Re: gEDA-user: translucent tracks in PCB-head!
Yea!! This is fantastic! On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de wrote: Hi. A few minutes ago, I fetched the latest PCB sources from git and recompiled. Surprise: The resulting binary includes translucent tracks and polygons! This is both, beautiful and very useful. See the attached screenshot. Some of these days, Peter Clifton must have been silently pushing his patches to the main tree. -- Extra friggin big THANK YOU !! Note, this is real transparency like it should be. Not like the composite colors that eagle, kicad and protel99 use to make hidden objects visible. IMHO, the more physical model of GL transparency adds to the usability. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de GPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmkop=get ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: OT?: Altium (Protel) Relocates From Sydney Australia to Shanghai China
Yea, I second the last part of the. If you have a large library of parts done in a particular tool you will have to redraft all of them. That is not good. On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:19 AM, ge...@igor2.repo.hu wrote: On Sat, Apr 09, 2011 at 10:51:00AM -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: snip The developers always wanted to know the fastest way to do something and had no interest in learning the best way to do something. Lately I had the chance to work together with professional software developers from multiple different western countries, and I have to tell you it is not china-specific. I think it's a generic big-company problem that you will see all around the world. Those developers work for money, not for joy, so fastest way is the only way for them, especially combined with the pressure from the management to deliver at deadline _and_ save cost (do it with less developers). In the end the company did ship Cellphones that some how did work. Is that all that maters? I hope not... Is this one company representative of all development in China? I hope not... because of the above, in that big-copmpany environment it's very common to use duct tape all around. If there is a requirement and some well defined method that will be used to tes if the requirement is met at the end, you can be almost sure the developer will implement something that will work only for that one test case and will ignore the general idea behind th erequirement or the test case. This how sleep(1) kind of fixes end up in network code. I don't say it's because those developers are stupid or even inexperienced. It's more like the whole company culture. If you want to make things properly in such an environment, it will take more time and the feedback will not be cool, you made some really robust, reusable code but next time please spend less on the golden knobs and concentrate on the task. Thus the best developers either leave after a while (either to other company or promoted to management) or they will start following the lazy methods knowing that it's not good, but i have no choice. Hopefully this will drive a lot more interest to gEDA and PCB. Honestly, I doubt. At the end once the user got used to whichever tool, he won't switch easily even if quality starts to go down. Regards, Tibor ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Anyone using my gedasymbols?
I believe so. Thank you for sharing them. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Hi. I am curious: Is anyone on the list using the footprints and/or symbols in my department of gedasymbols.org? ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB antenna pattern
Make a symbol and matching footprint for the antenna. It is a functional element in the design. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Kovacs Levente leventel...@gmail.com wrote: I am designing a zigbee interface, and I am using an inverted F antenna out of PCB pattern. The problem is that the terminals of the antenna pattern are shorted (well not on 2.4GHz), so I don't have any clue what to put to the schematic. So far, I simply grounded the antenna pin of the transceiver, but it can lead to misunderstanding. The other option is to have a two-pin symbol, but the pattern will cause short circuit when running the DRC. Any suggestion? Thanks, Levente -- Kovacs Levente leventel...@gmail.com Voice: +36705071002 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:44 PM, kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: Evan Foss wrote: I may have missed it but has anyone suggested the brlcad format. It might be better than freecad in that it has export/import from a lot of other formats already written. It might be worse in that its user interface is prohibitively non- intuitive. I looked at the application a few years ago, when I was in need for a mechanical CAD application. Even the most simple operations required a number of complex steps. There is a whole chapter in the manual on how to move a component. The user base of brlCAD is marginal and will probably shrink even more, as more intuitive open source CAD applications will become a viable alternative. Following that logic gEDA will be made extinct by kicad any day now. brlCAD is truely free while freecad is based on opencascade which has a quasi open source licence. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request
Hi, I may have missed it but has anyone suggested the brlcad format. It might be better than freecad in that it has export/import from a lot of other formats already written. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gentoo pcb-20100929.ebuild
Great I will give it a whirl. Thank you. On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: I have send it to the developers, see http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341489 may take some days to go into the official tree, if you need it now, you may pull it from that page and copy to your local overlay. Let me know if there are any problems. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: No Diode in PCB?
Search in PCB for ALF. That is what I use for threw hole diodes. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Chris Maness ch...@chrismaness.com wrote: Is there no diode in the default PCB symbol directories? Thanks, Chris Maness ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: No Diode in PCB?
Oh yea I have my own diode symbols I use with it just to avoid issue. Sorry. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 16:31 -0400, evan foss wrote: Search in PCB for ALF. That is what I use for threw hole diodes. But BEWARE... the ALF diodes have a different idea of anode and cathode numbering to the geda-symbols shipped diode-1.sym and diode-2.sym! If you use diode-3.sym in the schematics, all should be well - but make sure you double check by showing the invisible text - or opening the symbol (Hierarchy menu - Down symbol) and checking the pinnumber attributes on the pins as compared to the footprint you intend to use in PCB. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:13 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH chitlesh.goo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: I just got aware of the open source mechanical CAD project freecad. It hit the debian repository a month ago. Although it is still lacking important features, much of the basic infrastructure is already up and running. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCAD_(Juergen_Riegel) Hello there, I was also interested to see these mechanical opensource projects into Fedora however, there are all stuck behind licensing issues. Is Debian shipping Freecad into their non-free repo or did the licensing issues clear away somehow? http://chitlesh.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/some-licenses-kill-opensource-mechanical-design-flows/ Yes, there have been many times when I wanted to use a program for a larger project but it depended on opencascade. I do not like their license but what I really dislike is how they call it opensource. Cheers, Chitlesh ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: PCB Solder Tabs
Hi, I would like to make threw hole solder tabs (not holes). The best description of how to do this in PCB was from this email.. http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Feb-2005/msg00111.html Has the process improved since then? Thanks, Evan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Kudos
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote: On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 01:02:33PM -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote: On 11/03/2009 12:35 PM, Duncan Drennan wrote: * gschem magnetic nets - always seem to snap to the wrong thing for me so I end up turning them off always. Need to tweak my config file. You can temporarily disable this feature by holding in the CTRL key. I guess that should be added to the wiki somewhere By golly, it works. Thanks for the tip! I would for one prefer to have the capability of inverting the way the Ctrl key works. I really like this idea. It is possible? I hope so. Gabriel ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Color PS output
Thanks guys. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Gareth Edwards gar...@edwardsfamily.org.uk wrote: 2009/9/30 Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk: Try adding the following to your gafrc: (load (build-path geda-rc-path print-colormap-lightbg)) Thanks, Peter, that works for me and I've update the wiki to reflect this. Gareth ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Color PS output
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:15:55 +, evan foss wrote: I would be happy to have it stay text only. Otherwise the settings that get pulled in from the users .gschemrc and the projects .gschemrc will get confused with the global version. That's why I suggested a temporary case-by-case override. The ~/pcb/preference vs ~/pcb/settings confusion is a warning example of what should better be avoided. The problem is not the interface the problem is most likely me the user. Making more graphical interfaces won't make me any smarter so similar problems will likely persist. :) For those curious my gschem file was this.. (component-library ./sym) (log-window later) ;Paper size here is letter not A4 (paper-size 11 8.5) ; letter This apparently breaks the color ps output. It will work in bw with this line but I can live with out it. (output-color enabled) ; for color postscript output -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Color PS output
Hi, I just tried to generate color Postscript output in both 1.5.2.20090328 and 1.5.4.20090830 and found that it won't work. Is anyone else having this problem? My gschemrc file has (output-color enabled) ; for color postscript output (image-color enabled) ; for color PNG output (enabled by default) copied from the wiki. Could someone please tell me what am I doing wrong here? -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Color PS output
Thank you. I will install that version too and run it to test my configuration. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Dave McGuire mcgu...@neurotica.com wrote: On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:37 AM, evan foss wrote: I just tried to generate color Postscript output in both 1.5.2.20090328 and 1.5.4.20090830 and found that it won't work. Is anyone else having this problem? My gschemrc file has (output-color enabled) ; for color postscript output (image-color enabled) ; for color PNG output (enabled by default) copied from the wiki. Could someone please tell me what am I doing wrong here? Just a data point...I'm running 1.4.0.20080127 (still), and I get (beautiful!) color PS output with the above options. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Color PS output
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: On Wednesday 30 September 2009 21:23:06 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:32:43 +0100, Peter TB Brett wrote: Dang. It really is bust. *grumble* Okay, I managed to get it working by making sure that my (output-color enabled) line was in gschemrc rather than gafrc. Weird. May I suggest a GUI way to manage this kind of setting in the GUI? Can we just say, for setting in geda_settings: request_config_gui(setting, user=Kai-Martin Knaak) Look, we know it's a general problem -- it's just that no-one has the time and/or motivation to do the necessary work. I would be happy to have it stay text only. Otherwise the settings that get pulled in from the users .gschemrc and the projects .gschemrc will get confused with the global version. Peter -- Peter Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk Remote Sensing Research Group Surrey Space Centre ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA just hit SlashDotOrg (why live CD wouldn't work)
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:11 AM, igor2ig...@inno.bme.hu wrote: On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, evan foss wrote: You know the mechanical people have a livecd or I think it is dvd now. Perhaps we should have an electronics live disk of some kind? For a few semesters I was teaching gschem/pcb for undergrads. In the very first semester I tried with live cd (one I built myself) but it didn't work out as good as I expected. Reasons for this, in my opinion, are little issues: some seemingly unimportant convention of windows that windows users are so got used to that they do not want to switch to anything else, even if what they are currently using is the worst possible way of doing that thing. Some examples (and possible solutions): That is a group of people who didn't want to learn something new. I am not being anti windows, I just expect students to want to learn. - window manager; there are ways to make the live cd run a very similar window manager that windows has, but it will never be the same. Any little difference will annoy windows users. Being annoyed until you get used to a new thing is a sign of their being inflexible. Mac users are the same way in some cases when told they need to use their command prompt. If it is just annoying to them they will still get their work done. - command line; most of windows users believe if you need to type commands or you see a prompt, that's the sign you are doing something wrong. On this, xgsch2pcb helped a lot but... Again shame on them for being hostile to learning new and different things. - ... but these are separate programs, tools are not integrated, omg, this will be very complicated how could i ever learn this? Really, this You as the teacher should have talked them down from this. Each tool only does 1 thing very simply. was one of the big surprises for my students, that doing different tasks can be best achieved by using different tools. And this is not even about Seriously? Do they try to use the same tools for all tasks. How many go home and sharpen pencils with a food processor? hjaving back annotation, it's purely about having everything in one big window. I am rather sure if anyone would come up with a tool that integrates xgsch2pcb, gschem and pcb into a single window with tabs, these users won't ever notice they are separate programs even if mouse commands are different in each window. There was a time I wanted to do that. Then I realized it wasn't going to be as flexable as using makefiles. - and if we are already here, the mouse. I remember I had hard time learning PCB and gschem; all the hotkeys and strange mouse controls. But Oh come on. I when I was an undergrad (which ended in May) my program insisted we all learn autocad with the funny hotkeys and that is a program that working in electronics I will likely never use. when I started, I understood these all have a reason, and the controls are optimized for smooth workflow. After the learning curve, using these bindings are really fast. However, windows users do not care about being fast. Really, it's not gEDA-specific. I remember the old, DOS versions of autocad. The same story there with the command line. Those who really The current version of autocad still uses all those funny keys but there are also menus you can use for the same thing. Funny but I think geda does the same thing. I have not checked all the hotkeys. learned using acad back then had one hand on keyboard, one hand on mouse. Selecting objects and sometimes coordinates done with mouse, actions done using the keyboard. When I got to learn autocad at the university again, it was already a windows version: right click and a menu pops up. This way only one hand works, and selecting the line tool or the perpendicular menu item takes much longer then typing l or perp. Of course there was a command line in the windows version as well, but noone bothered to use it, teachers didn't even teach the commands. I remember I tried to show some of my classmates how much faster using commands can be, but they were totally uninterested. For gEDA, I believe this is another blocker for windows users: it is optimized for speed (of use). Of course No it is a block to all users who want that speed. They could use the graphical menus if they wanted too. mouse bindings can be changed and I guess it's not a big deal to add context sensitive menus for the right click, but without these, windows users won't take it serious. Really, number of popups matter... - drive letters; they do want to name their hard disk c: and they find it more convenient to remember their usb pendrive as f: than to remember it as /mnt/pendrive. Even if drive letters are assigned in an In most GUI's now the mounted file systems come up with icons on the desktop. Since you really shouldn't work on files directly on a USB stick I don't see the problem with copying them when they are done in the GUI. This could all be solved
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA just hit SlashDotOrg (why live CD wouldn't work)
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Bob Paddockbob.padd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:30 PM, evan fossevanf...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:11 AM, igor2ig...@inno.bme.hu wrote: On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, evan foss wrote: You know the mechanical people have a livecd or I think it is dvd now. Perhaps we should have an electronics live disk of some kind? For a few semesters I was teaching gschem/pcb for undergrads. In the very first semester I tried with live cd (one I built myself) but it didn't work out as good as I expected... That is a group of people who didn't want to learn something new. I am not being anti windows, I just expect students to want to learn. Real men program in C was just posted on Embdded.com http://www.embedded.com/design/218600142 : I learned the quiche-like phrase assigns both a high difficulty factor to the C language and a certain age group to C programmers. Put simply, C was too hard for programmers of their [young] generation to bother mastering. The end is near. - command line; most of windows users believe if you need to type commands Most Windows users simply can't type at all. I've seen that far to often when I'm trying to teach one to use a program. :-( Seriously? Do they try to use the same tools for all tasks. The ones that are good with EMACS will. Especially with the new Butterfly command in 23.1. :-) Sorry as a VIM user I just don't agree. :) How many go home and sharpen pencils with a food processor? My onion dicier might work better at that task... LOL Oh come on. I when I was an undergrad (which ended in May) my program insisted we all learn autocad with the funny hotkeys and that is a program that working in electronics I will likely never use. AutoCAD is very valuable in electronics for the correct tasks, like board dimensions and footprints. True. When I was in school I thought I'd never need English, who cares what you end your sentences with [SIC]. Now years later I find Yes I know my grammer is frequently faulty. I'm writing publications for places like CDC/NIOSH, posting messages like this for many to read etc. Never Say Never. Fair enough. In most GUI's now the mounted file systems come up with icons on the desktop. Since you really shouldn't work on files directly on a USB stick I don't see the problem with copying them when they are done in the GUI. This could all be solved by making a live USB key with a fat32 partition to transfer files between windows and linux on. Booting a LiveCD of any flavor in some companies is grounds for getting fired. Its the IT way or the highway usually to the detriment of the company in the long term. See in the places I have worked it hasn't been an issue. Both organizations had the attitude that what ever you need or want to use for the job is what you should get. This is of course budget limited. I think most of your problems were user issues not usability issues. Blame the user doesn't really help in any issue. Ok. My attitude was wrong. Sorry guys. What's important is not that we can conceive the idea, but that when we actually test it on people you discover it doesn't work... your intuition is wrong. - Daniel M. Russell (IBM Almaden / Xerox PARC) There are published user guidelines for GUIs: User Experience: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/index.html http://developer.apple.com/ue/index.html Design Specifications and Guidelines - Visual Design: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms997619.aspx GNOME Human Interface Guidelines: http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject GNOME Human Interface Guidelines http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/ Those are from the wxWidgets reference I have at hand, I'm sure there are ones for QT and KDE and most others as well. John Dotty made a good point that if the windows users want it let one of them maintain it. I agree, and I've been the most vocal over the years here about it, and keep trying to get there. Alas like everyone else here we have day jobs and other commitments to keep us from doing what we would really like to be doing. This community exists because all of us wanted an open source EDA tool. If people really wanted a windows one then where are they? They are at KiCAD http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/ , http://www.freepcb.com/ note the links to TinyCAD for schematic, LTSpice for simulation, and OrCAD Demo (At one time there was a much older full package at the Yahoogroup I mentioned in the other message) http://www.freepcb.com/resources.htm , AutoTrax http://www.kov.com/ (seems to switch back and forth between open source and not open source over the years, not sure of the current state) I probably could go on without much effort. So then why do people still keep coming here demanding gEDA be more like those programs? be volunteering to help maintain a windows release. Maintaining
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA just hit SlashDotOrg
You know the mechanical people have a livecd or I think it is dvd now. Perhaps we should have an electronics live disk of some kind? On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Bob Paddockbob.padd...@gmail.com wrote: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/01/2114210/Cheap-Cross-Platform-Electronic-Circuit-Simulation-Software?from=rss Cheap, Cross-Platform Electronic Circuit Simulation Software? dv82 writes I teach circuits and electronics at the undergraduate level, and have been using the free student demo version of OrCad for schematic capture and simulation because (a) it comes with the textbook and (b) it's powerful enough for the job. Unfortunately OrCad runs only under Windows, and students increasingly are switching to Mac (and some Linux netbooks). Wine and its variants will not run OrCad, and I don't wish to require students to purchase Windows and run with a VM. The only production-quality cross-platform CAD tool I have found so far is McCad, but its demo version is so limited in total allowed nets that it can't even run a basic opamp circuit with a realistic 741 opamp model. gEDA is friendly to everything BUT Windows, and is nowhere near as refined as OrCad. I would like students to be able to run the software on their laptops without a network connection, which eliminates more options. Any suggestions? -- http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.unusualresearch.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: RFC: Towards a better symbol/package pin-mapping strategy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Stephan
Boettcherboettc...@physik.uni-kiel.de wrote:
Steven Michalske smichal...@gmail.com writes:
pick a small set of some chips you care about. lets say a large
family of the AVR series.
To the symbol:
Add a virtual pin attribute
Add the pin map file attribute.
pinmap=ATmega16.fpm
device=ATmega16
footprint=TQFP44_10
{
And then offer a GUI to select from the list of footprints within
gschem.
It would be so cool if you could call pcb to render the footprint in a
little window as a part of that GUI. This might make dependencies a
mess though.
Stephan
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Re: gEDA-user: Looking for PCB fab recommendations
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:02 AM, Michael Sokolovmsoko...@ivan.harhan.org wrote: Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: * SnPb finish - this one is an absolute requirement for ideological / philosophical reasons, RoHS crap is *not* acceptable. In the nicest possible way, WTF? RoHS is an evil abomination that is reprehensible to the core of my being. The whole underlying philosophy behind RoHS is that bad elements should be eliminated from electronic products because those products will ultimately be thrown out and put into landfill. I am fundamentally at odds with that ideology because I don't believe that any computing, communication or other electronics should *ever* be thrown out. The idea of buying a new computer every few years and tossing the old one out is fundamentally reprehensible to me. So you still use a PDP-8 or something for all your computing tasks? I also don't like RoHS being legally required because I feel it lets us off the hook for doing real recycling programs. I also dislike it because there are so many other chemicals in machines that are also toxic and can't be removed as yet. The thing is keeping all our old hardware for ever and never replacing/upgrading anything is unreasonable. Computing machinery should be passed through generations from father to son to grandson. I am using 1970s technology to compose this E-mail and I plan on continuing to use it well past 2038. I have a slide rule and a uP board from the 1960's that does not mean I have a use ether. The uP is an energy hog as all the older stuff is relative to what we have now. The lead-free crap suffers from the severe problem of tin whiskers. The I though they added some nickle to solve this. f***heads behind it don't care because they expect their crap to be thrown into trash long before tin whiskers grow, but it is a real problem This I totally agree on. for anyone who wants his electronic creations to outlast his own lifetime. I want my SDSL gadget to be usable to my great-great-great- great-grandchildren, so they can still connect their networks at 384 kbps even when everyone else around them has gone to exabits per second. I doubt there will be any ISP that supports 384 kbps service in 50 years. MS ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: geda for open hardware
The solution I always liked was making a simple live CD with the project documentation and all. This is not for distribution it is because about every 6 or 7 years I end up changing tools and can't find anything to read my old stuff. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM, KURT PETERSpetersk...@msn.com wrote: I've been thinking a bit about gEDA for open hardware lately, and have a few thoughts that I was wondering if people on the list would help me think through: 1) open hardware implies (to me anyways) that someone has produced a PCB and makes available the schematics, layout, symbols, footprints, and BOM. 2) The new user, wanting to modify the hardware, should be able to copy in a few extra components into the schematic and gsch2pcb back to pcb, but the previous layout shouldn't be changed at all, just a few extra components are available to be added. gsch2pcb already supports this pretty robustly. 3) the new user then places the new components and adds/modifies traces as necessary to get it to work. The question is, is there an approved solution for packaging all the necessary materials to ensure someone developing hardware can ensure the new user has everything they need to accomplish 1-3 above? I assume it would extract symbols and footprints and encapsulate the versions of PCB/Gschem used to create the PCB. I also assume that it should somehow distinguish between core symbols and footprints, and custom ones. Of course, then, the core ones would also need a version number, I suppose, in case they change. Thoughts??? Kurt ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf unstable/development snapshot 1.5.2-20090328 released!
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 21:33 -0400, evan foss wrote:
I have been using this release and I have a question. Did you guys
change the interpritation of gafrc? I keep loading a schematic and it
doesn't seem to render the symbols in the project directory properly.
Shouldn't have, but some scheme syntax for other things might have
changed. Depending on what else you have in there, it might be causing
problems. Anything unusual uin your log window, or gschem.log?
I am loading something I made back around version 1.4.0.
gschem.log is no longer dumped in the current working directory. You
will find one in $HOME/.gEDA/logs/gschem-{date}-{seqno}.log
Oh. I was kind of glazzing over the log. It was repeating a message
about missing pin seq=. I had a number of symbols for components
broken into parts.
So my lm339 was lm339-1-pt1.sym, lm339-1-pt2.sym, lm339-1-pt3.sym,
lm339-1-pt4.sym. I left them with identical pinseq attributes set.
What is funny is that gschem 1.4.0.20080127 reads the file correctly
even with the pinseq attributes wrong.
Sorry, I have to get out of my bad habbit of clicking that log window
off with out reading it.
Regards,
--
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Electrical Engineering Division,
Engineering Department,
University of Cambridge,
9, JJ Thomson Avenue,
Cambridge
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Re: gEDA-user: Putting holes in hard steel - was - Re: the joy and sadness of new boards
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:36 PM, andrewm andr...@thehacktory.com wrote: If anybody has a better idea, yelp. EDM ? Don't you aready need a hole to run the wire threw? Or are you just going to live with a very thin line cut threw to the hole? If your are going to spend EDM level money water jet would be better. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Putting holes in hard steel - was - Re: the joy and sadness of new boards
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net wrote: On Friday 03 April 2009, evan foss wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:36 PM, andrewm andr...@thehacktory.com wrote: If anybody has a better idea, yelp. EDM ? Don't you aready need a hole to run the wire threw? A hole for a wire through it? No. Or are you just going to live with a very thin line cut threw to the hole? If your are going to spend EDM level money water jet would be better. Drilling holes with EDM? Straight plunge cut/burn. Hole size determined by the electrode in this case. Only milling machine motion if I get the right electrode size is z, at about .001 a minute, which emc can manage nicely. I have everything but the right sized electrode on hand. Even some trash that needs burnt by tossing the used kerosene on it. :) Oh yea I was just thinking about wire edm not sink edm. Sorry. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It seems a little silly now, but this country was founded as a protest against taxation. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gschem Bus tutorial
Someone with rights on the wiki should add at least a link to that email there. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Paul Tan pt75...@aim.com wrote: Hi Ed, In general, current gEDA architecturally supports any kinds of BUS implementation. Specifically, current Gschem/Gnetlist Verilog netlister supports simple BUS, e.g., data_bus[31:0], etc., including true hierarchy. An example to demonstrate gEDA hiearchical Verilog design with bus has been posted: http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Jan-2009/msg00056.html However, most other backends, such as PCB, has not yet implemented BUS in netlisting. PCB Netlisting with BUS support can be implemented using similar strategy as Verilog Netlisting. In essence, the answer to your question depends on which backends tools you are using. Best Regards, Paul Tan -Original Message- From: Kingston Co. fred...@sb.net To: geda-user@moria.seul.org Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 5:47 pm Subject: gEDA-user: gschem Bus tutorial Is there a tutorial anywhere? I cannot find any detailed info on how to use this tool. Thanks, Ed Kingston Co. fred...@sb.net ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Branch.. now with less memory leakage!
Funny title On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Aside from the two minor leak fixes I just committed to the PCB GIT repository, there was a pretty horrendous leak of polygon contours introduced in the PCB+GL branch, which is now fixed. (Now I can do my DRC checks without hitting swap, or having to restart PCB after 4-5 runs!) For those using the PCB+GL branch, I suggest updating. before_pours is the branch you want, as usual. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: datasheet
NTE/ECG/Philips sells chips that are pin for pin replacements for a lot of things. The thing is that the part number they use frequently don't match what anyone else uses. I looked up your part number in a reference book from 1996 and got this Dual M/S J-K Flip-Flop 5MHz I have the pin out too if you need it. I know that it is DTL but you might be able to replace it with a TTL chip from the 7400 series. My reference only goes 1 way from everyone else stuff to ECG. Honestly until I got this message I was going to recycle the stupid book. I guess I have too keep it now. I have the pinout if you want it but not the data sheet. What I guess we should be asking is could you use a TTL chip say 7400 series as a replacement or would the fan in/out be an issue. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Dupre pd...@york.ac.uk wrote: Hello, Sorry, I am looking for the datasheet of an IC ECG9099. Because I did not find it on the internet, I am just asking if you have any idea where I could find it !! Thank -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry | | Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | | Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | | email: pd...@york.ac.uk == ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: datasheet
I looked up the NTE number NTE9099 and the best I could find was a scanned in copy of a later/earlier version of my book. http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-115/DSAP001035.pdf The version in my book has an actual schematic of the flip/flops laid out in the chip which looks prettier in my opinion. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:27 PM, evan foss evanf...@gmail.com wrote: NTE/ECG/Philips sells chips that are pin for pin replacements for a lot of things. The thing is that the part number they use frequently don't match what anyone else uses. I looked up your part number in a reference book from 1996 and got this Dual M/S J-K Flip-Flop 5MHz I have the pin out too if you need it. I know that it is DTL but you might be able to replace it with a TTL chip from the 7400 series. My reference only goes 1 way from everyone else stuff to ECG. Honestly until I got this message I was going to recycle the stupid book. I guess I have too keep it now. I have the pinout if you want it but not the data sheet. What I guess we should be asking is could you use a TTL chip say 7400 series as a replacement or would the fan in/out be an issue. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Dupre pd...@york.ac.uk wrote: Hello, Sorry, I am looking for the datasheet of an IC ECG9099. Because I did not find it on the internet, I am just asking if you have any idea where I could find it !! Thank -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry | | Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | | Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | | email: pd...@york.ac.uk == ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: OT: You-Blew-It Electronics (was: Re: Home PCB and Liquid Tin)
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Stuart Brorson s...@cloud9.net wrote: Apropos You-Blew-It Electronics, here's a link to those unfamiliar with this Boston institution: http://www.youdoitelectronics.com/ Ok I know their prices are significantly higher than mail order from almost everywhere but why is it You-Blew-It? I dunno exactly. But back when I was a feckless undergrad, that's what everybody called it. The name always gave me the picture of a geek who had assembled a circuit, flipped the power on, and the circuit immediately burned up. Ha ha -- you blew it! Well if the deadline is too close for mail order you get to go to you blew it. At least for me, it did not have the connotation of making a mistake about where you bought your stuff. There was nothing essentially I didn't take it that way. wrong with the place (unlike Radio Shaft), and the moniker You-Blew-It was intended solely to be jocular. While we are a little OT am I the only one who misses the days when they carried more components and fewer audio video cables. They are getting to much like radio shack. I agree. What I liked about the place back then was that it was what Radio Shaft should have been: A large store full of components and other stuff important to a real electronics geek. But now it's going the way of Radio Shaft, selling cables and other consumer-oriented junk. To be fair as I understand it Radio Shack was never the be all and end all. To be fair, there remains a largish -- but shrinking -- section of the store which still sells components. But the Radio-Shackification is probably happening because the number of hard-core EE hobbiests is shrinking (the disappearing ham radio segment itself accounts for a large part of that shrinkage), and the folks looking for components now get them via internet search and mail-order from the likes of Digi-Key. Well in the old days Radio Shack used to encourage young people to take up Ham Radio which lead people into being EEs. I remember around December the owner of the store in Natick used to operate his radio for kids in the center of the malls court yard. It was the 1980's and calling say Russia or Columbia was not something you could really do. I have to wonder if it happened the way you think with the Ham's and EEs going away messed up the electronics stores or if it was the other way around. You-Blew-It's retail operation remains a good place to go if it's Saturday afternoon, and you've realized that you absolutely need a 10K resistor right now, you can't scrounge one from anywhere in your workshop, and you don't want to wait a week for mail-order. I never understood why they stock 2% resistors. I can't speak for everyone but I usually use %5 and %1 until I started going there I didn't even know you could get them. Stuart Evan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Home PCB and Liquid Tin
Ok I know their prices are significantly higher than mail order from almost everywhere but why is it You-Blew-It? While we are a little OT am I the only one who misses the days when they carried more components and fewer audio video cables. They are getting to much like radio shack. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Rob Butts r.but...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I've heard it called you-blew-it. I get a chuckle every time I hear it. Thanks On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Stuart Brorson [1]...@cloud9.net wrote: I got mine from a place in Mass, but only because Ales offered to pick it up for me. IIRC Ales went to You-Do-It in Needham. Actually, we call it You-Blew-It Electronics :-) Stuart ___ geda-user mailing list [2]geda-u...@moria.seul.org [3]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. mailto:s...@cloud9.net 2. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 3. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Digilent USB-JTAG and Lattice
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Eric Winsor e...@winsor.us wrote: I have been using the Digilent USB-JTAG cable to program Xilinx devices and now am working with some Lattice CPLDs in a new project. Does anyone know of some JTAG programming software that will recognize the Digilent USB-JTAG cable and allow me to program Lattice parts? Ask the UR JTAG people http://urjtag.org/ Eric Winsor ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: fyi: program to enter spreadsheet contents into a Digi-Key web-order
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Steven Michalske smichal...@gmail.com wrote: might add a delay to the add action make it like a human is entering them :-P I don't think Digikey cares how you are ordering. hardkrash On Feb 13, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Tim Hanson wrote: Hi All, I wrote this script yesterday as I needed to enter ~200 parts into Digikey, and didn't want to make any mistakes. It reads in a CSV file, establishes a TCP connection with the Digikey ordering web server, and repeatedly POSTs the quantities in your spreadsheet onto the active server pages. If the minimum quantities are not met for any of your items, it will first guess the next multiple of 10, and if that does not work, it will ask you for the quantity. Digikey's webserver occasionally balks under the torrent of POST and GETs, in which case you'll have to kill the script, start a new web order, and try again. hope this is useful to someone other than myself. Tim -- source: http://code.google.com/p/kicadocaml/source/browse/trunk/scripts/digikeyweborder.ml makefile: http://code.google.com/p/kicadocaml/source/browse/trunk/scripts/Makefile readme: http://code.google.com/p/kicadocaml/source/browse/trunk/scripts/README ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: What is the logic in gnetlist/spice-sdb when to add a 'X' prefix to an identifier?
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: On Sunday 08 February 2009, Christoph Lechner wrote: How can it know? Well, I thought: maybe there's some attribute dedicated to this case ... The Spice netlister is loaded with special cases, because the Spice syntax is loaded with special cases. I recommend that you add the X on the schematic. Doesn't the netlister just pass the label through? Not really. If I call the diode XD108, the netlister calls it DXD108. *%^(*^Z^^^(^%((% Like I say This is one of the reasons that those in the know are pressuring for a shift away from the Spice format. Wouldn't it be a work-around to call the diode U108? I'll try that. No. Then you will get DU108. How about a plugin for gschem. It user would flag parts on a schematic as using subcircuits. There should be a script to go threw and slap an X before the refdes name or remove them at will? On Sunday 08 February 2009, al davis wrote: I have been thinking of changing it to ignore the letter when the model name gives enough information to determine the type. That does it .. I guess the only sane thing to do is to make the change. It really makes it easier to ignore the letter, considering plugin conflicts. It is really worse than it looks on the surface. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Clipboard support in gschem
Great work. On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk wrote: Hi everyone, The unstable version of gschem now supports copying and pasting schematic data within and between gschem instances using the X clipboard (or the Windows clipboard on Windows). This feature will be available in 1.5.2. Peter -- Peter Brett Electronic Systems Engineer Integral Informatics Ltd ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Wish list for gschem
On 1/3/09, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Actually, no; ^C per se is not supposed to do anything. It just happens to be probably the commonest setting of c_cc[VINTR]; The above is *not* true (or even relevent) in a GUI environment. It's only true and relevent when an application is running inder the pervue of the termio subsystem, which is *not* the case for gschem, which is what we're talking about. Ok I think I have some reading to do. Ctrl-C is the standard copy command, most GUI standards require it be implemented as such. A good example of why I can't stand most GUIs. I won't deny your personal preference, but please don't confuse the common user who *does* normally use most GUIs. In the common environment, Ctrl-C is normally defined to be a copy operation. The details behind that are irrelevent, as are the details of termio environments. The thing is I normally call gschem from a terminal and switch between the two so to reduce the likely hood of killing a process I need I generally try to relocate a few specific key combination encase I type the right command in the wrong window. In any event what is wrong with the way it copies now? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT] MIT Flea
On 9/23/08, John Luciani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:50 AM, David C. Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of evan foss Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:55 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: [OT] MIT Flea ... On behalf of the Bostonians on the list let me say thanks for your contribution to the Big Pig er.. I mean Big Dig ;-) Good one. I still want to know who looks at a multi ton concrete panel with a bolt and thinks lets glue this. A contractor looking to increase his profit margin. Yea nuts are expensive. The other day I needed as stainless steel one that cost a whole dollar. So much more than a life or lawsuit are worth. Keep in mind that embedding the nuts in the concrete tunnel wall so that they were in the correct spot to hang the panels from would be VERY labor-intensive. What I really don't understand is why the suspended panels needed to be concrete at all? Wouldn't something much lighter like fiberglass work just as well? IIRC these were originally specified as aluminum panels but were changed to concrete for cost savings. I had wondered about that. (* jcl *) -- http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT] MIT Flea
On 9/22/08, John Luciani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Dave N6NZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Just seeing what happens to all those taxes that we send out East...) It's not all for museums --- On behalf of the Bostonians on the list let me say thanks for your contribution to the Big Pig er.. I mean Big Dig ;-) Good one. I still want to know who looks at a multi ton concrete panel with a bolt and thinks lets glue this. I guess nuts are out of fashion?!? (* jcl *) -- http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT] MIT Flea
On 9/22/08, Dave McGuire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 3:12 PM, evan foss wrote: (Just seeing what happens to all those taxes that we send out East...) It's not all for museums --- The last time I was in the Boston Science Museum with my cousin I could not help but notice that a lot of the hands on stuff was replaced by things behind glass or a computerized touch screen. There were a lot of corporate logos on everything too. One was set up as the computers as a screensaver. I know in the old days Polaroid would donate a wing but that was so much less offensive than what I saw there. On behalf of the Bostonians on the list let me say thanks for your contribution to the Big Pig er.. I mean Big Dig ;-) Good one. I still want to know who looks at a multi ton concrete panel with a bolt and thinks lets glue this. A contractor looking to increase his profit margin. Yea nuts are expensive. The other day I needed as stainless steel one that cost a whole dollar. So much more than a life or lawsuit are worth. I guess nuts are out of fashion?!? Nope...honest work for honest pay is out of fashion, at least in the US. Gee I have not noticed I was too busy watching the investing crisis news. Sorry for being so negative about this it was just so appalling the way that whole thing happened and mishandled. -Dave -Evan -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT] MIT Flea
I think that is a gyroscope. Those things connecting the rings are likely resolvers or encoders of some kind. On 9/21/08, Stuart Brorson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pictures I took at today's MIT Flea Market are at http://tinyurl.com/44mpwq Enigma machines, an Arp Quartet, free advice and a chainsaw. Interestingly, I biked by the Flea at about 7:30am this morning. I was on my way to the Hub on Wheels Boston-wide bike ride with my buddy. We stopped at the flea and looked over the bushes to see what was on sale. We didn't go in because it was before opening time. Also, I don't need more electronic junk in my basement. ;-) But I did see this strange contraption from the street: http://www.luciani.org/photos/pic1/2008-09-21-mit-flea/IMG_1612.JPG Do you have any idea what it is? Stuart ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT] MIT Flea
On 9/21/08, Steve Morss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Luciani wrote: Pictures I took at today's MIT Flea Market are at http://tinyurl.com/44mpwq Enigma machines, an Arp Quartet, free advice and a chainsaw. Pictures of the MIT Gehry building are at the bottom of the page. (* jcl *) You think those Enigma machines are real? They are pretty historic (and probably aren't too many of them). I though they were reproductions. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: free-open workarounds similar to SolidWorks
On 9/6/08, John Griessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Butts wrote: Hey John, I spoke to a local vocational high school's drafting department who couldn't wait to get their hands on this project. I gave them the measurements of my backrest and they are running with this. It gives their students a chance to work on a real project, to help the disabled and to use the more advanced features of their software. I couldn't beat the pice since it's free! Oh. That's just free as in beer, not freedom. I just have to wonder aloud what would happen if someone made a beer that was actually open sourced. Stallman would have to make a new saying to avoid confusion. It's sad you didn't try out ideas here before sending that expensive first job to the machining job shop. And besides us, there are plenty of artist machinists you could talk with about fabbing one off shapes, they're just on different lists related to emc2, small milling machines, etc. JG ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf 1.4.0 and pcb 20080202 marked stable for Gentoo-Linux
I would do an -pv just to check the USE flags. On 4/12/08, Stefan Salewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gEDA/gaf 1.4.0 and pcb 20080202 are marked stable now in Gentoo-Linux (for x86, amd64, ppc and sparc). So for installation all you have to do is: emerge geda emerge pcb ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Spice files
The copyright is from the vendors not cadence. I am not a lawyer but that would seem to mean that they don't want anyone to copy the content they have there and redistribute it. They probably worked out agreements with the vendors there to put all there content on one page. I think you just have to make it clear that the download script is just a script and while it is covered by the GPL the content it downloads is not. It also should be made clear that it downloads the content from vendor XYZ and that their license is used. On 4/7/08, Kai-Martin Knaak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:17:20 -0400, Karl Edler wrote: After a little poking around I found the following website full of SPICE models: http://www.cadence.com/products/orcad/downloads/pspice_models/index.aspx It might be worth a look. Two questions spring to my mind: 1) are these models compatible to gnucap and/or ngspice? 2) what about the copyright? The terms of use the website footer says: /--http://www.cadence.com/terms.aspx section 2.1 The material you are downloading is copyrighted by Cadence Design Systems, Inc. and its licensors. All rights reserved. This work may not be copied, modified, re-published, uploaded, executed, or distributed in any way, in any medium, whether in whole or in part except pursuant to express license terms agreed upon by Cadence and you. \-- I am not fluent in legalese, but this does not seem to prevent the distribution of a download script... Just my two cents. ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de GPG key:http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmkop=get ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gerbv with OpenGL
On Dec 3, 2007 1:24 PM, Dave McGuire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Can you import VRML into mechanical CAD? My CAD application, varicad, can't. Varicad seems to be the only serious 3D-CAD available for linux. I would be nice, if pcb could talk to it. I'd call BRLCAD pretty serious. I wonder if the STL file format is appropriate for this application. I have the specs for both versions of STL here. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL Farewell Ophelia, 9/22/1991 - 7/25/2007 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user Oops. That will teach me to comment before reading the whole thing. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gerbv with OpenGL
On Dec 3, 2007 9:39 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:50:30 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Can you import VRML into mechanical CAD? My CAD application, varicad, can't. Varicad seems to be the only serious 3D-CAD available for linux. I would be nice, if pcb could talk to it. What about brlcad? It has been in development for decades on Unix and now quite a while on Linux. http://my.brlcad.org/ I had good import/export success with the step format (ISO 103030). IGES should work too. ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de GPG key:http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmkop=get -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gerbv with OpenGL
On Dec 2, 2007 7:40 PM, Peter Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 15:10 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Here is another teaser.. http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda/gerbv_translucent.png And another... This is getting less useful, but more pretty.. http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda/gerbv_GL.png This uses Cairo to render into a memory buffer, and then we use that on a GL context created with GtkGLExt. This allows 3D perspective views (if we want), and potentially introduces a way to bypass slow rendering. Whilst zooming (in at least), it is possible to use the same textures, letting OpenGL zoom right in, and then redraw the texture at this resolution (I've not tried to implement this yet, I'm just rendering at reasonable resolution once, then using that). This isn't so helpful with zooming out unfortunately, as we don't particularly want to cache a texture of the whole board at very fine resolution. I mainly knocked this up to play with some OpenGL coding, and as a test for a 3D SpaceNavigator joystick (6 axis, used for navigating 3D objects / worlds). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) That is simply COOL. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gerbv with OpenGL
Do you have the option of disabling the opengl code at run time if you want or is it compiled in? -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gerbv with OpenGL
On Dec 2, 2007 9:47 PM, Peter Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 20:42 -0500, evan foss wrote: Do you have the option of disabling the opengl code at run time if you want or is it compiled in? Not only is it compiled in, the board size is hard-coded. (Its a demo so far..) I wanted to see how fast it might work with different rendering schemes. I'd have posted code if it wasn't full of _evil_ hacks at the moment. Once I've a better feel for the direction this might go in, I can tidy up the code and make it useful. Surprisingly, it wouldn't be too hard to switch out the GL code if desired. You just replace some setup code, and bits of the expose, configure and realize handlers for the drawing area. The one rendering method which I wanted to try out (but haven't had satisfactory results from yet) is using the cairo-glitz backend to make cairo-calls do native OpenGL things. It was even slower than native Cairo when I tried... felt like it must have been hitting loads of software fallbacks in mesa. Whether the 3D has any useful purpose other than looking bling and to help me learn little GL programming, is debatable. Still.. many packages can / do provide 3D board views.. I'm just not sure if gerbv is the right place for it. Best wishes, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Ok just curious thanks. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gschem: is guile regex module important?
On 11/18/07, Peter TB Brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 18 November 2007 22:52:14 evan foss wrote: Try flipping a pin horizontally with out it. On my box that terminates gschem. I had to recompile guile with it a few days ago. This probably needs to be fixed, then. Fancy filing a bug? ;P I just figured it was a dependency. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gschem: is guile regex module important?
Try flipping a pin horizontally with out it. On my box that terminates gschem. I had to recompile guile with it a few days ago. On Nov 18, 2007 6:44 PM, Stefan Salewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, last update of my Gentoo-Linux installed a new version of guile (version 1.8.2): Rebuild of gEDA was necessary (detected by revdep-rebuild) If I launch gschem now, I get this message: Your Guile installation doesn't provide the regex module. Before I rebuild guille and geda again with regex support (local regex useflag for guile): How important/useful is the regex functionality? Best regards Stefan Salewski ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: ngspice simulation with microcontrollers
On 9/26/07, John Griessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Doty wrote: . Wouldn't it be nice to be able to use a model of some of the micro's inouts that is 2-way connected with a math model in Mathomatic, Octave, Mathematica? For modeling some DSP being done with the HW multiply in a MSP430 for instance. Wouldn't that make the simulation really slow? -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: buzzing board
Ok, here's a random thought. What if the hotplate reflow delaminated one of the layers? You'd still need a cause, but it would make the cause's minimum size smaller. Of course, there's no *visible* effect on the pcb from the hotplate, not even a mild yellowing on the back. How good is the temp. control on your oven? I am not saying this is imposable just unlikely. More likely is that you added capacitance when you went from a bread board to the PCB or that interference that was physically more spread out got closer when you made the PCB layout. I notice the CPU is socketed could you please try powering up the board without it. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: buzzing board
Not to be insulting but is the speaker connected? -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: buzzing board
What kind of alarm does your alarm clock use? -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: buzzing board
I have had audio amplifiers and large transistors in general buzz on their own. Are you sure it is really on standby? -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)
Why is the 2nd bad? Suppose one of those wires got close but you didnt' connect that last grid space? Suppose you fax the schematic to someone and it is hard to tell solder dots or no solder dots? Suppose some older CAD tool you once used had a bug and didn't always include all 4 nets. (ok, so I'll admit the last one has introduced a bit of superstition in my opinion). -Dan Not being able to see unconnected lines is a flaw in my opinion. The box at the end of an unconnected line should simply be larger than the solder dots. I know this is just an aesthetic thing that is irrelevant to the actual use of the software so I shouldn't really care. Some how it still bothers me though. It is like the fact that I can't get an omega symbol after a resistors value. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)
[snip] it still bothers me though. It is like the fact that I can't get an omega symbol after a resistors value. I just checked in an upper case omega font file into CVS that I've had sitting around for a while along with the magic to make it work. However, I haven't confirmed that omegas show up in the postscript (postscript output seems to be doing the right thing (thanks to all the effort that MikeJ put into it), but I don't have Omegagreek in my gs font it seems). CTRL-SHIFT-3A9 will input one (at least on my box) into a gtk entry. Thank you so much. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Page contents browser
On 4/6/07, Peter Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 00:22 -0400, evan foss wrote: That is so cool. I can't wait to see it with say tabs. Thanks. I just posted another example - with an idea of how buses might be represented. (This takes buses further than their current, graphical existence) Well you could have a sub group with the buses name containing all the buses nets. What views / information could / should be presented in this browser? (Are there any other types of object we need to see listed? - I know I missed buses - should these come under nets? I might suggest that it also have the ability to search for a given object or value in the tree. Like a filter, or a search. This is possible. What would be really really cool but very hard would be to add a search with connection or relative location to another. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this, but if it is along the lines of searching for a resistor connected to this object, that could be useful. I'm not sure how the user would specify the search though. You know I don't remember what I meant now that I think about it. (it was 1AM when I wrote that. Sorry) I would also add further subcategories because I can see that getting very cluttered. For a large digital design it would be nice to group all the 0.1uF caps. It gets difficult to solve all cases. Grouping by component, e.g. collecting all components using resistor-2.sym, or capacitor-1.sym, could be a start. I'm not sure about automatically grouping things by part number, or value. Grouping could be customisable by plug-in, but it would be much more complex to implement. You are probably correct. Is this useful to real users - or just as a test of libgeda hooking? (This will determine how much effort is put into polishing it) I would use it but I would like to be able to turn it off when dealing with subcircuit blocks. I never get that complex. Turn off what- the grouping? No, the whole window you added. Should sub-circuits expand hierarchically in the browser? (My instinct is no for now. I agree that would lead to a real mess and defeat the purpose of having subcircuits. They exist so you can just deal with larger blocks. The 3D-Cad package I occasionally use can expand sub-components. I'm not sure how well it would work with schematics though - and its certainly simpler to code without the expansion. I suspect that like all other things in software you will write it, use it and realize that some minor things bug you enough to warrant changing them. Thinking a head is never a complete substitute for user feed back. What cad package do you use? Thanks for the comments, Thanks for listening. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Page contents browser
That is so cool. I can't wait to see it with say tabs. On 4/5/07, Peter Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm playing with producing a page tree to operate with libgeda / gschem, so the hierarchy or content of a page can be seen easily. In addition to being nice, it allows certain data-structures to be visualised (ensuring they are correct), and is a nice test-case for hooking libgeda to update a window as design modifications take place. A preliminary screen shot is at: http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda/geda_page_contents.png (The contents of the tree shown is a mock-up). Double-clicking on items in the page tree should open them - and perhaps there could be a right click menu too - with more options. Clicking on a net-name should highlight all the connected pieces on the page. Very impressive. Some annotation needs to be added to components - so you can see if they are embedded or not. Questions: What views / information could / should be presented in this browser? (Are there any other types of object we need to see listed? - I know I missed buses - should these come under nets? I might suggest that it also have the ability to search for a given object or value in the tree. What would be really really cool but very hard would be to add a search with connection or relative location to another. I would also add further subcategories because I can see that getting very cluttered. For a large digital design it would be nice to group all the 0.1uF caps. Is this useful to real users - or just as a test of libgeda hooking? (This will determine how much effort is put into polishing it) I would use it but I would like to be able to turn it off when dealing with subcircuit blocks. I never get that complex. Should sub-circuits expand hierarchically in the browser? (My instinct is no for now. I agree that would lead to a real mess and defeat the purpose of having subcircuits. They exist so you can just deal with larger blocks. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Multiple open pages in gschem
I don't think that is cluttered at all. I typically end up with multiple gschem windows open any way, this is less cluttered. I just have one question how do you open and close the tabs. Is it like firefox (right click). -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Multiple open pages in gschem
I like the tabs. They would be just as useful if in a toolbar section. They will cause less clutter there than as a separate PageManager window... I thought the point was to reduce the number of windows you have open. I suppose you could make it user selectable but that would add complexity. Just making tabs work should be complex enough for now. Granted I say this as a person who has yet to write any code for this project. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Multiple open pages in gschem
On 4/3/07, Karl. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, my Firefox has a close tab button on the right of each tab. That seems to be very effective. Middle-clicking on the tab is a faster way to close it, if you know that trick - it's faster because you only have to aim for the tab (not the little cross inside the tab). I'm not sure if Firefox allows you to turn off the little cross, but other browsers (eg. Opera) do. I like the keybindings ctrl-w to close a tab, ctrl-t to open and ctrl-n for a new window. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Some Linux distros to consider
I used to use SuSE 9.0 on a PII but that failed eventually. (HDD crash) SuSE is good for starters but 9.0 wouldn't build later versions of gEDA for some reason. (that might have been related to the HDD problem) I used SuSE starting on version 6.3 and stayed until 9.2. I am currently on gentoo. I agree it is not for beginners but if you follow their directions it works really well. Well enough to justify the initial frustration of figuring out all the nuts and bolts of things SuSE did automatically. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: Windows install
Hello, I used to run the last gEDA release on my Pentium II with 64MB of RAM. I compiled from scratch. If you can run [EMAIL PROTECTED] gEDA should work. The problem(s) you might have as a newbie are all dependency related. At least that was what bothered me. -- http://www.coe.neu.edu/~efoss/ http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Pointer to 3d CAD?
I have not tried it but if you look at http://ftp.brlcad.org/VolumeIV-Converting_Geometry.pdf it talks about STL file. STL Import and Export according to page 18. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Vericad?
Have you looked at brl-cad or qcad. BRL-Cad is nice but I don't know what state the DXF output is in. It is however free so it can't hurt to try. QCad has DXF but I have had issues with it in the past. You might want to check with some of the Linux-CNC people. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
