[Gendergap] Wikimedia and revenge porn

[Chris Keating]

I wondered if anyone knew of a case where any of our projects had been
involved in a "revenge porn" incident - I.e. someone maliciously uploading
and publicising pornographic pictures to control and humiliate someone else
(most frequently an ex - girlfriend).

I ask because someone I know is going through this kind of abuse.  at
present, and that's reminded me this is a growing problem and area of
media/political interest.

Thanks,

Chris
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] She must be Wiki editathon - nice write up

[Chris Keating]

Here's a write-up of a recent Wikimedia UK-supported event which you might
find interesting.

I was one of the trainers for the event and I found it was particularly
interesting working with a group of feminists who'd decided the coverage of
a particular area on Wikipedia wasn't good enough and were on a bit of a
mission to change it

Chris



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From: Stevie Benton 
Date: Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:19 AM
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] She must be Wiki editathon - nice write up
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 


Hello everyone,

I've just come across a good blog post about last week's "She must be Wiki
"
editathon about feminist film. Sounds like everyone enjoyed the event, but
that some of the content they created fell a little foul of notability
guidelines.

The blog post is here -
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2014/08/ICA_feminist_Wiki-a-thon

Thank you to the trainers who helped out on the day (the event page says
EdwardX and LoopZilla) - it sounds like they are enthused enough to have
another event, so well done everyone involved.

Stevie

PS if any editors feel like helping them with their notability issues, then
I am sure it would be very welcome!

-- 

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Re: [Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like

[Chris Keating]

>
> Hopefully they aren't proposing a standard tougher than than on all the
> other mailing lists, none of which I personally belong to.
>


Oddly enough I've just made that point on-wiki. (Before I'd properly read
your email!)

That said I *do* think this list could do with more active moderation. (The
same is true of many other lists but I think this list when working well
has higher value, and because it's a smaller, more focused list such
moderation is more likely to happen).

Chris



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[Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries

[Chris Keating]

Don't know if this has been floated before - apologies if so - but:

Part of the problem we have is the sheer depth of ignorance among otherwise
well-intentioned community members.

This depth of ignorance is naturally shared by the people who play
leadership roles in the community. So we end up with stewards, arbitrators
and bureaucrats who potentially end up reinforcing the gender gap problem
because they just have no clue how the structure they maintain can
sometimes be a tool to exclude people.

How about offering some form of diversity training to functionaries to help
broaden perspectives and raise understanding? Obviously, from the point of
view of supporting them to do their difficult and fairly thankless roles
better, rather than beating them with diversity sticks.

It could happen (indeed, WMF could make it happen with some volunteer
input); could it help?

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Re: [Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like

[Chris Keating]

This is also part of the problem - we have "helpful" contributions from
people like Reguyla / Kumioko who is basically here to complain about how
awful Arbcom are. Some months ago he was engaged in a campaign of personal
abuse against arbitrators which to be frank is exactly the kind of thing
that drives people away from those positions.
On 12 Dec 2014 17:38, "regu...@gmail.com"  wrote:

>  Its not surprising that the arbcom would not like comments and be
> critical of a venue they do not control and cannot themselves silence
> critical comments about their decisions. I finf it unfortunate that an arb
> doesnt want to join the mailing list merely because some people here do not
> share the view that the arbcoms decisions are not all gold.
>
>
>
> I do agree that there were some comments that are off topic but thats true
> of all the lists, not just this one.
>
>
>
> In the end, to me, if the arbs decide not to join this list because they
> fear discussion, then we probably dont need them anyway and if they are
> unwilling to listen or discuss issues pertaining to the project, including
> poor decisions made by them, then that makes my thought process all the
> more true.
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original message--
>
> *From: *Carol Moore dc
>
> *Date: *Fri, Dec 12, 2014 11:20 AM
>
> *To: *Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects;
>
> *Subject:*[Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=637703278&oldid=637701678
> Is a comment by an Arbitrator about things written last month or so here,
> none by me, they don't like.
>
> Thinks it's necessary "the moderators get a grip on some of the things
> being said there." (Moderator comments welcome here for guidance.)
>
> *https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-November/004930.html
>
> "a posting about legal repercussions"
>
> *https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005008.html
>
> "suggesting doxxing/opposition research"
>
> *https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005068.html
> "plans" to
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005079.html
> "block vote at ArbCom elections with new editors recruited at editathons."
>  (actually just a suggestion by an annoyed editor)
>
> Hopefully they aren't proposing a standard tougher than than on all the
> other mailing lists, none of which I personally belong to.
>
> CM
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like

[Chris Keating]

The best way for you to help the goals of this list is for you to leave it.
On 12 Dec 2014 19:04, "Reguyla"  wrote:

> I'm not sure how I became the bad guy here just because I think there is a
> problem with civility and bias that needs to be addressed on Wikipedia.
> Personally Chris, I don't think your comments directed at me are
> particularly helpful to the goals of this list either. I wasn't the one
> that voted 2 women out of the project and left a man that has a years long
> history of abuse and multiple trips to the Arbcom on the site (and BTW I
> say that as someone who isn't the least bit bothered by Eric). That was
> Arbcom. But if you think that I somehow have negatively influenced anything
> by participating in this list, then please explain that to me. Because I
> for one would like to see Wikipedia change to be more inviting to all
> editors, and treat all editors fairly, unlike the current status of things
> on the project now.
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Chris Keating  > wrote:
>>
>> This is also part of the problem - we have "helpful" contributions from
>> people like Reguyla / Kumioko who is basically here to complain about how
>> awful Arbcom are. Some months ago he was engaged in a campaign of personal
>> abuse against arbitrators which to be frank is exactly the kind of thing
>> that drives people away from those positions.
>> On 12 Dec 2014 17:38, "regu...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>>
>>>  Its not surprising that the arbcom would not like comments and be
>>> critical of a venue they do not control and cannot themselves silence
>>> critical comments about their decisions. I finf it unfortunate that an arb
>>> doesnt want to join the mailing list merely because some people here do not
>>> share the view that the arbcoms decisions are not all gold.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do agree that there were some comments that are off topic but thats
>>> true of all the lists, not just this one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the end, to me, if the arbs decide not to join this list because they
>>> fear discussion, then we probably dont need them anyway and if they are
>>> unwilling to listen or discuss issues pertaining to the project, including
>>> poor decisions made by them, then that makes my thought process all the
>>> more true.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original message--
>>>
>>> *From: *Carol Moore dc
>>>
>>> *Date: *Fri, Dec 12, 2014 11:20 AM
>>>
>>> *To: *Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects;
>>>
>>> *Subject:*[Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=637703278&oldid=637701678
>>> Is a comment by an Arbitrator about things written last month or so
>>> here, none by me, they don't like.
>>>
>>> Thinks it's necessary "the moderators get a grip on some of the things
>>> being said there." (Moderator comments welcome here for guidance.)
>>>
>>> *https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-November/004930.html
>>>
>>> "a posting about legal repercussions"
>>>
>>> *https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005008.html
>>>
>>> "suggesting doxxing/opposition research"
>>>
>>> *
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005068.html
>>> "plans" to
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005079.html
>>> "block vote at ArbCom elections with new editors recruited at editathons."
>>>  (actually just a suggestion by an annoyed editor)
>>>
>>> Hopefully they aren't proposing a standard tougher than than on all the
>>> other mailing lists, none of which I personally belong to.
>>>
>>> CM
>>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries

[Chris Keating]

I've added myself to the list of interested people :)

Thinking out loud, would that kind of thing work in person at the Wikimedia
Conference and/or Wikimania?
On 12 Dec 2014 19:33, "Siko Bouterse"  wrote:

> Along similar lines, this pilot training has been suggested for admins:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Gender-gap_admin_training
>
> And The Ada Initiative said they were interested in providing training for
> such a pilot. WMF grantmakers like myself would be pleased to see something
> like this develop into a proposal, if folks felt it was worth trying.
>
> It might make sense to pilot at the admin level before focusing on
> functionaries like stewards, because admins have more day-to-day
> interactions with individual editors (and thus more opportunities to
> facilitate an on-wiki environment that supports diversity).
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Reguyla  wrote:
>
>> I think this might be a good idea but it would be pretty hard to
>> implement and I think, unnecessary. Most of the functionaries got to where
>> they are because they have a calm demeanor and generally are fair in how
>> they treat others. Additionally, its not usually the functionaries who are
>> the problem. So without requiring the editors to perform the diversity
>> training, I'm not sure how much it would help.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Chris Keating <
>> chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't know if this has been floated before - apologies if so - but:
>>>
>>> Part of the problem we have is the sheer depth of ignorance among
>>> otherwise well-intentioned community members.
>>>
>>> This depth of ignorance is naturally shared by the people who play
>>> leadership roles in the community. So we end up with stewards, arbitrators
>>> and bureaucrats who potentially end up reinforcing the gender gap problem
>>> because they just have no clue how the structure they maintain can
>>> sometimes be a tool to exclude people.
>>>
>>> How about offering some form of diversity training to functionaries to
>>> help broaden perspectives and raise understanding? Obviously, from the
>>> point of view of supporting them to do their difficult and fairly thankless
>>> roles better, rather than beating them with diversity sticks.
>>>
>>> It could happen (indeed, WMF could make it happen with some volunteer
>>> input); could it help?
>>>
>>> Chris
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Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries

[Chris Keating]

Hi Christina - this sounds very interesting - would you be happy for me to
propose it as a possible topic in the Wikimedia Conference, for which I'm
on the programme committee?

Chris

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Christina Burger <
christina.bur...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Please allow me to briefly introduce myself before coming to the
> point: I am Christina Dinar and I work at Wikimedia Deutschland for
> 1,5 years now. Originally, I was employed to take care of community
> projects that address newbies and enhance the diversity in Wikipedia
> as well other Wikimedia projects. I came with the professional
> background of doing workshops with young adults in political
> education, doing diversity trainings in order to address some of their
> existing social and violent behavioral problems with each other.
> Somehow it never got to that moment that I could actually offer this
> knowledge and experience to the German Wikipedia Community–my
> professional focus here shifted and I started to work in other fields.
>
> Coming from this background, I could definitely offer a diversity
> workshop at Wikimania, for functionaries as well as on the level of
> introduction as a train-the-trainer. We even have developed diversity
> guidelines (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charting_diversity), that
> theoretically frame the approach on diversity to the specifics of the
> Wikimedia world. If I get some positive feedback on offering this
> workshop at Wikimania–ideally not alone but with another interested
> person–I am not sure what the best way to proceed is: Wait for the
> submission process, or get in touch with the organizers to ask for a
> room and time for this special workshop (as others did in the past)?
>
> I had drafted a proposal for our diversity conference back in 2013
> that we could use and build upon - (it was very general at that time,
> today I would address more the specfics of WM-movements..):
>
> Diversity? Deal with it! – Diversity as a concept has long development
> in management and especially in human ressource management in order to
> practically deal with diversity of people coming and working together
> from different backrounds and levels of knowledge. This 45-min lasting
> workshop you will actively engage in situations what actually to do
> and how possibly to act when divers and different opinions, people and
> backgrounds and communication cultures come together. Different
> strategies will be developed within the group participants leaving
> them with set of tools and strategies how to deal with diversity in
> real life and the online world.
>
> I am very much looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
>
> Warmly,
> Christina
>
> Christina Dinar
> Team Communitys
>
> Volunteer Support
>
>
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> Tel. (030) 219 158 260
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> http://wikimedia.de
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> unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
>
>
> 2014-12-14 23:06 GMT+01:00 Jim Hayes :
>
>> yes, training could work at wikimania
>>
>> the education foundation and eval. folks had seminars during hackathon,
>> and a track at London
>> https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme
>>
>> what would a required list of HR, managment seminars look like?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Chris Keating <
>> chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've added myself to the list of interested people :)
>>>
>>> Thinking out loud, would that kind of thing work in person at the
>>> Wikimedia Conference and/or Wikimania?
>>> On 12 Dec 2014 19:33, "Siko Bouterse"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Along similar lines, this pilot training has been suggested for admins:
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Gender-gap_admin_training
>>>>
>>>> And The Ada Initiative said they were interested in providing training
>>>> for such a pilot. WMF grantmakers like myself would be pleased to see
>>>> something like this develop into a proposal, if folks felt it was worth
>>>> trying.
>>>>
>>>> It might make sense to pilot at the admin level before focusing on
>>>> functionaries like stewards, because admins have more day-to-day
>>>> interactions with individual editors (and thus more opportunities to
>>>> facilitate an on-w

Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries

[Chris Keating]

I don't think you were on the Wikimedia Conference programme committee,
Sarah - that's the one I was referring to...

Wikimania is a different kettle of fish - ideally we'd have something at
both :)

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sarah Stierch 
wrote:
>
> It's a good idea - I'm also on the programme committee (or at least, I
> have been the past three years..haven't heard any details on the upcoming
> Wikimania yet).
>
> -Sarah
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Chris Keating  > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Christina - this sounds very interesting - would you be happy for me
>> to propose it as a possible topic in the Wikimedia Conference, for which
>> I'm on the programme committee?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Christina Burger <
>> christina.bur...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Please allow me to briefly introduce myself before coming to the
>>> point: I am Christina Dinar and I work at Wikimedia Deutschland for
>>> 1,5 years now. Originally, I was employed to take care of community
>>> projects that address newbies and enhance the diversity in Wikipedia
>>> as well other Wikimedia projects. I came with the professional
>>> background of doing workshops with young adults in political
>>> education, doing diversity trainings in order to address some of their
>>> existing social and violent behavioral problems with each other.
>>> Somehow it never got to that moment that I could actually offer this
>>> knowledge and experience to the German Wikipedia Community–my
>>> professional focus here shifted and I started to work in other fields.
>>>
>>> Coming from this background, I could definitely offer a diversity
>>> workshop at Wikimania, for functionaries as well as on the level of
>>> introduction as a train-the-trainer. We even have developed diversity
>>> guidelines (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charting_diversity), that
>>> theoretically frame the approach on diversity to the specifics of the
>>> Wikimedia world. If I get some positive feedback on offering this
>>> workshop at Wikimania–ideally not alone but with another interested
>>> person–I am not sure what the best way to proceed is: Wait for the
>>> submission process, or get in touch with the organizers to ask for a
>>> room and time for this special workshop (as others did in the past)?
>>>
>>> I had drafted a proposal for our diversity conference back in 2013
>>> that we could use and build upon - (it was very general at that time,
>>> today I would address more the specfics of WM-movements..):
>>>
>>> Diversity? Deal with it! – Diversity as a concept has long development
>>> in management and especially in human ressource management in order to
>>> practically deal with diversity of people coming and working together
>>> from different backrounds and levels of knowledge. This 45-min lasting
>>> workshop you will actively engage in situations what actually to do
>>> and how possibly to act when divers and different opinions, people and
>>> backgrounds and communication cultures come together. Different
>>> strategies will be developed within the group participants leaving
>>> them with set of tools and strategies how to deal with diversity in
>>> real life and the online world.
>>>
>>> I am very much looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Christina
>>>
>>> Christina Dinar
>>> Team Communitys
>>>
>>> Volunteer Support
>>>
>>>
>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
>>> Tel. (030) 219 158 260
>>> Mobil: +49 17639238378
>>> http://wikimedia.de
>>>
>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
>>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
>>> unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
>>> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-12-14 23:06 GMT+01:00 Jim Hayes :
>>>
>>>> yes, training could work at wikimania
>>>>
>>>> the education foundation and eval. folks had seminars during hackathon,
>>>> and a track at London
>>>> https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme
>>>>
>>>> what would a required list of HR, managment seminars look like?
>>>>
>

[Gendergap] Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training for functionaries)

[Chris Keating]

Hi Anne, Kerry and Christina - and everyone else,

So the Wikimedia Conference programme committee appears keen to do
something useful in terms of creating space for gender - gap work. So I
wondered if you had any further thoughts about what *might* work at the
Wikimedia Conference.

As Anne points out it is an audience of people from Wikimedia movement
organisations - board members, executive directors (where they exist), and
a smaller number of other staff. Compared to other Wikimedia events there
is probably a greater language and geographical diversity. There is also a
reasonable degree of awareness of the issue - better than one would find if
you put english Wikipedia administrators in a room.

The main focus for the conference is going to be on helping Wikimedia
organisations grow, learn and improve - we are looking to give people
practical outcomes, and are avoiding theoretical discussion as far as
possible.

Thoughts on what we can put in the programme on this issue are very welcome
:) (I'll pass everything on to the programme committee, though I suspect
I'm not the only member of it subscribed to this list).

Thanks and happy new year!

Chris
On 19 Dec 2014 07:21, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

> Can I suggest that the Wikimedia Conference do a train-the-trainer
> session with a view to the chapters running sessions locally in addition to
> the Wikimania session. Not many people get to go to Wikimania so the
> chapters approach would be more scalable.
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Risker
> *Sent:* Friday, 19 December 2014 2:16 AM
> *To:* Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
> participationof women within Wikimedia projects.
> *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries
>
>
>
> While it might be suitable as a "pilot" at the Wikimedia Conference (I
> promise not to harp on the name here), it's a by-invitation conference
> focused on chapter/affiliate executives, many of whom have very limited
> on-wiki presence.  I'm not persuaded that they're the target audience.
>
>
>
> In fact, I'd suggest this would probably be best suited to a full-day
> session targeted at active Wikimedia project administrators and those with
> higher level permissions (think: oversighters, who frequently deal with
> requests from women who feel harassed because of gender; checkusers
> tracking down sockpuppets of harassers, and stewards, who can act in either
> role on projects that don't have their own CU/OS).  There is not
> much overlap between these active on-wiki leaders and the leaders of
> chapters/affiliates.  Strikes me that this would be more ideal for
> Wikimania, perhaps as a pre-WM session if that can be arranged.
>
>
>
> Risker/anne
>
>
>
> On 18 December 2014 at 11:04, Chris Keating 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Christina - this sounds very interesting - would you be happy for me to
> propose it as a possible topic in the Wikimedia Conference, for which I'm
> on the programme committee?
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Christina Burger <
> christina.bur...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Please allow me to briefly introduce myself before coming to the
> point: I am Christina Dinar and I work at Wikimedia Deutschland for
> 1,5 years now. Originally, I was employed to take care of community
> projects that address newbies and enhance the diversity in Wikipedia
> as well other Wikimedia projects. I came with the professional
> background of doing workshops with young adults in political
> education, doing diversity trainings in order to address some of their
> existing social and violent behavioral problems with each other.
> Somehow it never got to that moment that I could actually offer this
> knowledge and experience to the German Wikipedia Community–my
> professional focus here shifted and I started to work in other fields.
>
> Coming from this background, I could definitely offer a diversity
> workshop at Wikimania, for functionaries as well as on the level of
> introduction as a train-the-trainer. We even have developed diversity
> guidelines (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charting_diversity), that
> theoretically frame the approach on diversity to the specifics of the
> Wikimedia world. If I get some positive feedback on offering this
> workshop at Wikimania–ideally not alone but with another interested
> person–I am not sure what the best way to proceed is: Wait for the
> submission process, or get in touch with the organizers to ask for a
> room and time for this special workshop (as 

Re: [Gendergap] Stepping down as list mod - volunteers needed

[Chris Keating]

I'd be happy to help, assuming another man doesn't imbalance things

Chris
On 23 Jan 2015 21:34, "LB"  wrote:

> I might be interested. What all's involved?
>
> Lightbreather
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Leigh Honeywell  wrote:
>
>> Hey Kevin, don't worry about getting Emily added - I'll handle it. Sorry
>> to hear you've been ill!
>>
>> To the rest of the list, another volunteer or two would be really great.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Leigh
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Kevin Gorman  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all -
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I collapsed in severe septic shock several weeks ago, and
>>> thus Wikimedia related business hasn't been on my radar.
>>>
>>> Thank you Leigh, for service. I'll be appointing Emily/Keilana the next
>>> time on my mobile, but more volunteers are welcome.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Kevin Gorman
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 19, 2015, Leigh Honeywell  wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks! I've decided that in 2015 I'm going to try to do fewer things
 but do them better, so in that spirit I'm stepping down as a moderator of
 this list. This means we need another moderator (or two or three) to step
 up. Please email gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org if you're
 interested in this.

 Thanks!

 -Leigh

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Re: [Gendergap] Help us fill the Ally Skills Workshop at Wikimania!

[Chris Keating]

Hi Valerie,

Is the workshop listed on the Wikimania programme? I can't see it.
https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme

(Great that this is happening, though!)

Chris



On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Valerie Aurora 
wrote:

> Hi long-suffering Gender Gap list members,
>
> I have good news! Thanks to the hard work of many of the people on
> this list, the WMF funded a grant to run a pilot Ally Skills Workshop
> at Wikimania in July:
>
>
> https://adainitiative.org/2015/06/apply-now-for-the-ally-skills-workshop-at-wikimania-2015/
>
> The Ally Skills Workshop teaches men simple, everyday ways to support
> women in their communities. This workshop will be laser-focused on
> techniques that work specifically in Wikipedia and related projects,
> including how to use existing policies and suggestions for advocating
> for new policies. It will also teach people about the mindset of
> trolls and what strategies work best for foiling them.
>
> If it goes well, we'll apply for another WMF grant to run a
> train-the-trainers, with the end goal of teaching the workshop to many
> of the Wikipedia admins around the world. The goal is to get them
> educated and wised up to the sexist tactics often used against women
> editors, women's bios, and women's causes on Wikipedia.
>
> If you are going, or if you know someone who would be a good person to
> attend this workshop, please sign up or encourage them to sign up! You
> can also retweet the announcement here:
>
> https://twitter.com/adainitiative/status/613803456692793344
>
> Thanks,
>
> -VAL
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile to Women"

[Chris Keating]

In case anyone missed it, there is now an Arbcom case about this article...
or something - am not entirely clear what it's about but there are some
very, erm, "interesting" arguments being made in the dozens of case
statements.
On 21 Oct 2015 21:01, "Carol Moore dc"  wrote:

>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/
>
> Goes into lots of details...
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Cooperation Index & Table at the Gender Gap project page on Wikipedia en

[Chris Keating]

I have taken a look at your page and am utterly, utterly baffled.

Hope this helps!

Chris

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Leo Romero  wrote:

> Hi there - Whenever you have 5-10 mins to spare, could you please see the
> page linked below? It should explain itself, since it's designed for
> newbies and returnees (like me). If it doesn't, would you mind fixing it,or
> letting us know your suggestions on the Talk page? - Thanks and Mabuhay! -
> Leo
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/3D2Do
>
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[Gendergap] Good sources for criticism of sexism in traditional media

[Chris Keating]

Hi all,

Just wondered if anyone here knew any good sources about the prevalence /
impact of sexism in traditional media?

I'm particularly thinking of adding to this article, where all I can find
on a quick Google is things on HuffPost and Jezebel which aren't
particularly great to use on-wiki, so I'm wondering if there is more out
there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Sexism_accusations

Thanks in advance!

Chris
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Re: [Gendergap] Girl Geeks Vs. Wikimeet

[Chris Keating]

>
> Hope everyone has a fantastic weekend and look forward to hearing from you.
> We have collected feedback from this event and it will be on the Wikimedia
> UK blog soon.
>

Actually it's there now, though we had a technical hitch with our
hosting on Monday and Tuesday;

http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2011/08/girl-geeks-v-wikimeet-an-exercise-in-real-time-collaboration/

Chris

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Re: [Gendergap] High-heeled shoes as a case study

[Chris Keating]

> The number of images in Category:High-heeled shoes is higher than most
> categories about footwear. Approximately one- third of the images are of
> full body shots of attractive females who are wearing high heeled shoes, and
> a significant number of them are nude or posed in sexually provocative
> positions.
>

Hmm, yes, it's very different from all the other categories about
types of shoes.

I was just having a look at that category and this image caught my
eye: 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Young_girl_with_see-through_tops_and_shorts.jpg

It was bot-transferred over from Flickr with a description of "Hello,
My name is Amber and I'm 5' 1" and very petite. I like to meet new
people and I'm very easy to get to know. Just ad me as a friend to see
all my pics and any comments, notes, and favorites are appreciated
too. bye for"

The Flickr accounts originally involved have since been deleted

This makes me very suspicious that we've basically taken an image from
a porn-spammer and unquestioningly put it on Commons

Chris
(The Land)

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Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

[Chris Keating]

While this is an interesting post, I do feel that most of it needs a
big {{citation needed}} tag

> All this to explain to you that in Western Europe as it is now, the
> refusal to show nudity is becoming clearly identified with Islam, and
> feminists are turning clearly against Islam.

This is not my experience in the UK. Both feminism and Islam are too
diverse for any of this to be "clear".

Chris

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Re: [Gendergap] Upskirt/downblouse categories (was: Re: So this is how Commons works?)

[Chris Keating]

>
>
> > Especially when the images are scraped off the CC-BY and CC-BY-SA Flickr
> > streams.
> >
> That was something I noticed the other day. An anon replaced the
> infobox image on Veganism with a close-up shot of a woman's genitals
> and a vibrator. I looked to see who had uploaded it and it said Flickr
> upload bot. So is there a bot that uploads all cc images from Flickr
> indiscriminately?
>
>
Apparently a bot does the work, but a human has to ask for them.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Flickr_upload_bot

Chris
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Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap humor

[Chris Keating]

O.M.G.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> :))
>
> A.
>
> --- On *Wed, 14/9/11, Ryan Kaldari * wrote:
>
>
> From: Ryan Kaldari 
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap humor
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Wednesday, 14 September, 2011, 2:04
>
>
> Another blatant violation of the Principle of least astonishment:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombic_drive
>
> Ryan Kaldari
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[Gendergap] Monitoring impact on female participation

[Chris Keating]

So how can we measure what impact we're having on getting women to
participate?

Over the next few months Wikimedia UK's very going to be adopting a rather
more formal set of reporting procedures. I just wondered if people on this
list had any thoughts about how we could build in some gender impact
assessment into this reporting.

It should be fairly easy for the Board to ask for statistics on how many of
the people attending events are men and how many are women. Ideally we would
also have statistics on how many people attending events *who then go on to
edit/join/otherwise take part* available by gender. It should be even easier
to monitor the diversity of our staff (currently we have 2, both are male)
and Wikimedians in Residence (also currently 2, both male) and indeed the
board (err 7 men) - hopefully these statistics will be a bit better in a
year's time.

Does anyone have any more thoughts on how we should approach this?

Regards,

Chris

PS. Also, you might be interested to know that we've identified a £10k
budget for "broadening impact" - i.e. additional funding for projects which
are aimed at women, Scotland, Wales, ethnic or linguistic minorities - I
think this is a good thing but we do need to make sure the remaining £500k
isn't spent only on white Englishmen ;-)
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Re: [Gendergap] Geek girl smash

[Chris Keating]

There's this great text-based MMORPG I know where you pretend you're
creating this kind of online encyclopedia it's really addictive, some
people take it a bit too seriously, though... ;-)




On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> Oh lonely nerds...reminds me of high school.
>
> ::rolls a 10 sided to help close the gap::
>
> -Sarah
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  And of course, the header makes absolutely no sense, unless you know that
>> I found that comic on the Geek Girl Smash blog, pasted the title into the
>> header of that mail, and *then* traced the source back to Shoeboxblog. Sorry
>> for that.
>>
>> /L
>>
>>
>> Lennart Guldbrandsson,
>> Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se
>> Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost:
>> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida:
>> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg:
>> http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/
>>
>> --
>> From: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com
>> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 07:42:19 +
>> Subject: [Gendergap] Geek girl smash
>>
>>
>>  Hello,
>>
>> I don't know if it's been discussed before, but I found this cartoon which
>> I thought was a bit fitting for this list:
>>
>> http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=19380
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Lennart
>>
>> Lennart Guldbrandsson,
>> Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se
>> Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost:
>> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida:
>> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg:
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Re: [Gendergap] More Dangerous to be a Woman Than a Soldier

[Chris Keating]

On the whole I think our military history articles aren't great at dealing
with sexual violence, on a number of dimensions.

For instance, there was a large amount of well-documented rape and sexual
mutiliation of Vietnamese women by U.S. forces in Vietnam, but the Vietnam
War article doesn't cover this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Women_in_Vietnam

You will be relieved to know that is has more paragraphs devoted to the
American nurses who served in Vietnam than to anything about Vietnamese
women. Apparently this is because, on the American side at least, "many men
reported that having women in the field with them boosted their
morale. Although
this was not the women’s purpose, it was one positive result of the their
service."

I'm sure you'll agree that a bit of morale-boosting is far more worthy of
comment than other services provided by nurses, e.g. medical care.

Sexual violence by Americans in Vietnam is also missing from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_rape - though of course that article does
adequately cover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women - evidently rape
is better-covered when it is Asians doing the raping rather than being
raped. One wonders why.

;-)
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Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedystka

[Chris Keating]

>
>
> It seems to me very kind, but not related to the ethymology nor the use of
> the words (I have not information about Polish).
> In English you have the male suffix -ian and the female suffix -ienne :
> comedienne , 
> equestrienne,
> tragedienne .
> At the same time you have the suffix -ist for both gender (coming from
> -ista (Latin) and -istes (old Greek)
>

Though in English the gendered suffixes don't all exist, even where they
ought to. There is no such thing as a musicienne or a teamstress (or indeed
a seamster ;-) ) and even in some cases where we could use a perfectly good
Latin feminine (e.g. editrix) it never happens.

Chris
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Re: [Gendergap] washington dc

[Chris Keating]

I don't know the situation here at all, but I think Anne's point is that
this is a sensitive area and best discussed outside of mailing lists.

There is also a point that on-wiki behaviours, problems and sanctions do not
necessarily translate into off-wiki activity. (though normally I notice this
the other way around, with people who are pillars of the community on-wiki
behaving unacceptably in real lifei..)

Chris
Wikimedia UK

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Sandra  wrote:

> I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify.
>
> Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the
> community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned
> for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines?
>
> I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view
> correctly.
>
> On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
> I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this
> mailing list. One of the key "harassment" issues was that the now-banned
> user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to
> beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an
> interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to
> affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English
> Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned
> in the first place.
>
> At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is an
> active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that it
> would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected here.
> Please proceed with caution.
>
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez < 
> sandratordo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago.
>>
>> lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey <
>> orangem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez <
>>> sandratordo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C.
>>> > chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things
>>> like
>>> > harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like
>>> copyright
>>> > violations.
>>>
>>> Banned in the past, and done their time; or currently banned? I've
>>> worked with ex-cons in the past.
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[Gendergap] Please help - female faces for fundraiser in UK

[Chris Keating]

Hello,

Just a quick favour to ask any women on this list who are based in, or have
links to, the UK

I'm leading Wikimedia UK's participation in the fundraiser and am keen to
make sure we have fundraising banners which aren't just men, men and more
men. There are various appeals produced by the Foundation featuring people
like Sue, Maryana and Sarah, but some of these are too specific to the USA
or to the Foundation.

So please give me a shout if you're a British (or even vaguely British ;-)
) woman happy to talk about why Wikipedia is so cool, or if you know
someone who might fit the bill. I currently have a very short (but
non-zero) list of people to follow up so any help much appreciated. :-)

Chris
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[Gendergap] Surplus women and World War I

[Chris Keating]

Dear all,

Just wanted to let you know about some interesting contributions to the
Wikimedia article gender balance from a slightly unexpected source.

On Saturday, Wikimedia UK had a World War I-themed Editathon[1], where we
essentially put a lot of Wikimedians and a group of academics in a room and
asked them to help improve coverage of World War I.

The gender balance was markedly better amongst the academics we'd invited
(4 men, 3 women) than among the Wikimedians (20 men, no women at all) -
which prompted quite a lot of debate about gender balance among Wikimedia
volunteers (not very good) and also about the gender balance of Wikipedia's
coverage of  the topic (also, not very good!). It might also be that we'd
taken a lot of steps to promote the event amongst the English Wikipedia's
large and active military history community (which probably has worse than
average gender balance, at a guess).

I'm pleased to say that one of the outcomes from the event is an article,
currently in sandbox but well worthy of a DYK nom when in due course, on
the topic of "Surplus women" - a demographic imbalance that existed (or was
perceived) in Western Europe in the industrial era, accentuated by the mass
slaughter of World War I, and hitherto completely absent from Wikipedia.
You can have a look at it here :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ErrantX/Sandbox/Surplus_women

Many thanks,

Chris
Wikimedia UK


[1] http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_I/World_War_I_Editathon
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Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch

[Chris Keating]

>
> I suppose watching myself get nominated for deletion just makes me want to
> say "try to improve before you delete." But, when I graduated high school I
> was voted most likely to be serial killer, the US president, and the class
> clown. So.. whatever ;)
>

was there any independent coverage of that... if so, it's going in the
article :-)
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Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch

[Chris Keating]

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Sarah  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
>>  HAHAHA. Yes, page 106. A young unhappy goth with her dad in New
>> Orleans. My necklace spells out "riot grrrl."
>>
>
Well, you're definitely the Wikipedian in residence in that book.

:)
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