Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
1. Would any of the existing maintainers be able to devote more time to gEDA if they had financial support to do so ? In my case: yes. :-/ Peter -- Peter Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk Remote Sensing Research Group Surrey Space Centre ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Peter Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: 1. Would any of the existing maintainers be able to devote more time to gEDA if they had financial support to do so ? In my case: yes. :-/ Peter OK, so that's a 'yes' for question 1! Now for question 2 - money. A few weeks back I was seriously considering paying $5K for Altium. In the end I decided against it (closed source p*sses me off too much), but it did make me realise that I could justify spending that kind of money on pcb software. Now if we're thinking in terms of a $200K per year developer then $5K will achieve next to nothing - but let's think of alternatives. I can't remember the details, but I vaguely recall that a second Google Summer of code with funding of ~$15K would have allowed Anthony to finish the toporouter. http://www.linuxfund.org/projects/pcb/ tells me that $3330 allowed DJ to improve PCB's file import system. So we don't necessarily have to think in $100K's for achieving real results. Now many of us aren't in a position to spend money on PCB software - but what if two other members of our community were also able to afford $5K ? Perhaps three of us could chip in to fund a GSOC equivalent. If that allowed a result like finishing the toporouter (say), I could well judge that to be money well spent. If 7 other people came forward and it was $2K each I'd find it a no brainer. But I realise I'm really ignorant of my own community - am I the only one who would consider funding PCB development by others ? Are there 7 who could afford $2K ? Are there 20 who could afford $750 ? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: component names hide all
Dears, Is there any simple way to hide all component numbers on the board? Thank you Péter Papp ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Stephen Ecob silicon.on.inspirat...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Peter Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: 1. Would any of the existing maintainers be able to devote more time to gEDA if they had financial support to do so ? In my case: yes. :-/ Peter OK, so that's a 'yes' for question 1! Now for question 2 - money. A few weeks back I was seriously considering paying $5K for Altium. In the end I decided against it (closed source p*sses me off too much), but it did make me realise that I could justify spending that kind of money on pcb software. Now if we're thinking in terms of a $200K per year developer then $5K will achieve next to nothing - but let's think of alternatives. I can't remember the details, but I vaguely recall that a second Google Summer of code with funding of ~$15K would have allowed Anthony to finish the toporouter. http://www.linuxfund.org/projects/pcb/ tells me that $3330 allowed DJ to improve PCB's file import system. So we don't necessarily have to think in $100K's for achieving real results. Now many of us aren't in a position to spend money on PCB software - but what if two other members of our community were also able to afford $5K ? Perhaps three of us could chip in to fund a GSOC equivalent. If that allowed a result like finishing the toporouter (say), I could well judge that to be money well spent. If 7 other people came forward and it was $2K each I'd find it a no brainer. But I realise I'm really ignorant of my own community - am I the only one who would consider funding PCB development by others ? Are there 7 who could afford $2K ? Are there 20 who could afford $750 ? I'm aiming to finish University in a few months.. if people would like to fund work on the toporouter, then I would be pretty keen to work on it full time. Regards, Anthony ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: If you want to become a PCB committer, the process starts by writing good patches, reviewing other people's patches, and being involved in design discussions. When it gets to the point where the maintainers are just checking in whatever you ask, you're in :-) Well, obviously, this path was tried, but requires too much patience to be successful. And then there is that closed gEDA-dev list. How can the above work when the dev list is closed? -- Stephan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: component names hide all
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:46 PM, uv u...@peterpapp.com wrote: Dears, Is there any simple way to hide all component numbers on the board? Thank you Péter Papp Yes: 1. Select all (Alt+A or use the menu Edit - Select all visible) 2. Enter command mode by typing : 3. Type the command ToggleHideName(SelectedElements) You can make them all visible again by repeating this process. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]
On Thursday 09 Dec 2010 09:35:53 Stephan Boettcher wrote: DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: If you want to become a PCB committer, the process starts by writing good patches, reviewing other people's patches, and being involved in design discussions. When it gets to the point where the maintainers are just checking in whatever you ask, you're in :-) Well, obviously, this path was tried, but requires too much patience to be successful. And then there is that closed gEDA-dev list. How can the above work when the dev list is closed? If I remember correctly, a major factor in the closure of the gEDA-dev list was that the signal to noise ratio became very low. There were several people, few of whom *ever* submitted patches, loudly and rudely telling the people who *were* writing code and having ideas how their approach was wrong, the design was wrong, their ideas were wrong, how dare you change anything, you *must* do it *my* way, etc etc etc. It got to the point that it was actively *hindering* development, because it was very off-putting to the actual developers. Although the discussions on gEDA-dev are less frequent now, at least they are usually quite constructive. Perhaps the time has come to reconsider the role of and access to the gEDA-dev list? How can we ensure that it doesn't collapse into an unproductive bikeshedfest again? Peter -- Peter Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk Remote Sensing Research Group Surrey Space Centre ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
Anthony Blake wrote: Stephen Ecob wrote: 1. Would any of the existing maintainers be able to devote more time to gEDA if they had financial support to do so ? I'm aiming to finish University in a few months.. if people would like to fund work on the toporouter, then I would be pretty keen to work on it full time. Not wanting to put too much of a spanner in the works... It would need to be thought out carefully - for example, I'm pretty sure that in the UK, the sorts of sums of money that are being talked about mean that HMRC would be interested for income tax / national insurance purposes. Whilst I'm not saying it couldn't be done, the overheads of going self-employed (which is what this is) for a short period might mean that the $15k (or whatever) ends up being significantly less in the hands of the developer. Of course, for a developer that's already self-employed... ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
I'm aiming to finish University in a few months.. if people would like to fund work on the toporouter, then I would be pretty keen to work on it full time. Regards, Anthony Good, we've established that money could help to improve gEDA :) What I'm *very* unsure of is whether we could raise enough to make a difference. Does anyone have any idea of how many of us make commercial use of gEDA ? As a business user I face the fact that if I choose to use commercial EDA software such as Altium then I'll pay $4K every year for a program that will make me go prematurely bald as I pull my hair out in frustration at bugs that I have no power to fix. I've chosen to use free software instead. Yes, PCB has many shortcomings - but I'm free to fix them. My business is just starting up, so cashflow is tight. At this stage I'm more inclined to contribute to gEDA by coding myself than by paying others to do it for me - but in the future I may have less time and more money. At that stage paying others to improve gEDA would make good business sense. I could easily justify $4K per year, perhaps more - businesses who use Cadence or Zuken are probably paying $20K per year. One business contributing $4K per year is almost insignificant - but 10 could achieve something worthwhile, 50 could fund a full time developer. But it's nothing more than a pipe dream unless there are others out there who think the same. Does anyone else think the same ? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]
On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 10:27:31AM +, Peter TB Brett wrote: snip If I remember correctly, a major factor in the closure of the gEDA-dev list was that the signal to noise ratio became very low. There were several people, few of whom *ever* submitted patches, loudly and rudely telling the people who *were* writing code and having ideas how their approach was wrong, the design was wrong, their ideas were wrong, how dare you change anything, you *must* do it *my* way, etc etc etc. It got to the point that it was actively *hindering* development, because it was very off-putting to the actual developers. Although the discussions on gEDA-dev are less frequent now, at least they are usually quite constructive. Perhaps the time has come to reconsider the role of and access to the gEDA-dev list? How can we ensure that it doesn't collapse into an unproductive bikeshedfest again? It may be rude to state, but there are about 3 or 4 persons at most, who cause this sort of frustration on the user mailing list and on irc. I would say if you can set up some sort of simple, short but clear policy about what topics are for the dev list, and ban only those 3-4 persons, opening the dev list would be possible. Regards, Tibor Palinkas ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:55:37 +1100 Stephen Ecob silicon.on.inspirat...@gmail.com wrote: Good, we've established that money could help to improve gEDA :) What I'm *very* unsure of is whether we could raise enough to make a difference. Does anyone have any idea of how many of us make commercial use of gEDA ? As a business user I face the fact that if I choose to use commercial EDA software such as Altium then I'll pay $4K every year for a program that will make me go prematurely bald as I pull my hair out in frustration at bugs that I have no power to fix. I've chosen to use free software instead. Yes, PCB has many shortcomings - but I'm free to fix them. My business is just starting up, so cashflow is tight. At this stage I'm more inclined to contribute to gEDA by coding myself than by paying others to do it for me - but in the future I may have less time and more money. At that stage paying others to improve gEDA would make good business sense. I could easily justify $4K per year, perhaps more - businesses who use Cadence or Zuken are probably paying $20K per year. One business contributing $4K per year is almost insignificant - but 10 could achieve something worthwhile, 50 could fund a full time developer. But it's nothing more than a pipe dream unless there are others out there who think the same. Does anyone else think the same ? I've decided that when I make money with gEDA, I'll give some percentage back to the developers. I even felt a bit strange (sorry my English ends here) when I first sold a hardware to my fellow guy for $30. How can you ask money for something created by free software? Then I said that I ask money for my work. Afterwards, I donated some to the Linux found (more than $30 :-). In the other hand, I think we should concentrate on the priorities first. I know it will hurt some, but We have 2 (or more) autorouter. I know that they are nice, and usable, and required but we have rounding errors in the code as well. Which is important? We have 3D view, but we don't have negative layers. I'm sorry, if I annoy anyone. I just want you to see my point. Levente -- Kovacs Levente leventel...@gmail.com Voice: +36705071002 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: component names hide all
On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 09:46:56 +0100 uv u...@peterpapp.com wrote: Dears, Is there any simple way to hide all component numbers on the board? Settings-Hide names -- Kovacs Levente leventel...@gmail.com Voice: +36705071002 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: comments on gcode generation
Markus Hitter wrote: Am 01.12.2010 um 21:47 schrieb Bert Timmerman: * no voronoi mode: all the other tools (see below) support a mode where they fill the unused area of the board with the closest net. this cuts the machining time down to less than 50%. Yes, this would be a very welcome addition. Is there a pure C library with this stuff available somewhere? Java or C++ isn't an option for inclusion with gEDA. http://www.qhull.org There happens to live a git repo here: git://gitorious.org/qhull/qhull.git Thanks for the link, Bert. I fear this is a bit too complex for me to justify putting it in the next few days. You might have a look at triangle.c from Jonathan Richard Shewchuk. I used it to compute triangulations in astro-images and it's not complex at all - but very fast ;-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]
Hi Peter, On 9 December 2010 10:27, Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: Perhaps the time has come to reconsider the role of and access to the gEDA-dev list? How can we ensure that it doesn't collapse into an unproductive bikeshedfest again? Honestly, I don't think that time has come. I still see those same conversations shifted to the user list now and they would simply move back to the dev list again. Gareth ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 11:48 +0100, ge...@igor2.repo.hu wrote: It may be rude to state, but there are about 3 or 4 persons at most, who cause this sort of frustration on the user mailing list and on irc. I would say if you can set up some sort of simple, short but clear policy about what topics are for the dev list, and ban only those 3-4 persons, opening the dev list would be possible. I don't want to get into the world of bad feeling that singling people out to be banned would cause. I'd much rather work on a free and open project than start having an authoritarian one where if you aren't in favour, you are excluded. Perhaps we can draft some mailing list policy for geda-dev which encourage conversation to remain on-topic. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 12:16 +0100, Kovacs Levente wrote: In the other hand, I think we should concentrate on the priorities first. I know it will hurt some, but We have 2 (or more) autorouter. I know that they are nice, and usable, and required Not a bad thing IMO.. and the toporouter not only looks like it will be able to do excellent routing, its quality output will attract users to the software. That in turn helps attract development effort (or funding for it). but we have rounding errors in the code as well. Are you thinking of the metric/imperial stuff, or the numerical issues present which keep causing the occasional bug with polygon intersections? If the latter, I've not got been able to implement the suggested snap rounding algorithm, but did have an attempt at getting some of the prerequisite Bentely Ottman intersection routines in place. (There's a branch for that ;)), No it doesn't work properly, and yes, I've virtually abandoned it for now.. other more pressing things to fix. Which is important? We have 3D view, but we don't have negative layers. I'm sorry, if I annoy anyone. I just want you to see my point. 3D view came very very easily and cheaply from work I was doing which I would deem to be of VASTLY greater importance than negative layers. PCB's rendering is SLOW. Layers are OPAQUE, so working on multi-layer boards with lots of planes is near impossible. This barrier to use needs removing, and my pcb+gl branch addresses those shortcomings. Since GL is a 3D API, adjusting the projection / modelview matrices to present the board in 3D is _REALLY_ easy. (Granted, 3D models of components was just an amusing distraction) Still, this is the kind of thing which differentiates us (badly) from other packages which CAN model boards in 3D with components. If this costs us users, it costs the project. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Trapezoid pads
I am looking to make a trapezoid shaped pad for an inductor. So far, I created a rectangular pad and drew lines on the surface to create the shape. Is there a better way as I would like to reuse the pad shape. George ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Trapezoid pads
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 10:34 -0500, George M. Gallant, Jr. wrote: I am looking to make a trapezoid shaped pad for an inductor. So far, I created a rectangular pad and drew lines on the surface to create the shape. Is there a better way as I would like to reuse the pad shape. No good way at present. Within a footprint, you can of course use multiple pads with the same name. You might consider placing lines (all the same name) when editing the footprint, but you will have to add enough lines to block out the shape you want. __ /___\ //___\\ /___\ Not very nice, but it works. I've attached an example. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) test.fp Description: application/pcb-footprint ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Trapezoid pads
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 17:23 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 10:34 -0500, George M. Gallant, Jr. wrote: I am looking to make a trapezoid shaped pad for an inductor. So far, I created a rectangular pad and drew lines on the surface to create the shape. Is there a better way as I would like to reuse the pad shape. No good way at present. Within a footprint, you can of course use multiple pads with the same name. Do you mean same number? The pads have name and number -- if I remember correctly name is arbitrary, but overlapping electrically connected pads have the same number. (And number don't have to contain only digits, it can be text...) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA-dev: Dev list [was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB]
Perhaps the time has come to reconsider the role of and access to the gEDA-dev list? How can we ensure that it doesn't collapse into an unproductive bikeshedfest again? I would be amenable to defining the geda-dev list as those who have commit access somewhere (pcb, geda, icarus, etc) and start being more open to new developers. GCC has various levels of maintainers that perhaps we could emulate? There are four levels (or were): 1. Global maintainers, who can do anything anywhere. ATM they're listed as global reviewers who can approve anything but their own patches, but we're not that big yet. 2. Area maintainers, who can do anything in their area. 3. Area reviewers, who can approve other people's patches in their areas but not their own. 4. Write after approval - can commit if one of the above OKs it, can't approve anything for anyone else. The current situation is we have a few #1, a few #2, and nobody else. I'd like to build up the #3 and #4 groups. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements
Hello all. I seem to remember I read about this a time ago, but me and google can't seem to find any reference: I'd like to put text into PCB elements (in this case to label pins of a connector on the silk screen), but that doesn't seem possible... Each time I try to add text to an element, it just disappears. I checked the specs. I know I could do it manually at board design time, but I use this connector regularly, and would rather have the text at the pins be printed automatically. I suspect this would be welcome to mark C, B, E in transistors, K/A in diodes, and other applications. Suggestions? Or maybe an estimate on how difficult it'd be for an average programmer to add? John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Trapezoid pads
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 18:53 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 17:23 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 10:34 -0500, George M. Gallant, Jr. wrote: I am looking to make a trapezoid shaped pad for an inductor. So far, I created a rectangular pad and drew lines on the surface to create the shape. Is there a better way as I would like to reuse the pad shape. No good way at present. Within a footprint, you can of course use multiple pads with the same name. I meant same number of course, sorry. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements
The current Element syntax doesn't allow for extra text in it, sorry. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA-dev: Dev list [was: Random thoughts onthe future interface of PCB]
Hi all, -Original Message- From: geda-dev-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-dev-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of DJ Delorie Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:11 PM To: gEDA developer mailing list Cc: geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-dev: gEDA-user: Dev list [was: Random thoughts onthe future interface of PCB] Perhaps the time has come to reconsider the role of and access to the gEDA-dev list? How can we ensure that it doesn't collapse into an unproductive bikeshedfest again? I would be amenable to defining the geda-dev list as those who have commit access somewhere (pcb, geda, icarus, etc) and start being more open to new developers. GCC has various levels of maintainers that perhaps we could emulate? There are four levels (or were): 1. Global maintainers, who can do anything anywhere. ATM they're listed as global reviewers who can approve anything but their own patches, but we're not that big yet. 2. Area maintainers, who can do anything in their area. 3. Area reviewers, who can approve other people's patches in their areas but not their own. 4. Write after approval - can commit if one of the above OKs it, can't approve anything for anyone else. The current situation is we have a few #1, a few #2, and nobody else. I'd like to build up the #3 and #4 groups. shameless plug If the #3's and #4's (or anyone else for that matter) were to have thier own fork of the area they are involved with, and the #2's (and only if needed the #1's) could git cherry-pick from these forks (after discussion, prodding, tweaking etc. and final agreement) with a couple of mouse clicks that would be nice Github has automated pull requests, fork queues, an integrated issues system, configurable post commit hooks, comments on commits, wiki pages (for your personal dev-blog), on-line editing files, etc etc -- Github rocks, just have a look at https://github.com/features/projects /shameless plug Just my EUR 0.02 Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA-dev: Dev list [was: Random thoughts onthe future interface of PCB]
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 20:46 +0100, Bert Timmerman wrote: shameless plug ... your personal dev-blog), on-line editing files, etc etc -- Github rocks, ... /shameless plug Do you work advertising for GitHub in your spare time Bert? ;) -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Trapezoid pads
Thanks for the help. 10+ years of using PCB and I never had to create a custom footprint from scratch. George On 12/09/2010 01:42 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 18:53 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 17:23 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 10:34 -0500, George M. Gallant, Jr. wrote: I am looking to make a trapezoid shaped pad for an inductor. So far, I created a rectangular pad and drew lines on the surface to create the shape. Is there a better way as I would like to reuse the pad shape. No good way at present. Within a footprint, you can of course use multiple pads with the same name. I meant same number of course, sorry. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA-dev: Dev list [was: Random thoughts onthe future interface of PCB]
Hi Peter, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Peter Clifton Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 9:04 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Cc: 'gEDA developer mailing list' Subject: Re: gEDA-user: gEDA-dev: Dev list [was: Random thoughts onthe future interface of PCB] On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 20:46 +0100, Bert Timmerman wrote: shameless plug ... your personal dev-blog), on-line editing files, etc etc -- Github rocks, ... /shameless plug Do you work advertising for GitHub in your spare time Bert? ;) Yup, because I try to find a possible solution, and not add to the problem ;-) If it is a solution for gEDA and friends to get more developers, more contributions, speed-up development ... Github is free as in beer ... The gEDA #1 can still keep the golden repositories on a file server in a basement somewhere ... gEDA and friends can even keep the SF tracker system ... It's not based on competition, it's based on cooperation ... I guess no-one looses anything, it could be a win-win situation ... if it adds another burden and doesn't work then drop it, I will not have hard feelings, that is not in my nature ;-) Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: TRACKERS [was: Re: gEDA-dev: Dev list [was: Random thoughts onthe future interface of PCB]]
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 21:22 +0100, Bert Timmerman wrote: ... gEDA and friends can even keep the SF tracker system ... Actually, I have been looking quite seriously at the possibility of ditching SF trackers and moving all the history of bugs to Launchpad. I can do a fairly lossless export, and I'm working on fixing some issues with the Launchpad bug import code to be able to translate any bug numbers embedded in the bug comments. Nothing is decided yet.. beyond verifying that it is technically feasible, I want to know that all the current developers buy in (or at least consent) to a move. Launchpad being properly open source now removes one potentially strong argument against its adoption, but no doubt there will be people who dislike it for other reasons, or trust SourceForge more than Canonical. I'd welcome feedback from people who actively encounter and report bugs (especially in favour of the move ;)). I'd also welcome feedback from anyone who works with bug reports, test patches, merge code etc... (Doesn't have to be with gEDA / PCB, anything regarding Launchpad / SourceForge). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: TRACKERS [was: Re: gEDA-dev: Dev list [was: Random thoughts onthe future interface of PCB]]
I'd welcome feedback from people who actively encounter and report bugs (especially in favour of the move ;)). I'd also welcome feedback from anyone who works with bug reports, test patches, merge code etc... (Doesn't have to be with gEDA / PCB, anything regarding Launchpad / SourceForge). We're hearing complaints that some submitted patches aren't receiving enough attention, but there simply isn't enough maintainer time available to give everyone as much attention as they'd like. If Launchpad makes it quicker and easier for maintainers to process patch submissions then it will help, let's adopt it. If you do trial Launchpad I'd be happy to funnel my bug reports and patches through it, I'd be interested to see how it compares to SF from the patch submitter's point of view. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: FUNDING (was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)
Hello all, On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 21:55 +1100, Stephen Ecob wrote: I'm aiming to finish University in a few months.. if people would like to fund work on the toporouter, then I would be pretty keen to work on it full time. Regards, Anthony Good, we've established that money could help to improve gEDA :) What I'm *very* unsure of is whether we could raise enough to make a difference. Does anyone have any idea of how many of us make commercial use of gEDA ? As a business user I face the fact that if I choose to use commercial EDA software such as Altium then I'll pay $4K every year for a program that will make me go prematurely bald as I pull my hair out in frustration at bugs that I have no power to fix. I've chosen to use free software instead. Yes, PCB has many shortcomings - but I'm free to fix them. My business is just starting up, so cashflow is tight. At this stage I'm more inclined to contribute to gEDA by coding myself than by paying others to do it for me - but in the future I may have less time and more money. At that stage paying others to improve gEDA would make good business sense. I could easily justify $4K per year, perhaps more - businesses who use Cadence or Zuken are probably paying $20K per year. One business contributing $4K per year is almost insignificant - but 10 could achieve something worthwhile, 50 could fund a full time developer. But it's nothing more than a pipe dream unless there are others out there who think the same. Does anyone else think the same ? I think the same, but I am also in the same position (start-up, tight cashflow). I use gEDA professionally (as a freelancer) but only for a few (1 or 2) small projects a year. If my situation changes (more money, more projects) I have no objection to a donation to the gEDA project. I'm trying to contribute to the project but it's a steep learning curve. I also agree with Levente, as the cheap Dutchman that I am, I like to see where my money will be spend. Just my €0,02 Robert. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: FUNDING (was: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)
How about a Kickstarter project for the toporouter? Let Anthony make a proposal and put it on www.kickstarter.com, and then gEDA users can pledge donations. If it raises enough money by graduation (or whatever other deadline), then we all fund Anthony to work on it. If we don't raise enough, then nobody gets charged, the toporouter languishes, and Anthony has to get a real job like (some of) the rest of us. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Stephen Ecob silicon.on.inspirat...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:45 AM, myken my...@iae.nl wrote: fund a full time developer. But it's nothing more than a pipe dream unless there are others out there who think the same. Does anyone else think the same ? I think the same, but I am also in the same position (start-up, tight cashflow). I use gEDA professionally (as a freelancer) but only for a few (1 or 2) small projects a year. If my situation changes (more money, more projects) I have no objection to a donation to the gEDA project. I'm trying to contribute to the project but it's a steep learning curve. I also agree with Levente, as the cheap Dutchman that I am, I like to see where my money will be spend. Just my €0,02 Robert. Thanks Robert, it's good to know I'm not the only one ! Stephen ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: TRACKERS [was: Re: gEDA-dev: Dev list [was: Random thoughts onthe future interface of PCB]]
If submitted patches don't receive enough attention, maybe there is something wrong with them. Maybe they don't work, introduce Nope, we just don't have a lot of time to review them. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Removing My* memory alllocation functions
On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 11:26 +1100, Stephen Ecob wrote: Hi Peter, Here's my patch that should be equivalent to your patches 0001 followed by 0002. My patch is against GIT head as at commit 466b0183758ef3ca44623c43de60a233b175d2ad Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:43:19 + (13:43 +) I suggest you check that our patches are equivalent, hopefully that will ensure that no mistakes slip through. It caught a few things I'd changed where I shouldn't have, and although we didn't end up with completely identical changes, I've fixed up my patches and pushed them. Speaking of which.. I really meant to get your name on the commit log, and I did not. VERY sorry about that, especially after all the help you've given me with testing things. AH HECK.. I'm going to break a rule and non-fast-forward push them again with the appropriate credit. Best wishes, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Removing My* memory alllocation functions
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 11:26 +1100, Stephen Ecob wrote: Hi Peter, Here's my patch that should be equivalent to your patches 0001 followed by 0002. My patch is against GIT head as at commit 466b0183758ef3ca44623c43de60a233b175d2ad Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:43:19 + (13:43 +) I suggest you check that our patches are equivalent, hopefully that will ensure that no mistakes slip through. It caught a few things I'd changed where I shouldn't have, and although we didn't end up with completely identical changes, I've fixed up my patches and pushed them. Speaking of which.. I really meant to get your name on the commit log, and I did not. VERY sorry about that, especially after all the help you've given me with testing things. AH HECK.. I'm going to break a rule and non-fast-forward push them again with the appropriate credit. Oh, thanks - you didn't have to do that! Anyway, the main thing is it's nice to see all of the tidying up that you've pushed today :-) Best regards, Stephen ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
