test at the second critical level, > the $32,000 question, which is the final obstacle you must face in > order to move into the more exalted realm of self-actualization and > higher consciousness, the million-dollar spiritual level. At this > level, you must be willing to send the higher, faster energies of > love, peace, joy, forgiveness, and kindness as your response to > whatever comes your way. This is the start of the uncrowded extra > mile where you have only love to give away. > > Someone says something to you that you find offensive, and rather > than opting for resentment, you are able to depersonalize what > you've just heard and respond with kindness. You would rather be > kind than right. You have no need to make others wrong or to > retaliate when you've been wronged. You do this for yourself. > > There is a Chinese proverb, "If you're going to pursue revenge, > you'd better dig two graves." Your resentments will destroy you. > They are low energies. And along the extra mile, you'll only meet > others who have fully grasped this concept. The ones who haven't > made it to this level are all back with the crowd who went
Re: SUPPLIMENT RE: g_b Tehelka.com: The tyranny of trousers
I love reading the posts in this group! The blog, The Tyranny of Trousers, was GREAT! Although I'm in the U.S., I was so much like Khan and I ran around St. Louis, Chicago and Minneapolis in the 80s doing the androgynous thing. I had fun. I was gay the way I wanted. Having Boy George and other UK stars do it first certainly helped.
