Re: gEDA-user: gEDA meeting in Sioux Falls SD
On Thursday 15 February 2007 21:09:41 Jeff VR wrote: Just in case there's someone interested in participating online. Warning: This requires a FLASH plug in for your browser. --- To join the online meeting --- 1. Go to https://freetrial.webex.com/freetrial/j.php?ED=94549382UID=0 2. Enter your name and email address. 3. Enter the meeting password: geda 4. Click Join. --- To join the teleconference only --- Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 650-429-3300 What, no IRC channel? Why not use #geda? Peter -- Fisher Society committeehttp://tinyurl.com/o39w2 CUSBC novices, match and league secretary http://tinyurl.com/mwrc9 CU Spaceflight http://tinyurl.com/ognu2 v3sw6YChw7$ln3pr6$ck3ma8u7+Lw3+2m0l7Ci6e4+8t4Gb8en6g6Pa2Xs5Mr4p4 hackerkey.com peter-b.co.uk pgpXPehk1NyVK.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
--- Craig Niederberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Is it possible when autorouting traces in PCB to have some automatically set to one set of thicknesses, drill hole sizes, etc. and others automatically set to another set of thicknesses, drill hole sizes, etc? Or must I always select traces by hand to be autorouted to a specific set of thicknesses, drill hole sizes, etc? Yes, you can assign a route style to each net. This is normally done in the netlist file. The format is: netname [stylename] elname-pinnum elname2-pinnum ... where [] means an optional entry. You can manually edit your netlist file to add styles to each net. The autorouter honors each net's style including thickness, via characteristics and keepaway. 2. I noticed in examining the PCB design after autorouting that extra nubbins occasionally appeared on traces. I deleted these by hand, which was somewhat painstaking. I also noticed one unconnected trace--it went almost all the way to the pad, but didn't connect. I fixed that by hand. Has anyone else experienced these occasional oddities? I introduced the bug that caused the fail to connect some time back, but it fixed it in December. The latest snapshot release should never go almost all the way but fail to connect. It should leave a lot fewer nubbins (perhaps none) as well. DJ's optimizer might be able to automatically remove the nubbins. It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
Thanks super, John, DJ Harry! Question: during my last install, I just used yum on Fedora to install gEDA. Would the December changes appear on a yum update? If not, can I just overwrite my current pcb executable with that from the current snapshot, or is there more to do? Many, many thanks, Craig On 2/16/07, Harry Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Craig Niederberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Is it possible when autorouting traces in PCB to have some automatically set to one set of thicknesses, drill hole sizes, etc. and others automatically set to another set of thicknesses, drill hole sizes, etc? Or must I always select traces by hand to be autorouted to a specific set of thicknesses, drill hole sizes, etc? Yes, you can assign a route style to each net. This is normally done in the netlist file. The format is: netname [stylename] elname-pinnum elname2-pinnum ... where [] means an optional entry. You can manually edit your netlist file to add styles to each net. The autorouter honors each net's style including thickness, via characteristics and keepaway. 2. I noticed in examining the PCB design after autorouting that extra nubbins occasionally appeared on traces. I deleted these by hand, which was somewhat painstaking. I also noticed one unconnected trace--it went almost all the way to the pad, but didn't connect. I fixed that by hand. Has anyone else experienced these occasional oddities? I introduced the bug that caused the fail to connect some time back, but it fixed it in December. The latest snapshot release should never go almost all the way but fail to connect. It should leave a lot fewer nubbins (perhaps none) as well. DJ's optimizer might be able to automatically remove the nubbins. It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA meeting in Sioux Falls SD
Sorry. I'll log in next time when I'm presenting in April to some Senior design students at a local university. Jeff On 2/16/07, Peter TB Brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2007 21:09:41 Jeff VR wrote: Just in case there's someone interested in participating online. Warning: This requires a FLASH plug in for your browser. --- To join the online meeting --- 1. Go to https://freetrial.webex.com/freetrial/j.php?ED=94549382UID=0 2. Enter your name and email address. 3. Enter the meeting password: geda 4. Click Join. --- To join the teleconference only --- Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 650-429-3300 What, no IRC channel? Why not use #geda? Peter -- Fisher Society committeehttp://tinyurl.com/o39w2 CUSBC novices, match and league secretary http://tinyurl.com/mwrc9 CU Spaceflight http://tinyurl.com/ognu2 v3sw6YChw7$ln3pr6$ck3ma8u7+Lw3+2m0l7Ci6e4+8t4Gb8en6g6Pa2Xs5Mr4p4 hackerkey.com peter-b.co.uk ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? I created as well as use one based off of Fedora Core 5. I made it available at the local IEEE meeting last night and 10 copies made there way out the door. Jeff VR ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
Thanks super. I had gone to the yum install, as when I originally built and installed gEDA I could only get it to work in my home directory (didn't seem to like the Fedora setup). Is this newer build easier to install system wide on Fedora? Any pointers? Again, thanks, Craig On 2/16/07, DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks super, John, DJ Harry! Question: during my last install, I just used yum on Fedora to install gEDA. Would the December changes appear on a yum update? Probably not; the last snapshot was just a week ago, and the previous one was August. If not, can I just overwrite my current pcb executable with that from the current snapshot, or is there more to do? Probably better to remove the installed rpm first, then build the latest snapshot and install it. That was you won't confuse yum if/when you upgrade. You'll also get the upgraded footprint libraries at the same time. Note that in previous releases, the executable is pcb-bin and pcb is a wrapper script. In the latest snapshot, the executable is pcb and there is no wrapper script. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: any tool for LVS
Thanks. Works for me. Raghu On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 12:20 -0500, Stuart Brorson wrote: I haven't tired it, but there is this: http://opencircuitdesign.com/netgen/ It allegedly works with Magic and XCircuit (not gEDA, but open-source). Stuart On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Raghu Kodali wrote: Hi All, Can you please suggest any tool (Free software) for doing LVS or netlist to netlist comparision? Thanks Raghu ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
Thanks super. I had gone to the yum install, as when I originally built and installed gEDA I could only get it to work in my home directory (didn't seem to like the Fedora setup). Is this newer build easier to install system wide on Fedora? Any pointers? I install both geda and pcb in ~/geda from CVS, and it works just fine. For system-wide, install in /usr/local/bin or /opt/geda ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
Thanks super. I intend to yum remove geda-* and pcb-* and then install the latest version. What's the best way to do that? Get the iso from http://www.geda.seul.org/download.html? That's what I did last time before installing with yum. Is there an easier or better way? Not sure how to use CVS, as I'm not a developer on a multiple developer project, and haven't used that tool previously. Many TIA, Craig On 2/16/07, DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks super. I had gone to the yum install, as when I originally built and installed gEDA I could only get it to work in my home directory (didn't seem to like the Fedora setup). Is this newer build easier to install system wide on Fedora? Any pointers? I install both geda and pcb in ~/geda from CVS, and it works just fine. For system-wide, install in /usr/local/bin or /opt/geda ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
Don't use the CD yet. I haven't updated it, and I won't update it until Ales does the next release. Your best bet is to learn how to install from CVS. It's not hard. Here are instructions for gEDA/gaf: http://geda.seul.org/developer.html and for PCB: http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=73743 Have lots of fun, Stuart On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Craig Niederberger wrote: Thanks super. I intend to yum remove geda-* and pcb-* and then install the latest version. What's the best way to do that? Get the iso from http://www.geda.seul.org/download.html? That's what I did last time before installing with yum. Is there an easier or better way? Not sure how to use CVS, as I'm not a developer on a multiple developer project, and haven't used that tool previously. Many TIA, Craig On 2/16/07, DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks super. I had gone to the yum install, as when I originally built and installed gEDA I could only get it to work in my home directory (didn't seem to like the Fedora setup). Is this newer build easier to install system wide on Fedora? Any pointers? I install both geda and pcb in ~/geda from CVS, and it works just fine. For system-wide, install in /usr/local/bin or /opt/geda ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
For pcb, just: cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/pcb login (hit entery for password) cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/pcb co -P pcb cd pcb ./configure --prefix=/opt/geda --with-gui=lesstif or ./configure --prefix=/opt/geda --with-gui=gtk [other configure options, type ./configure --help to see them all: --enable-doc to build documenatation --enable-maintainer-mode to rebuild docs from sources] make make install ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 01:33:02PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: [other configure options, type ./configure --help to see them all: --enable-doc to build documenatation --enable-maintainer-modeto rebuild docs from sources] Beware that --enable-doc is the default, but will fail without --enable-maintainer-mode (which makes some of the needed images). So choose one of --disable-doc or --enable-maintainer-mode --enable-doc Otherwise the make will fail in the doc which interferes with make install. However it's definitely worth the trouble to run the CVS version, as I have discovered over the last few days! -- Ben Jackson AD7GD [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ben.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
Harry Eaton wrote: DJ's optimizer might be able to automatically remove the nubbins. The optimizer as its included with the stock PCB version 20060822 is pretty good at removing these nubs. I autorouted a board the other day and there was only one nubbin that wouldn't go away with the optimizers. Apart from three hi current traces I routed by hand using polygons, correcting this nubbin that the autorouter failed to remove was the only manual routing I had to do on this particular board (80 thru hole components). Phil ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
Beware that --enable-doc is the default, but will fail without --enable-maintainer-mode (which makes some of the needed images). So choose one of --disable-doc or --enable-maintainer-mode --enable-doc Otherwise the make will fail in the doc which interferes with make install. I'd caution that --enable-doc requires that you have LaTeX and a bunch of other packages installed. --disable-doc is probably the quickest path to compilation unless you already have a maximal Linux install. Stuart ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 08:57:36AM -0600, Jeff VR wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? I created as well as use one based off of Fedora Core 5. I made it available at the local IEEE meeting last night and 10 copies made there way out the door. Sounds good to me. -- Joshua D. Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Friday 16 February 2007 09:57, Jeff VR wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? What is a VMPlayer Image? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 02:30:52PM -0500, al davis wrote: On Friday 16 February 2007 09:57, Jeff VR wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? What is a VMPlayer Image? I assumed that he meant VMWare Player image. Although, as far as I know, the same image can also be used across Player, Server, and Workstation. -- Joshua D. Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
*Many, many* thanks! For geda/gaf, the instructions are pretty clear. The only question I have is what I should set in Fedora for the environment variables PATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and PKG_CONFIG_PATH. For pcb, the cvs instructions on that page are pretty generic cvs instructions. Anything special for pcb? Will a standard make after the download do? Many thanks, Craig On 2/16/07, Stuart Brorson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't use the CD yet. I haven't updated it, and I won't update it until Ales does the next release. Your best bet is to learn how to install from CVS. It's not hard. Here are instructions for gEDA/gaf: http://geda.seul.org/developer.html and for PCB: http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=73743 Have lots of fun, Stuart On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Craig Niederberger wrote: Thanks super. I intend to yum remove geda-* and pcb-* and then install the latest version. What's the best way to do that? Get the iso from http://www.geda.seul.org/download.html? That's what I did last time before installing with yum. Is there an easier or better way? Not sure how to use CVS, as I'm not a developer on a multiple developer project, and haven't used that tool previously. Many TIA, Craig On 2/16/07, DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks super. I had gone to the yum install, as when I originally built and installed gEDA I could only get it to work in my home directory (didn't seem to like the Fedora setup). Is this newer build easier to install system wide on Fedora? Any pointers? I install both geda and pcb in ~/geda from CVS, and it works just fine. For system-wide, install in /usr/local/bin or /opt/geda ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Friday 16 February 2007 14:26, Joshua Boyd wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 02:30:52PM -0500, al davis wrote: On Friday 16 February 2007 09:57, Jeff VR wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? What is a VMPlayer Image? I assumed that he meant VMWare Player image. Although, as far as I know, the same image can also be used across Player, Server, and Workstation. I googled it .. it seems that it relates to some commercial product called VMware, and VMplayer is a cover-crop variant of VMware. What can I do with a VMPlayer Image ... Assuming I have VMPlayer (which I don't) is the image just something to view? a starting point for a system? ... or what? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
For pcb, the cvs instructions on that page are pretty generic cvs instructions. Anything special for pcb? Will a standard make after the download do? I just posted instructions about an hour ago... ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Next step questions
I'm so sorry, you sure did, and they look *great*. I can hardly wait to give them a spin! Again, many thanks for the help, and many thanks for making beautiful PCB design and fabrication a reality for someone with just a linux box sitting in a small apartment without even a garage!! Thanks, Craig On 2/16/07, DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For pcb, the cvs instructions on that page are pretty generic cvs instructions. Anything special for pcb? Will a standard make after the download do? I just posted instructions about an hour ago... ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 03:14:03PM -0500, al davis wrote: I googled it .. it seems that it relates to some commercial product called VMware, and VMplayer is a cover-crop variant of VMware. What can I do with a VMPlayer Image ... Assuming I have VMPlayer (which I don't) is the image just something to view? a starting point for a system? ... or what? VMWare Player (and Server) is gratis, but you are not at liberty with it. The image is a starting point for a virtual system. The image is basically just a disk image that VMWare will use to boot a virtual machine, which will have a virtual display that shows up in a window on your desktop, uses the virtual disk (specifically, the image file) via a virtual SCSI card, and talks to a virtual NIC (which can either be NAT'ed with your machines onboard network connection, or with a compatible desktop ethernet device, can pretend to be an entirely new NIC with it's own MAC). When VMWare first launched, the main usage of it was to run Windows on Linux, or Linux on Windows. Rather than emulate everything, VMWare runs the guest system natively, but traps the execution of priveledged code and emulates just those features, so it isn't anywhere near as slow as Bochs or Qemu. VMWare is thus x86 only.x What VMWare does very right is that it allows you to easily move virtual machines, in the form of images, from one machine to another. As far as I know, it is not possible to do this with Solaris Zones (although they say they are working on it), Parallels, VirtualPC, or Xen. So, if you have developed a web application with a lot of dependencies, instead of the end user having to spend hours trying to get everything installed, they can instead download a few hundred meg VMWare image, and boot the already configured web app server, answer a few questions, then get straight to using it in only a few minutes. Does that answer your question? In this case a VMWare image could be a useful alternative to a LiveCD, with the benefit that you can keep your regular desktop running at the same time as the Image, which you can't exactly do with a livecd. -- Joshua D. Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
*Yes*. My EECS students prefer to run linux inside vmware, as they typically have laptops with single drives. Thanks, Craig On 2/16/07, Jeff VR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? I created as well as use one based off of Fedora Core 5. I made it available at the local IEEE meeting last night and 10 copies made there way out the door. Jeff VR ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
I agree also, I run it on Fedora 5 on VMWare. Runs smooth on decent hardware. You can always back things up simply by copying a file. If an upgrade goes awry you just copy over the old file. I advocated awhile back making a VMWare image available to make gEDA more accessable. Probably the thing that's holding this up is who wants to host a 500MB+ download? From: Craig Niederberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org To: gEDA user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:14:04 -0600 *Yes*. My EECS students prefer to run linux inside vmware, as they typically have laptops with single drives. Thanks, Craig On 2/16/07, Jeff VR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? I created as well as use one based off of Fedora Core 5. I made it available at the local IEEE meeting last night and 10 copies made there way out the door. Jeff VR ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user _ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: [Proposal] - a new project manager ???
Hi, First, I want to thank you for the great job about gEDA. I use it at home for my leisure and it's a great tool. Except for me, the project manager. I think this program should be improved. I've read that there no manpower about this, so I decided to work about it. Here's a first version of my project manager for gEDA. My C++ is not very strong, so I've written it in java. You could donwload it at http://castor-et-herlie.homelinux.org/gedaGui/gedaGui.tar.bz2 (2.8M). To launch it, you must have java installed on our system (version 1.4.2) , decompress it and in the directory named gedaGui, launch run_gedaGui.sh. The basic of the software is to manage one or multiple project (*.prj but it's not the same file as geda). In a project, you can import files in and the files are sorted by category (text, schematic, pcb layout, ...). For each file there are some commands available(with a right click) like display file info, view content, remove from project and also personal commands. Personal commands are different by category. They are generic and some special string can be used : %f for filename %F for filename without extension %p for project name ex for a schematic, you can launch gschem or run DRC check on it. Commands are defined in a xml file ex. file fileTypeschematic/fileType description/ action labelopen with text editor/label commandkate %f/command /action action labelopen in gschem/label commandgschem %f/command /action action labelcheck DRC errors/label commandgnetlist -g drc2 %f -o %F.drc/command addFileToProject typeFichierdrc report/typeFichier filename%F.drc/filename /addFileToProject /action /file So if you click on open in gschem the program will execute gschem %f, for open with text editor kate %f For drc checking, the program is gnetlist -g drc2 %f -o %F.drc. You may want to add to the application the new generated file (%F.drc) in the project, it's possible to configure for a command some generated file the application have to import automatically after the action (in our example, the file %F.drc will be import as DRC report). My goal was to have a software which is highly configurable so command may be change in the config menu. Here a first version, it works for me and I begin to configure my own command. Feel free to try it, to configure it in order to answer to your needs. Fell also free to contact me if you have any question about it, discover bugs, new features, Of course, source code are available if you want. -- Ludovic SMADJA Le hasard, c'est Dieu qui se promène incognito - Albert Einstein HALTE AUX SPAMS : Cet email est signé. Pourquoi signer un email ?? http://www.cacert.org/help.php?id=2lang=fr_FR#whyEmails Mes coordonnées : Jabber ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clé PGP : DD76063A sur pgp.mit.edu begin:vcard fn:Ludovic SMADJA n:SMADJA;Ludovic adr:Elancourt;;France email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note;quoted-printable:JID (jabber ID) : [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://Castor-et-herlie.homelinux.org version:2.1 end:vcard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
On Friday 16 February 2007 15:18, Joshua Boyd wrote: Does that answer your question? In this case a VMWare image could be a useful alternative to a LiveCD, with the benefit that you can keep your regular desktop running at the same time as the Image, which you can't exactly do with a livecd. I think I am beginning to understand .. A Live CD requires no other software. No operating system other than the one on the CD. Hence anyone can run it, but with a reboot. I have not tried it, but can't you run a Live CD under VMware, Xen, Qemu, etc ... all of them, with the same Live CD? As to the value of making the VM image .. I guess if it is a step toward moving away from PSpice, etc ... It's good. It saddens me to realize we need to resort to a non-free product to accomplish that. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: vhdl and gschem
Hello there, I successfully created a vhdl file from http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/cours_vhdl/halfadder.sch http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/cours_vhdl/output.net. However, since my schematic includes some and2 and or2, the output.net includes the respective components, but if I compile the vhdl file directly, it will fails since it lacks the and2 and or2 entities. Unfortunately for such a simple schematic. Is there a method to tell gnetlist to include appropriate package name for the and2 and or2 components so that one shouldn't right his own and2 and or2 vhdl file but uses the standard vhdl code? Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: vhdl and gschem
I applaude your efforts to understand the VHDL back-end. It's too bad it doesn't seem to work easily; I do think that it should just work. That being said, I must say that using a schematic capture package to do Verilog or VHDL seems to defeat the purpose. That is, these text-based logic languages have pushed schematic-based logic design aside because they are much easier to deal with once a design has grown beyond a certain (not very large) size. Maybe somebody will contradict me -- which is fine -- but in my experience nobody actually draws logic symbols anymore, except for a few random gates now and then. Rather, real logic designs are captured as Verilog or VHDL in text format, and compiled directly to programming files which are loaded into FPGAs, CPLDs, and the like. At the schematic level one just draws lots of boxes with lots of pins corresponding to the FPGA or CPLD. Therefore, using gschem to draw a logic circuit and then netlist to VHDL isn't a commonly used design flow nowadays. Instead, people just create a textual design using a text editor. Maybe that's why the VHDL netlister hasn't received much attention recently. Stuart On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: Hello there, I successfully created a vhdl file from http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/cours_vhdl/halfadder.sch http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/cours_vhdl/output.net. However, since my schematic includes some and2 and or2, the output.net includes the respective components, but if I compile the vhdl file directly, it will fails since it lacks the and2 and or2 entities. Unfortunately for such a simple schematic. Is there a method to tell gnetlist to include appropriate package name for the and2 and or2 components so that one shouldn't right his own and2 and or2 vhdl file but uses the standard vhdl code? Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: vhdl and gschem
From: Chitlesh GOORAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: gEDA-user: vhdl and gschem Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:36:22 +0100 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello there, I successfully created a vhdl file from http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/cours_vhdl/halfadder.sch http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/cours_vhdl/output.net. However, since my schematic includes some and2 and or2, the output.net includes the respective components, but if I compile the vhdl file directly, it will fails since it lacks the and2 and or2 entities. Unfortunately for such a simple schematic. Is there a method to tell gnetlist to include appropriate package name for the and2 and or2 components so that one shouldn't right his own and2 and or2 vhdl file but uses the standard vhdl code? No, and it shouldn't really. You should rather include those desciptions from other schematics, given models from libraries or type them yourself. gschem/gnetlist allows you to interconnect things. You could even use it in a hierarchial fashion if you wish. Just include the VHDL files into your compilation and you will be fine. Cheers, Magnus ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Why does auto-mirror mirror the bottom?
Why does auto-mirror mean to mirror the bottom? I just got very close to doing an iron transfer pcb with the sides reversed: if (automirror ((idx = 0 group == GetLayerGroupNumberByNumber (max_layer)) || (idx 0 SL_SIDE (idx) == SL_BOTTOM_SIDE))) mirror_this = 1 - mirror_this; For both toner transfer and for photosensitive PCBs you want the toner touching the PCB, which means the bottom image (solder side) is normal and the top (component side) is mirrored. Was the expectation to use both mirror AND automirror?? -- Ben Jackson AD7GD [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ben.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:57:36 -0600, Jeff VR wrote: Is there any interest out there in a VMPlayer Image? I created as well as use one based off of Fedora Core 5. There sure is! Since the beginning of February I started a position as electronics guy in a laser physics department of the local university. Right now, they do low level analog electronics with eagle (e.g. six opamps on 100x160mm, thru hole style, single layer). They are not quite satisfied with eagle, so there might be a chance to convert for new projects to geda. However, it must be possible to run the application on a Windows box. Dual boot won't do in such an environment. A vmware solution might be all that is needed to swing the opinion :-) ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak http://lilalaser.de/blog ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Why does auto-mirror mirror the bottom?
Why does auto-mirror mean to mirror the bottom? I just got very close to doing an iron transfer pcb with the sides reversed: auto-mirror is as-seen. The assumption is that you're using the prints for visual inspection. Was the expectation to use both mirror AND automirror?? Yes. If you need a reversed image (such as for toner transfer), you need to mirror and automirror. That gives you a mirrored front and a non-mirrored back. You can combine that with the invert flag to get negatives, too, for photoexposing. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:48:22 -0600, Mike Hansen wrote: Probably the thing that's holding this up is who wants to host a 500MB+ download? Hmm. I am tempted to volunteer. My webspace is mostly unused. Monthly traffic is 10GB only, but might be increased to 50 GB without prohibitive cost. What is the number of downloads to be expected? ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak http://lilalaser.de/blog ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [Proposal] - a new project manager ???
Ludovic SMADJA wrote: project manager. I decided to work about it. My goal was to have a software which is highly configurable so command may be change in the config menu. Here a first version, it works for me and I begin to configure my own command. Thanks for making a project manager Ludovic. I will try it some day in the next week. I'm swamped with things to do right now. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
Craig Niederberger wrote: *Yes*. My EECS students prefer to run linux inside vmware, as they typically have laptops with single drives. Joshua Boyd wrote: What VMware does very right is that it allows you to easily move virtual machines, in the form of images, from one machine to another. I heard from a professor that the concept of offering server machines loaded with gEDA and such was a dead issue because of VMware's market share and popularity for avoiding installation time, and just using huge areas of disks as tools. I suppose some people might have 5 or so disk images they use in order to avoid integrating it all and getting 5 tools/entertainment_programs that way. Is that a good guess? Is VMware's emulation now THAT good, that the usual 2GHz+ hardware has no trouble with it? and they offer a freebie now? (If you get someone else's image) How many images can run at once with Player? Is that their marketing ploy? If you want real convenience, you need a VMware license? John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
RE: gEDA-user: vhdl and gschem
Yes. Pick yourself up a copy of Peter Ashenden's The Designer's guide to VHDL. Additionally you may want to get a copy of the IEEE VHDL LRM. There is no reason to use schematic capture packages to do Verilog or VHDL. Some have claimed that using it to import your VHDL/Verilog such that it auto-generates a system block diagram is an acceptable use... I usually will give them that, but not much more. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:geda-user- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Brorson Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:48 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: vhdl and gschem I applaude your efforts to understand the VHDL back-end. It's too bad it doesn't seem to work easily; I do think that it should just work. That being said, I must say that using a schematic capture package to do Verilog or VHDL seems to defeat the purpose. That is, these text-based logic languages have pushed schematic-based logic design aside because they are much easier to deal with once a design has grown beyond a certain (not very large) size. Maybe somebody will contradict me -- which is fine -- but in my experience nobody actually draws logic symbols anymore, except for a few random gates now and then. Rather, real logic designs are captured as Verilog or VHDL in text format, and compiled directly to programming files which are loaded into FPGAs, CPLDs, and the like. At the schematic level one just draws lots of boxes with lots of pins corresponding to the FPGA or CPLD. Therefore, using gschem to draw a logic circuit and then netlist to VHDL isn't a commonly used design flow nowadays. Instead, people just create a textual design using a text editor. Maybe that's why the VHDL netlister hasn't received much attention recently. Stuart On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: Hello there, I successfully created a vhdl file from http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/cours_vhdl/halfadder.sch http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/cours_vhdl/output.net. However, since my schematic includes some and2 and or2, the output.net includes the respective components, but if I compile the vhdl file directly, it will fails since it lacks the and2 and or2 entities. Unfortunately for such a simple schematic. Is there a method to tell gnetlist to include appropriate package name for the and2 and or2 components so that one shouldn't right his own and2 and or2 vhdl file but uses the standard vhdl code? Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Probably the thing that's holding this up is who wants to host a 500MB+ download? Hmm. I am tempted to volunteer. My webspace is mostly unused. Monthly traffic is 10GB only, I have a server with about 94GB going unused each month. I'll put it up for a while and see... After, (if), traffic gets to 50GB, I'll stop it. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: YARR (refdes-update)
I placed my version of a refdes_renum utility at ---
http://www.luciani.org/geda/util/util-index.html#refdes-update
The command line options are listed below. See my webpage for a
better format.
N.B. I have performed minimal testing on this script. If you decide to use it
you should test it on a victim schematic in a victim directory.
(* jcl *)
--clear
Resets all refdes ordinals to the undefined value.
--list
Outputs a list of refdes's that were found in each schematic.
Suffixes are ignored.
--verbose
Sundry annoying messages.
--dryrun
Outputs a list of actions to be taken without performing them.
--reuse
Reuses refdes ordinals that were skipped in each schematic.
--update
Only change refdes's were the ordinal is undefined.
--renum
Change all refdes's. This should perform like refdes_renum
--nopageoffset
Do not add an offset to subsequent schematic pages.
--pageoffset \value
The offset value added to the refdes ordinal is
\hbox{$(pagenumber - 1)\cdot pageoffset$}.
The default value is set to 100. Each schematic specified on the
command-line is considered a page.
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Re: gEDA-user: YARR (refdes-update)
Hi John, I placed my version of a refdes_renum utility at --- Hehe, another refdes update utility. :-) I have completely lost track of the number of these. I'm sure it is at least 5+ by now. It's pretty amusing actually, we might end up with a new one of these per week. :) -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Re: VMPlayer Image
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:44:27 -0600, John Griessen wrote: I suppose some people might have 5 or so disk images they use in order to avoid integrating it all and getting 5 tools/entertainment_programs that way. Don't know about some people. But to me a vmplayer is a bridge to windows, that win users accept. Is VMware's emulation now THAT good, that the usual 2GHz+ hardware has no trouble with it? Not with such a slender application like geda on linux :^) and they offer a freebie now? (If you get someone else's image) I guess, it is a means to prevent competitors from entering the market via the low price segment. ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak http://lilalaser.de/blog ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: YARR (refdes-update)
Hehe, another refdes update utility. :-) I have completely lost track of the number of these. I'm sure it is at least 5+ by now. It's pretty amusing actually, we might end up with a new one of these per week. :) So, it's a race between refdes update utilities and PCB HIDs? ;-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: YARR (refdes-update)
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 10:17:53PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
So, it's a race between refdes update utilities and PCB HIDs? ;-)
Actually I started hacking on djboxsym, got frustrated, started over
and I'm up to about 550 lines of perl, and you can do things like:
# Labels appear at the lower left of the part box
gaf::gsave;
gaf::rmoveto(0, -50);
foreach my $label (@{$self-{labels}-{pins}}) {
gaf::text(str = $label-{label}, color = 5, alignment = 2);
gaf::rmoveto(0, -$pinspacing);
}
gaf::grestore;
Let the race begin. ;-)
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Re: gEDA-user: Why does auto-mirror mirror the bottom?
Maybe the dialog should be task-oriented instead of setting-oriented. If I want to do toner transfer, then I want the top reversed and the bottom not, but I still want both assembly diagrams to be normal for top and reversed for bottom. I'd hate to have to second guess EVERYONE trying to use pcb and what kind of invert/mirror options they need. But if you can come up with a suitable scheme and a patch (it's all in src/hid/ps.c) I'm open to convincing. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
Ok. I will keep those things in mind. p.s. I haven't quite got mailing lists worked out yet, because I've only really ever used forums and IRC channels. Is there some way that I can opt to receive mail only from threads to which I am subscribed? I know that's really a forum thing, so if not, I'll just opt to check the archives every so often instead of receiving mail. Not really, but you could turn on mail list digesting (it's in the mailman web interface), so that you get only get one message per day. This one message includes all the traffic for the list for the day. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
On 2/16/07, Ales Hvezda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok. I will keep those things in mind. p.s. I haven't quite got mailing lists worked out yet, because I've only really ever used forums and IRC channels. Is there some way that I can opt to receive mail only from threads to which I am subscribed? I know that's really a forum thing, so if not, I'll just opt to check the archives every so often instead of receiving mail. Not really, but you could turn on mail list digesting (it's in the mailman web interface), so that you get only get one message per day. This one message includes all the traffic for the list for the day. -Ales Jeremy is using Gmail, so he can do this: 1) set a filter to catch messages with gEDA-user in the subject and archive immediately (bypassing the Inbox). 2) to see threads you have posted in, click Sent Messages. The unread threads are highlighted. 3) to read the list, do a search for gEDA-user. Gmail is excellent for mailing lists. It's even better than NNTP clients. Regards, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You think that it is a secret, but it never has been one. - fortune cookie ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
