Re: gEDA-user: Ngspice for Ubuntu
On Friday 04 July 2008 06:06:22 Thomas D. Dean wrote: I have tried several options, but, cannot get a plot to display. I tried building with --with-x, but that gives me 'no graphics interface' Check that you have the correct development headers installed. As far as gEDA is concerned, all of it is packaged for Ubuntu, and lots of users use it on Ubuntu successfully. Try: apt-get install geda-examples geda-gattrib geda-gnetlist geda-gschem \ geda-gsymcheck geda-symbols geda-utils geda-xgsch2pcb pcb gerbv Cheers, Peter -- Peter Brett Electronic Systems Engineer Integral Informatics Ltd signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Ngspice for Ubuntu
I have geda installed. I used apt-get install geda. Then pcb, gerbv, gtkwave, verilog, etc. I just can not get ngspice to work and I have not found gsch2pcb. tomdean ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Ngspice for Ubuntu
I could not install geda-xgsch2pcb. I need to look at the repository lists... tomdean ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gsch2pcb for Ubuntu
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Thomas D. Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the midst of switching from FreeBSD to Linux. So happens, I have Ubuntu. I installed geda with apt-get. Quite a few things not there. gsch2pcb. Looks like geda only suggests geda-utils, which contains gsch2pcb. Bear in mind that making it a hard dependency would mean pulling in PCB as well when you just want gschem and friends. (gschem and PCB are separate, though related, projects, each with their own repositories.) If you install geda-xgsch2pcb, both geda-gschem and pcb will be pulled in as hard dependencies. You might want xgsch2pcb anyway. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gsch2pcb for Ubuntu
I guess that you are using Ubuntu Hardy Herron. Based on my experience using the package manager you are at least one year behind current. Best to do it from the tarball else you run into bugs that have been fixed. Regards Ian. I am in the midst of switching from FreeBSD to Linux. So happens, I have Ubuntu. I installed geda with apt-get. Quite a few things not there. gsch2pcb. tomdean ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gsch2pcb for Ubuntu
Thanks for the reply. The repository information seems to refer to gusty. Where do I find information on the 'versions' or repositories? On boot, I see Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic I found a reference to the hasty repositories. I will change to that. tomdean ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Hello list, I'm a total gEDA newbie and am pretty amazed about what is possible already. Still, I'm currently having some problems which probably are extremely easy to solve for some of you - most of them are only about usability. Currently I'm just designing with gschem, maybe do some PCBs later. So here are my questions, all about gschem: 1. How can I highlight a complete net in gschem? I have mostly stuff like http://bildrian.de/n/b/c3c0ce767ca5d198.png this - when I want to find out where exactly PA2 goes, I have to manually follow each piece of network, which is kind of annoying. 2. I love the keyboard shortcuts, they make design really efficient when you got used to. One thing that annoys me, however, is that nets are started with n, but when you're finished, you have to hit Escape. This is a long way from the n. Can I remap it so that finishing networks can be done with, say b? 3. When drawing nets, is it possible to just undo the last click while staying in network drawing mode? I currently always hit Escape, then mark the net, move the misplaced vertex, then again hit n. 4. When moving vertecies which are connected to two networks (e.g. a corner somewhere), how can it be done that *both* endpoints of the net in question are moved? Currently when I move a point it first moves the vertex from the first part, disconnecting the network. Then I have to manually also pull the second one there. Any help appreciated, Thanks, Johannes ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:37:51 +0200 Johannes Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I'm a total gEDA newbie and am pretty amazed about what is possible already. Still, I'm currently having some problems which probably are extremely easy to solve for some of you - most of them are only about usability. Currently I'm just designing with gschem, maybe do some PCBs later. So here are my questions, all about gschem: 1. How can I highlight a complete net in gschem? I have mostly stuff like http://bildrian.de/n/b/c3c0ce767ca5d198.png this - when I want to find out where exactly PA2 goes, I have to manually follow each piece of network, which is kind of annoying. According to http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/12275 it's not yet possible 2. I love the keyboard shortcuts, they make design really efficient when you got used to. One thing that annoys me, however, is that nets are started with n, but when you're finished, you have to hit Escape. This is a long way from the n. Can I remap it so that finishing networks can be done with, say b? Right click will stop the current net, and left-click will restart the net (i.e. gschem remains in 'net' mode) 3. When drawing nets, is it possible to just undo the last click while staying in network drawing mode? I currently always hit Escape, then mark the net, move the misplaced vertex, then again hit n. Ctrl-Z undoes the last 'leg' of the net 4. When moving vertecies which are connected to two networks (e.g. a corner somewhere), how can it be done that *both* endpoints of the net in question are moved? Currently when I move a point it first moves the vertex from the first part, disconnecting the network. Then I have to manually also pull the second one there. If you drag the center (not the endpoints) of a segment, it'll move entirely (remaining connected to the net). I'm not sure what you mean... Any help appreciated, Thanks, Johannes John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Ngspice for Ubuntu
It wants: libX11 libXext libXt libXmu libXaw and maybe libSM libICE I forgot those (or perhaps their -dev packages) aren't installed by default. Use synaptic or aptitude or something to install the missing stuff (particularly the -dev packages). If anything else is missing, the configure spew may help figure it out. On Jul 3, 2008, at 11:06 PM, Thomas D. Dean wrote: Thanks for the reply. I have tried several options, but, cannot get a plot to display. I tried building with --with-x, but that gives me 'no graphics interface' Any ideas? tomdean ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT Slightly] Contract Manufacturer Recommendations
On Thursday 03 July 2008 11:36:42 am John Luciani wrote: I am looking for a quality manufacturer to build apx. 100-1000 pieces of a few different boards. http://www.matric.com is just up the street from me, where I worked for many years. There were a few times where customers left because they complained about the price, then eventually returned saying we got what we paid for. http://www.matric.com/tour.html They are putting a new BGA X-Ray machine into service. -- http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.unusualresearch.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT Slightly] Contract Manufacturer Recommendations
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Bob Paddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2008 11:36:42 am John Luciani wrote: I am looking for a quality manufacturer to build apx. 100-1000 pieces of a few different boards. http://www.matric.com is just up the street from me, where I worked for many years. Thanks. (* jcl *) -- http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Ngspice for Ubuntu
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 13:28 -0600, John Doty wrote: It wants: libX11 libXext libXt libXmu libXaw and maybe libSM libICE I forgot those (or perhaps their -dev packages) aren't installed by default. Use synaptic or aptitude or something to install the missing stuff (particularly the -dev packages). If anything else is missing, the configure spew may help figure it out. Are there differences between the -dev (I assume development) and the regular libs? In FreeBSD, -dev does not exist. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: yet another breadboard adapter
Something different this time around - it's vertical! http://www.delorie.com/electronics/m16c-26-adapter/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gsch2pcb for Ubuntu
I'm not the person to answer. My experience Gutsy use Gutsy, Hasty use Hasty. Else you end up cleaning the disk win problem fixing style. I suspect that these are a Ubuntu version of deb files and are not to be confused with exe or bin stuff. They have dependencies and can be super frustrating. Go to http://www.geda.seul.org/ bottom of page click PCB and bottom of that page is PCB home page click that then downloads in box on left wow nearly there find pcb-20080202.tar.gz suck it into your machine. Now what? How to install anything if stuck. http://www.monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/#installing_with_synaptic There is a set of instructions somewhere specially for installing pcb. Maybe they are in the tarball, sniff in the unpacked tarball stuff. Using this method is good for any platform. PC, Mac, 32 or 64 bit etc. Make a directory and stuff what you downloaded into it. Click on it and the Ubuntu magic will make a directory tree and stuff it with the tarball stuff. Now for the non windows stuff. Applications/accessories/terminal (dos glass typewriter) cd to the magic directory and type. ./configure ;then make ;then sudo make install I think that's what I did. You may have to pull in a few extra libs and packages but I think most of what you need is there or use the apt-get or package manager to get it. I hope that this will not discourage you. Regards Ian. On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 08:23 -0700, Thomas D. Dean wrote: Thanks for the reply. The repository information seems to refer to gusty. Where do I find information on the 'versions' or repositories? On boot, I see Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic I found a reference to the hasty repositories. I will change to that. tomdean ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Ngspice for Ubuntu
Success! After I got some of the other -dev packages installed, configure complained of missing libXaw! Before that, even though I configured with --with-x, configure did not complain. Guess I have been spoiled in AIX, Sun, SCO, FreeBSD, Etc. Thanks, tomdean ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Ngspice for Ubuntu
On Jul 4, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Thomas D. Dean wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 13:28 -0600, John Doty wrote: It wants: libX11 libXext libXt libXmu libXaw and maybe libSM libICE I forgot those (or perhaps their -dev packages) aren't installed by default. Use synaptic or aptitude or something to install the missing stuff (particularly the -dev packages). If anything else is missing, the configure spew may help figure it out. Are there differences between the -dev (I assume development) and the regular libs? In FreeBSD, -dev does not exist. The regular packages contain the libraries themselves. The -dev packages contain the headers you need to compile against the libraries. The assumption is that ordinary users are going to install binaries, and only developers will compile. I think it's flawed: even if 99.9% of the time you install binaries, there will be the odd package you need that isn't in the distro, so even ordinary users will compile occasionally. It's not good to subject them to this problem, but this is the custom in the Linux world. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Ngspice for Ubuntu
On Friday 04 July 2008, John Doty wrote: The regular packages contain the libraries themselves. The -dev packages contain the headers you need to compile against the libraries. The assumption is that ordinary users are going to install binaries, and only developers will compile. I think it's flawed: even if 99.9% of the time you install binaries, there will be the odd package you need that isn't in the distro, so even ordinary users will compile occasionally. It's not good to subject them to this problem, but this is the custom in the Linux world. There are also some programs that use a compiler at run time to compile user code for faster execution or extensions. Icarus Verilog is one of these. Recent snapshots of gnucap also fall in this category, as do most of the better professonal circuit simulators such as Spectre. If you explicitly install a library, you should install the -dev version. The non-dev versions are for automatic installation by the package manager when a compiled program needs them. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: yet another breadboard adapter
DJ Delorie wrote: Something different this time around - it's vertical! Interesting concept. It solves the covered breadboard wire problem pretty nicely. I might try something like this. It strikes me that you could also do this as two boards, an interposer that has a row of pins on 0.300 centers, and dual-row header socket down the middle. Then the SMT board could have a right-angle header on it. This would be more expensive that what you are doing, but easier to assemble, I think. Actually, I guess the socket could be left out and and the right-angle pins could be soldered into both boards. -dave http://www.delorie.com/electronics/m16c-26-adapter/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: yet another breadboard adapter
It strikes me that you could also do this as two boards, an interposer that has a row of pins on 0.300 centers, and dual-row header socket down the middle. I thought of this, but didn't have the sockets, so I designed it for what I had on-hand. Plus, I don't have the luxury of plated holes, so I need to be able to get to both sides of the board for each pin, and the press-fit pins give me that. I really like those pins for use in breadboards; they're much easier to insert and remove than 22 ga wire (too soft) or standard headers (too big - 25mil vs 18mil). Then the SMT board could have a right-angle header on it. If the board is 0.062 thick (i.e. normal, not like mine, which are 0.031) then a straight 2x24 male header should slip over the board and solder on just like my pins did. This would be more expensive that what you are doing, And take up more room. Those headers usually have that big (relatively ;) plastic spacer on them. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: yet another breadboard adapter
Interesting concept. It solves the covered breadboard wire problem pretty nicely. I might try something like this. Another advantage is that it creates a pseudo-I-beam, so removing it is less risky - there's almost no flex in the foot board. OTOH you can't run wires over the chip, because it's an inch high now. If the pin you want is on the wrong side of the adapter, it's a long way around to get to it. I also thought about designing adapters to straddle the power bus on my breadboard, but that covers up the bus. You'd have to pin the adapter for the off-grid power bus also, and pre-plan for all pull-ups and pull-downs. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
