Re: [Gendergap] more women's voices

[Jane Darnell]

Most health articles on Wikipedia are about men's health. I think you will
find lots of stuff still covered by good 'ol 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica,
except for the work done by the Medical Project, which needs more
volunteers and is of course ongoing. In cases where articles get lots of
traffic, they tend to be pretty good, but quite a long read. A friend was
worried about having her daughter vaccinated for HPV, something that is
done at school in my area for girls aged 13. My friend's doctor, a woman,
said off the record that she would not allow her daughter to get the
vaccine. Reading the Wikipedia article, I am not sure what to decide, and
it certainly doesn't seem at first glance to be at all a controversial
topic. I am not sure this article gives my friend all the information she
needs to make a decision.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccines



On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Neotarf  wrote:

> I'm not sure that disaster response and public health are mutually
> exclusive, or how far non-specialists can get with this.  In any case, the
> disaster response consists of getting Wikipedia-based knowledge into areas
> without internet, either as an offline resource via Wiki Project Med/App,
> or a local internet connection, so, in any case, they can only provide as
> much information as is already in Wikipedia.
>
> Doing a spot check on children's health, individual articles that have
> been adopted by WikiProject Medicine, like chickenpox and rubella, seem to
> be well developed, but the navigation is hard to follow.  There is a
> category for "pediatrics" also for "children's health", but where is the
> navbox to tie everything together? What if you want to know something about
> standard vaccines, for example, or psycho-social issues, or the reemergence
> of polio in war zones.  What if you want to work on or evaluate a series of
> articles around a central theme, or you want information to care for your
> own children?
>
> Compare the extensive connection of articles at "Women's health" with
> navigation templates at both the right sidebar and footer areas.  Compare
> also the pitiful coverage of "Men's heath", which a google search resolves
> to an article about a Rodale publication of that name.  A note at the top
> of that article says "For health issues that apply specifically to men, see
> men's health", which links to a pitiful start-class article with a somewhat
> promotional tone, rated "low-importance" by Wikproject Medicine, that has
> sported an incomplete tag since 2015.  The "men's health" article only has
> a navigation template for "reproductive health".  There is a Rodale
> magazine called Women's Health, but Wikipedia does not consider the
> magazine to be the "primary topic" (WP:PRIMARYTOPIC) according to
> Wikipedia's naming conventions.  It has the secondary topic title format
> of  "Women's Health (magazine)" and an additional note at the top: "It is
> not to be confused with the academic journals, Women's Health Issues
> (journal), or Journal of Women's Health."
>
> And where is "domestic violence" or "sexual assault" in the men's health
> roster?  Are these women's topics only? For that matter, where is
> "prostate-specific antigen blood test". You can find more information about
> these topics on reddit than on Wikipedia.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pediatrics
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Children%27s_health
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_health
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_Health
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_health
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Health_(magazine)
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:58 PM, J Hayes  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, if you wanted a case study of what implicit bias looks like, just
>> look at health care.
>> It is good working on disaster response, but the vital chronic public
>> health topics are relatively neglected.
>> This infant sleep article got elevated by our oclc friends. Much
>> criticism of the start by the librarians.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2017 8:41 PM, "Neotarf"  wrote:
>>
>>> Health professionals thinking about what belongs in an educational video
>>> might want to walk down the hall to the outpatient department and see what
>>> kind of films are being shown to family members while they wait.  Who
>>> knows, there might even be something out of copyright that can be made
>>> available to the public. If obstetrics is being described in terms of
>>> storks (what, no cabbage patch?) then pediatrics on Wikipedia is even more
>>> dismal. I wondered about this article on infant sleep training and why it
>>> is assigned to women's health project.  Does Wikipedia recognize no
>>> difference between gynecology and pediatrics?
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Infant_sleep_training And then I
>>> realized there is no project for pediatrics. With the medicine project
>>> developing the offline Kiwix application that can 

[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Women through the glass ceiling: gender asymmetries in Wikipedia

[Jane Darnell]

reposting here - I read the English article and found it very interesting,
if only to remind us how far we have come on enwiki (from 15.5% to 17%)
-- Forwarded message --
From: Eduardo Testart 
Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:55 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Women through the glass ceiling: gender asymmetries
in Wikipedia
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 


Hi all,



One of the members from Wikimedia Chile, independently from the chapter and
before he became a member, was directly involved in the development of the
following article, that adress the gender inequality (or gender bias), and
which gives the title to the email:

*https://epjdatascience.springeropen.com/articles/10.
1140/epjds/s13688-016-0066-4
*


It was published almost a year and half ago (March 1, 2016), and from an
internal and informal conversation that occurred yesterday in the Chapter,
he shared the link to the complete study

(in English). Worth to mention is that he presented preliminary results

(in Spanish) about it in the Wikimedia Chile Conference
 from 2015.


I read the complete article yesterday, and found it extremely interesting,
so I took the liberty to share it here, in case you haven’t had the chance
to read it yet.


Also, the article is distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons
Attribution 4.0 International License :)


Cheers!
--
Eduardo Testart
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Re: [Gendergap] They want to delete First Ladies now?

[Jane Darnell]

Thanks for that! I have always wondered about that myself.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Risker  wrote:

> Well, in fairness, Nell Arthur was never the U.S. First Lady because she
> died before her husband became president.
>
> On the other hand, anyone can remove a PROD, and based on what's in the
> article, it was a good call to do so.  A few years ago, I did a bit of
> review on the likelihood that something PRODded would actually get deleted,
> and about half the time the PROD tags were removed. As I recall, I looked
> at about 3-4 days of PRODs so it may not be entirely representative. On the
> other hand, on a fair number of occasions the PROD tag was removed without
> the core issue being addressed, about 60%.  Sometimes the reason was
> absurd, but more often it was a justified concern (e.g., absence of
> reliable sources for key facts or notability) that was just not addressed.
> Only a very small percentage (under 5% as I recall) had the PROD tag
> removed and then someone took the article to AfD.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 6 January 2017 at 09:52, Johanna-Hypatia Cybeleia <
> johanna.hypa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It was a bit of a shock to see on Nell Arthur
>> 's page an imminent threat of
>> deletion. I wouldn't have thought an article on a First Lady could be so
>> vulnerable. Somebody is claiming that she has no notability just for being
>> married to the vice president who became president after her death. It took
>> me about 5 minutes to find RS for the fact that she was indeed notable and
>> she had everything to do with getting her husband's political career going.
>> He could not have accomplished what he did without her.
>>
>> smh
>>
>> So I edited that fact in; in fact, I created a new section headed
>> "Political career." Now I can remove the deletion threat (just in time
>> before the ax falls!), but I became alarmed: Which other articles on women
>> are under this threat? OK, I'm biased: I come from the town named after her
>> dad. I couldn't just let her slip away.
>>
>> Below is the text of the notice, one I haven't seen before, and it has an
>> alarming red-bordered appearance right up on top of the article, not the
>> talk page.
>>
>> For equality,
>> J.Hy
>>
>> It is *proposed that this article be deleted
>> * because of
>> the following concern:
>>
>> Notability is not inherited, and subject only seems to really be known
>> for her marriage to Chester A. Arthur
>> . No indication of
>> meeting WP:Notability (people)
>>  at all.
>>
>> If you can address this concern by improving
>> , copyediting
>> , sourcing
>> 
>> , renaming , or
>> merging  the page, *please 
>> edit
>> this page
>> * and
>> do so. *You may remove this message if you improve the article or
>> otherwise object to deletion for any reason*. Although not required, you
>> are encouraged to explain why you object to the deletion, either in your
>> edit summary or on the talk page. If this template is removed, *do not
>> replace it
>> *.
>>
>> The article may be deleted if this message remains in place for seven
>> days, i.e., after 06:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC).
>> If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider
>> improving the article so that it is acceptable according to the deletion
>> policy .
>> --
>> *Nominator:* Please consider notifying the author/project: {{subst
>> :proposed deletion
>> notify |Nell
>> Arthur|concern=Notability is not inherited, and subject only seems to
>> really be known for her marriage to [[Chester A. Arthur]]. No indication of
>> meeting [[WP:Notability (people)]] at all.}} 
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Guardian article on cyber harassment

[Jane Darnell]

It could be an interesting Wikimedia blog post to write a history of
moderationon Wikipedia projects. I'll bet that various communities have
developed in different ways because of crucial early choices in moderation
policies...

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Neotarf  wrote:

> @Chris, yes that Verge link keeps coming across my screen from various
> sources, but for some reason I can't seem to get past the first anecdote,
> if anyone can give a synopsis for the TL:DR challenged.  There is a great
> response to the piece here [1] "Then they throw people at the problem but
> never their precious “engineering resources.” When trust and safety, fraud,
> compliance, and moderation teams start getting their own engineering
> resources, something that often takes years to happen, then you know the
> company is finally acknowledging the importance and seriousness of the
> work." [2]
>
> Here is also "Understanding the difference between generic harassment and
> GenderTrolling" [3]: I could wish for more {{citation needed}}, but the
> site in general looks like it might have some good resources.
>
> [1] https://twitter.com/adelin/status/722117945808125952
> [2] http://avc.com/2016/04/community-moderation-2/
> [3]
> http://wmcspeechproject.com/2016/04/15/understanding-the-difference-between-generic-harassment-and-gendertrolling/
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Chris Koerner  wrote:
>
>> Interesting article. Thank you for sharing. This made me think of the
>> recent reporting by The Verge on the issues of moderation in online spaces,
>> free speech, and harassment.
>>
>>
>> http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/13/11387934/internet-moderator-history-youtube-facebook-reddit-censorship-free-speech
>>
>> Yours,
>> Chris Koerner
>> clkoerner.com
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Re: [Gendergap] journalist versus troll story

[Jane Darnell]

Just. Wow.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:14 PM, J Hayes  wrote:

> http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-benjamin-wey/
>
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [libraries] Why GLAM Wiki:

[Jane Darnell]

forwarding to this list
-- Forwarded message --
From: Bob Kosovsky 
Date: Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 2:00 PM
Subject: [libraries] Why GLAM Wiki:
To: Wikimedia & Libraries 


Nice post on ACRL's blog about one person's change in perspective by
participation in the Art+Feminism edit-a-thon:

http://acrlog.org/2015/12/15/why-glam-wiki-wikipedia-and-galleries-libraries-archives-and-museums/


-- 
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Music Division, The New York Public Library for the Performing Arts
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikidata] Wikidata Analyst, a tool to comprehensively analyze quality of Wikidata

[Jane Darnell]

Interesting to compare male vs female data on Wikidata:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/wd-analyst/index.php?p=P21=Q6581097%7CQ6581072

-- Forwarded message --
From: Amir Ladsgroup 
Date: Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:48 PM
Subject: [Wikidata] Wikidata Analyst, a tool to comprehensively analyze
quality of Wikidata
To: "Discussion list for the Wikidata project." <
wikid...@lists.wikimedia.org>


Hey,
There has been several discussion regarding quality of information in
Wikidata. I wanted to work on quality of wikidata but we don't have any
source of good information to see where we are ahead and where we are
behind. So I thought the best thing I can do is to make something to show
people how exactly sourced our data is with details. So here we have
*http://tools.wmflabs.org/wd-analyst/index.php
*

You can give only a property (let's say P31) and it gives you the four most
used values + analyze of sources and quality in overall (check this out
)
 and then you can see about ~33% of them are sources which 29.1% of them
are based on Wikipedia.
You can give a property and multiple values you want. Let's say you want to
compare P27:Q183 (Country of citizenship: Germany) and P27:Q30 (US)
Check this out
. And you
can see US biographies are more abundant (300K over 200K) but German
biographies are more descriptive (3.8 description per item over 3.2
description over item)

One important note: Compare P31:Q5 (a trivial statement) 46% of them are
not sourced at all and 49% of them are based on Wikipedia **but* *get this
statistics for population properties (P1082
) It's not a trivial
statement and we need to be careful about them. It turns out there are
slightly more than one reference per statement and only 4% of them are
based on Wikipedia. So we can relax and enjoy these highly-sourced data.

Requests:

   - Please tell me whether do you want this tool at all
   - Please suggest more ways to analyze and catch unsourced materials

Future plan (if you agree to keep using this tool):

   - Support more datatypes (e.g. date of birth based on year, coordinates)
   - Sitelink-based and reference-based analysis (to check how much of
   articles of, let's say, Chinese Wikipedia are unsourced)


   - Free-style analysis: There is a database for this tool that can be
   used for way more applications. You can get the most unsourced statements
   of P31 and then you can go to fix them. I'm trying to build a playground
   for this kind of tasks)

I hope you like this and rock on!

Best

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Re: [Gendergap] Commons and censorship from raising complaints

[Jane Darnell]

OMG Fae you are such a bad boy, but I must admit I love your dramah - Toi
Toi Toi! I would never have the guts to do what you do in a lifetime of
edits.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Fæ  wrote:

> I thought it would be worth giving a head's up on this attempt to stop
> me from openly complaining on Wikimedia Commons when abusive anti-LGBT
> language or inappropriate turning of discussion into LGBT related
> trolling occurs:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems#Proposed_topic_ban_for_User:F.C3.A6
>
> I am one of the most well known openly gay contributors to Commons,
> possibly the most well known on that project. This requested topic ban
> is from someone who has been pestering me for a few years, recently
> culminating with calling me a "raging gay". It'll be interesting to
> see if the WMF policies against harassment can make any difference to
> the censorship of LGBT contributors that are being griefed in this
> way. It's a sad day when LGBT contributors are not given any process
> to make open complaints that can be discussed by the wider community.
>
> Fae
> --
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Re: [Gendergap] Call for Participation: 2016 Art+Feminism Wikipedia

[Jane Darnell]

Interesting! I always assumed that the reason was because that though many
women work in the arts, the "gendergap" in content is larger than for any
other field. So for example, in education, many women work as teachers and
there are lots of women who write books and run schools. In hospitals, many
women are nurses, doctors and work in the administration. In the arts, many
women are art historians and work in museum administration, but the
percentage of works hanging on museum walls that are by female artists is
less than 3%.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Art+Feminism 
wrote:

> Dear Risker and Marie,
>
> You both make very valuable points! Under the umbrealla of +Feminism (
> www.plusfeminism.org), part of what were are trying to do is create an
> organizer's toolkit, with suggested organizing workflow and training
> materials, that other feminist, thematic edit-a-thons can use and remix.
> Thus, if someone wanted to start Politics+Feminism or Medicine+Feminism,
> the barrier to entry would be much lower. We would be very happy to have
> this happen.
>
> All best wishes,
> Siân Evans + Jacqueline Mabey + Michael Mandiberg
> ᐧ
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 7:00 AM, 
> wrote:
>
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>>2. Request for advice about editathons (Pine W)
>>3. Re: Request for advice about editathons (J Hayes)
>>4. Re: Request for advice about editathons (Lennart Guldbrandsson)
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 17:25:48 -0500
>> From: Risker 
>> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
>> participation of women within Wikimedia projects."
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Call for Participation: 2016 Art+Feminism
>> Wikipedia   Edit-a-thon
>> Message-ID:
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>> capxs8ytippenlkcorab5+ymlvgcoxx5h6bguputdxyca7jy...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Is that you I see volunteering to organize one, Marie?  :-)
>>
>> I suspect that is the reason, to be honest - nobody specifically taking
>> the
>> bull by the horns.  It requires interest in the subject, and a willingness
>> and ability to organize the events.   Economics is not a particularly
>> popular subject (comparatively speaking) in the Wikipedia world - the
>> entire topic area could use a lot of work, not just the aspects relating
>> to
>> women or feminism - and like anything else, the smaller the number of
>> people participating in a topic area, the less likely there will be
>> individuals who take on the challenge of organizing collaborative events.
>>
>> As to Women in Politics, I think this is probably (at least for women in
>> Western countries) one of the better covered areas, simply because most of
>> our  major language Wikipedias treat all politicians at what they consider
>> to be notable levels of government in pretty much the same way, using
>> essentially standardized formats.
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>> On 6 November 2015 at 06:16, Marie Earley  wrote:
>>
>> > As much as I like to see an event like this happening, and the Women in
>> > Science event, I'm left wondering why there are no similar events for
>> Women
>> > in Politics or Economics + Feminism.
>> >
>> > Marie
>> >
>> > --
>> > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 10:47:08 -0500
>> > From: i...@art.plusfeminism.org
>> > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > Subject: [Gendergap] Call for Participation: 2016 Art+Feminism Wikipedia
>> > Edit-a-thon
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Gender gap mailing list members,
>> >
>> > We are in the process of organizing the third annual international
>> > Art+Feminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon. The New York event will be held at
>> the
>> > Dorothy and Lewis B. Cullman Education and Research Building at MoMA on
>> > Saturday, March 5, 2016. We are looking for support in the form of
>> > participants and suggestions.
>> >
>> > Last year, over 1500 participants at the Museum of Modern Art in New
>> York
>> > and more than 75 node events around the world participated in
>> > Art+Feminism’s second annual Wikipedia Edit-a-thon, resulting in the
>> > creation of nearly 400 new pages and significant 

Re: [Gendergap] Video Q discussing Arbcom and gender/orientation harassment cases

[Jane Darnell]

Yes, that was an interesting Q - I was familiar with most of the material
discussed in the talk (and a lot of it has been discussed here before), but
I was surprised by the emotional response afterwards and the number of
comments/questions.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Fæ  wrote:

> Links:
> 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-Y-FuzAH4=85m30s
> 2.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee#Comments_on_ArbCom_and_gender
>
> Folks may be interested in watching the Q session at the recent
> WikiConference USA where gender and harassment was discussed for about
> 45 minutes.[1] It makes for an interesting summary of how Arbcom is
> perceived with regard to handling harassment cases, and the types of
> harassment of significant concern for our community.
>
> This has been raised on the Arbcom noticeboard[2], it will be
> interesting to see how many current Arbcom members make a public
> comment, or indeed if they are perfectly happy with the way Arbcom
> currently works, or not.
>
> Fae
> --
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[Gendergap] The "Canon" of Literature and the lack of women's names in it

[Jane Darnell]

Hi all,
Please see this call for papers at Oxford University. Closing time for
submissions is this Sunday, conference is on 22-23 January 2016.
https://womenandthecanon.wordpress.com/call-for-papers/
Anyone interested?
Maybe WMUK could sponsor a short talk about their work resurrecting the
women of the Royal Society?

I was thinking of going in relation to my work on women artists (but
perhaps they are restricted to literary works).

Jane
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Re: [Gendergap] Does openly declaring your gender change the probability of having an upload overwritten?

[Jane Darnell]

Oh right! It's funny how you re-interpret my email because of the info in
it. As I do yours. Of course I think I have only overwritten my own images
and probably rarely if ever overwrite the images of others. My images are
often cropped by others, because I do lots of printed pages from books as
well (forgot about those). Generally they get cropped and re-uploaded, but
sometimes also overwritten. For example this one should probably have been
re-uploaded separately rather than overwritten:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Roelant_Savery_-_het_gulden_cabinet.png

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jane (limiting reply to gendergap list),

 From the normal wiki database, I don't think that the date when a user
 changed a user preference can be found on the database, it just gives
 you the public preferences as set at the time of running a query. It's
 an interesting issue, for example if we had a community drive for
 women to declare their gender in project preferences, the outcome
 might be for people to believe that the proportion of numbers of women
 on the project were increasing, when in reality it was just old
 accounts tweaking their settings...

 (This is a slight tangent, but something other than statistics might
 come out of thinking about your case) With regard to your own account,
 you have had files overwritten 5 times in the last 360 days but not
 overwritten anyone else yourself, all of these by accounts with no
 gender set. Looking over all time instead gives:
 female-female1
 female-male  2
 female-none 18
 male-female 35
 none-female 74

 Obviously apart from the f-f case you can see whether you were
 overwriting or being overwritten. In the f-f case you were
 overwritten. 24 cases were the same declared male overwriting your
 images and in 30 cases the same account with no gender set (but an
 apparent male based on public information on their user home pages)
 overwrote you. Most other overwrites were one-off single incidents.

 Please keep in mind that overwriting is normal and can be corrections,
 crops etc. as part of general healthy and productive collegiate work.
 Only a small proportion of the time is it part of a dispute on
 Commons.

 Fae

 On 14 August 2015 at 09:11, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Interesting idea to measure this, but I am not sure what it means. I am
 a female who has overwritten many files. When I first joined up I don't
 think I filled in female until Sarah asked me to years later. Am I one of
 the 479?
 
  On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Sorry for cross-posting. There may be some readers of this list that
 may not bother to follow the busier wikimedia-l one. :-)
 
  I'd appreciate any thoughts and analysis, especially if there are other
 reports that might give an insight into whether the number mean much or not
 a lot...
 
  
 
  I have pulled together the following table together for the past 360
 days, counting whenever an image was reverted by someone who was not the
 last uploader, and then attempting to find any declared gender:
 
  2014-2015 Commons file overwrite stats compared to gender
 
  +---+--+
  | sex   | count(*) |
  +---+--+
  | female-female |1 |
  | female-male   |  110 |
  | female-none   |  426 |
  | male-female   |  139 |
  | male-male | 1376 |
  | male-none | 5711 |
  | none-female   |  479 |
  | none-male | 5289 |
  | none-none |15716 |
  +---+--+
 
  Key: none means not set in user preferences, female-male means a
 woman has overwritten a man's file and male-none means a declared male
 has overwritten an account with no gender set.
 
  I'd appreciate any views on whether there is any statistical meaning to
 be pulled from these figures, apart from showing that men probably
 outnumber women contributors by ten times on Commons.
 
  If the email is displaying badly, you can find a wiki formatted table
 and original generating SQL on the Commons village pump[1]. I thought this
 would be of wider interest as though image revert warring is mostly an
 issue for Wikimedia Commons, it is a very similar area of heated disputes
 when compared to edit revert warring on Wikipedia projects. The question
 popped up from someone interested in my long running 'significant reverts'
 tracking report.[2]
 
  Links:
  1.
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Does_openly_declaring_your_gender_change_the_probability_of_having_an_upload_overwritten.3F
  2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/SignificantReverts
 
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Wikimedia Nederland surveys among editors and readers of Wikipedia

[Jane Darnell]

posting here because this shows the Dutch Wikipedia to only have 11% women
editors, which is less than the English Wikipedia. WMNL is actually happy
about this number as it shows almost double improvement from 2013 when only
6% of survey respondents identified as female.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Sandra Rientjes Wikimedia Nederland rient...@wikimedia.nl
Date: Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:42 PM
Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Wikimedia Nederland surveys among editors and
readers of Wikipedia
To: wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org, wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org


-Apologies for cross-posting-


In June, two surveys were carried out at the request of Wikimedia
Nederland: one among editors of the Dutch language Wikipedia, and one among
the general public (the users of Wikipedia).

The first results of these surveys are now available.  Below you will find
summaries of the main results, and links to the full reports.

Both surveys provide interesting insights - also in the light of the
ongoing discussion about community health.  The challenge for Wikimedia
Nederland now will be to use these to develop better community support and
outreach programmes.

After the summer break, WMNL is planning a discussion with the community to
decide just that.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions about these surveys.



*A.   Survey among editors - summary of results  (link to full report
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/nl/d/d6/Report_survey_NLWP_editors.pdf)*

*New editors*: A large majority of editors recognizes the importance of a
continuous influx of new editors and feels that new editors are welcome. To
ensure that new editors will not drop out, care and guidance of newbies
must be improved.

*Diversity*: Only 11% of the respondents are women. Everyone recognizes, to
a greater or lesser extent, the disadvantages of limited diversity among
the editors. There is large support for the theory that low participation
of women negatively affects the coverage of topics in Wikipedia. The
atmosphere on Wikipedia is most often cited as a cause for low
participation of women; women mention it much more often as a cause than
men.

*Work Atmosphere*: Opinions are divided about the work atmosphere on the
Dutch Wikipedia. However, there are more editors dissatisfied with the
atmosphere than satisfied. The atmosphere is most frequently characterized
as quarrelsome and distrustful, and quite often also as constructive and
aggressive. A large group of editors on the Dutch Wikipedia has on occasion
been approached in a manner that they considered inappropriate; a small
group admits to having approached others in an inappropriate manner
themselves.

*Conflicts and Conflict Resolution*: The number of conflicts is seen as
high by the editors. Two in five editors state that in the past six months
they have been involved in a situation that felt like a conflict.There are
different opinions on the resolution of the conflicts. There are more
editors who indicate that conflicts are only sometimes or (almost) never
solved in a good way, than those who say this usually or always happens in
a good way. What is also striking is that a fairly large group has no
opinion on the number of conflicts and/or solution thereof.

Egos and stubbornness are considered to play a major role in the emergence
of conflict. Rules/guidelines and moderation by trained people are often
put forward as a solution.

*Communication*: The dialogue (communication) between editors is fragmented
across many channels and occurs in particular via talk pages. The editors
rarely communicate with each outside of Wikipedia, either in person or
online via social media. Wikimedia mailing lists, blogs, newsletters or
notice pages are not frequently read, and attendance of Wikimedia-organized
events in the Netherlands or abroad is limited.

*Wikimedia Nederland*: A large majority of respondents is familiar with
Wikimedia Nederland and about a quarter of the respondents is currently
also a member. (This is not representative of the overall population of
editors - we estimate 10% of active edtiors are members) Generally, the
respondents are satisfied with the (kind of) work WMNL does.



*B. Survey among readers (users) of Wikipedia - summary of results  (link
to full report)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/nl/d/d6/Survey_among_readers_of_Wikipedia_2015.pdf*


*Knowledge and use of Wikipedia are high, as is satisfaction.*

· Knowledge of Wikipedia and the number of users of Wikipedia have
increased significantly in recent years (2013-2015). Four in five Dutch
people now know about, and use, Wikipedia.

· Levels/frequency of use of Wikipedia have not increased. It is
possible that new users use Wikipedia less intensively.

· More than one tenth of Dutch people said they had installed the
Wikipedia app. That is a very high number.

· In general terms, a large majority thought the articles were very
readable and easy to use. 

Re: [Gendergap] Slate on Wikipedia and the gendergap

[Jane Darnell]

The main thing is figuring out how to measure something, and then proceed
to measure that something with a reasonable frequency, like once a year or
once every two years. Only then can we determine whether we are making
progress at all. We also have to be careful not to confuse our own
Wikiverse Gendergap with the already established systemic gender bias in
academia. You can't expect Wikipedia to forge new pathways for women,
Wikipedia should just reflect society at large, due to the acceptance of
reliable sources produced by society at large. We aren't ever going to
become radically feminist, but I think in some sense, all of us are
feminists or we wouldn't be subscribed to this list. Though I would
personally agree about subjects such as fashion, cookery, domestic affairs
and childrearing, these are really hard to measure, so I think we are much
more focussed if we just stick to virtual weenie counts in any list. So
whatever the list is, count the proportion of men-women, and then the
proportion of blue to red links for men and women.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Marie Earley eir...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I'm not keen on the phrase female-related content, I posted this
 transcript of an exchange I had with an editor
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2015-April/005670.html in
 April.

 When I dared to suggest that women could be interested in topics other
 than the ones he suggested - fashion, cookery, domestic affairs and
 childrearing - he responded with this:
 ...the purpose of the task force was to increase the participation of
 women of all sorts, not just radical feminists like you apparently are.
 and later:
 ... your comments seem to wilfully denigate the possibility that women
 could be interested in topics of traditional interest to women.

 Regarding English Wikipedia, it is worth remembering that the US, UK,
 Australia and New Zealand all have English as their official language, and
 that Canada has both English and French, so English Wikipedia isn't an
 homogenous block.

 My experience of well moderated websites in the UK (with their servers in
 the UK, and therefore subject to UK law), is that people are simply not
 allowed to speak that way here either. As far as I'm aware Jeremy Waldron
 (from New Zealand), is one of the few to take on America's first amendment
 in his book The Harm in Hate Speech.
 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2223860

 Marie

 --
 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 07:57:48 -0400
 From: slowki...@gmail.com
 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Slate on Wikipedia and the gendergap

 empty simplistic theorizing
 need to do multi-factor analysis of input factors.
 edtitathons are gathering data, but sample size is small
 don't really have good data on percentage participation

 my experience is that female-related content is improving, but gap
 remains as the toxic culture trumps everything else. i.e. low correlation

 On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 An interesting set of questions, Lennart! Let me first explain why I am
 looking for reliable sources on the Gendergap. I have been involved with
 efforts to reduce the Gendergap in the Netherlands since 2011. Our big news
 today is that we have nearly doubled female participation from 6% (measured
 in 2013) to 11% according to our latest survey results from this year. One
 of the problems I have in discussions regarding the Gendergap is the whole
 chicken-and-egg theory about whether women don't participate because of a
 lack of female-related content, or whether we lack female-related content
 because we have so few female participants. It would be nice to have an
 article in the Dutch Wikipedia on the Gendergap to answer these questions
 without repeating myself constantly, but I see that so far since
 publication of that article on the English Wikipedia on 30 April 2014
 (called Gender Bias on Wikipedia in order to differentiate it from the
 Gender Pay Gap), only the Turkish Wikipedia has managed to create an
 article in their wiki on the same subject.

 I would really like to make an article in the Dutch Wikipedia about this,
 and in this context we would rely on Dutch reliable sources but what they
 have published so far is quite thin and only refers to the English
 Wikipedia, which is not helpful. Slate is not recognized as a reliable
 source by the Dutch Wikipedia, and this article, though interesting, does
 not touch on the participation gap in the Netherlands or indeed why it even
 matters. The Slate article is focused on an edit-war which is not really
 relevant to the larger community because as you say, though the language on
 talk pages in nlwiki can be very condescending or negative, it's generally
 not profane like this one. I do think from conversations I have had and
 research done by Aaron Halfaker and others, that the problem stems from the
 strange need to throw links to help pages

[Gendergap] Nice piece by Andrew Lih in NYT mentions gendergap

[Jane Darnell]

Another reliable source for use in the Gendergap Wikipedia article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/opinion/can-wikipedia-survive.html
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Re: [Gendergap] Retired

[Jane Darnell]

I wish you all the best, and thanks for your efforts!

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:35 AM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:

 Due to off-wiki harassment, I have retired. Thank you to those of you who
 have been friendly with me over the past year.

 Lightbreather


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Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

[Jane Darnell]

Interesting, thanks for the links! We also now have mix-n-match and Charles
Matthews has matched the complete Oxford Dictionary of National Biography,
With autolist I could probably look at those male-female ratios per
occupation. Might be interesting. I don't know how to get at the deleted 
recreated data though

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Joseph Reagle joseph.2...@reagle.org
wrote:

 On 04/13/2015 01:18 PM, Jane Darnell wrote:
  Actually I think it would be useful to measure all existing female bios
  vs all existing male bios for the proportion of those which have been
  previously deleted and recreated. I have a theory that it is much more
  difficult to create bios of females in whatever category due to the
  systemic academic bias aginst including women's biographies in the list
  of reliable sources mostly used in Wikipedia. I would be especially
  interested in comparison of male-female ration of bios in established
  dictionaries of biography and how these compare to Wikipedia, and of
  those, how many such bios were previously deleted on Wikipedia and
  recreated.

 Hi Jane, I've done comparative work on coverage bias in biographies
 between WP and Britannica [1]. I've also shared my data [2] with an
 author of [3] who is extending that  analysis to include structural,
 lexical, and visibility bias. I think addressing deletion and recreation
 wouldn't be too hard...

 [1]: http://ijoc.org/index.php/ijoc/article/view/777/631
 [2]: http://reagle.org/joseph/2010/06/gender/results
 [3]: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.06307v1.pdf

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Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

[Jane Darnell]

Actually I think it would be useful to measure all existing female bios vs
all existing male bios for the proportion of those which have been
previously deleted and recreated. I have a theory that it is much more
difficult to create bios of females in whatever category due to the
systemic academic bias aginst including women's biographies in the list of
reliable sources mostly used in Wikipedia. I would be especially
interested in comparison of male-female ration of bios in established
dictionaries of biography and how these compare to Wikipedia, and of those,
how many such bios were previously deleted on Wikipedia and recreated.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:02 PM, WereSpielChequers 
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Joseph,

 That would be fine for established articles, but in my experience most new
 bios that get speedy deleted within a day or two of creation don't ever get
 an infobox added.



 Regards

 Jonathan Cardy


  On 13 Apr 2015, at 13:56, Joseph Reagle joseph.2...@reagle.org wrote:
 
  On 04/12/2015 03:38 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote:
  2015-04-12 21:18 GMT+02:00 WereSpielChequers
  werespielchequ...@gmail.com mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com:
 
 Firstly looking at gender ratios of deleted and undeleted bios to
 see if there is an overall gender skew.
 
  I share here this page of deleted and recreated pages
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/Deletionism/2011 just in case
  someone wants to explore that.
 
  I have python code that's pretty good at guessing the gender of
  biographical subjects, but originally it scraped HTML given a list of
  names. If someone had some code for retrieving the wikitext and
  determining that it is a biography (neither of which would be hard) it
  would be very easy to determine. Here's some pseudocode:
 
  ```
  #!/usr/bin/python2.7
 
  def is_bio(article):
 '''TRUE if article is not '{{hsdis}}' and has '{{infobox person}}'''
 
  for title in titles:
 males = females = unknowns = 0
 if title_exists:
 article = get_wiki(title)
 if is_bio(article):
 gender = guess_gender(article)
 print('%s: %s' %(title, gender))
 if gender = male:
 males += 1
 else gender = female
 females += 1
 else:
 unknowns += 1
  print('males = %s; females = %s; unknowns = %s'
 %(males, females , unknowns))
  ```
 
 
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Re: [Gendergap] Closing the gendergap in biographies on Wikipedia

[Jane Darnell]

Romaine,
Yes, I totally agree - we all love lists! Unfortunately it is pretty hard
to do this well. I did create some red link lists for artists to use in
the Art  Feminism edit-a-thons last year and this year that were based on
female artists from cities where there were going to be edit-a-thons. Since
there is so much data on Wikidata, I also queried all female artists
without sitelinks to the English Wikiepedia and just picked the items with
the lowest numbers, as those are generally the oldest articles with the
most interlinked entries. In that list however, there are at least two
items that were previously deleted on the English Wikipedia due to
non-notability and also a few fictional characters.

Next I tried a different tack and queried for female artists with articles
sitelinked from Wikidata in all three of the French, the German, and the
Polish Wikipedia's but with no sitelink to the English Wikipedia. That
query only came up with three names though. You might try it for the Dutch
Wikipedia using this query  CLAIM[21:6581072] and
claim[106:(TREE[483501][][279])] and rerunning it for each language you
want to test the sitelinks on.

On the other hand, the Dutch Wikipedia may want to follow the example set
by the Swedish Wikipedia, which appears to be stubbing up lots of important
lists of females in general, including the Dutch Digitaal Vrouwenlexicon. I
suppose it's probably a good idea to make short stubs for all women indexed
in National Biography indexes if this is somehow possible.

Jane



On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 What we should do is to create a top 100 or top 500 list of women
 important or much known for each country in the world.

 Such list would invite people to write more about them.

 If we create an overview, it is more likely that the missing articles and
 wikidata items will be created.

 Romaine

 Op dinsdag 31 maart 2015 heeft Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com het
 volgende geschreven:
  Lennart,
  You have every reason to be proud and I honestly don't know why, I can
 only report the what. It takes a bit of handwork, but after downloading
 all of the matched databases from Mix-n-Match, you can then take dumps from
 Wikidata using autolist per language that include sitelinks to those
 languages. My suspicion is that at the end of the day, if you are playing
 the numbers game, the English Wikipedia wins at having the most women.
 However, those are mostly women who were active in the US. Even Britain is
 missing huge sweeps of notable women in the English Wikipedia (and see the
 work for the scientists as an example). What the Swedes have I believe,
 that other language wikis lack for some reason, is a goal for coverage of
 notable topics regardless of priority, and then, as an extra step, the
 desire to cover these at some basic minimum in Wikidata. Otherwise I can't
 explain it. Perhaps svwiki has successfully absorbed complete versions of
 various international dictionaries of national biography for other nations?
  To be clear, when I say percentage of women, I mean percentage
 measurable with autolist from Wikidata of female biographies in any arts
 field as a percentage of total human biographies in that field of artists
 on that Wikipedia. Wikidata is far from complete, and not all biographies
 have been fleshed out with 4+ statements on Wikidata.
  Jane
  On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
 l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  It made me very proud to read this:
 
  Already I am finding that the Swedish Wikipedia has the highest
 percentage of female vs male across the board in any arts field, followed
 by the Russian Wikipedia.
 
  But where do these figures come from and can you be more exact? Thanks
 in advance.
 
  Also, this thread is very interesting. I am following it closely.
 
 
  Best wishes,
 
  Lennart Guldbrandsson
 
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  Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:17:49 -0700
  From: isa...@gmail.com
  To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
  Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Closing the gendergap in biographies on
 Wikipedia
 
  Jane,
 
  Thanks for your thoughtful response. I agree completely that mixing up
 editor and biography gender biases is dangerous and maybe not true. On the
 statistics side its really intriguing to read about your much closer
 analyses of different Wikipedias. I would like have computers help humans
 make more of these types of discoveries. Thanks for all your effort and
 feedback.
 
  Make a great day,
  Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/
 
  On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Max,
  Hmm

Re: [Gendergap] Closing the gendergap in biographies on Wikipedia

[Jane Darnell]

Lennart,
You have every reason to be proud and I honestly don't know why, I can only
report the what. It takes a bit of handwork, but after downloading all of
the matched databases from Mix-n-Match, you can then take dumps from
Wikidata using autolist per language that include sitelinks to those
languages. My suspicion is that at the end of the day, if you are playing
the numbers game, the English Wikipedia wins at having the most women.
However, those are mostly women who were active in the US. Even Britain is
missing huge sweeps of notable women in the English Wikipedia (and see the
work for the scientists as an example). What the Swedes have I believe,
that other language wikis lack for some reason, is a goal for coverage of
notable topics regardless of priority, and then, as an extra step, the
desire to cover these at some basic minimum in Wikidata. Otherwise I can't
explain it. Perhaps svwiki has successfully absorbed complete versions of
various international dictionaries of national biography for other nations?

To be clear, when I say percentage of women, I mean percentage
measurable with autolist from Wikidata of female biographies in any arts
field as a percentage of total human biographies in that field of artists
on that Wikipedia. Wikidata is far from complete, and not all biographies
have been fleshed out with 4+ statements on Wikidata.

Jane

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 It made me very proud to read this:

 Already I am finding that the Swedish Wikipedia has the highest
 percentage of female vs male across the board in any arts field, followed
 by the Russian Wikipedia.

 But where do these figures come from and can you be more exact? Thanks in
 advance.

 Also, this thread is very interesting. I am following it closely.


 Best wishes,

 Lennart Guldbrandsson

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 From: isa...@gmail.com
 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Closing the gendergap in biographies on Wikipedia

 Jane,

 Thanks for your thoughtful response. I agree completely that mixing up
 editor and biography gender biases is dangerous and maybe not true. On the
 statistics side its really intriguing to read about your much closer
 analyses of different Wikipedias. I would like have computers help humans
 make more of these types of discoveries. Thanks for all your effort and
 feedback.

 Make a great day,
 Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Max,
 Hmm, interesting proposal! I am not sure whether it can be very useful as
 it reads now. I have thought a lot about this and have looked at the
 concept painter pretty carefully. Yes there is a gendergap in the data as
 it is generated on a daily basis, but no, I am not convinced this is
 related to the Wikipedia gendergap in the sense of you need women to write
 biographies of women.  In fact, some of the most thoughtful biographies of
 women are written by men and you could maybe say that our biographies of
 men may improve if we get more women on board editing. There is however, a
 tipping point when it comes to writing about women on Wikipedia. In my work
 on female stub creation I have seen lots of examples where the stub existed
 and was deleted due to notability concerns. Lots of experienced editors
 (myself included) will only bother to write an article, even if it's just a
 stub, when the likelihood of having the article stick is judged to be at
 some mysterious level. I think we need some policy guidelines and some
 stats about how many articles about women were previously deleted. This may
 help us determine what the academic bias barrier is in accumulating
 female biographies in general.

 When I think of what I would like in terms of Wikipedia Gender Index
 Tools, I would like to see, per country of birth or per occupation or per
 external database, how the percentage of female vs male is across language
 Wikipedias. Already I am finding that the Swedish Wikipedia has the highest
 percentage of female vs male across the board in any arts field, followed
 by the Russian Wikipedia. The English Wikipedia is somewhere in the middle
 and the Italians are the biggest loser (but maybe also with the longest
 history of art historical terms that are documented, which could lead to a
 higher percentage

Re: [Gendergap] Do I sound gay?

[Jane Darnell]

Fae,
Interesting, thanks! I will try to go see it.
Jane

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you get a chance to see this film/documentary I can recommend it,
 interesting and funny. The film (funded via Kickstarter) had its
 European premier this week at BFI Flare, you can find information on
 the director's website and see the trailer on Vimeo.[1][2]

 One point made by some of the gay men interviewed, was that the
 internalized homophobia of not wanting to use a non-effeminate voice
 came from the misogynistic attitudes imprinted during childhood on all
 men, that a masculine voice was a good thing as it grants power and
 authority.

 These are difficult areas to write about or to find good sources for.
 It is no surprise that the section about effeminacy and gay men on the
 English Wikipedia is both short and out of date.[3]

 Links
 1. http://www.doisoundgay.com
 2. https://vimeo.com/93323057
 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effeminacy

 Fae
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Re: [Gendergap] Some motivation (:

[Jane Darnell]

Kerry,
Thanks for that effort and I totally agree. Dyed-in-the-wool Wikipedians
quickly develop a blind eye for other ways of approaching the topic of an
edit-a-thon and it is the fresh perspective of the attendees that keeps us
up-to-date and challenges the workflows we currently keep in place. So
whether or not those attendees go on to become Wikipedians, edit-a-thons
remain a very productive tool for bringing Wikipedians together with their
reading public in focused topic areas.

Jane

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com
wrote:

  Well, I hope you will all be delighted to hear I have just pushed out
 some of the first articles created as part of Australian Women of
 Neuroscience 2014




 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Australian_Women_of_Neuroscience_2014



 I didn’t support the event personally so I am not quite sure why the
 articles were still sitting user space months after the event, but the
 organiser just asked me to help get them live so I did a bit of a clean-up
 and moved them into the mainspace. I believe there are a lot more articles
 but waiting for the organiser to point me at them.



 While these kind of edit-a-thons don’t seem to create ongoing editors,
 they do at least create some content in under-represented areas: women
 scientists in this case.



 Kerry




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 *From:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
 gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Pine W
 *Sent:* Thursday, 26 March 2015 2:24 PM
 *To:* Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
 participationof women within Wikimedia projects.
 *Subject:* [Gendergap] Some motivation (:



 Quoted from the publicly logged #wikimedia-office IRC channel, and
 emailing with the consent of Emily:

 [17:14:19] harej Finnegan: or in emily's case, there are not enough
 articles on women scientists. this is an outrage to us.

 [17:15:19] Finnegan i am now enjoying a mental image of her delivering a
 podium-pounding speech to rouse the feminists

 [17:15:52] marktraceur I want you to get up, walk to your windows, throw
 them open, and yell I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M GOING TO WRITE ARTICLES ABOUT
 WOMEN SCIENTISTS

 [17:15:54] ragesoss DOWN WITH THE PATRIARCHY

 [17:16:46] Finnegan marktraceur: i think you honestly just summarized
 her operating philosophy. If only everyone could channel their anger like
 that...

 I thought (and apparently other people do as well!) that Emily's approach
 is quite motivational! (:


 Pine



 This is an Encyclopedia https://www.wikipedia.org/








 * One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
 our past, in which we must delve The well of our future, The clear water we
 must leave untainted for those who come after us, The fertile earth, in
 which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands, And the broad
 fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not
 know. —Catherine Munro *

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[Gendergap] Closing the gendergap in biographies on Wikipedia

[Jane Darnell]

Hi everyone, I have been checking how we are doing on closing the gendergap
on biographies of women artists for a while. Part of the problem is
collecting the data, and Wikidata is a great help. Unfortunately there are
still lots of women artists with Wikidata items without any statements at
all, but since this is also true for male artists, looking at the stats is
useful. What I did was to collect data for all female artists and all male
artist and came up with percentages for painters versus various matched
data bases in Mix-n-Match.

Thanks to our push on Art  Feminism, the score is better (12.5%) on
Wikimedia projects than for the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography
(10.1%). The ODNB is currently the only database that is completely
matched. The other databases are still being matched, but still, it's
interesting to see how we currently stand with those. Here are the scores:

Wikidata painters - 12.5%: 45016 male, 6430 female
RKD - 11.4%: 21809 male, 2795 female
United List of Artist Names - 8.6%: 32993 male, 3091 female
BBC Your Paintings - 7.7%: 6535 male, 545 female
Oxford Dictionary of National Biography - 10.1%: 49419 male, 5581 female

http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/

These stats were gathered this morning using Autolist:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html
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Re: [Gendergap] Inspire Campaign launches today!

[Jane Darnell]

Yes and all of those numbers are just about the English Wikipedia. The
Dutch Wikipedia has only 6% of its editors who identify as female

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Su-Laine Brodsky sulai...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I too am uncomfortable with the under 20% message. I would say around
 10% according to the most recent editor survey.

 In 2011, the WMF set a target of having 25 percent of its contributors
 identifying as female by 2015. The under 20% message may give the
 impression that we are almost there.

 Re:
   (personally, I prefer the wording less than one in five which is
 mathematically identical but a bit
  better at avoiding to evoke the kind of false sense of precision that
 has developed about this topic at times).

 The highest reasonable estimate we have is 16.1% (2008 survey data
 corrected for sampling bias by Hill and Shaw). That is less than one in six.

 Cheers,
 Su-Laine Brodsky (née Su-Laine Yeo)




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Re: [Gendergap] Upcoming Women's History Month edit-a-thons in San Francisco

[Jane Darnell]

Rosie,
I just updated the Women artists project on the English Wikipedia and
included lists of redlinks from last year's Art and Feminism edit-a-thon,
along with a list of redlinks from Wikidata. One of the lists is of artists
active in San Francisco (from the rkd - ULAN will give more results I bet).
I took your advice that you wrote on the WikiProject X page and included
artworks in the project, as we want the bios on women artists, but also
lists of works and individual articles on the artworks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_artists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_artists/Worklist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_artists/San_Francisco_artists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_artists/Redlinks_from_Wikidata

hope it's useful,
Jane

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:07 AM, Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight 
rosiestep.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 In celebration of WikiWomen's History Month, the San Francisco Bay Area
 Wikipedia community has two events in early March -- please consider
 attending! Remote participants are welcome.

 First, we have an ArtAndFeminism edit-a-thon, which will take place at the
 Kadist Art Foundation from 12 noon to 6pm on Saturday, March 7. This will
 be one of many sites worldwide participating in an ArtAndFeminism edit-a-thon
 on March 7th. So join us as we help improve Wikipedia's coverage of women
 artists and their works!

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/San_Francisco/ArtandFeminism_2015

 Second, we will be celebrating International Women's Day (March 8th) with
 the International Women's Day edit-a-thon on Sunday, March 8 from 1pm to
 5pm at the Wikimedia Foundation. Our editing focus will be on women, of
 course! Light snacks will be provided, as well as fun and great
 camaraderie.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/San_Francisco/International_Women%27s_Day_2015

 Hope to see you there!

 Rosie


 Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep
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Re: [Gendergap] Feminists aim to fix the Wikipedia gender gap

[Jane Darnell]

Yes, very good story! Nice work

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:


 http://dailyuw.com/archive/2015/02/16/news/feminists-aim-fix-wikipedia-gender-gap#.VONoci58uSo
 Feminists aim to fix the Wikipedia gender gap

 Good story about Amanda and Monika's edit-a-thon!

 CM

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers

[Jane Darnell]

In 2013 the Dutch Wikimedia chapter hired an external party to conduct a
survey and the results (translated to English) are here:
https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Motivaction_report_translation_v02.pdf

The study was split into two parts; one on the contributors and one on the
users, aka readers. Users were 50/50 male female (page 51), contributors
were 88% male, 6% female, and 6% would not say (page 26)

On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Yana Welinder y...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 What are some good studies of the gender of Wikipedia readers?

 Thanks,
 Yana


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[Gendergap] Please help prepare for the international Art Feminism Challenge 7 8 March

[Jane Darnell]

Hi everyone,
Please help me create lists and categories on the English Wikipedia that
may inspire people to write articles on their own native Wikipedia during
the challenge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Challenge

Such lists and categories can be used as resources for potential
contributors to the Gendergap area of Art  Feminism articles at any time,
not just for this weekend-a-thon.

Gendergap articles in terms of art are female artist biographies, but also
articles about works of art by women, art exhibitions about for or by
women, female art collectors, female museum founders, etc.

I have been working to add a few lists to this category which is
overwhelmingly male:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_works_of_art

I have also been working on adding a few categories to this category, again
overwhelmingly male:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Paintings_by_artist

As a reminder, most articles about female artists on the English Wikipedia
are about artists who lived and worked in the US. The story of women in the
arts is way more international than that. Help me help others tell this
story!

Some stats according to the data from the CLARA database of the National
Museum of Women in the Arts, as indexed on Mix-n-Match thanks to Magnus
here:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/

Total number of Wikidata items matched to Clara entries for women: 2141
Total number of Wikidata items with sitelinks to enwiki 1789
dewiki 782
frwiki 623
eswiki 403
ruwiki 311
itwiki 296
nlwiki 286
svwiki 284
plwiki 230

Happy editing,
Jane
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Re: [Gendergap] Thank someone today.

[Jane Darnell]

Well Jonathan, thanks for doing that! I am not an administrator, so I
couldn't do those things you mentioned, but I often think that in some
cases I wish I could do more than just thank the person. I know however
that I was very suspicious of anyone posting on my talk page in the
beginning, so I feel like the generic thanks is the best way to approach
someone the first time. If someone comes across my watchlist a few times
with I perceive as a theme, then I will tip them about how to do basic
things like create a category on commons for related images, or fill out
the Wikidata item, or browse similar items in Reasonator.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:50 AM, WereSpielChequers 
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 Much of my editing on wikipedia is minor typo fixes, the sort that a
 normal spellchecker won't pick up. I secularised lots of sports teams from
 having mangers to managers and also dealt with the problem of rock stars
 preforming songs in sports stadiums. I used to be able to do hundreds of
 such edits without anyone seeming to notice any except where they had
 missed the l from public. But now I get thanked for several percent of my
 edits, I think that is a really positive change on the pedia, of course the
 metrics people will take it as a negative because some of those thanks will
 be replacing edits, so the short term effect on the editing level is likely
 to be slightly negative.

 I do tend to check out who has thanked me and make sure the newbies who do
 so have had a welcome and give the ignored old hands reviewer status if I
 think they are ready for it.

 One of the most dysfunctional bits of the project is the way that people
 can do huge amounts of uncontentious stuff with very little interaction
 with others. I sometimes trawl the accounts who have recently created their
 100th article and where appropriate set them as auto patrolled, often when
 i look at their talk pages the interactions they've had have been minimal.

 Regards

 Jonathan Cardy


 On 5 Feb 2015, at 00:11, Keilana keilanaw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I love the thanks button, it's such an easy way to add more positivity to
 the wiki and the world. :)

 On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Katherine Casey 
 fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have found myself using the thank button more than usual recently. In
 the middle of all the turmoil that goes on onwiki, a simple hey, that
 thing you did that you thought no one noticed? Yeah, thanks for doing that
 goes a long way toward cancelling some of it out.

 On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:52 PM, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree, Kerry. I try to use the thank button at least once a day.

 Lightbreather

 On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 We talk a lot of about the culture of Wikipedia being negative,
 critical,
 abrasive etc; this is a turn-off to a lot of women (and also to a lot of
 men). But what can we do to change that? Well, I thought about the way
 that
 postings get Liked on Facebook. Indeed, most postings get many Likes on
 Facebook. It seems if you read something and appreciate the post in any
 way
 (which includes when you agree with the poster that it is unhappy
 matter and
 hence unlikeable matter), you click Like.

 Well, I decided to try it on Wikipedia. Now, when I run through my
 watchlist
 (which I do most mornings), instead of just looking for what's wrong and
 needs to be fixed, instead if I see a positive contribution to an
 article,
 even a small one, I thank the contributor for the edit.

 And if I notice I am thanking someone quite a bit, I send them some
 Wikilove
 or a Barnstar. I notice a small increase in the number of thanks I am
 receiving. While I realise this may be simple reciprocation, I'd like to
 think I might be creating a small culture of appreciation in my topic
 space,
 hoping that people choose to Pay It Forward.

 So, that's my suggestion. Try thanking people on-wiki in the various
 ways
 available.  Become part of the niceness culture that we'd like
 Wikipedia to
 become known for.

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Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature

[Jane Darnell]

Siko,
Thanks! I too am very curious what our outcomes will be 78 March. From my
experience this will be next to zero for new editors, but it could be quite
a lot for experienced editors. I took a look at the edit-a-thon toolkit but
we won't be requesting any funding and I don't understand how to set up a
cohort. Personally I will probably just be working on setting up some
infrastructure beforehand and literally just write and monitor the hangout
all weekend long. I don't expect to be collecting any new usernames.

Right now I am working on lists of artworks by women, in case someone gets
inspired to write an article about one of the many artworks created by
women. I hope that others are working in their own languages on similar
lists and we get to see some article translations happening.
Best,
Jane

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:35 AM, Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 I'm excited to see what comes from WMNL's events, Jane!

 In terms of the 5 editors for 5 months metric, here's one more
 benchmark, taken from Keilana's reporting on regular social edit-a-thons
 for women at Loyola:


 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_Scientists_Workshop_Development/Final#Progress_towards_targets_and_goals

 From the report:
 I held social editing workshops at Loyola 7 times over 3 months, with
 around 5-8 people (96% women) per session, and 7 women formed a core
 editing group that came to most sections. Together, we created 72
 articles.  She notes that only 1 participant turned into a born
 Wikipedian who edited outside of the regular events, though.

 WMF's program evaluation team told me that, compared to other editing
 workshops they'd looked at (
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Evaluation_reports/2013/Editing_workshops),
 this project's impact in terms of recruiting women and converting them into
 editors was achieved at a higher rate.

 It feels like we're still missing lots of data for setting good benchmarks
 though. I tend to think that the more we use similar evaluation tools and
 share reports back into the pool, the smarter we'll all get about
 addressing the gender gap.

 To that end, echoing the suggestion to visit the program evaluation portal:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation

 Cheers!
 Siko



 On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:57 PM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote:

 yes, Wikimedia DC was using some opt in tracking of editathons outcomes.
 and reporting activity in annual report
 http://wikimediadc.org/wiki/Annual_report_%282012%E2%80%932013%29

 there are some case studies at GLAM wiki

 https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Case_studies/Archives_of_American_Art/2014_Update

 but the evaluation team has the tools and methods
 they have a portal

 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/29/evaluation-portal-on-meta-a-redesigned-space-for-learning/

 jim hayes


 On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
 l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I think that the evaluation team are working on other tools as well, but
 I am not sure. We haven't used their tools for our editathons, although
 they are probably better than our self-edited stats, since our goal is also
 to have fun :-)


 Best wishes,

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 From: jane...@gmail.com
 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and
 literature

 Thanks! I was told we are using some tools internally to track specific
 edit-a-thon outcomes - is this what you mean? We want to track more than
 just edit-a-thon outcomes though

 On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
 l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Very cool! Good luck to you. Just a quick response to the first question:

 I definitely think it's doable to get 5 editors to stay on for 5 months.
 The evaluation team should be able to help you with tools and guides to
 measure this.

 My advice is to use the person-to-person method. That is, you invite a
 few female friends. Some will find it interesting. Make sure that it's a
 friendly space they come to. And some will come back. If you're a few
 regular people doing this, 5 should be on the low side for the Netherlands.
 We have about done it in Sweden without much effort, and with a little
 effort we could make it 10 (it's just been a busy time for me and a few
 others in the regular group).




 

Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature

[Jane Darnell]

Thanks! I was told we are using some tools internally to track specific
edit-a-thon outcomes - is this what you mean? We want to track more than
just edit-a-thon outcomes though

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Very cool! Good luck to you. Just a quick response to the first question:

 I definitely think it's doable to get 5 editors to stay on for 5 months.
 The evaluation team should be able to help you with tools and guides to
 measure this.

 My advice is to use the person-to-person method. That is, you invite a few
 female friends. Some will find it interesting. Make sure that it's a
 friendly space they come to. And some will come back. If you're a few
 regular people doing this, 5 should be on the low side for the Netherlands.
 We have about done it in Sweden without much effort, and with a little
 effort we could make it 10 (it's just been a busy time for me and a few
 others in the regular group).




 Best wishes,

 Lennart Guldbrandsson

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 From: jane...@gmail.com
 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and
 literature

 Hi Lennart and others,
 We had a short meeting yesterday in Utrecht to discuss the Gendergap and
 also our plans for the upcoming Art  Feminism weekend of 7  8 March.
 Wikimedia Netherlands will co-host an edit-a-thon at the Amsterdam
 Stedelijk Museum and we also plan to host an international writing
 challenge lasting the entire weekend, directed at experienced challenge
 writers. Since WMNL has also set aside some funding for Gendergap this
 year, we were also talking about other plans. One thing that we decided to
 do is to set aside one Wiki-Saturday per month for the Gendergap in all
 of its Wiki(p/m)edia aspects, but with the emphasis on the social side of
 things as an in-person meetup. We will be announcing the Saturday meetups
 in the Stedelijk venue.

 Based on our meeting, I have done some searching around and have the
 following questions:
 1) I was wondering if anyone had any measurable outcomes for such an
 investment of time and funds? We tentatively had a year-target of
 attracting 5 new women editors that remain active for at least 5 months. I
 have doubts whether this is measurable or even realistic.
 Thoughts anyone?
 2) I noticed that though we seem to have lots of women artists on
 Wikipedia, we are still missing articles about their artworks or  list
 articles of their artworks. In a category on the English Wikipedia for
 Lists of works of art I noted an odd mish-mash of lists which include
 lists of works by 66 men and only 4 women (I just created the list for
 Judith Leyster and hope to make list articles for two more Dutch women
 artists before March). Would anyone here be interested in building a list
 of their favorite female artist? This will be a nice-to-have for 78 March
 writers browsing for something to write about, as most museums have works
 by women in the collections, but they are just not on show. If a work is in
 one of the national museums it is encyclopedic enough to write about.

 Thanks in advance!
 Jane

 On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
 l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote:

 My draft is now up at:


 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Regular_editathons_in_Sweden_about_women_and_literature

 Anyone who wants to help with grammar and other language stuff (English is
 my second language after all), feel free. Your help is appreciated.


 Best wishes,

 Lennart Guldbrandsson

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Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

[Jane Darnell]

Hmm. I stopped editing the Dutch Wikipedia because it just wasn't any fun
anymore. I would never say I experienced barriers to entry or that there
were barriers to continued participation. It is more that there was a
continuous vacuum of silence that made participation feel like I was on an
island all of the time. I was never invited to the discussion table on any
specific subject, and if I stumbled across one, once there, my replies to
statements were never answered directly, but indirectly in replies to
others. I was never addressed personally and asked for an opinion. That
doesn't happen regularly on Commons or the English Wikipedia either, but I
feel much less on an island in bth of those projects and much more a part
of a community. Any contribution I made to an ongoing discussion on the
Dutch Wikipedia just stopped the discussion altogether or was simply
ignored. I vaguely remember a few deletion discussions where my objections
were brushed off with ridiculous arguments - so ridiculous that I wouldn't
know what to reply in all seriousness. Of course I can't back this up with
diffs and it is just a feeling, but it's because of the feeling that I
stopped contributing. I guess I also got tired of always linking to
redlinks in my area of interest - there are just more people working in my
area of interest on the English Wikipedia, so that I feel I can lean more
on the work of others.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:

  This point is so important I gave it its own subject line.  Perhaps this
 language can be worked into the statement of purpose of all the WMF Gender
 gap projects...  I also think Kerry should turn her whole excellent
 statement into an essay for the WMF site and it should be linked from GGTF
 main page.

 On 12/29/2014 4:07 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:



 Does it matter? Believe me, a lot of people get really stuck at this point
 and frame it as “well, if women don’t want to edit Wikipedia, does it
 really matter? It’s their choice, isn’t it?” This is something that really
 needs to get reframed. Yes, of course, many women don’t Wikipedia because
 they simply aren’t interested in doing so (ditto many men). But there are
 barriers to entry and barriers to continued participation by women who are
 interested in doing so compared to men. Try to reframe it “are women
 equally able to edit Wikipedia” or “are there barriers to women editing?”.



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Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

[Jane Darnell]

I do call the Dutch Wikipedia a hostile editing environment, but I am not
convinced that environment is more hostile to women than to men. It is
decidedly hostile to all newcomers and all outsiders, where I would
consider outsiders to be people who make edits less often than once per
month.

I never thought about whether women get the silent treatment more than men,
butif they do, this could just be a byproduct of women having an innate
interest in things more appealing to women than to men, and with a female
editor population of 6%, someone with those interests is more likely to get
the silent treatment just because of female editor scarcity. That said, it
is also quite possible that the silent treatment is some sort of symptom of
discrimination, though I would need to see some numbers to be convinced of
it.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:

  Good points, Jane  Part of a hostile editing environment is the either
 they ignore you or they insult you phenomena. I'm sure a lot of women do
 quit for just the reason Jane describes - being ignored.

 I got that quoted phrase from a woman complaining about it in some
 mainstream article a few years ago. That made a lot of my experiences in
 email finally comprehensible.   I found if I came up with a good idea, I
 was ignored.  If I said something a bit outrageous in conjunction with that
 idea, some people might actually note the idea and comment on it, among all
 the outraged guys complaining about whatever (unladylike?) comment I made
 in conjunction with it.

 By the time I came to Wikipedia I was aware of that behavior and trying to
 find new strategies to get appropriate attention.  Of course, on Wikipedia
 one doesn't have to go out of one's way to get attention if one regularly
 practices correcting editors, reverting them, seeking third opinions or
 going to noticeboards, any of which some editors also consider outrageous -
 particularly if the editor is perceived as being a women.

 Of course, if the editors in a specific culture - as where Jane was
 editing - choose to ignore women even when they are disagreeing with them
 or, in their eyes, acting outrageous, then that observation would not hold.

 CM


 On 12/30/2014 10:21 AM, Jane Darnell wrote:

 Hmm. I stopped editing the Dutch Wikipedia because it just wasn't any fun
 anymore. I would never say I experienced barriers to entry or that there
 were barriers to continued participation. It is more that there was a
 continuous vacuum of silence that made participation feel like I was on an
 island all of the time. I was never invited to the discussion table on any
 specific subject, and if I stumbled across one, once there, my replies to
 statements were never answered directly, but indirectly in replies to
 others. I was never addressed personally and asked for an opinion. That
 doesn't happen regularly on Commons or the English Wikipedia either, but I
 feel much less on an island in bth of those projects and much more a part
 of a community. Any contribution I made to an ongoing discussion on the
 Dutch Wikipedia just stopped the discussion altogether or was simply
 ignored. I vaguely remember a few deletion discussions where my objections
 were brushed off with ridiculous arguments - so ridiculous that I wouldn't
 know what to reply in all seriousness. Of course I can't back this up with
 diffs and it is just a feeling, but it's because of the feeling that I
 stopped contributing. I guess I also got tired of always linking to
 redlinks in my area of interest - there are just more people working in my
 area of interest on the English Wikipedia, so that I feel I can lean more
 on the work of others.

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
 wrote:

  This point is so important I gave it its own subject line.  Perhaps
 this language can be worked into the statement of purpose of all the WMF
 Gender gap projects...  I also think Kerry should turn her whole excellent
 statement into an essay for the WMF site and it should be linked from GGTF
 main page.

 On 12/29/2014 4:07 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:



 Does it matter? Believe me, a lot of people get really stuck at this
 point and frame it as “well, if women don’t want to edit Wikipedia, does it
 really matter? It’s their choice, isn’t it?” This is something that really
 needs to get reframed. Yes, of course, many women don’t Wikipedia because
 they simply aren’t interested in doing so (ditto many men). But there are
 barriers to entry and barriers to continued participation by women who are
 interested in doing so compared to men. Try to reframe it “are women
 equally able to edit Wikipedia” or “are there barriers to women editing?”.



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Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

[Jane Darnell]

Sorry to read that, Sarah. But maybe you just need a new project! I must
admit I make way more edits on Wikidata than anywhere else these days - I
believe that is where I can make the most effective contribution. I can't
resist writing articles on Wikipedia now and then though.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Yeah..I don't edit as much as I used to on Wikipedia now. I am obsessed
 with Wikidata and doing more work in Commons again (shocker). :) It's been
 a while since i've even written an article. But, i do edit each day, just
 little things, not as prolific as I once was. I'd gladly do it if I was a
 Wikipedian in Residence again, I like having missions...and I'm burnt out
 on writing about women on Wikipedia. And most of the major projects I've
 started or been involved in have been completed to the point where I'm no
 longer interested.

 It just wears me out. I feel like every place I step on Wikipedia could
 lead to me getting harassed or called out on something or  whatever..it's
 like walking on egg shells. This coming from a person who helped lead the
 fight in creating 'nice' culture on Wikipedia. People just can't let things
 go, and it just thwarts the energy and passion I have towards editing
 myself.

 But, i've had the pleasure of helping women around the world learn how to
 edit, so I guess that whole idea of cloning myself sort of worked :)

 -Sarah

 -Sarah

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
 wrote:

  Good points, Jane  Part of a hostile editing environment is the either
 they ignore you or they insult you phenomena. I'm sure a lot of women do
 quit for just the reason Jane describes - being ignored.

 I got that quoted phrase from a woman complaining about it in some
 mainstream article a few years ago. That made a lot of my experiences in
 email finally comprehensible.   I found if I came up with a good idea, I
 was ignored.  If I said something a bit outrageous in conjunction with that
 idea, some people might actually note the idea and comment on it, among all
 the outraged guys complaining about whatever (unladylike?) comment I made
 in conjunction with it.

 By the time I came to Wikipedia I was aware of that behavior and trying
 to find new strategies to get appropriate attention.  Of course, on
 Wikipedia one doesn't have to go out of one's way to get attention if one
 regularly practices correcting editors, reverting them, seeking third
 opinions or going to noticeboards, any of which some editors also consider
 outrageous - particularly if the editor is perceived as being a women.

 Of course, if the editors in a specific culture - as where Jane was
 editing - choose to ignore women even when they are disagreeing with them
 or, in their eyes, acting outrageous, then that observation would not hold.

 CM


 On 12/30/2014 10:21 AM, Jane Darnell wrote:

 Hmm. I stopped editing the Dutch Wikipedia because it just wasn't any fun
 anymore. I would never say I experienced barriers to entry or that there
 were barriers to continued participation. It is more that there was a
 continuous vacuum of silence that made participation feel like I was on an
 island all of the time. I was never invited to the discussion table on any
 specific subject, and if I stumbled across one, once there, my replies to
 statements were never answered directly, but indirectly in replies to
 others. I was never addressed personally and asked for an opinion. That
 doesn't happen regularly on Commons or the English Wikipedia either, but I
 feel much less on an island in bth of those projects and much more a part
 of a community. Any contribution I made to an ongoing discussion on the
 Dutch Wikipedia just stopped the discussion altogether or was simply
 ignored. I vaguely remember a few deletion discussions where my objections
 were brushed off with ridiculous arguments - so ridiculous that I wouldn't
 know what to reply in all seriousness. Of course I can't back this up with
 diffs and it is just a feeling, but it's because of the feeling that I
 stopped contributing. I guess I also got tired of always linking to
 redlinks in my area of interest - there are just more people working in my
 area of interest on the English Wikipedia, so that I feel I can lean more
 on the work of others.

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
  wrote:

  This point is so important I gave it its own subject line.  Perhaps
 this language can be worked into the statement of purpose of all the WMF
 Gender gap projects...  I also think Kerry should turn her whole excellent
 statement into an essay for the WMF site and it should be linked from GGTF
 main page.

 On 12/29/2014 4:07 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:



 Does it matter? Believe me, a lot of people get really stuck at this
 point and frame it as “well, if women don’t want to edit Wikipedia, does it
 really matter? It’s their choice, isn’t

Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

[Jane Darnell]

totally!

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Wikidata is the bommbbb!!

 :)

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry to read that, Sarah. But maybe you just need a new project! I must
 admit I make way more edits on Wikidata than anywhere else these days - I
 believe that is where I can make the most effective contribution. I can't
 resist writing articles on Wikipedia now and then though.

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yeah..I don't edit as much as I used to on Wikipedia now. I am obsessed
 with Wikidata and doing more work in Commons again (shocker). :) It's been
 a while since i've even written an article. But, i do edit each day, just
 little things, not as prolific as I once was. I'd gladly do it if I was a
 Wikipedian in Residence again, I like having missions...and I'm burnt out
 on writing about women on Wikipedia. And most of the major projects I've
 started or been involved in have been completed to the point where I'm no
 longer interested.

 It just wears me out. I feel like every place I step on Wikipedia could
 lead to me getting harassed or called out on something or  whatever..it's
 like walking on egg shells. This coming from a person who helped lead the
 fight in creating 'nice' culture on Wikipedia. People just can't let things
 go, and it just thwarts the energy and passion I have towards editing
 myself.

 But, i've had the pleasure of helping women around the world learn how
 to edit, so I guess that whole idea of cloning myself sort of worked :)

 -Sarah

 -Sarah

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Carol Moore dc 
 carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote:

  Good points, Jane  Part of a hostile editing environment is the
 either they ignore you or they insult you phenomena. I'm sure a lot of
 women do quit for just the reason Jane describes - being ignored.

 I got that quoted phrase from a woman complaining about it in some
 mainstream article a few years ago. That made a lot of my experiences in
 email finally comprehensible.   I found if I came up with a good idea, I
 was ignored.  If I said something a bit outrageous in conjunction with that
 idea, some people might actually note the idea and comment on it, among all
 the outraged guys complaining about whatever (unladylike?) comment I made
 in conjunction with it.

 By the time I came to Wikipedia I was aware of that behavior and trying
 to find new strategies to get appropriate attention.  Of course, on
 Wikipedia one doesn't have to go out of one's way to get attention if one
 regularly practices correcting editors, reverting them, seeking third
 opinions or going to noticeboards, any of which some editors also consider
 outrageous - particularly if the editor is perceived as being a women.

 Of course, if the editors in a specific culture - as where Jane was
 editing - choose to ignore women even when they are disagreeing with them
 or, in their eyes, acting outrageous, then that observation would not hold.

 CM


 On 12/30/2014 10:21 AM, Jane Darnell wrote:

 Hmm. I stopped editing the Dutch Wikipedia because it just wasn't any
 fun anymore. I would never say I experienced barriers to entry or that
 there were barriers to continued participation. It is more that there was a
 continuous vacuum of silence that made participation feel like I was on an
 island all of the time. I was never invited to the discussion table on any
 specific subject, and if I stumbled across one, once there, my replies to
 statements were never answered directly, but indirectly in replies to
 others. I was never addressed personally and asked for an opinion. That
 doesn't happen regularly on Commons or the English Wikipedia either, but I
 feel much less on an island in bth of those projects and much more a part
 of a community. Any contribution I made to an ongoing discussion on the
 Dutch Wikipedia just stopped the discussion altogether or was simply
 ignored. I vaguely remember a few deletion discussions where my objections
 were brushed off with ridiculous arguments - so ridiculous that I wouldn't
 know what to reply in all seriousness. Of course I can't back this up with
 diffs and it is just a feeling, but it's because of the feeling that I
 stopped contributing. I guess I also got tired of always linking to
 redlinks in my area of interest - there are just more people working in my
 area of interest on the English Wikipedia, so that I feel I can lean more
 on the work of others.

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Carol Moore dc 
 carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote:

  This point is so important I gave it its own subject line.  Perhaps
 this language can be worked into the statement of purpose of all the WMF
 Gender gap projects...  I also think Kerry should turn her whole excellent
 statement into an essay for the WMF site and it should be linked from GGTF
 main page.

 On 12/29/2014 4:07 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote

[Gendergap] Obama only took questions from women in his end-of-year press conference

[Jane Darnell]

According to this report Obama only took questions from women in his
end-of-year press conference. Anyone know what the story is behind this? I
find it notable that he omitted questions from major networks - are there
no women reporters for major networks? I spend a lot of time on the
gendergap in the arts but know little about journalism. Anyone know what
the male/female ratio is there?

http://jezebel.com/obama-only-took-women-reporters-questions-at-year-end-1673551416
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Re: [Gendergap] Moving forward

[Jane Darnell]

For the record: the percentage of female editors on the Dutch Wikipedia is
only 6%. In the Netherlands, edit-a-thons seem to be useless in terms of
recruitment vehicles and many long-term Wikipedians seem to have a
long-tail interest that they tend to spend most of their time editing.

The eternal limbo of rejection at the articles for creation queues is
thankfully not a problem anywhere except the English Wikipedia. I don't
think any other Wikipedia has anything like AfC, and I am continually
surprised to see it hasn't been stopped yet on the English Wikipedia, where
I believe it does way more harm than good.

The Dutch Wikipedia does suffer from an overwhelmingly confusing set of
policies that only seem to make sense to a tiny committee of editors that
have been on board since about 2005. No one has ever felt that anything
more is necessary to explain them than the policy pages themselves, which
are a confusing mess of contradictions.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Tim Davenport shoehu...@gmail.com wrote:

 In reply to Kerry Raymond's post...


 QUANTIFICATION

 If all the studies on female participation come up with low percentages
 around 10% but there are anecdotes of a significant undercount from
 Teahouse volunteers and such and if female participation at Wikimania
 approaches one-third, would that not seem to fortify my point that there is
 a need for reexamination of the magnitude of the gender gap? What is the
 exact magnitude of the female undercount (or the male overcount)?

 This does not even bring up the matter of dynamics — is the gender
 disparity changing over time, and if so, which direction is it moving?

 There is only one way to find this out: study, study, study, survey,
 survey, survey...

 That WMF has its own editor gender data from 2012 that it is not
 releasing, as has been intimated, is annoying. Still: why is the GGTF
 waiting for San Francisco at all? Why is quantification and surveying not a
 vital part of the task force's mission?

 That there is an editorial gender gap is beyond dispute. But how big is it
 really and how is it changing over time?


 PROACTIVE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION

 So if edit-a-thons don't work, as you indicate, why is the WMF still
 spending money on them? Is it mere symbolism?

 I have noted from working with a college class at WP that short-term class
 assignments don't seem to create long-term Wikipedians. Students being
 students, they slam out the minimum required right before deadline and move
 along with their lives. I don't know what does create long-term content
 people, other than a passion about SOMETHING and a desire to share the
 information. Vandal fighters and quality control people may have a
 different motivation.

 Let's assume for the sake of the discussion that there is NOTHING that can
 be done proactively to pick the needles out of the haystack — that it is
 impossible for any bureaucratic entity to identify and activate the small
 fraction of 1% of people that will eventually become long-term Wikipedia
 volunteers.

 This would mean that the needles are going to self-identify by
 registering at WP and beginning work under their own volition. Therefore,
 logically, primary attention should be focused on identifying and
 cultivating new editors every day, nurturing the newbies as they start to
 navigate the technical and cultural learning curves. In which case, Ms.
 Stierch's Teahouse concept is 100% right on the money.

 And that's where the gender gap can be addressed, by making sure that
 every effort is made to teach and acclimate female newcomers in particular.

 As for edit-a-thons and outreach recruiting, I personally believe that any
 recruitment that is not focused on teachers and academics will probably not
 produce lasting results. I'm also pretty well convinced that long term
 Wikipedians are made one at a time.

 Tim Davenport
 Carrite on WP
 Corvallis, OR



 =

 Kerry Raymond wrote:

 A.All the studies on female participation come up with low percentages
 around 10% plus or minus a few percent. Of course, it is possible that in
 all of the studies the women are choosing not to self-identify. It is an
 inherent difficulty in any study if people choose to not reveal information.
 But we know women make up large proportions of social media users, so if
 women’s participation in Wikipedia is actually higher than studies show due
 to reluctance to self-identify, it begs the question of why they are so
 unwilling to self-identify in the content of Wikipedia but not in other
 contexts. Either way, it points to some problem. The last Wikimania recently
 released data that does show a higher level of female participation, about 1
 in 3, I think. It would be interesting to see how the male/female numbers
 break down across the various types of attendees, e.g. WMF staff, Chapter
 members, event organisers, etc. My suspicion is that women are in higher
 proportion among staffers, chapters, etc and this skews the 

Re: [Gendergap] previous (structural) collaboration with organisations on women's history?

[Jane Darnell]

Hi Sandra,
I don't think there have been any in the past unless you count my
discussions with Els Kloek about the 1001 vrouwen project. She is not a
technical person and couldn't help me with the metadata but loves Wikipedia
and arranged for me to meet up with the Biografischportaal website manager
who could point me to their api. The 1001 vrouwen are all indexed through
that portal, and it includes lots more women for whom they haven't started
writing modern biographies yet.

I guess the closest thing in English is the CLARA database of the National
Museum of Women in the Arts, which is now indexed on Mix-n-Match thanks to
Magnus here:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/

Anyone can match on that and use it to clean up Wikidata items. If you have
any other databases like that then let's get them on Mix-n-Match too! BTW,
Sebastiaan uploaded the video of me explaining last Friday how to match in
Mix-n-Match here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpyM1MlwW2Ufeature=youtu.be

For the Wikidatans among you all, please also vote on a new property for
CLARA here:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#CLARA

Jane

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Sandra Fauconnier 
sandra.fauconn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 (This is still in the making, so no solid promises or plans yet.)

 In the Netherlands a small group of representatives of organisations that
 deal with women’s history is seriously brainstorming about a longer-term
 project to represent the Dutch women’s history better on Wikipedia.
 Together with a few other Dutch Wikipedians, I’m brainstorming together
 with them (and will probably help them during the actual process when the
 project takes off).

 At this moment, our plan is to narrow our focus to the subject of Dutch
 second-wave feminism and to ‘recruit’ university docents to do
 Wikipedia-oriented courses with students. We hope that a few enthusiastic
 university teachers will teach a term course on second-wave feminism
 (probably one term of the 2015-16 academic year), and that students will be
 asked to write or improve Wikipedia articles as an assignment.

 My question to this list is the following:
 The organisations’ representatives are curious whether there are any
 earlier, similar projects that we can refer to, and learn from. Are there?
 I mean: projects in which local Wikipedians have worked together with
 local feminist organisations, or women’s history organisations, in order to
 structurally improve content on Wikipedia.
 I did a bit of searching around on the various Gender Gap project pages (I
 admit: superficially) but couldn’t find any so far. I’m aware of the
 Art+Feminism edit-a-thons.

 In any case - all suggestions and tips are very welcome.

 Many thanks! Sandra (User:Spinster)





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Re: [Gendergap] Look who's in the paper!! :)

[Jane Darnell]

I was thinking the same thing - who knows, maybe she really poked around
Wikipedia while writing the piece and you may even have a convert on your
hands! (one can always hope)

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Christine Meyer christinewme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Sarah.  I'm actually surprised at how well it was written.
 Sometimes the press gets stuff about WP so wrong, but this time the
 reporter did a good job.

 Christine
 Username: Figureskatingfan

 On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The super awesome WikiWoman Christine Meyer is!

 This is a most excellent article - thank you Christine for your ongoing
 work!

 http://www.inlander.com/spokane/writing-her-place/Content?oid=2372780

 Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Polish Wikipedia momument has two women

[Jane Darnell]

Natalia,
I agree - that is definitely significant news, so thanks for sharing! I
noticed while collecting some slides for a Gendergap lounge I will be
manning this Saturday that though there is an article in most language
wikis for the Wikipedia monument, there is no link to it from the Gendergap
article (and BTW, no article in the Polish Wikipedia on the Gendergap). I
think it's worth mentioning as it is significant that female contributors
are shown in the sculpture.
Jane

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Natalia antyte...@gmail.com wrote:

 The WMF got a miniature of the monument as a gift from the organizers. You
 can find a photo of the miniature somwhere on commons :)
 Let me add that there was a discussion about the future of Wikipedia held
 at Collegium Polonicum (local university) just before the unveiling and we
 did talk about the gender gap (brief summary: the problem does exist, we
 are looking for solutions and reasons, women can be as good wikipedians as
 men etc - nothing new but I think that the fact that the discussion about
 the future of Wikipedia is opened with a discussion about the gender gap is
 worth mentioning).
 Natalia Szafran-Kozakowska
 user:Magalia

 Magalia

 2014-10-27 8:47 GMT+01:00 Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org:

 Nice! Can we get one for the WMF office? ;)

 Kaldari

 On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
  wrote:

  The final momument was unveiled and it looks like, and I was told, it
 has two, women in it. Yeah!
 https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomnik_Wikipedii_w_S%C5%82ubicach
 Article on Polish Wikipedia with photo

 Images.google search of Polish monument Wikipedia gets a couple more
 good photo returns.

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[Gendergap] Percentage of articles about women artists vs # of articles about men, using Wikidata

[Jane Darnell]

Hello,
I am preparing some slides for the Dutch Wikiconference this Saturday and
wanted to share some interesting data on female artists. This year I have
been working on various museum collections of paintings, while continuing
to work on painter biographies. I am a big user of the Dutch RKD database
of artists, which Magnus has kindly placed in Mix-n-Match. Just using the
matches I made and the automatic matches, it is now possible to see some
interesting data on how artists are represented across wikis.

The RKDartists database metadata was downloaded this year and contains
94,944 males and 60,282 females, or roughly 24% females, of which most were
born after 1850. I have said before that part of the gendergap in the arts
is caused by copyright issues (copyright-gap), and since most notable women
artists were born after 1850, it would always appear that women are
significantly less represented than men. The good news is that Wikimedia
projects are much more welcoming to female artists than museum collections,
where the percentage of women tends to be less than 3%. The data I have now
shows that most Wikimedia projects have a percentage of women artist
biographies that are well above 5%, or more than double what museums have
on show.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Females_in_matched_RKDartists.jpg

I gathered the data using autolist and various combinations of the queries
below
1) claim[21:6581072] and claim[650]
2) claim[650] and link[enwiki]

I assume similar results could be seen for the Joconde database, which I
may do later.

Best,
Jane
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Re: [Gendergap] Update: Re: Polish Wikipedia Monument shows only men

[Jane Darnell]

Well I suppose it would be more technically accurate if 1 of 4, not 2 of 4
were women

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:

 WOOHOo!

 On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Natalia antyte...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have just recived an e-mail from the organizers of the unveiling. They
 assured me that two of the figures are female. So no gender gap here :-)
 11 paź 2014 20:05 LB lightbreath...@gmail.com napisał(a):

 If it be so... hallelujah!


 Lightbreather

 On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Natalia antyte...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not sure if it is really going to show only men. According to these
 pictures (illustrating an article about the factory where the monument is
 being prepared so it seems quite reliable) there are going to be 2 female
 figures.

 http://www.strefabiznesu.gazetalubuska.pl/artykul/w-nowosolskim-malpolu-powstaje-pierwszy-na-swiecie-pomnik-wikipedii
 The original project also included two women. So there is hope :)

 I'm going to attend the unveiling as an official representative of
 Wikimedia Poland so I will do an on-site inspection and I will let you know
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Re: [Gendergap] WikiWomen's Collaborative Social Media + some other stuff

[Jane Darnell]

Sarah,
I'm glad to see you being more active, and I appreciate all the work you
have done and your recent work on Wikidata.

I hope the media viewer and other wiki-snafus don't get you down!
Jane

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I've been feeling inspired (!!!) and have started re-maintaining the
 WikiWomen's Collaborative Twitter and Facebook. Despite my excessive
 bitterness, hahaha, I'm really missing the camaraderie and work that I was
 doing to engage a more diverse audience in participating in the free
 knowledge movement.

 Feel free to e-mail me off list if there are events, blog posts, press
 coverage, or calls to action you'd like me to post. I'll post in any
 language as long as there is also an English translation. If you already
 are a maintainer of either the page or Twitter, feel free to post.

 On Facebook we now have over 1,000 likes, and on Twitter we have 1,189
 followers. You can find the two accounts here:

 https://twitter.com/wikiwomen

 https://www.facebook.com/WikiWomensCollaborative

 Like and follow us!

 

 On a personal note, ever since Adrianne and Cindamuse died and I earned my
 outsider within a group of outsiders status in January I haven't had the
 motivation to contribute to the two areas of work that I deeply care about
 in this world of free knowledge - women's engagement and GLAM. I'm trying
 to change that in myself, and not letting the men who tore me down get me
 down (or the mistakes that I have made in the past).

 For the past few months I've been contributing to WikiVoyage and Wikidata
 and I changed my username (back to my old username). No one notices me..
 it's quiet.

 I'm even thinking about putting my feelers out for public speaking and
 workshops again, but, I might be a bad apple no one wants to hear from
 anymore :) As long as funding is available, I am very open minded to
 opportunities. If you hear of anything, or know of anyone looking to hear
 someone speak about lessons learned, the experiences had, evaluation
 practices, grantwriting, how revolution can and continues to take place in
 this community, or you just want a kick ass facilitator for your
 edit-a-thon let me know...

 3

 Thanks everyone, I appreciate it and the work you are all doing to change
 the world.

 Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] [Spam] Re: Sexualized environment on Commons

[Jane Darnell]

I totally agree, and no offense to the people who have contributed to help 
pages, but I find them very unhelpful and sometimes downright wrong.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 31, 2014, at 4:55 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
 I Still stand by hand holding...personal out weighs what we attempt...
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Re: [Gendergap] men on lists

[Jane Darnell]

Lennart,
That's too bad. One of the biggest causes of the gendergap is the lack of
reliable sources to move new articles through the Wikipedia recent changes
page patrol on any given project. The academic bias inherent in
women-related subjects (and I mean anything from knitting patterns to
health issues) means that it is very hard to locate such material. I have
met time and again very creative male Wikipedians who not only find such
sources, but who can do so quite easily.
Jane


On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Unfortunately, that talk was not accepted to Wikimania, despite quite high
 grades at the reviewing phase
 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submission_review :-/ It seems
 that the gendergap issue instead is represented by:


 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Internet_skills_and_the_gender_gap


 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Diversity_Workshop:_Gender_gap_strategy_into_action


 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Gender_and_Beyond:_Building_Diversity_in_the_Digital_Space

 and
 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Creative_Ways_to_Alienate_Women_Online:_A_How-to_Guide_for_Wikipedians



 Best wishes,

 Lennart Guldbrandsson

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 Presentation http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%c3%83%c2%a4ndare:Hannibal
 @aliasHannibal http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal - på Twitter

 *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
 tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida*. Det är vårt mål.*
 Jimmy Wales

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 From: jane...@gmail.com
 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] men on lists

 I agree with Moriel in that I don't know if we can deal or attempt to
 fix the gendergap issues in Wikipedia without engaging the men. and there
 is a Wikimania submission that deals with this:

 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/What_male_Wikipedians_can_do_to_help_fix_the_gendergap



 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:19 PM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote:
 
  People's personal experiences don't need studies to back them up.


 I was thinking about a proper documentation of how it has happened -
 should be written.
 Even I know of instances in techtalk list.



 Best

 A. Mani



 A. Mani
 [Last_Name. First_Name Format]
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Re: [Gendergap] Article about super-spreader might need help (enWP)

[Jane Darnell]

Marielle,
Good point and I will include the links to the blog and the
superspreader talk page on the proposal talk page for reference.

I am definitely not discounting the IEG proposal completely, as I can
imagine the edit button allergy must be a problem for people who use
Wikipedia in the classroom.  However, though it may seem important to
recruit new editors, or to expand our activities in the classroom, we
must remain loyal to our current editors, who are doing lots of work
right now. Editor retention is in this case more important than
getting those shy editors on board. If someone is too nervous about
hitting the edit button, they will probably be scared off as soon as
they bump up against the daily wikidramas that pop up regularly.

I was interested to read the comments on the blog that questioned the
blob paste approach.

Jane

2014-05-08 13:38 GMT+02:00, Marielle Volz marielle.v...@gmail.com:
 Hi Jane,

 (Perhaps we should have this discussion on the grant page itself as
 well but) I do want to say that I disagree that this situation proves
 that step-wise editing might not help shy people.

 The student in this case chose to do their editing in a way which was
 comfortable for them. And the way they were comfortable editing was to
 do so in a sandbox. I think this is proof of concept that some shy
 people prefer to work in this manner and that accommodating them might
 help bring this population into the editor pool.

 I won't disagree that the *result* of this type of editing was a
 spectacular flame/reversion war that ultimately (probably) scared away
 a new editor; but was the fault 100% with *their* process (blob
 additions) or could some blame also be applied to the current culture
 of editing that disparages these kinds of additions?

 If we implicitly encourage this kind of editing by adding support for
 it, might this not change of the culture of wikipedia to make these
 kinds of edits (that shy people may prefer) more welcome, and
 potentially avert a culture clash like this in the future?

 While I personally do not like editing in this manner whatsoever, and
 I agree it carries some inherent problems, I think it's important to
 remember that since we personally are all editors, we're exactly NOT
 the kind of person we need to be recruiting- we have those kind of
 people already! Even if the vast majority of *current* Wikipedia
 editors dislike and wouldn't use these features, that doesn't mean it
 could potentially have a major impact on converting novice and shy
 editors.

 By the way, is there any plan to formally reach out to the teacher and
 student?

 -mvolz

 On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the links! I find this interesting since I was having a lot
 of trouble understanding an IEG proposal that I was reviewing:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Stepwise_Disclosure_Edition:_Wikipedia_for_shy_people

 Most people on the English Wikipedia have no problem hitting the edit
 button, and a quick review of the talk page on Superspreader shows
 that all of the people posting comments there feel totally comfortable
 doing just that *except* for the student whose edits are under review.
 Thanks to this case, I am now able to imagine a situation where this
 IEG proposal functionality could be relevant. I believe this
 particular superspreader case proves that publishing in one blob
 like the student has done can potentially be disruptive, which is
 interesting and puts that proposal into a totally new perspective for
 me.

 I would in fact say that this case proves that the functionality in
 the IEG proposal is, in fact, undesirable.

 2014-05-06 14:17 GMT+02:00, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com:
 The discussion is located at the talk page for the article in question.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Super-spreader



 Just to clear up where the significant on-wiki attention took place at
 (my
 first guess was User Talk:Malke 2010).



 Thank you,

 Derric Atzrott



 From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
 [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of George
 Herbert
 Sent: 06 May 2014 01:03
 To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
 participation of women within Wikimedia projects.
 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Article about super-spreader might need help
 (enWP)



 This now has gotten significant on-wiki attention.



 List relevant but less important on-wiki (I hope) complicating factor -
 the
 editor who was felt to possibly be OWNing the article is User:Malke
 2010, a
 female Wikipedian...



 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 Hey folks,

 On my phone, so I haven't read the talk page in question. But it looks
 like
 a new female editor might be having a tough time on this article: maybe
 somebody has time to step in and take a look?

 Thanks,
 Sue

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Re: [Gendergap] Article about super-spreader might need help (enWP)

[Jane Darnell]

 On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Marielle,
 Good point and I will include the links to the blog and the
 superspreader talk page on the proposal talk page for reference.

 I am definitely not discounting the IEG proposal completely, as I can
 imagine the edit button allergy must be a problem for people who use
 Wikipedia in the classroom.  However, though it may seem important to
 recruit new editors, or to expand our activities in the classroom, we
 must remain loyal to our current editors, who are doing lots of work
 right now. Editor retention is in this case more important than
 getting those shy editors on board. If someone is too nervous about
 hitting the edit button, they will probably be scared off as soon as
 they bump up against the daily wikidramas that pop up regularly.

 I was interested to read the comments on the blog that questioned the
 blob paste approach.

 Jane

 2014-05-08 13:38 GMT+02:00, Marielle Volz marielle.v...@gmail.com:
  Hi Jane,
 
  (Perhaps we should have this discussion on the grant page itself as
  well but) I do want to say that I disagree that this situation proves
  that step-wise editing might not help shy people.
 
  The student in this case chose to do their editing in a way which was
  comfortable for them. And the way they were comfortable editing was to
  do so in a sandbox. I think this is proof of concept that some shy
  people prefer to work in this manner and that accommodating them might
  help bring this population into the editor pool.
 
  I won't disagree that the *result* of this type of editing was a
  spectacular flame/reversion war that ultimately (probably) scared away
  a new editor; but was the fault 100% with *their* process (blob
  additions) or could some blame also be applied to the current culture
  of editing that disparages these kinds of additions?
 
  If we implicitly encourage this kind of editing by adding support for
  it, might this not change of the culture of wikipedia to make these
  kinds of edits (that shy people may prefer) more welcome, and
  potentially avert a culture clash like this in the future?
 
  While I personally do not like editing in this manner whatsoever, and
  I agree it carries some inherent problems, I think it's important to
  remember that since we personally are all editors, we're exactly NOT
  the kind of person we need to be recruiting- we have those kind of
  people already! Even if the vast majority of *current* Wikipedia
  editors dislike and wouldn't use these features, that doesn't mean it
  could potentially have a major impact on converting novice and shy
  editors.
 
  By the way, is there any plan to formally reach out to the teacher and
  student?
 
  -mvolz
 
  On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Thanks for the links! I find this interesting since I was having a lot
  of trouble understanding an IEG proposal that I was reviewing:
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Stepwise_Disclosure_Edition:_Wikipedia_for_shy_people
 
  Most people on the English Wikipedia have no problem hitting the edit
  button, and a quick review of the talk page on Superspreader shows
  that all of the people posting comments there feel totally comfortable
  doing just that *except* for the student whose edits are under review.
  Thanks to this case, I am now able to imagine a situation where this
  IEG proposal functionality could be relevant. I believe this
  particular superspreader case proves that publishing in one blob
  like the student has done can potentially be disruptive, which is
  interesting and puts that proposal into a totally new perspective for
  me.
 
  I would in fact say that this case proves that the functionality in
  the IEG proposal is, in fact, undesirable.
 
  2014-05-06 14:17 GMT+02:00, Derric Atzrott 
 datzr...@alizeepathology.com:
  The discussion is located at the talk page for the article in
  question.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Super-spreader
 
 
 
  Just to clear up where the significant on-wiki attention took place
  at
  (my
  first guess was User Talk:Malke 2010).
 
 
 
  Thank you,
 
  Derric Atzrott
 
 
 
  From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
  [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of George
  Herbert
  Sent: 06 May 2014 01:03
  To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
  participation of women within Wikimedia projects.
  Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Article about super-spreader might need help
  (enWP)
 
 
 
  This now has gotten significant on-wiki attention.
 
 
 
  List relevant but less important on-wiki (I hope) complicating factor
  -
  the
  editor who was felt to possibly be OWNing the article is User:Malke
  2010, a
  female Wikipedian...
 
 
 
  On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org
  wrote:
 
  Hey folks,
 
  On my phone, so I haven't read the talk page in question. But it
  looks
  like
  a new female

[Gendergap] Blogger and Wikipedian Adrianne Wadewitz died while rock-climbing

[Jane Darnell]

This is to inform you that one of the contributors to this list who
spent a lot of time working on the Gendergap issue and ways to solve
it, has died in a rock-climbing accident.
http://femtechnet.newschool.edu/blog/adrianne-wadewitz/

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Re: [Gendergap] Blogger and Wikipedian Adrianne Wadewitz died whilerock-climbing

[Jane Darnell]

All I know is what is reported on her Wikipedia userpage

2014-04-11 18:32 GMT+02:00, Daniel and Elizabeth Case danc...@frontiernet.net:
Subject: [Gendergap] Blogger and Wikipedian Adrianne Wadewitz died
whilerock-climbing

This is to inform you that one of the contributors to this list who
spent a lot of time working on the Gendergap issue and ways to solve
it, has died in a rock-climbing accident.
http://femtechnet.newschool.edu/blog/adrianne-wadewitz/

 How truly sad.

 While I did not work with her on any gendergap-related issues, I remember
 her well as a tenacious reviewer of DYK submissions, mine included. We
 didn't always agree, but I never doubted her integrity and commitment to the
 ideals of Wikipedia and Wikimedia.

 I would note for this list her high output of featured articles, many of
 them on works of women like Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, from her chosen
 period of literary study, the late 18th and early 19th century, as well as
 biographies of some major and minor figures of that epoch (including the
 now-infamous [[Fanny Imlay]] article, one of the few nominated for deletion
 (albeit strategically) on the same day it was on the main page. Nobody *but*
 her could have defended that article on the talk page as well as she did
 (compare with yours truly, a few grafs down)). Oh, and a nice collaboration
 with another editor on [[Joseph Priestley House]].

 Are there any further details on the circumstances of her death, like where
 and what she was doing or attempting to do at the time? I ask only because
 they will inevitably be reported in this year's Accidents in North American
 Mountaineering along with the usual critique, and it would be useful to
 know before reading it since names are not usually given and I would like to
 know so I know when I'm reading about the death of an acquaintance.

 Daniel Case


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Re: [Gendergap] [Blog]: [Huffington Post U.K] : An interview with Emily Temple-Wood

[Jane Darnell]

That is nice, and includes a nice plug for the IEG grant process as well!

2014-04-01 19:28 GMT+02:00, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com:
 Nice work Netha and Emily!

 -Sarah


 On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Netha Hussain
 nethahuss...@gmail.comwrote:


 Dear all,

   Here is a blog post interviewing Emily Temple-Wood, the co-founder of
 Wikiproject:
 Women
 Scientistshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_scientists.
 Congratulations, Emily!


 http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/countering-the-systemic-bias-on-wikipedia--an-interview-with-emily-temple-wood_b_5064947.html?just_reloaded=1

 - Netha


 Countering the Systemic Bias on Wikipedia : An Interview With Emily
 Temple-Wood
 Posted: 01/04/2014
 14:28http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/countering-the-systemic-bias-on-wikipedia--an-interview-with-emily-temple-wood_b_5064947.html?view=printcomm_ref=false
  Follow
 Wikipedia http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/wikipedia/, United
 Stateshttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/united-states/
 , Editing http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/editing/, Gender
 Gapshttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/gender-gaps/
 , Interview http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/interview/, Systemic
 Bias http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/systemic-bias/,
 Womanhttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/woman/
 , UK Tech News http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/uk-tech

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 I love to collect information, and I love that I get to share that
 information with the world, says Emily Temple-Wood, a veteran editor on
 English Wikipedia. Emily, who likes reading encyclopedias from
 cover-to-cover, finds writing on Wikipedia a transition from being a
 consumer to a creator of knowledge.

 Her first attempt at writing on Wikipedia was in 2005, when she was 10
 years old. She wrote a page about her little sister saying that she was a
 stupid butthead, which got removed from Wikipedia instantly. As she
 grew
 older, she knew that she could do more productive things on Wikipedia.

 In 2007, when Emily Temple-Wood created an account on Wikipedia, she was
 just 12 years old. She started off by categorizing and cleaning up
 existing
 wikipedia articles. Eventually, she found it and useful to contribute
 knowledge to Wikipedia. Her first interest was endangered languages. She
 created several articles related to endangered languages and became
 dedicated to Wikipedia.

 Emily, now 19, has written over 200 articles on Wikipedia. Lately, she
 has
 been writing about rare genetic diseases, Islamic history and mythology.
 Her pet project is Wikiproject: Women
 scientistshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_scientists,
 an initiative to create and expand articles about women scientists.
 WikiProject Women Scientists is growing into a nice space for
 contributing
 to this less-covered area and we are gaining some active participants, so
 that is great! I'm so glad to be a part of something that is making a
 real
 difference on Wikipedia, she says. She is also an administrator on
 Wikipedia, a trusted editor who has been granted the technical ability to
 perform special actions on English Wikipedia.

 [image:
 2014-03-31-800pxGLAM_Wiki_Boot_Camp_DC_2013__User_Keilana.JPG]http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-03-31-800pxGLAM_Wiki_Boot_Camp_DC_2013__User_Keilana.JPG

 Emily is an undergraduate student at the Loyola University in Chicago,
 majoring in molecular biology with additional two minors : Arabic and
 Islamic world studies. She aspires to go to graduate school and get an
 MD/
 PhD in medicine to fulfil her dream of becoming research physician. She
 has
 basic knowledge of Arabic, Korean and French and wants to be a fluent
 speaker of these three languages someday. She is undergoing training as
 an
 emergency medical technician along with her undergraduate studies.
 Because
 of the many real-life commitments, Emily is not being able to spend as
 much
 time for writing articles as she wants.

 First of all, I schedule time to edit, either with workshops or with
 friends. Editing with friends makes it a lot easier to make the time for
 it. I also edit as I read. Like many of us, I use Wikipedia every day to
 look up facts and whenever I see something that needs to be fixed, I do
 it.
 Treating my editing as a social endeavor has been really helpful and
 definitely motivates me to contribute more, and I think that's my message
 to fellow women. Have fun together while editing - enjoy food and drink
 and
 socialize! Some people take Wikipedia too seriously and make it an
 anti-social space a lot of the time, so you can counter that by enjoying
 wiki-socialization in real life and being serious online., says Emily
 when
 asked about how she manages her time to be able to do a variety of
 real-life and online volunteering.

 She is also a Individual Engagement
 Granteehttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG of
 the Wikimedia Foundation 

Re: [Gendergap] German Wikipedia: straw poll against woman rights

[Jane Darnell]

I was just talking about this yesterday - In the Dutch Wikipedia,
gender-neutral language is used for occupations and during the
ArtFeminism edit-a-thon we remarked on how difficult it is to track
down female artists if the lead sentence is gender neutral. This is
compounded by the fact that the Dutch Wikipedia does not allow gender
categories at all (which does solve the Ghettoization problem we
constantly have in the English Wikipedia where women are in the Women
skill categories rather than the main categories). In the English
Wikipedia we also only have gender-neutral languages for most
occupations, but that is because we discarded gender-based words so
long ago (poet vs. poetess).

2014-02-02, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com:
 Hi Bob -

 Unfortunately I both don't speak German, and don't have the time to go
 through a long and messy RfC on the subject in a language I don't
 understand currently.  However the issue as it has been framed in your
 original post certainly sounds concerning.  If you have the time (and I
 certainly understand if you dont,) would you be willing to provide a
 slightly more in depth summary fo what's going on currently.

 Thanks,
 Kevin Gorman


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Re: [Gendergap] NY Times: Wikipedia, What Does Judith Newman Have to Do to Get a Page?

[Jane Darnell]

very funny, thx for posting!

2014/1/11, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/09/fashion/Wikipedia-Judith-Newman.html?_r=1

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Re: [Gendergap] Changing the Chelsea Manning article (and how women were shouted down)

[Jane Darnell]

It's an interesting discussion on that move request page. I noticed
the Wikibump for the Bradley Manning page peaked at 173,000 views on
22 August and went down to less that 3,000 per day a week later. I
think the current situation (today I see an article named Bradley
Manning, and an article named Chelsea Manning gender identity media
coverage on the English Wikipedia) is the correct way to go forward
until the media coverage settles down. At this moment in time, the
person formerly known as Bradley Manning is still most notable for
Wikipedia under that name, as her most famous act is still the
Wikileaks issue. After a few months, it could turn out that her fight
for transexual awareness or hormone drug therapy while in prison
becomes more notable, but right now it is simply too early to say.

As for shouting matches and women contributors, I always tell everyone
I meet to contribute to Wikipedia first on non-controversial topics,
such as anything related to cultural heritage. If you are not a
regular contributor to Wikipedia with a sound Wikipedia reputation,
your edits to controversial topics will probably be reverted
semi-automatically no matter what you do. This is one of the biggest
problems facing new contributors, because obviously they are attracted
to controversial topics where the need for correction is probably
high. I didn't click on the Bradley Manning article on 22 August, but
I can imagine that it was in bad shape about half the time before it
was page-protected 14:41, 22 August 2013 by Mark Arsten.

2013/9/1, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org:
 Looks like the Chelsea Manning article has been changed back to Bradley
 Manning:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chelsea_Manning/August_2013_move_request

 There is still a discussion ongoing about which name to lead the article
 text with, however:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bradley_Manning#First_sentence

 Ryan Kaldari


 On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Carol Moore dc
 carolmoor...@verizon.netwrote:

 There have been similar problems at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**
 Chelsea_Manning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning
 Obviously there have been a number of comments that are obviously
 transphobic. However, there also have been repeated false charges of
 transphobia against those who cite good policy reasons for not changing
 the
 name.  I personally oppose the change to Chelsea as premature for a
 number
 of reasons, FYI.

 And there are good reasons to question what happened at that article
 process wise (the policy reasons for and against the change are discussed
 ad nauseam at the talk page where editors are just trying to get it
 changed
 back to Bradley Manning, though I think that's morphed into a final
 discussion - hard to tell!! ):
 * an admin changed the title to Chelsea Manning with no discussion on the
 talk page, given it's a controversial move in such a high publicity
 figure
 *the admin then spoke to the press about it, wrote a blog entry with
 their
 opinion, tweeted about it, and got even more media publicity for their
 blog
 entry and/or tweets
 *I would not be surprised if a number of editors also alerted the media
 to
 her writings and actions in order to try to influence the outcome of a
 Wikipedia policy decision
 *I don't know how much off wiki canvassing there was, but I did start a
 list of wikiprojects alerted, so at least that aspect of WP:Canvass would
 be covered
 *an editor threatened anyone moving the title back would become a minor
 celebrity for a few days, a threat only to those whose actual names were
 used, which implied outing (there's a subsection of the larger ANI thread
 on that threat and related insults)

 Wonder if I'll get shouted down *here* yet again for expressing my
 opinions... sigh...

 CM




 On 8/24/2013 7:34 AM, Helga Hansen wrote:

 In the German Wikipedia a huge discussion has erupted over the question
 how to change the Wikipedia page for Chelsea Manning and it's another
 textbook example over how to drive women of Wikipedia. You can see the
 gory
 details here (in German of course): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**
 Diskussion:Bradley_Manninghttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Bradley_Manning

 I don't want to discuss this because it has already exhausted me to no
 end but it's another example of “How not to deal with women” and
 especially
 “How not to deal with transwomen” and it's important to understand the
 dynamics.

 After her statement on Today, one user went over the article, changing
 it
 from Bradley to Chelsea. When discussions about this started, two other
 users set up a section Namensänderung that addressed some of the
 criticism (confusion over names, before „Breanna“ was mentioned, how the
 support network has handled the name question) and provided sources.
 They
 did this on an etherpad and then moved the complete section into
 Wikipedia.
 By the way a modus operandi that I have heard from several women, to
 minimize chances of their work 

[Gendergap] Results of Dutch editor survey indicate 6% female participation

[Jane Darnell]

http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Motivaction_report_translation_v02.pdf

See page 26, headed by the understatement The large majority of
members and contributors are male

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Re: [Gendergap] Women on the list: what have you been editing lately?

[Jane Darnell]

Ryan,
I feel the same way, and I keep wondering what I can do to help populate 
Wikimedia Commons categories of artists. I feel quite proud of the list I 
produced, and I uploaded a bunch of images to get it this long. I have been 
fascinated by the stories of the women on the list and made two entries for 
them: [[Dorothea Berck]] and her daughter [[Isabela Coymans]]. Work on the 
first one led me to add a picture to the [[Mary Frick Jacobs]] page.

Ideally, we could build some easy upload link on commons to populate such 
lists. Many art lovers have the ability to work on the lists, but are complete 
newbies on Commons. We have seen this with the Wiki Loves Monuments project. I 
just updated the Wikipedia page on that to help explain how the lists work, as 
a way of helping newcomers to `WLM, but also as a prompt to do the same thing 
for  Lists of artworks.

My list of Frans Hals paintings is much longer, and only the ones with pictures 
on Commons are in there right now. I think it would be useful to put the lost  
stolen ones on the list with an  easy upload link  so people can contribute 
blackwhite scans from old art books.
Jane


On May 20, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

 Wow, that's an amazing list! I wish all artists had lists like that.
 
 Ryan Kaldari
 
 On 5/18/13 9:35 AM, Jane Darnell wrote:
 Good luck with the AfC backlog Sarah - it depresses me to just think
 about that.
 
 Here in Haarlem we are celebrating the 100 year anniversary of the
 Frans Hals Museum. There are copies of Frans Hals paintings placed
 strategically around town to show what the museum has to offer. One of
 the men who is featured in 3 paintings in the museum was plastered all
 over town in the bus stops on a poster. His portrait as an individual
 is not here though, it's in Cincinnati. Haarlem basically only has the
 group portraits left, the rest have all left town. There are still
 over 70 people featured in those group portraits though, and I thought
 it would be cool to reunite them on wiki with their individual
 portraits.
 
 After talking about it for 2 years, I have finally created the list of
 Frans Hals paintings, and though I promised myself I would be done by
 the museum's birthday of May 14th, of course people keep reminding
 me now about other paintings to include.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paintings_by_Frans_Hals
 
 2013/5/18, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com:
 I figure it's high time to start a positive (or call to action oriented)
 focus thread again that is focused on empowering women on this list to
 share.
 
 Women - and those who identify as - what have you been editing lately?
 
 ---
 
 I've been working hard at building my to do lists for the crowdsourcing
 aspect of my World Digital Library project. I miss having time to edit and
 write larger articles, but, that isn't in the cards yet.
 
 On the flipside, I've been helping out at Articles for Creation again. We
 have a backlog of over 1000!!!
  :)
 
 Sarah
 
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Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology

[Jane Darnell]

Well I suppose that on some level the people who upload those images believe 
them to be artistic in some way. After looking at most of the artist categories 
of the 17th century, I have noticed that it's generally the tits-and-ass images 
that find their way on to Wikipedia first. I myself have uploaded a few for 
lesser known artists for whom only those images were available at the time. 
Now,  a few years later I am surprised to find that many of those artists were 
pretty good landscapists or still-life painters as well.

As far as what percentage of Wikimedia Commons pictures are actually used in 
sister projects, no idea, but I suspect it's less than 50%

On May 23, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Joseph Reagle wrote:

 On 05/23/2013 02:58 PM, Jane Darnell wrote:
 How strange that people take the trouble to upload those!
 
 I've been wondering about this myself. Why do people port collections of 
 images from Flickr CC to Commons in the first place? If someone really needed 
 a weird nude picture for an article, they could still find it at Flickr and 
 import it then. (This might be part of my bias that WC is supposed to support 
 other projects and not be an inclusive repo of all CC content in the world.) 
 Indeed, I wonder what percentage of WC resources is not used by an affiliated 
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Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology

[Jane Darnell]

Yes, I totally agree with the beer spitting part, and also wish you lots of 
luck and patience with your adminship!
Most people don't realize that of the 15 million files on Commons, 99% of the 
ones *not* linked into a sister project are pretty well unfindable  unless 
you happen to google the name of the file.

As far as notablity guidelines go for categories, I am not sure that this could 
be done, or that it would be useful. The category trees on Commons are one of 
Wikipedia's best-kept secrets, despite all the linking going on from sister 
projects like the English Wikipedia. Hopefully WikiData will change that. These 
categories are extremely useful however for insiders.

What I do think might be enforceable through the Wikimedia Commons uploader is 
that for photos of a location, the local name of the location should be in the 
file name, and for art, the name of the artist should be in the filename, and 
for portraits of people, the name of the person should be in the filename. I 
myself try to keep a basic hierarchy as a naming convention, in the order  
Artist - subject - where - date and if I don't know the subject's name or 
place or date, I try to approximately describe this. Recently I started adding 
the museum accession number if there is one. So for example the name on this 
one should give an impression of what it is:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Frans_Hals_-_Violin_player_in_a_dune_landscape_1930.30.jpg

The main problem with enforcing such naming conventions is the English-centric 
bias built-in, though that is not the issue here. The subject category of this 
email thread may be by some artist and using such a naming system would allow 
the uploader to sort the uploads into some category where people could use 
notability conventions for artists, in which case the deletion discussion 
becomes much easier. On the English Wikipedia, I believe notability guidelines 
are that an artwork must be worth about 3,000 dollars or more. This includes 
almost anything that has survived before 1800, but would not include most 
modern art such as these photographs.

We would have a problem with grafitti art  artists though, so maybe an 
exception could be made for street art.

On May 24, 2013, at 12:18 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

 
 
 
 On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Well you do realise that now you are an admin your days of browsing any type 
 of pr0n are behind you. ;)
 
 You are right, no-one in their right mind would use Commons to search for 
 pr0n. I just did a search for big dick on Google, and there is one result 
 from a WMF project in the Top 100 results -- 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Donato -- obviously picked up because he 
 was on BIG brother. But amongst the other 99 results from the top 100 there 
 are all sorts of sites one would go to if they wanted to see, well, big dick. 
 :)
 
 
 I must admit. This had me LOLing and almost spitting this delicious beer on 
 my laptop. 
  
 In relation to the category Alison raised -- are they in scope? Who the hell 
 knows. I am very liberal minded, and have a very liberal interpretation of 
 scope as it pertains to our projects, and while I struggle to see scope in 
 those images, I am sure there might be some sort of scope there -- even if 
 they were to illustrate an article on the gender gap in computer sciences -- 
 would that be an encyclopaedic topic?
 
 
 Crazy insane idea: notability guidelines for media categories? 
 
 /me hides
 
 -Sarah
  
 
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Re: [Gendergap] Women on the list: what have you been editing lately?

[Jane Darnell]

Good luck with the AfC backlog Sarah - it depresses me to just think
about that.

Here in Haarlem we are celebrating the 100 year anniversary of the
Frans Hals Museum. There are copies of Frans Hals paintings placed
strategically around town to show what the museum has to offer. One of
the men who is featured in 3 paintings in the museum was plastered all
over town in the bus stops on a poster. His portrait as an individual
is not here though, it's in Cincinnati. Haarlem basically only has the
group portraits left, the rest have all left town. There are still
over 70 people featured in those group portraits though, and I thought
it would be cool to reunite them on wiki with their individual
portraits.

After talking about it for 2 years, I have finally created the list of
Frans Hals paintings, and though I promised myself I would be done by
the museum's birthday of May 14th, of course people keep reminding
me now about other paintings to include.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paintings_by_Frans_Hals

2013/5/18, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com:
 I figure it's high time to start a positive (or call to action oriented)
 focus thread again that is focused on empowering women on this list to
 share.

 Women - and those who identify as - what have you been editing lately?

 ---

 I've been working hard at building my to do lists for the crowdsourcing
 aspect of my World Digital Library project. I miss having time to edit and
 write larger articles, but, that isn't in the cards yet.

 On the flipside, I've been helping out at Articles for Creation again. We
 have a backlog of over 1000!!!
  :)

 Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Breast cancer related information

[Jane Darnell]

Hmm, there seems to be much more behind this scary story about Jolie:
http://www.naturalnews.com/040365_Angelina_Jolie_gene_patents_Supreme_Court_decision.html#ixzz2TVCldugn

I didn't know you could patent a gene and reading between the lines, I
think it's a tragedy for Jolie and her family. It's true that it's an
impressive PR stunt though - check the stats pn the Jolie article and
the BRCA1 article, which links to the lawsuit in the lead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_Molecular_Pathology_v._Myriad_Genetics


2013/5/15, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com:
 It would be nice if someone could make an analysis of the presence 
 depth (treatment, protocol, prevention) of articles on breast cancer
 vs prostate cancer on Wiki(p/m)edia, as both are becoming about the
 same threat in terms of live expectancy after diagnosis. We could work
 from there on a to-do list.

 2013/5/15, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com:
 The 'getting tested' section looks very North America and 1st world
 centric.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRCA_mutation#Getting_tested

 It would be an interesting Wikiversity project to look at
 illnesses/medical
 procedures/etc with participants from different regions of the world
 trying
 to document how they would need to tackle the problems involved, if it
 became necessary.

 E.g. where is the nearest place that the test/procedure can be done, and
 how frequently do they do the test/procedure as that may be a major
 consideration in whether you would travel further to receive more
 experienced care.  Is the test covered by public health or insurance? Are
 related costs covered? (e.g. travel) How much will it cost.

 John Vandenberg.
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[Jane Darnell]

Thanks - I noticed from the diffs on Wikipedia that they are trying to
report something as a scoop that is actually pretty old news... I am
just astonished that it is possible to patent  a human gene!

2013/5/17, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca:
 Natural News is full of bizarre conspiracy theory stuff... I wouldn't
 trust their analysis much :/

 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmm, there seems to be much more behind this scary story about Jolie:
 http://www.naturalnews.com/040365_Angelina_Jolie_gene_patents_Supreme_Court_decision.html#ixzz2TVCldugn

 I didn't know you could patent a gene and reading between the lines, I
 think it's a tragedy for Jolie and her family. It's true that it's an
 impressive PR stunt though - check the stats pn the Jolie article and
 the BRCA1 article, which links to the lawsuit in the lead.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_Molecular_Pathology_v._Myriad_Genetics


 2013/5/15, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com:
 It would be nice if someone could make an analysis of the presence 
 depth (treatment, protocol, prevention) of articles on breast cancer
 vs prostate cancer on Wiki(p/m)edia, as both are becoming about the
 same threat in terms of live expectancy after diagnosis. We could work
 from there on a to-do list.

 2013/5/15, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com:
 The 'getting tested' section looks very North America and 1st world
 centric.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRCA_mutation#Getting_tested

 It would be an interesting Wikiversity project to look at
 illnesses/medical
 procedures/etc with participants from different regions of the world
 trying
 to document how they would need to tackle the problems involved, if it
 became necessary.

 E.g. where is the nearest place that the test/procedure can be done, and
 how frequently do they do the test/procedure as that may be a major
 consideration in whether you would travel further to receive more
 experienced care.  Is the test covered by public health or insurance?
 Are
 related costs covered? (e.g. travel) How much will it cost.

 John Vandenberg.
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Re: [Gendergap] Breast cancer related information

[Jane Darnell]

It would be nice if someone could make an analysis of the presence 
depth (treatment, protocol, prevention) of articles on breast cancer
vs prostate cancer on Wiki(p/m)edia, as both are becoming about the
same threat in terms of live expectancy after diagnosis. We could work
from there on a to-do list.

2013/5/15, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com:
 The 'getting tested' section looks very North America and 1st world
 centric.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRCA_mutation#Getting_tested

 It would be an interesting Wikiversity project to look at illnesses/medical
 procedures/etc with participants from different regions of the world trying
 to document how they would need to tackle the problems involved, if it
 became necessary.

 E.g. where is the nearest place that the test/procedure can be done, and
 how frequently do they do the test/procedure as that may be a major
 consideration in whether you would travel further to receive more
 experienced care.  Is the test covered by public health or insurance? Are
 related costs covered? (e.g. travel) How much will it cost.

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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

[Jane Darnell]

For what it's worth, I added my comments to your page on Meta

2013/5/9, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com:
 Yay! Erik replied. Seriously, I was beginning to think no one from the
 Foundation read this mailing list anymore aside from me and Kaldari (and we
 read it as volunteers!). See comments below.
snip
 Is there a page on Meta already where we're coordinating overall
 policy reform issues relating to the gender gap (whether WMF or
 community policies) that should be considered?

 Erik



 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/Policy_revolution

 There is now. Folks need to remember - Wikipedia is where Wikipedia policy
 is developed, meta is where larger scale policy is developed. So it's the
 best place to be for this type of work right now.

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Re: [Gendergap] Joseph Reagle on Wikipedia's category taxonomy

[Jane Darnell]

As more people have noticed on this list since this incident, the
problem is not with sexism, but with the way categories are managed on
Wikipedia. For example the German painter Caspar David Friedrich, who
many would argue is in a category all his own, is in both categories
German romantic painters and German landscape painters, but is no
longer in the category German painters. You really need a tool like
AWB or Catscan to find him (tip: from any English Wikipedia page, type
in WP:AWB or WP:catscan). It would be nice if we could specify flat
when accessing a category, so we could get the whole list, no matter
how many thousands of people are in there.

2013/4/30, Daniel and Elizabeth Case danc...@frontiernet.net:
Compare it to the weaknesses of the current category system. 98% of editors
 don't know what they are doing. Categories and subcategories are applied
 inconsistently all the time. Nobody has an overview of the entire tree
 structure, or even a major branch of it.

 And would this be any less truer of tags?

Something that is a subcategory of American novelists today may stop being
 one tomorrow, just by dint of a single edit, and no one would be the
 wiser (unless they keep hundreds of categories on their watchlist). The
 category tree (or weave, as categories can have several parents) changes
 daily, with categories created, renamed, recategorised, and deleted.
 There are incessant arguments about how to name, categorise and diffuse
 categories, and about perceived iniquities.[citation needed]

 In all the years I’ve been on Wikipedia I think I’ve only once been involved
 in any dispute over a category’s existence where I didn’t agree (and still
 don’t) with the outcome:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_August_9#Category:Vogue_editors
 (I suppose it’s only coincidental here that the category in question was
 mostly populated by articles about women). Indeed, I find it interesting
 that WP:LEW includes only one example from the category namespace, with
 everything else very well represented.

Using a defined set of basic tags in combination with something like
 CatScan – ported across to the Foundation server if you like, and given a
 friendly front-end with shortcuts to the most common searches – would do
 away with that.
 Without really solving the underlying problem, IMO, and making it harder to
 fix when it recurs.






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Re: [Gendergap] Sue's blog about Categorygate

[Jane Darnell]

Well I for one feel the category system is broken, though as I have
delved deeper into it I realize it was probably never working to begin
with. Sexism is as good as any other reason to do something about it,
and if we gain one or two more outraged female editors, then I think
we'll be the better for it. Is there somewhere we can go to hype up
this discussion even more and keep it in the press?

2013/5/2, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com:
 Commentary in The Daily Dot.

 http://www.dailydot.com/society/wikipedia-sexism-problem-sue-gardner/

 ---o0o---

 Wikipedia found itself squirming uncomfortably last week after charges of
 systemic sexism drew heat from media outlets across the world and sparked
 widespread outrage on social media.

 Yet according to the head of Wikimedia, the nonprofit that runs the
 encyclopedia, the whole sexism kerfuffle shows the system actually works.

 [...]

 Gardner begins backing herself into a corner of contradictions. She claims
 Wikipedians are a vastly more diverse group than the staff of any newsroom
 or library or archive, past or present.

 That statement is demonstrably false: Wikipedia is overwhelmingly young,
 white, and male. Its users are as diverse as the readership of Maxim.

 [...]

 In this instance the system worked, Gardner writes. Filipacchi saw
 something on Wikipedia that she thought was wrong. She drew attention to
 it. Now it’s being discussed and fixed. That’s how Wikipedia works.

 If that's the system, then it's broken. Women should have never been cut
 from that list. And they probably wouldn't have, if only more than 10
 percent of editors on the biggest encyclopedia in history were women in the
 first place.

 ---o0o---

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[Gendergap] I f***ing love science

[Jane Darnell]

Did anyone see this? A popular blogger on Science (with more than 4
million followers) is a woman. The woman herself, Elise Andrew, had no
idea it was a secret, and she was outed when she announced her
twitter account featuring a picture of herself. Apparently the bias
occurred because of the swear word on her facebook page which made
readers assume she was a man. Interesting conclusion! This is a
facebook hype that deserves a WP page, no?

article is here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/us-news-blog/2013/mar/20/i-love-science-woman-facbook
facebook page here:
http://www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience
The TV interview with Dr. Michio Kaku on CBS morning show is here:
http://cbsn.ws/109mAEL

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Re: [Gendergap] I f***ing love science

[Jane Darnell]

Awesome! Nice article. I think she is OK on the notability front.
Anyone who manages to accumulate more than 4 million *science*
followers on facebook without posting regularly on sexual subjects is
definitely noteworthy enough for Wikipedia. Add to that this strange
development on the swear-word gender miscommunication and you pass on
the basis of most bizarre gendergap content to be published in 2013.

2013/3/30, Ilona Buchem buc...@beuth-hochschule.de:
 Hi Sarah,

 I am following this discussion and it's interesting to see that deciding
 about an entry is not straight-forward even to core insiders. I wonder
 what criteria help decide if something or someone is worth an article
 in WP. How do you decide? Or: What makes it worth it or nor?

 -Ilona

 Am 3/30/13 5:17 PM, schrieb Sarah Stierch:
 Oh Michael, the bearer of bad news about people who generally want to
 write new articles on this mailing list.

 Is there another article where we think this type of coverage or
 content could be placed? I think we could even build an article about
 I Fucking Love Science instead.

 I still question if it's officially not worth an article, I haven't
 researched it yet. But, at this point I'm a pro at making people
 most declare non-notable rather notable based on research. (Oh the
 curator in me!)

 -Sarah

 On 3/30/13 6:08 AM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
 It's appalling and depressing; but if somebody were to write a
 Wikipedia article about it, at this point, I'd say it fails WP:NOTNEWS.


 On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com
 mailto:jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did anyone see this? A popular blogger on Science (with more than 4
 million followers) is a woman. The woman herself, Elise Andrew,
 had no
 idea it was a secret, and she was outed when she announced her
 twitter account featuring a picture of herself. Apparently the bias
 occurred because of the swear word on her facebook page which made
 readers assume she was a man. Interesting conclusion! This is a
 facebook hype that deserves a WP page, no?

 article is here:

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/us-news-blog/2013/mar/20/i-love-science-woman-facbook
 facebook page here:
 http://www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience
 The TV interview with Dr. Michio Kaku on CBS morning show is here:
 http://cbsn.ws/109mAEL

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Re: [Gendergap] Meritocracy, the next generation

[Jane Darnell]

Thanks for posting, that is an interesting talk. Of course, picking up the
6% women problem is a good thing, but it's quite sad to see that the
homogenous bias in the room was not only overwhelmingly male, but also
white American young male, i.e. fewer black or asian or older people than
women...
Jane

2012/11/6 Lennart Guldbrandsson l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com

  Hello,


 I am part of the organizing committe at FSCONS, a very cool conference
 that started off as a free software conference, but now has tracks on free
 licences and free culture as well, and some Wikimedia presence as well.


 This year, I found this gem in the schedule under the header
 Meritocracy,  next generation (
 https://fscons.org/2012/schedule/session/meritocracy-next-generation-part-1/
 ):



 In the YAPC conference 2012, Michael G Schwern held a keynote speech on
 how good, but homogenous, people can create an unwelcoming community
 without realizing it. Serengeti invites to a seminar, where we watch that
 keynote speech together and discus its implications.
 The seminar is divided into two sessions, which can be attended separately.
 Michael G Schwern writes about the speech: This is my 'secret' diversity
 talk aimed at the guys and focusing on how good, but homogenous, people can
 create an unwelcoming community without realizing it. The solution lies in
 restructuring how we make decisions, it lies in Kirk vs Picard. And anybody
 can be a Picard.
 Further reading can be had at http://bit.ly/YAPC2012_Keynote
 The video is published at Youtube,
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAOxGjNbp_Y;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAOxGjNbp_Y


 The video is... interesting. I can make a bet that there's more Michaels
 here than women. is but one of the quotes.


 Best wishes,

 Lennart Guldbrandsson

 Personlig blogg http://mrchapel.wordpress.com
 Presentation http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%c3%83%c2%a4ndare:Hannibal

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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] 2012 Editor survey launched

[Jane Darnell]

I saw the notice on enwp and filled it out, but still see the notice in
other projects (meta, nlwp, wiki source), so just keep on clicking on other
projects and you can pick up where you left off
Jane

2012/11/2 Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com

 Yeah I only saw it on Wikidata and did it then.

 I didn't see it at all on English Wikipedia. And that was from
 announcement until 6 pm tonight.

 Sarah

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 1, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just started filling it out, noticed I'd missed a question, backspaced
 -- my browser said the last page wasn't available, then when I tried to go
 forward the next page wasn't available either. So it's gone, and no longer
 showing up on my Commons watchlist.

 Sarah


 On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:




 On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Nov 1, 2012, at 8:07 PM, Sue Gardner wrote:

  On 1 November 2012 18:47, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:
  Are we supposed to be seeing this invitation, or has it not been
 posted yet?
 
  I saw it today, on either meta or Commons (I forget which).

 Showed up for me on ENWP.

 -Pete


 I just saw it on Commons.

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Re: [Gendergap] Binders full of women

[Jane Darnell]

Very funny to read those delete and keep reasons, thanks!

2012/10/23 Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com

 Amusingly enough…I did a Wikipedia presentation Thursday at the Open
 Education conference, and as I often do, asked for a suggestion of a
 current issue. Binders full of women was the topic suggested, so we found
 exactly that deletion debate and discussed it. And lo and behold, that
 screen capture became the image shown on the YouTube preview for the video.
 Not exactly what I would have picked…so yeah, another big laugh, for me at
 least :)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QeIiv-BYTsfeature=plcp

 Here's hoping Romney refers those binders full of women to Wikipedia!

 -Pete


 On Oct 22, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

  If you're familiar with recent Romney comment about having Binders full
 of women you'll get a big laugh out of this:


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Binders_full_of_women

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Re: [Gendergap] WikiWomenCamp: National perspectives on women and the movement

[Jane Darnell]

Hi all,
Actually, I would also love to write a book with no rigor, so I sympathize with 
the idea. Sorry I missed this. As one of the two female board members of the 
Dutch Wikimedia organization I feel compelled to contribute to this page. 
Unfortunately I am not sure when I will have time. I promise to think about it 
and meanwhile I see that my colleague Cyriel has come to the rescue.
Good luck with the initiative!
Jane

On 1 feb. 2012, at 21:40, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2/1/12 3:35 PM, emijrp wrote:
 
 No. You just want to write a book with no rigor.
 
 Not sure why I didn't think of this the first time, but, like Beria and I 
 both said - let's be bold and while we hope for input from Laura, I'm sure 
 people would be welcome to improve on their pages, like I hope I did in the 
 US section. (I did remove the material related to top articles and so forth, 
 but it was returned!)
 
 And of course, like all wiki's, there is a talk page for each country that 
 Laura has listed, so you can even craft conversation and ideas there. And of 
 course, I do encourage constructive conversation here on this mailing list 
 (more than just an obtuse one liner!).  (For example, here is the US talk 
 page: 
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/United_States)
 
 Thanks Beria for encouraging others to participate on Meta! Looking forward 
 to seeing the materials on Meta continue to grow into something really 
 valuable for the community!  I think if we can focus on what people are 
 doing, it'll show us where we can place ourselves in the role of Wikimedia, 
 and also encourage us to examine what people aren't doing. Sometimes just 
 focusing on that 9% can be a downer, you know? :) 
 
 -Sarah 
 
 
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Re: [Gendergap] WikiProject Women's History

[Jane Darnell]

Thanks! Maybe like the French, there should be a WikiProject Women on the 
English Wikipedia, in which the various other projects can be listed, such as 
WikiProject Women's History, WikiProject Women's Sports, and the others. 

On 27 dec. 2011, at 14:36, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 I remember this being discussed at some point, but don't remember where. The 
 closest equivalent I know of would be Projet Les Femmes on the French 
 Wikipedia, which is basically a combination of the English Wikipedia's 
 WikiProject Gender Studies, WikiProject Feminism, and WikiProject Women's 
 History. There is also Projekt kvinnor on the Swedish Wikipedia which has a 
 similar scope. I'm not aware of any foreign language WikiProjects devoted 
 specifically to Women's History, but it sounds like a great idea to spread 
 around.
 
 Ryan Kaldari
 
 
 On 12/27/11 7:50 AM, Jane Darnell wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I clicked on the Article alerts in this WikiProject and noticed new articles 
 are not included. Does anyone know how to add new articles to this list? 
 Also, I noticed their are zero interwiki links for this WikiProject. Does 
 this mean that the project does not exist in any other language, or is there 
 just a lack of interwiki links?
 Thanks if these are dumb questions, I am new to this WikiProject and to this 
 list.
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