gEDA-user: gEDA user list in transition
Hello All, After many years (10+) of hosting the user mailing list at SEUL, the time has come for the user list to find a new home. DJ has graciously volunteered to host two new gEDA mailing lists on his server: 1) A new list called: geda-help The geda-help mailing list is for people seeking help using the current released versions of the various gEDA tools, including new gEDA users, those looking for tips and techniques, or those trying to work around a bug to get their jobs done. Please avoid such topics as the history or future of these tools, as it only serves to confuse new users. 2) The replacement for this list called: geda-user General discussion list for users of the gEDA tools, including gschem and friends (gaf), PCB, gerbv, Icarus Verilog, gnucap, and ngspice. Please subscribe to the above lists going forward. Information on doing so is at: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:mailinglists Specifically go to: http://www.delorie.com/listserv/ for info on how to subscribe to the new geda-help or the new geda-user. Note, these new lists will be unmoderated, however, there is now a gEDA Code of Conduct Document that you should read and agree to follow before you subscribe to any mailing list or participate in any gEDA communication channel. This document is available at: http://www.gpleda.org/CodeOfConduct.html This list (old geda-user) is now in emergency moderation mode so I will only approve messages that are currently in the queue (or somehow critical to this transition). I will send out redirects to the new list for a little bit of time. Eventually this list (old geda-user) will be shutdown. Other related notes/changes: * The gEDA announce, bugs, and cvs mailing lists will continue to be hosted at SEUL for the time being. * The gEDA developers mailing list will be moving to launchpad in the near future. Note, the developer mailing list archives are currently broken. Fixing this is on my todo list before it moves to LP. * The gEDA wiki will be undergoing some changes as well in the near future, but those have not been formulated as of now. But for now, I have disabled all write access to the wiki until I can sort out some issues related to the new Code of Conduct. Plus I need to do a user purge as there quite a few stale accounts. Please watch the start wiki page for any updates. Thank you for your patience in this time of transition, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: howto toporoute?
[snip] Unfortunately, its original site seems to be out of business :-| Probably not, as the original toporoute developer has quit: http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Mar-2011/msg7.html sad. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Documentation for scheme API
[snip] Like I said before, this is in no way an inherent property of wiki style software, or dokuwiki in particular. See my wiki at bibo.iqo.uni-hannover.de or any of the examples offered at http://www.dokuwiki.org/Template I volunteered to morph the look and feel of the geda wiki into something more usable. The response by the geda devs was nil. Yes, this put me off. Kai-Martin Knaak, you do not have to ask permission to do something like that. Please create/setup a better gEDA wiki on one of your 'net servers, advertise it (like here), and get people to add content to it. I can pretty much guarantee that if you create something superior, the existing gEDA wiki will become obsolete/out-of-date and nobody will use it. Please send out a link when you have something to show us. Thanks! -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: first time
[snip] Lately, there is an effort to revamp the default lib of symbols and footprints. But don't hold your breath. Kai-Martin Knaak, how is that new/revamped library coming along? Recall that in [1] you were challanged (and you accepted) to create a new default lib that can replace the existing shipping symbols library with something that is better. Everybody is waiting with bated breath! :) Thanks, -Ales [1] http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/May-2011/msg00441.html ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA wiki in read-only mode
[snip] I'm doing some maintenance on the gEDA wiki this weekend, so it is currently in read-only mode. ... The gEDA wiki is back to read-write mode. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Meta (was: Reinventing the wheel)
[snip] The difficulty for me is that when I see potentially flexible changes discusse d in inflexible ways by developers, I strongly suspect that the developers wil l act as they write: they will actually implement something inflexible. Yes, the developers will do whatever they want (regardless of whether you think it is flexible or inflexible). -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Meta (was: Reinventing the wheel)
[snip] Yes, the developers will do whatever they want (regardless of whether you think it is flexible or inflexible). And let me further qualify this statement with this: John Doty, if you really want to influence the developers, then you should step up and create something (like a prototype) that shows your ideas that others can play with and evaluate. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem
Kai-Martin Knaak, [snip] My proposal to tackle many of the library related issues is the notion of packages. Great, thank you for posting these details. You seem to have an approach on how to fix the library issues. It would be great if you could now implement this approach as a prototype for everybody to evaluate. I look forward to downloading your new symbol libraries as well as any modified software. Thank you, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem
[snip] I think we're still in the what do we want to do phase :-) We have been in the what do we want to do phase for many many years. Talk is cheap. -Ales less talk, more code ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA mailing lists change
Hi folks, Effectively immediately, all gEDA mailing lists except geda-dev are now moderated. As I do not want to moderate every single post, I will do some sort of a whitelist scheme and I'll find a way of getting a group of people moderation privileges. Sorry for the sudden change. Feel free to send me private e-mail if you have any questions. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [snip] chip vendor companies
Hi All, [snip entire message] I've dealt with this offline and made some changes so it doesn't happen again. Sorry for the interruption, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA wiki in read-only mode
Hi, I'm doing some maintenance on the gEDA wiki this weekend, so it is currently in read-only mode. Let me know if you desperately need to make an edit. :) Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: An opportunity to fix the symbol library
Kai-Martin Knaak, [snip] No size fits all. That does not preclude improvement over the current situation. DJ and I are asking you to improve the current situation by creating, distributing, and maintaining a better default symbol library than the one that is currently shipped with gEDA/gaf. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: An opportunity to fix the symbol library, (Was: Reinventing the wheel)
Kai-Martin Knaak, [snip] The symbols in the current default lib fail for both. Why don't you use gedasymbols.org to show us how you would fix the current gEDA/gaf shipped symbol library. Create your ideal library, no limits, or restrictions. Also, feel free to use as much disk space on gedasymbols.org (I have explicit permission from DJ) as you need. Let people know it exists, use it, and comment on it. Then, we can compare your symbol library to the broken shipped symbol library and see if it makes sense to switch. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA wiki software updated
I have upgraded the software running the gEDA wiki today (long overdue). If you see something broken please let me know. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Draft Licence for Open Source Hardware published
[snip] See http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Draft-Licence-for-Open-Source-Hardwar e-published-1038048.html commentary here: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=1224 And my usual questions: http://lwn.net/Articles/396011/ -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 1/7] PCB localization
[snip] Ales - is it possible to configure mailman not to munch [PATCH...] emails? It has stripped some leading whitespace from the context, and appended a footer which is confusing patch. I looked and I don't see a way of doing that sort of (non)filtering with mailman. I do recommend that people submit patches to the trackers since 1) no munching and 2) ability to track them. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was Re: gattrib)
[snip] symbols Ales himself manages. I also have far more symbols than Ales, and Ales's files have remained untouched for over four years now. As I said, I have absolutely nothing to do with gedasymbols. I should remove those symbols since they are completely unmaintained and I do not want them associated with me. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was Re: gattrib)
Again I'd be happy to clean this page up a bit. Who is admin for this page? Ales? DJ? I have absolutely nothing to do with gedasymbols. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: suppress command line window in Win32 build
[snip] Can you post the server's new SSH fingerprint? 2048 d7:07:7f:96:51:11:ab:43:57:0d:fe:92:45:72:e8:93 -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gpleda.org going down (server move)
[snip] If you get a blank page, then it means that DNS hasn't been fully propagated (or if it has, then I've managed to mess something up). DNS seems to have propagated sufficient, so most services should be up and running. Let me know if you see something broken. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: suppress command line window in Win32 build
[snip] I've got a patch ready for testing (attached), and if you can confirm it works, I'll push it to git HEAD once Ales declares the servers are ready for use again. git on the new server should be ready for use now (all repositories). Please report any issues, cause I probably messed something up. :( -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gpleda.org going down (server move)
Hi, I'm taking gpleda.org down now (for probably all this evening). Please don't commit anything in the meantime (cause won't be able to...). Hopefully by the time it comes back, it will be living on a new server. Note, I am changing DNS so it will take a while for the new information to propagate. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gpleda.org going down (server move)
[snip] I'm taking gpleda.org down now (for probably all this evening). Please don't commit anything in the meantime (cause won't be able to...). The new host is up, but gpleda.org's DNS hasn't yet propagated everywhere (even to the the host itself), so until that happens I don't expect much to work (externally). If things are working, the following websites should load: http://www.gpleda.org http://git.gpleda.org http://pcb.gpleda.org http://gerbv.gpleda.org If you get a blank page, then it means that DNS hasn't been fully propagated (or if it has, then I've managed to mess something up). Anonymous git should work just like before: git clone git://git.gpleda.org/buildgeda.git git clone git://git.gpleda.org/gaf.git git clone git://git.gpleda.org/geda_manager.git git clone git://git.gpleda.org/gerbv-tinyscheme.git git clone git://git.gpleda.org/gerbv.git git clone git://git.gpleda.org/gerbvhtdocs.git git clone git://git.gpleda.org/gparts.git git clone git://git.gpleda.org/gpledahtdocs.git git clone git://git.gpleda.org/pcb.git git clone git://git.gpleda.org/pcbhtdocs.git git clone git://git.gpleda.org/xgsch2pcb.git Those people with write access should change repo.git/.git/config remotes line from: [remote origin] url = ssh://git.gpleda.org/home/git/repo.git to [remote origin] url = ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/repo.git or [remote origin] url = ssh://g...@gpleda.org/repo.git (putting in the right name for repo.git). Those with write access should also be able to clone using the following: git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/buildgeda.git git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/gaf.git git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/geda_manager.git git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/gerbv-tinyscheme.git git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/gerbv.git git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/gerbvhtdocs.git git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/gparts.git git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/gpledahtdocs.git git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/pcb.git git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/pcbhtdocs.git git clone ssh://g...@git.gpleda.org/xgsch2pcb.git Please let me know if you cannot clone or get to the webpages after about 12 hours (in order to get DNS a chance to propagate). I would hold off on pushing changes until I get a chance to test things a little better. Thanks, -Ales PS. I'm going to shutdown the old host once a full backup finishes. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Now, no more whining please... :)
Hi, Due to popular, consistent, long term, and quite annoying whining :), I have moved almost all the static content from www.gpleda.org into the gEDA wiki. I also simplified gpleda.org's top nav bar a little and made the wiki and the remaining static pages consistent. http://www.gpleda.org The download page (http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:download) needs serious help and is quite hideous at the moment, so please suggest (or just do it; anything else has got to be better) a better layout/approach (keeping the existing content somewhere on the page). Those people with wiki write access, go nuts. Those people without wiki write access, feel free to ask me for access if you plan on adding/doing something constructive. Feel free to post any comments you may have. If you see something wrong, be sure to point it out. -Ales PS. I am switching hosting companies, so please expect some downtime sometime before the end of this month. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: snag building GAF from git
[snip] INSTALL and README seem very simple now, so I think I followed all the steps. The simplicity is nice Ales. Any ideas how to get past this: Actually, I had very little to do with the README, INSTALL, or the simplified build. You can thank PeterB and PeterC for all that. [snip] cp -f ./*.scm ; \ [snip] cp: target `./gnetlist.scm' is not a directory [snip] It's repeatable after a make clean. Yeah, that's no good. What version of automake and autoconf: automake --version ;autoconf --version are you running? And what OS? Stuart was running some unholy old version of Fedora (heh, there I said it again, Stuart :-), but I don't have this problem and I haven't heard of anybody else having this problem (until now). -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gpleda.org network down...
Hi, It seems that the network (mainly incoming) to gpleda.org is down. I have submitted a support ticket with the hosting provider. I think this is a clear sign that I should move gpleda.org to the new hosting provider, probably later tonight or this week. I'll send a note once things start working again. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: hydraulic symbols and schematics
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Dave McGuire mcgu...@neurotica.com wrote: On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Bert Timmerman wrote: Do not discuss patents here please ! This is highly contageous and attracts law suits. Without the mentioning of patents the general idea would have come across as well. Oh good heavens. Mentioning the existence of a patent, and suggesting it as good reading because it contains interesting and geeky science stuff, attracts LAWSUITS? No really. Please do not post or discuss patents on any gEDA mailing list. -Ales -- Ales Hvezda ahve...@computer.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Two Questions
[snip] I must have forgotten to ask this question: Where and how can I get the latest release of gschem (1.6.1) - as apparently the link I use has only 1.6.0: http://www.gpleda.org/sources.html Now fixed. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Two Questions
[snip] Maybe you can fix the death link http://gerbv.gpleda.org/ANNOUNCEMENT-2.4.0 No, since that is a valid link but just doesn't have content behind it. The gerbv announcement really should be added at some point. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA code sprint this coming weekend (April 3rd)
Hi, It's been a while since we had one of these, but this Saturday (April 3rd) there is going to be a gEDA code sprint at my place and on the 'net. Time wise, I'm thinking the usual of 10am to 5pm EDT (or whenever for virtual attendees). For those of you that are located in the Boston area, you are more than welcome to attend in person at my home. Please e-mail me (ahvezdaATseul.org) so that I can get a head count and for the address/directions. For those of you that are not local to New England, you are more than welcome to hang out in irc (irc.seul.org, #geda) and you'll probably get more work done anyways. :-) Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gpleda.org downtime this weekend (3/20 - 3/21)
[snip] I want to do an OS upgrade this weekend on gpleda.org. I don't Okay, I'm going to start the upgrade right now. So, please don't commit anything for a little bit until it is done. In theory it should go okay, however, I haven't rebooted this box in over a year. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gpleda.org downtime this weekend (3/20 - 3/21)
[snip] Okay, I'm going to start the upgrade right now. So, please don't commit anything for a little bit until it is done. In theory it should go okay, however, I haven't rebooted this box in over a year. Hmmm. Unfortunately the upgrade didn't go quite according to plan (complicated by how the server is virtualized). I have reverted back to a backup I did when I started the process so everything should be up and running again. Feel free to continue doing whatever you were doing before I started this upgrade attempt. I need to talk to the hosting owners and figure out how to do this upgrade without breaking my current configuration. I will try this upgrade at a later date. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gpleda.org downtime this weekend (3/20 - 3/21)
Hi, I want to do an OS upgrade this weekend on gpleda.org. I don't expect long downtimes, but there might be a period of a couple hours of downtime. I'm not sure which day, but probably either Saturday afternoon/evening EST or Sunday. I'll send a note when things go down and when they come back. Let me know if this is a problem for anybody. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: GIT via HTTP
[snip] git.gpleda.org doesn't publish an HTTP repository. Actually it does, but I want to phase it out completely since git over http is a huge bandwidth hog. So, yeah, please use somebody else's bandwidth. :-) -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Launchpad (was: rant: pcb print from command line)
[snip] So how do we explicitly get that consensus? Do we need a concrete proposal to vote or otherwise express opinion on? Does anyone strongly object if I try to write that? I think the discussion should be more along the lines of: 1) Leave gEDA (that includes gaf, pcb, and gerbv) split between two private servers (seul.org and gpleda.org both privately funded). -or- 2) Move _all_ the projects project data elsewhere, like to SF or Launchpad. On a related note, there have been grumblings about the way things currently are, as evident by a fairly recent irc conversation (names removed and key statements cherry-picked): ATM Ales is a single point of failure I'm concerned actually about Ales being a single point failure problem with for-pay servers is users are motivated, they help pay for a few months, then no more so any decisions that affect $$ need to account for probably Ales paying for it out of pocket I have absolutely no issues with removing me as a single point of failure, however, if you people want to do it then put up the *cash*, time, and get some buy-in from all people doing the development work. For the record: getting gaf, pcb, and gerbv all in once place was a ton of work and was no picnic. I would be happy to provide a tarball of everything (it'll be big) and I don't want duplication of data, so if things are migrated away from gpleda.org, I would be happy to turn those services off. If you can't tell, I don't see the value of moving just the trackers from one SF-like service to another, just because we don't like the user interface. However, moving all the data to SF or Launchpad, that has my vote. And all the data includes: * webpage (though I own the domains for a few more years) * released files (current and historical) * git repositories * mailing lists * mailing list archives (also huge) * bug trackers * wiki -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Launchpad (was: rant: pcb print from command line)
Minor correction below. [snip] 1) Leave gEDA (that includes gaf, pcb, and gerbv) split between two private servers (seul.org and gpleda.org both privately funded). Actually more than just two, there is: * gpleda.org * seul.org * SF.net * and chunks on Launchpad. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Screenshots on www.gpleda.org/
I'd volunteer to provide an update. However, this page is not part of the wiki. How would I go about to contribute? Post some updated screenshots. Please make sure that they scale reasonably to something thumbnailed sized or such. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon
[snip] http://chitlesh.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/some-licenses-kill-opensource-me= chanical-design-flows/ Yes, there have been many times when I wanted to use a program for a larger project but it depended on opencascade. I do not like their license but what I really dislike is how they call it opensource. Yeah, this is quite unfortunate. A nice thread on Fedora's position (a link from Chitlesh's blog): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459125 What is interesting too is that OpenCascade has been accepted into Debian/Ubuntu into the main repository: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-May/000579.html With the interesting changes: ... * Upstream replaced Triangle by a free implementation, thus external-triangle.patch is removed as well as dependencies against libtriangle-dev. ... * All non-free bits have thus been removed, and opencascade is moved from non-free into main. ... One of the best discussions has been at: http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_15859 The very last response/paragraph is most telling: So when Open CASCADE becomes LGPL (one day, hopefully) anyone making any modifications will have to license those modifications under LGPL, should he/she will to integrate it into the source base he/she must be ready to disclaim copyright claims. Yes, Open CASCADE is free to use those modifications in its commercial projects, just like anyone else here, and to deliver them to its paying customers ahead of others. So what ? It's fair, it's open source, isn't it ? I don't see a problem here. disclaim copyright claims? Sounds like Open CASCADE S.A.S. wants the unfair advantage in taking code contributions and delivering them to paying customers ahead of others. They want to control everything and that doesn't seem very OSS friendly at all. Either it is open source/free software or it is _not_. The more I think about it, the more I like the chaotic: you contribute something, you own the copyright to that something, and then nobody has an advantage over anybody else. The important lesson here is pick the initial license carefully when starting a new project. I've gone OT for geda-user, sorry. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA project links updated
Hi, I finally got around to adding some links people have sent me or I've found via the referrer logs. This is what happens when I get flamed on slashdot. :-) http://www.gpleda.org/links.html I've added about 25 new gEDA create open source/free hardware projects. Please send me links if you have them or if you see a broken link. I may not respond right away, but I file these e-mails away for when I'm in a updating mood. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
Here's one of each. :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393096672/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393113304/sizes/o/ Awesome! Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
Hi Denis, [snip] I'm using gEDA on Windows (after fixing that quirk with cairo making the fonts too small). gschem is fine for editing schematics, and PCB is very Out of curiosity, how did you go about running gEDA on Windows? Which of the binaries are you using or did you build it yourself? Also, is there a gEDA bug report for the cairo font issue on win32? Thanks a bunch, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
[snip] John Luciani did some publication-quality symbols a couple of years ago. What ever happened to those? These? http://www.luciani.org/not-quite-ready/not-quite-ready-index.html Just a sampler and make sure you abide by John's license if you get the actual symbols. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
Hi, Could somebody please send me some screenshots of gEDA/gaf 1.6.x and/or PCB running on Mac OSX? Preferably with an interesting schematic/PCBs that you don't mind sharing with the world? Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1564716cid=31289534 Let me be the first to apologize. :-) Although, a couple people have posted that gEDA's documentation lacks in places. Any volunteers for: Make a beginners interface that looks Eagle-ish. -Ales :) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon
[snip] If you are looking for 2D CAD, then go with QCad. I've done a lot with that. It is very mature and very solid. I use it for all my 2D CAD designs, and I' ve used their .dxf I/O library in a CAM program for one of my tools. Unfortunately the current version of QCad is not free software and their community edition is a really old release which hasn't been updated in years (and is missing basic things like send to back/front). And their is virtually no development community around the community edition. I really doubt they will ever update their community edition as long as people are purchasing the commercial version. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: how to push/commit a new vbpp to geda?
[snip] So let me ask again, how do I upload it here: http://svn.seul.org/viewcvs/viewvc.cgi/eda/vbpp/?root=SEUL You really to get permission from the author of the vbpp to get write access to his repository. I did see some of the e-mails that you sent, but until you get a response, there is very little I am going to do or even willing to do with regard to repository write access. If you cannot get explicit permission (as Jimen might have disappear from the net) then you have two choice (IMHO): 1) Rename, fork, host, and maintain the vbpp derived project going forward. You will need follow the license which is described in the COPYING file. For vbpp this seems to be some sort of GPL derived like/hacked up thing (VPP GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE). 2) Fork, host, and maintain the vbpp project going forward (still following the appropriate license). Do this (with no project rename) at your own peril though, even though you made an honest effort to contact the author. You never know what will happen if the original author(s) comes along (suddenly wakes up from a coma etc...) and isn't happy that you hijacked his project. Good luck, Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: how to push/commit a new vbpp to geda?
[snip] You really to get permission from the author of the vbpp to ^ \- need get write access to his repository. I did see some of the e-mails that [snip] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf stable version 1.6.1-20100214 released!
gEDA/gaf 1.6.1 has been released. This focus for this release was bug fixing and language translation. Release Notes: to be written shortly. Download: http://geda.seul.org/release/v1.6/1.6.1/ Package maintainers: feel free to package up this release into any distribution. 0db35e4f2a5711f991022e106a56f125 geda-gaf-1.6.1-README.txt c0049dd86c2ca3177bf3bafce85d6edd *geda-gaf-1.6.1.tar.gz ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Please update your translations for gEDA/gaf in prep for a release
Hi, There is a desire to get a release (1.6.1) out this weekend or there abouts. Translators, please verify/update your translations as soon as possible. I don't really have a preference as to which branch these updates occur on, unless PeterC has a preference. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: how to push/commit a new vbpp to geda?
[snip] How do I upload my updates to vbpp to the above repository? Or should a new repo be created here instead http://git.gpleda.org/ ? Have you tried contacting the original author of vbpp? Based on the README this would be: Jimen Ching jch...@flex.com -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: --enable-cluster option.
[snip] While ngspice is one the the simulation back ends that gEDA can use, it is not part of the gEDA project, and I don't believe its developers watch this ngspice is part of the gEDA project: http://ngspice.sourceforge.net/presentation.html It is just managed/maintained/released completely independently. Paolo and the core gEDA developers do occasionally touch base from time to time. The best place for the OP to post ngspice questions would be to the ngspice mailing list: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ngspice-users -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: seul.org service coming back slowely...
[snip] All of seul.org's gEDA services should be fully functional now. Please send me a note if you see anything gEDA related non-functional. One more update/change. SEUL is no longer running an ircd on its primary machine. So, #geda hss moved to irc.oft.net. You can find all sorts of info on this irc network at: http://www.oftc.net/oftc/ Note, irc.seul.org points to irc.oftc.net, so there shouldn't be any interruption in service. If you cannot connect via irc.seul.org, please try irc.oftc.net and if that doesn't work please contact oftc. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA-dev: seul.org service coming back slowely...
[snip] The various services of seul.org are slowely coming back. I do expect the wiki and irc server to be back sometime soon. All of seul.org's gEDA services should be fully functional now. Please send me a note if you see anything gEDA related non-functional. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: seul.org service coming back slowely...
Hi, This is a test message to see if the mailing lists are working somewhat now. The various services of seul.org are slowely coming back. I do expect the wiki and irc server to be back sometime soon. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Outage coming for geda.seul.org
[snip] Just a heads up that all remaining gEDA related services that are hosted on geda.seul.org may be in a period of unstableness in the coming week (due to an OS upgrade and maybe hardware upgrade). I don't have a good feel for when (or how long) the outage will occur yet, but probably sometime this coming week. This downtime will start at 4pm (US EST). The seul.org machine will be down until tomorrow afternoon, probably until about 4-5pm. Then in will take some time for various services to be restored. Luckily, most of gEDA is no longer dependent on seul.org except the following: 1. geda-* mailing lists 2. geda-* mailing lists archive 3. wiki / documentation 4. Any legacy web pages living on geda.seul.org 5. irc server 6. dist, devel, and release directories 7. My e-mail: ahvezda AT seul.org (alt e-mail: ahve...@gmail.com). If somebody needs something badly during the downtime, send me an e-mail to the alt e-mail address), however, it better be an emergency. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Outage coming for geda.seul.org
Hi All, Just a heads up that all remaining gEDA related services that are hosted on geda.seul.org may be in a period of unstableness in the coming week (due to an OS upgrade and maybe hardware upgrade). I don't have a good feel for when (or how long) the outage will occur yet, but probably sometime this coming week. gEDA related services hosted on seul.org include: 1. geda-* mailing lists 2. geda-* mailing lists archive 3. wiki / documentation 4. Any legacy web pages living on geda.seul.org 5. irc server 6. dist, devel, and release directories 7. My e-mail: ahvezda AT seul.org (alt e-mail: ahve...@gmail.com). Some of these services I will move to gpleda.org or elsewhere. To get a status report (in case things suddenly disappear) as to where things stand, where things have moved to, please see: http://www.gpleda.org/status.html Sorry for the short notice and thanks for your patience, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf stable version 1.6.0-20091004 released!
gEDA/gaf 1.6.0 has been released. Release Notes: to be written shortly. Download: http://geda.seul.org/release/v1.6/1.6.0/ Package maintainers: feel free to package up this release into any distribution. 0db35e4f2a5711f991022e106a56f125 *geda-gaf-1.6.0-README.txt 1dacc71407e69d77eaf4c1115f5bcd56 *geda-gaf-1.6.0.tar.gz ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf unstable/development snapshot 1.5.4-20090830 released
An unstable/development snapshot of gEDA/gaf was released yesterday (1.5.3-20090829) and today (1.5.4-20090830). gEDA/gaf v1.5.3 had some release critical bugs (DOA) so it has been withdrawn and is no longer available for download. Please download, build, and run gEDA/gaf v1.5.4. You can find this unstable/development snapshot at: Release Notes: http://geda.seul.org/devel/v1.5/1.5.4/gEDA-gaf-1.5.4-releasenotes.html Download: http://geda.seul.org/devel/v1.5/1.5.4 NOTE: This unstable snapshot should _not_ be packaged into distributions. Please report any issues either via the bug tracker or to geda-user. Many thanks to everybody who worked on this release. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Project sources web page update
[snip] a patch for sources.html and a list of packages to download to geda.seul.org/dist (both assuming you still want to mirror the sources on geda.seul.org). Otherwise, may I suggest just removing the list Thanks for your patch. I actually updated most of the links late last night after seeing your msg in IRC. I do have a couple more links to update though. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gaf build problem: configure fails with syntax error
Hi, [snip] I tried to build the gaf (version 20090328) cloned from git today. After resolving some dependencies, I definitely stuck on following error (in libgeda): [snip] With 20081221 version configure runs without any problem: Any idea where can be a problem with latest version? Did you build 20081221 from git or from the release tarballs? Could you try building the 20090328 version using the released tarballs? Do you have the development libraries/files installed for guile (if you built guile yourself then you probably do)? -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Problem building gEDA from git repository
[snip] I'm having problems building gEDA from the git repository, following the instructions here: http://www.gpleda.org/developer.html. I'm getting the following error when running 'make install': configure: creating ./config.status config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in make: *** [libgeda_config] Error 1 Can someone give me a few pointers? I just updated that page and added two more required dependencies: cvs and flex. Please install those packages and then either: * rerun all the steps from the beginning or * better yet blow away the entire gaf.git tree and fetch it again and start over. Please let me know if that helps. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf unstable/development snapshot 1.5.2-20090328 released!
An unstable/development snapshot of gEDA/gaf was released yesterday (1.5.2-20090328). Many thanks to everybody who worked on this release. You can find this unstable/development snapshot at: Release Notes: http://geda.seul.org/devel/v1.5/1.5.2/gaf-1.5.2-relnotes.html Download: http://geda.seul.org/devel/v1.5/1.5.2 NOTE: This unstable snapshot should _not_ be packaged into distributions. This request is being reviewed and might change, stay tuned... Please report any issues either via the bug tracker or to geda-user. -Ales PS. Let me know if I missed something from the release notes. There were a rather large number of commits in this release as well. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gpleda.org hosting outage
Hi, There seems to be some sort of a network outage at the ISP that is hosting gpleda.org. Since they have posted a status update, I'm guessing they are working on the problem as we speak. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gpleda.org hosting outage
[snip] There seems to be some sort of a network outage at the ISP that is hosting gpleda.org. Since they have posted a status update, I'm guessing they are working on the problem as we speak. Obviously, things are back to normal (total downtime less than 4 hours and fixed on a Sunday morning; yah for commercial hosting). Please remote any odd behavior as the hosting machine (including the virtual machine) was up for many months. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: pinseq - pinnumber?
[snip] H maybe I need to change this piece of gEDA documentation: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:master_attributes_list#pinseq I'm pretty sure this page is wrong. Maybe people will complain less if it's fixed. Who ever removes the text that states that pinseq= is a requirement, please actually test gnetlist with non-trivial symbols that does not have the pinseq= attribute. You will probably have to test all the other gnetlist backends to make sure. From my point of view, pinseq= is still a requirement and I would rather not drop it. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB Build Errors
[snip] cvs -d :pserver:anonym...@git.gpleda.org/home/git/pcb.git co pcb The correct cvs co command is: cvs -d :pserver:anonym...@git.gpleda.org/home/git/pcb.git co master I have fixed the Obtaining PCB page now. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Was there a major change to how power nets are handled in netlists?
[snip] I'll try the 2nd in the immediate term, but it makes me nervous to use a netlister with a known bug. I have filed a bug (artifact as the new sf tracker likes to call them) on this issue (#2611098). -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Was there a major change to how power nets are handled in netlists?
Hi Matt,
In many of my schematics, I would have multiple power symbols, and
when I wanted them to be the same, I just connected them. However,
that no longer works! The netlister is making them separate nets.
I cannot seem to reproduce this in a simple schematic. Could
you do me a favor and take a look at the below schematic, netlist it with
your gnetlist (on your machine), and let me know if:
1) it matches what you are doing in your large schematic
2) it netlists correctly or incorrectly for you.
I might not have interpreted your schematics correctly and maybe I am
missing something subtle.
Was this intentional?
I hope not.
-Ales
v 20081231 1
C 46000 47600 1 0 0 resistor-1.sym
{
T 46100 47900 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
refdes=R1
}
N 46000 47700 45200 47700 4
N 45200 47700 45200 48700 4
C 45000 48700 1 0 0 generic-power.sym
{
T 45200 48950 5 10 1 1 0 3 1
net=one:1
}
C 44300 48300 1 0 0 generic-power.sym
{
T 44500 48550 5 10 1 1 0 3 1
net=two:1
}
N 44500 48300 44500 48100 4
N 44500 48100 45200 48100 4
C 45400 45800 1 0 0 resistor-1.sym
{
T 45500 46100 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
refdes=R2
}
N 45400 45900 44600 45900 4
N 44600 45900 44600 46900 4
C 44400 46900 1 0 0 generic-power.sym
{
T 44600 47150 5 10 1 1 0 3 1
net=two:1
}
C 43700 46500 1 0 0 generic-power.sym
{
T 43900 46750 5 10 1 1 0 3 1
net=one:1
}
N 43900 46500 43900 46300 4
N 43900 46300 44600 46300 4
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Re: gEDA-user: Problems cloning from git.gpleda.org
[snip] Cloning gaf.git works OK, but cloning pcb.git gives the same error gar...@xdcnb047-vbox:~/devel/geda$ git clone http://git.gpleda.org/pcb.git Is this the right URL? I thought it was supposed to be http://git.gpleda.org/git/pcb.git. Please check the gaf.git URL and see if it has a .../git/... in there. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Problems cloning from git.gpleda.org
[snip] Has something changed in the configuration of the git server in the changes of the last week? I now cannot clone from the repo at one of my machines: Yes, I made a change which affected http git access. I have re-enabled git access via http. Please try again. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA new home on the 'net and other good changes...
Hi, Recent good news/changes: * The gEDA's project's homepage has moved. The new address is: http://www.gpleda.org I have moved most things except the mailing list archives and the wiki. Please report any problems or broken links. In theory I have setup (correctly) redirection (301) on the geda.seul.org, so if you flush your web cache, you should be redirected to the new site automatically. Let me know if that doesn't work for you. * The PCB project has a new webpage too! The new address is: http://pcb.gpleda.org * The PCB project has also moved to using git. The git repository can be browsed at: http://git.gpleda.org/?p=pcb.git;a=summary Information on how to access the repository can be found at: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:scm The above changes have been a fairly recent push to unify the various toplevel gEDA projects in one place on the 'net. Many thanks to the PCB developers of allowing their project to be moved. Hopefully the other very important projects will move to gpleda.org as well. Stay tuned... All comments to me, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: new symbols
[snip] Ask Ales for an account and add your section to the site. Just remember, that your name is attached to the collection. IMHO, it's nice to have a collection of z80 related symbols in the lib. I have absolutely no responsibilities on gedasymbols.org. You need to contact DJ Delorie for an account there. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT] gEDA Linkedn group
[snip] I think Steve is right, so in the meanwhile I removed the said statement, for a more general one, without quoting or linking to the gEDA website, until a word of the project leader. If Ales and the other feel it's right to continue using it, we may choose together the best description for the group, and choose to modulate the description to give a link strength to gEDA as strong as we want (even none, if you wish, of course). Really, I don't object if people want to create groups like this. However, geda.seul.org (and soon only gpleda.org) will always be the official website of the gEDA project. You can describe a gEDA group on LinkedIn (or elsewhere) as you wish as long as it doesn't misrepresent the name/project. For example, please do not misrepresent the group saying that gEDA is some sort of economic developers association. :) -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT] gEDA Linkedn group
[snip] Currently gEDA's presence is spread between seul.org, sourceforge.net, launchpad.net, now linkedn.. * geda.seul.org is going to be de-emphasized at some point. I will probably continue using it as a file distribution site and for mailing lists (and respective archives). * gpleda.org will be the new homepage of the gEDA project in the near future. There has been progress in getting the various major gEDA projects to move to gpleda.org. Stay tuned... * Is anybody using the geda part of launchpad.net? * Sourceforge will continue to be used for file distribution, the trackers, and donation. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Hurray for gEDA!
Hi JohnD, [snip] Last night I delivered the schematic design and netlist for a data acquisition board for the TESS space mission. 1200 components, but the design is only seven schematics and three connector pin list Neat! Out of curiousity, how do you verify that the generated netlist matches the schematic? -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: FWD: Re: gEDA-dev: pyinotify and mac osx
[[ I'm forwarding this message that arrived to geda-dev (which was turned off last week) to geda-user. -Ales ]] On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 21:50 -0500, Peter Wiley-Cordone wrote: I've got geda running and building on macosx, and I'm trying to get geda manager going. It looks like I've got it down to needing pyinotify, and when I try to install that, I get: Exception: inotify not available under macosx-10.5-i386 The pyinotify page also says something about it relying on a linux kernel feature. Does anyone know if there is a way to get pyinotify running in mac osx? You're probably out of luck, since it is indeed a wrapper onto a Linux kernel API. geda-manager needs porting to the more portable libgamin / libfam. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: ben-mode with outline layer
[[ I'm forwarding this message that arrived to geda-dev (which was turned off last week) to geda-user. -Ales ]] On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:39:46 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:48:37 -0600, Mark Rages wrote: convert in.png \( +clone -background black -shadow 75x20+20+20 \) \ +swap -background white out.png Oups, some options are missing in this line. This will work better: convert PD-ac.png \( +clone -background black -shadow 75x20+20+20 \) \ +swap -background white -layers merge -resize 50% out.png ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de GPG key:http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmkamp;op=get ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT] gEDA Linkedn group
[snip] OK, but you can see where this idea creeps in: people wanting to work on, contribute to, and use Free (as in freedom) hardware designs do not want to depend on proprietary software to do it. Exactly, which is the primary reason why I started the gEDA project. Maybe Giuseppe should weaken that statement a little, but it makes sense to keep some kind of reference in there. Maybe: The statement actually comes for the gEDA website and the wording was choosen quite explicitly: The gEDA project was started because of the lack of free EDA tools for POSIX systems with the primary purpose of advancing the state of free hardware or open source hardware. ... The key words are: The gEDA project was started because ... Also, this license page has been debated and refined in the past: http://geda.seul.org/license.html and if you want to argue against it, then by all means, but please do it offlist. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT] gEDA Linkedn group
[snip] so what is off topic? Very little it seems. If you read my e-mail again, I didn't say anything was off topic. I just don't want to see another debate on the license, since it is all in the archives. And if you want to lobby for a change, please do it off list. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 1/6] Non-Turing-complete configuration files.
I don't think it is upto the implementer to decide what he/she wants, it us upto the Ales and other key developers decision. And as it so happens, PeterC and PeterB are key developers and the implementers. Best of all possible worlds, if you ask me. I think we can stop betting this horse which has long passed into Sto-Vo-Kor, as I haven't heard anything particularly bad about non-turing complete config files. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 1/6] Non-Turing-complete configuration files.
[snip] My proposal is to use a Scheme-like syntax for the configuration files, but to parse rather than execute them. Naturally, it would be necessary to design the system carefully to ensure that all configuration parameters can be specified in the reduced syntax. No objections as long as -s and File/Execute scripts... keep working. Scheme plugin mechanism should also allow arbitrary scheme to be executed on startup. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 2/6] Plugin system
[snip] Currently, Scheme is the only available extension language for gEDA. However, in future it may be desirable to extend gEDA apps in other languages, including possibly as native code loaded from .so files. No objections with the following constraints: - All plugins should be opt-in. - No enabled plugins by default (to start with; subject to careful review and discussion); no undiscussed and agreed upon plugin enabling. - Any plugins enabled by default (in the future) should not be used to stealthly circumvent current defaults or behavior. - It would be really nice to refactor existing scheme functionality into plugins. - Plugin mechanism must be portable. - Initial focus should probably be on scheme-centric plugins; native plugins can come later. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 3/6] Embedding system revamp
[snip] gEDA currently allows symbols or pictures to be embedded in a schematic. However, the current embedding system requires the full data to be embedded for each instance of an embedded item. This has a number of shortcomings: 1. It bloats filesize by requiring multiple redundant copies of the same data. 2. It makes updating embedded symbols a hassle, especially if you accidentally miss one copy of a particular symbol. 3. It is limited in terms of the filetypes that can be embedded. Although I can't currently think of any reason to embed file types other than images, symbols or (possibly) schematics, one might crop up in the future. I propose that a schematic or symbol file explicitly embed each embedded file once only, to then be referred to each time a component or picture object instantiates that file. 1. Disk space is cheap and it is currently really obvious how things are being stored. 2. Updating symbols is not that hard (select everything and update). Plus gschlas can probably be modified to provide functionality update all components in the specified schematics. However, what happens if a user does want N different versions of the same symbol embedded? 3. If you think of something other than symbols and images, please post. I'm neutral on this one at the moment. I think I will need to hear more pros/cons to justify the non-trivial amount of change (code wise and from a user's point of view) you are proposing. Also, keep in mind that the default of gschem is not to embed symbols/pictures, so how many users will really take advantage of this? [snip] [*] Note that we may also consider making gEDA files officially use CRLF line-endings, for better compatibility with 'quoted-printable' encoding Windows users. Really _not_ sold on this one. I think you will get significant push back if you expect POSIX users to have ^M in their files by default. gaf (anything really) should handle both including mixed gracefully. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 4/6] New window functionality.
The New window functiona in gschem is getting in my way (for a variety of rather technical reasons that I can go into if someone really wants me to). [*] Neutral, leaning towards leaving it in. Especially with an undefined / dangling [*]. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 5/6] Use of X server clipboard
[snip] Currently, if you 'copy' in gschem and 'paste' in another program, nothing useful happens. We should ideally try and use the X clipboard. No objections to any of the options. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 6/6] Generation of log files
Currently, running any gEDA suite program leaves behind a log file in the current working directory. I would like to change the default to not generating log files, so that I (and other users who use the default configuration) don't end up with gschem.log and gnetlist.log files scattered over their entire filesystem. Any objections? No objections, but the first user who posts a mysterious error report with no information (where the clarifying info would be in the disabled log file), you get the honor of playing 20 questions and telling them how to enable the log file and dealing with all the whining which will result. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 6/6] Generation of log files
[snip] The general consensus so far seems to be to carry on generating log files b= y=20 default, but to put them in some central location. What to call them and=20 where exactly that location should be ($HOME/.gEDA/logs? $TMPDIR/gEDA?=20 Somewhere else?) seems to be up for debate. That's fine, as long as you solve the contention problem in a portable and robust fashion. For simplicity sake I'm okay with the log files going into $TMP/gEDA/logs with the pid in the filenamme. This should probably be configurable (so those who like the log files in the project dir can stay happy), with the new location behavior being the default. You could also move the undo files into $TMP/gEDA/undo etc... -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 6/6] Generation of log files
[snip] I'm actually okay with leaving the backup undo files where they are. No-o= ne=20 seems to complain about Emacs keeping its backup/undo files in the same=20 directory as the file being edited. Doing this has the added advantage that= =20 if gschem crashes, and then someone tries to open the schematic as another= =20 user/from another machine, they will receive the do you want to recover=20 dialog. undo not backup files (they are different). Backup files should stay where they are. Run gschem for a while and look in the /tmp directory. There you will find the undo files which over time tend to pollute /tmp (and aren't removed if gschem crashes). -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 2/6] Plugin system
[snip] Can someone define plug-in for me? What is the advantage, given that the whole project is open-source? This is a good page which describes plugins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plugin -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 6/6] Generation of log files
[snip] We need to fix the security implications of making known named files in $TMPDIR, and with that I'd suggest that we used a subdir (per process perhaps?). I can't find anything in my /tmp for gschem undo files after I've been working with gschem for a while. If you exit gschem, the /tmp files are cleaned up. If gschem crashes, they are not. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: DJ's PCB making procedure
[snip] I have the link to your pictures of you making a pcb at: [1]http://geda.seul.org/projects/djs_pcbs/ I was wondering do you have written directions, not that the pictures aren't self explanitory, that go along with it? Or should I go by Direct Etch PCB's website? I thought I'd check before trying it. DJ did write up some descriptions, but somebody (an unnamed guilty individual, name starts with an A) hasn't posted the captions yet... -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos
[snip] AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL AM_PROG_LIBTOOL I didn't try the AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL line, but I did revert back to the original AM_PROG_LIBTOOL only line. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins
All, Oh no, not again... We have already had this _exact_ same endless discussion a couple of months ago. People, please go back into the archives and re-read the previous discussion and take all follow up offline. Please? [ snip everything cause it has been hashed out before ] Joerg, Posting the same complaints again and again, does *not* help your cause and will not generate any action/attention/sympathy. Again, please read and act upon the advice given at: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq#tool_xxx_is_missing_critical_feature_yyy_what_can_i_do In particular bullets one and three. I think that all developer goodwill and kindness (bullet two) has already been spent in full. In the end, my final recommendation is that you go out and purchase a commercial EDA package that meets all of _your_ needs. This project is really not for people who are unwilling/unable to accept the published goals/approach [1]. Let's all try very hard to avoid such repeat threads in the future. Thank you, -Ales [1] The gEDA project's goals/approach are clearly documented at: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq Please read it in full. If you do not agree with these goals, please find some other mailing lists to inhabit. Thank you. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins
[snip] Where on http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq is the word goal even used? The word is approach is only used to argue against monolithic programs. So I dispute that the goals/approaches are clearly documented I edit the page and spell it out even more clearly when I get a chance. [snip rest of the post -- no point of adding fuel to a fire] -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: geda-user Digest, Vol 32, Issue 28
[snip] It is an x86 Linux binary release. Unfortunately the release notes don't appear to be with it on the sourceforge site. Check again now. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: ExpressPCB is evil.... was: Re: New user to PCB - what does this error mean?
[snip nice e-mail] Call me a control freak if you like, but gEDA seems ok with that. :) This is an interesting point that should be reiterated. The whole point of gEDA is flexibility-- I hate it how some tools force you to work in and only in their narrow world. We (as developers) should not take away flexibility unless there is a really really good reason. At least we should keep all the control freaks happy. :) -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf stable version 1.4.3-20081231 released!
Hi, I have released the last stable release of gEDA/gaf for this year today (1.4.3-20081231). I'm _really_ hoping that this is the last stable release in the v1.4.x series. The sooner we can get 1.5.2 and 1.6.0 out the door the better. 1.4.3 is a roll up release that picks up a bunch of bug fixes since 1.4.2. Many thanks to everybody who did the cherry picking work (PeterB and PeterC) for this release. You can find this stable release at: Release Notes: http://geda.seul.org/release/v1.4/1.4.3/gaf-1.4.3-relnotes.html Download: http://geda.seul.org/release/v1.4/1.4.3 2008 was a really good year for gEDA/gaf. There were three unstable/development releases and four stable releases this year. Enjoy and Happy New Year! -Ales PS. md5sum's for this release are: 6305083c37a86f2353a8be40bcf70b99 *geda-docs-1.4.3.tar.gz 923fe9d9cc843b5eb7b26c91ad0ef2d4 *geda-examples-1.4.3.tar.gz e1f68401e7ca5fff16292358f0dfd553 *geda-gattrib-1.4.3.tar.gz ef31d47010108518c6d214516f3d0cad *geda-gnetlist-1.4.3.tar.gz 76eef656ba4e27c6083fa29b3a5dfb08 *geda-gschem-1.4.3.tar.gz 764613c24a752281a4f5d5432e53d0d2 *geda-gsymcheck-1.4.3.tar.gz e93f0c9747a66ce229702418b49e128f *geda-symbols-1.4.3.tar.gz 55ab23cad7aee2e65fcc742c424e68d4 *geda-utils-1.4.3.tar.gz f4254f345b5d1a1f3ae4e2e27ae38b0a *libgeda-1.4.3.tar.gz c425ae4dc5af85b0dba114050494d4a5 *Makefile 4745ac2c32a160bfcc55ca0fc5b14349 *README ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf unstable snapshot 1.5.1-20081221 released!
Release Notes: TBD (these will take time due to the sheer number of changes) Now posted at: http://geda.seul.org/devel/v1.5/1.5.1/gaf-1.5.1-relnotes.html Let me know if I have missed some critical change or misrepresented something. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: OT: Recommendations for laptop?
[snip] So, does anybody in here have recommendations for a good laptop? Or do you have any laptops to avoid? I am a big fan of IBM Thinkpads. There is no reason why you could not find an older referbished Thinkpad that isn't manufactured by Leveno. A number of people are adovcating Apple hardware on this list. I will not argue that Apple makes nice hardware. But this is after all a a free software oriented mailing list, so a little balance would be nice. I generally avoid Apple hardware, since Apple is as closed/proprietry and single source as a compay can possibly get. We can discuss this in person tomorrow, Stuart and JohnD. But please leave all weapons at home. :-) -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
