Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Rohini Lakshané]

Siko, we would definitely like to organise a Gender gap event in
partnership with the WMF. Mumbai is a good location to hold it, apart from
Bangalore. The Mumbai community is large and there are quite a few women
who would like to join us.
--
Chairperson (Special Interest Group), Gender gap,
Wikimedia Chapter (India)


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Siko Bouterse wrote:

> Rohini, I've been excited to see the India work plan develop and will be
> really interested to hear what comes next as plans develop into action!
>  We've been wondering if you and others in the India community would want
> to partner with WMF to organize a gender gap event in Bangalore in February
> as followup to Diversity Conferenceit seems like having more ways to
> gather and grow the conversation in person a couple of times this year
> could be useful.  And perhaps an affiliate org (go, Sydney!!) could help
> keep that happening over time too.
>
> Even though we don't have a focused gender gap grants program in
> particular (although WMF Engineering does have the Outreach Program for
> Women, which is awesomely getting more women involved in MediaWiki), I'd
> love to find ways to encourage more grant proposals for projects aimed at
> the gender gap coming into IdeaLab, IEG, etc...I wonder if we can organize
> some sort of 2014 campaign around this?
>
> WMF doesn't have staff whose full-time jobs are focused on this issue,
> that's true, but there are lots of us who care and do want to put time and
> energy towards this work as we're able.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Rohini Lakshané wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Last month, I had put together a work plan for Gender gap activities in
>> India: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap_India_work_plan
>>
>> I would greatly appreciate it if you could add your suggestions, feedback
>> and comments to the work plan or post them here. The strategy shared by
>> Siko Bouterse is full of ideas I could incorporate into the work plan, and
>> it addresses some of the challenges I have been thinking long and hard
>> about. I am delighted to see that a Gender gap event in 
>> Indiacould
>>  be in the offing. :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rohini
>> --
>> Chairperson (Special Interest Group), Gender gap,
>> Wikimedia Chapter (India)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Siko Bouterse wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In July, we hosted a small gathering in San Francisco to consider the
>>> current state of the gender gap and brainstorm some initiatives that
>>> community and staff (WMF grantmakers, etc) might work on together in the
>>> coming year. After a shamefully long time,[1] notes from this meeting are
>>> finally up on meta:
>>>
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap_strategy_2013
>>>
>>> Please join 
>>> in,
>>> improve, share your thoughts about what's there or add new 
>>> ideasto
>>>  the brainstorm list!  If people are interested, we might build on this
>>> more together both on meta and at Diversity Conference in Berlin next
>>> month.[2]
>>>
>>> I'm also planning to host an IdeaLab session at Diversity Conference to
>>> work together on action plans for diversity-focused projects. If you aren't
>>> able to attend in person, perhaps you'd want to write up your favorite idea
>>> in the IdeaLab instead, to spark some more collaborations?
>>>
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Siko
>>>
>>> [1] Yes, it really did take me 3 months to finish removing an
>>> under-construction template and decide some things are just going to stay
>>> messy, sigh.
>>> [2] Reminder to register by Oct 20th, I understand the program schedule
>>> will be published later this week:
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Diversity_Conference
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Head of Individual Grants
>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>>> sboute...@wikimedia.org
>>>
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>
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Sydney]

Jane, thank you for jumping in and adding some suggestions.

Sydney

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:08, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Sydney,
> Good idea. I added some goals to the subsection on goals and structure. I 
> think these are unrelated, btw
> I won't be in Berlin so I hope you post a link to your talk here.
> 
> Jane
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Sydney Poore  wrote:
> 
>> Hi ,
>> 
>> Today I began the discussion about establishing a Wikimedia Foundation 
>> affiliated user group around the topic of addressing the gender gap in 
>> Wikimedia Foundation projects. I see this as being an international 
>> organization where people from all over the world can work together on this 
>> common cause. 
>> 
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gender_gap_strategy_2013#Establishing_a_WMF-affiliated_user_group
>> 
>> The threshold for being recognized is pretty low., only 3 people, but I 
>> would not want to go for affiliation with less than 10 interested people. 
>> And I hope we can attract many many more.
>> 
>> I plan to discuss this in Berlin at the Diversity Conference but want to 
>> make it clear that the organization is open to every one interested in 
>> actively working on the topic. So please spread the word. 
>> 
>> I put a sign up space in the thread so we can capture the initial interest 
>> that came out of this thread. 
>> 
>> One of the key discussion will be the name of the group. So everyone put 
>> their thinking caps on so we can make this decision within the next month of 
>> so.
>> 
>> Sydney Poore
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sydney  wrote:
>>> > Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take 
>>> > the
>>> > lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there
>>> > definitely is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing to
>>> > assist as their time permits.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That's unfortunate. I understood the narrowing focus to mean not
>>> placing WMF offices and contractors around the world, or doing sort of
>>> boots on the ground face to face outreach. Since usability initiatives
>>> and some other programs are still ongoing, it seems like the gender
>>> gap should've stayed on the table for direct involvement even if not
>>> through the vehicle of the fellowship program. Too bad.
>>> 
>>> That said, there are chapters who receive hundreds of thousands of
>>> dollars in funding from the FDC despite having objectively achieved
>>> very little to date; certainly that means there is an opportunity
>>> there for people with an interest in dedicating themselves full time
>>> to this work to be compensated fairly through a funded WMF affiliate.
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Jane Darnell]

Sydney,
Good idea. I added some goals to the subsection on goals and structure. I think 
these are unrelated, btw
I won't be in Berlin so I hope you post a link to your talk here.

Jane

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Sydney Poore  wrote:

> Hi ,
> 
> Today I began the discussion about establishing a Wikimedia Foundation 
> affiliated user group around the topic of addressing the gender gap in 
> Wikimedia Foundation projects. I see this as being an international 
> organization where people from all over the world can work together on this 
> common cause. 
> 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gender_gap_strategy_2013#Establishing_a_WMF-affiliated_user_group
> 
> The threshold for being recognized is pretty low., only 3 people, but I would 
> not want to go for affiliation with less than 10 interested people. And I 
> hope we can attract many many more.
> 
> I plan to discuss this in Berlin at the Diversity Conference but want to make 
> it clear that the organization is open to every one interested in actively 
> working on the topic. So please spread the word. 
> 
> I put a sign up space in the thread so we can capture the initial interest 
> that came out of this thread. 
> 
> One of the key discussion will be the name of the group. So everyone put 
> their thinking caps on so we can make this decision within the next month of 
> so.
> 
> Sydney Poore
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Nathan  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sydney  wrote:
> > Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take the
> > lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there
> > definitely is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing to
> > assist as their time permits.
> 
> 
> That's unfortunate. I understood the narrowing focus to mean not
> placing WMF offices and contractors around the world, or doing sort of
> boots on the ground face to face outreach. Since usability initiatives
> and some other programs are still ongoing, it seems like the gender
> gap should've stayed on the table for direct involvement even if not
> through the vehicle of the fellowship program. Too bad.
> 
> That said, there are chapters who receive hundreds of thousands of
> dollars in funding from the FDC despite having objectively achieved
> very little to date; certainly that means there is an opportunity
> there for people with an interest in dedicating themselves full time
> to this work to be compensated fairly through a funded WMF affiliate.
> 
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Carol Moore dc]

On 10/21/2013 2:41 AM, Sarah Granger wrote:

I could see some women's organizations getting really angry once they 
understand the problem, and blaming men for sexism, when the problem, 
as all of us on this list know, is much more complex and not an 
outright issue like that.


It may not be as much an issue in getting women initially involved and 
editing.


It becomes a primary issue once they edit articles where they start to 
run into aggressive young males who act like Wikipedia is an 
intellectual video game where the goal is to win at all costs and 
frustrate/annoy/attack one's "opponent".  And see how much "free speech 
fun" you can have if you suspect the opponent is young and female. (Even 
we sexegenarians run into some of that.)


Then a significant number - majority? super-majority? - run for the hills.

Being a tough old bird it took me seven years to get sufficiently fed 
up, but I'm almost there and have removed myself from articles where 
battleground behavior by major and macho POV pushers exist. The 
encyclopedia may be more absurdly biased in a number of articles I 
worked on, including BLPs I used to try to keep NPOV, but enough is 
enough...


A greater willingness to admit the problem of young male 
aggression/gamesmanship, and replacing it with collaboration, mentoring, 
wikilove -- and firmly dealing with abusers with lots of short blocks to 
rethink their behavior -- would help.


CM




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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Sydney]

Sarah, welcome to the discussion and thank you for the work that you are 
already doing. 

I'm very interested in hearing more about your organizations and your ideas.

I agree that we need to think big! 

The situation is ripe to form an international organization that brings 
together existing organizations and active Wikimedia editors in a coalition 
that coordinates a big campaign. 

The user group is an easy first step to gain affiliation with the WMF because 
it doesn't require formal legal registration. 
Once we get the ball rolling, a WMF affiliated thematic organization might 
better serve the needs the group. But for the initial organizing stage, the 
user group should work fine.

Regards,

Sydney Poore
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2013, at 2:41, Sarah Granger  wrote:

> I've been largely lurking on this list due to lack of time to contribute to 
> the discussion and the fact I'm not really a very experienced Wikipedia 
> contributor, but the reason I joined this list is because I very much want to 
> help solve the Wikipedia gender gap problem. I think it's incredibly 
> important and that most people working in digital media have no clue how 
> significant this is. The focus of my work is how digital media affects our 
> lives and our world, and with more people online every day and Wikipedia as 
> the world's online encyclopedia, I think the gender imbalance can only affect 
> digital culture long-term in a negative way.
> 
> What I envision is a coalition of like-minded organizations working together 
> on a campaign to build awareness, educate people on the roots of the problem, 
> recruit & train new contributors. I work with a lot of digital media 
> campaigners for women's organizations, with women in tech organizations, and 
> with organizations supporting women in media - and digital media. I also have 
> connections at more traditional feminist organizations. I strongly believe 
> these organizations will help if they can first become aware themselves. Most 
> are just not thinking about how digital media and wikipedia affects gender 
> bias online and in general. But there are literally a few hundred online 
> activists / digital strategists at various organizations who I know would 
> care about this if they are just approached the right way to help.
> 
> So I encourage everyone here to think big and outside the box. I founded the 
> Center for Technology, Media & Society with the purpose of taking on issues 
> that have slipped under the radar of other organizations because they're 
> interdisciplinary. This is one of the core areas I want to work on. We don't 
> have c3 status yet, we haven't fundraised. I had to take a break to write a 
> book and just finished the writing part of the process, but I had a pilot 
> project set up with a list of worthy women who should have sites but don't, 
> and I signed up some women willing to try contributing, but we got stuck at 
> the training part because of time and general learning curve. Also, I didn't 
> want to reinvent the wheel on anything the Wikimedia Foundation was doing.
> 
> I really want to be a part of this conversation long-term because I think if 
> we do this right, we could make a huge difference. I have a background in 
> national digital campaigns, so my ideas come from that world. A few ideas I 
> had: launching an international wikipedia training week for women &/or having 
> a wikipedia editing week, a regular monthly wikiwomen day where we blast 
> social networks & engage women to add & edit pages, putting together some 
> clever online memes to build awareness, Tweetups, FB buttons, a blog 
> carnival, building a campaign specific website to explain the problem, 
> solutions, recruit participants, etc... especially reaching out to young 
> women in tech. I spoke at a conference of young women in computing in the 
> midwest yesterday and that kind of audience I think would be perfect for 
> recruiting new Wikipedia women contributors.
> 
> The one other reason I've been treading cautiously is because I believe that 
> anything done to improve Wikipedia's content should ideally be done with some 
> buy-in from the community, rather than criticizing it. I could see some 
> women's organizations getting really angry once they understand the problem, 
> and blaming men for sexism, when the problem, as all of us on this list know, 
> is much more complex and not an outright issue like that. I want to make sure 
> they are invited in as partners and that they are being constructive and 
> proactive. There are always ways to use humor to bridge the gap when working 
> on messaging around the issue, but we really need everyone on board.
> 
> I didn't mean to write this much... it's late where I am. I hope this 
> provides some helpful additional thoughts and ideas. I really want to help 
> with this. I think ideally it would be run from within the Wikimedia 
> organization, partnering with all the others I mentioned, so I

Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Sydney]

Welcome to the list Cobi. :-)

I want to talk with you more about your thoughts. We are in agreement that 
rewarding existing groups or projects who demonstrate the ability to be 
inclusive is one way to fight systemic bias. 

I'm on the WMF's Fund Dissemination Committee that gives unrestricted grants to 
fund annual plans of WMF affiliated organizations. These groups are the largest 
and most complex organizations who will be receiving between $100, 000 to $2, 
000, 000. 

Diversity work is one of the areas that organizations can highlight in the 
proposal to show that they are working on projects that advance the WMF's goals 
as stated in WMF Strategic Plan. 

Right now we are in the open community review part of the process. This phase  
gives anyone the chance to look at the proposals and ask questions or comment. 

It would be great to have people who are knowledgable about different types of 
programs or activities weighing in about whether the proposal is addressing the 
gender gap in a meaningful way.

The talk pages of the proposals  are closely monitored by the organizations and 
the FDC staff and committee members and is the best place to leave comments or 
questions. 

The community review is open for 10 more days. Leaving your comments about the 
proposals now is the best way to influence funding of WMF's largest 
organizations.

This page is where to begin reviewing the proposals. 

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2012-2013_round2#Appropriate_and_diverse_funding_sources_.28Project_grants_versus_FDC_annual_plan_funding.29

Spread the word.

Cobi, let's talk more about your ideas and how we can encourage existing groups 
to be more inclusive.

Regards,

Sydney Poore

from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2013, at 0:48, Cobi  wrote:

> Hey, 
> this is the first time I've actually added anything to discussion on this 
> list :)
> 
> I agree that trying to address the issue by hiring one or two activists 
> taking on responsiblity for talking about it/acting on it wouldn't address 
> what I consider to be the big problem of "environmental challenges" or 
> systemic bias, as having people focused specifically on the issue can mean 
> that people who don't care or inadvertently contribute to the problem can 
> continue to dismiss it as a niche issue. In my experience I find it more 
> effective to say, for example, that I think open access is really important 
> and I will contribute to open access projects, but if people behave in ways 
> that contribute to systemic bias, I will not contribute further as I prefer 
> to focus my energies elsewhere. 
> 
> As research about women in engineering shows, benefits-focused recruitment 
> drives won't work if women (or other underrepresented peoples in Wikipedia) 
> get lost along a leaky pipeline, when after acquiring the technical skills to 
> contribute, they come to feel that their contributions aren't valued and they 
> are better off focusing energies elsewhere. I'm working in international 
> development - part of that often involves disaggregating data to see which 
> projects are involving people of diverse genders and ages and ethnicities for 
> example, and which aren't, and refocusing funding to value groups that 
> demonstrate the ability to be inclusive, or that specifically engage people 
> who are often left out in genuine decision-making and empowerment - rather 
> than pushing them to work for little return. Perhaps one strategy is to look 
> at the composition of existing WMF-affiliated user groups, to see what gaps 
> exist in what WMF is endorsing (and giving grants for. I think it would 
> useful to have an activist involved in every single user group, contributing 
> there and raising awareness of issues among other editors, but that's a 
> burden on each of those activists to lead change in those groups. I wouldn't 
> be comfortable joining a group just focused on this issue, for fear of 
> harassment or people being more subtly difficult, knowing I'm focusing 
> energies in this area that they might be opposed to - I'd be more comfortable 
> being part of a project in which women editors contribute to other projects 
> and that WMF works to ensure their contributions are valued and supported, 
> recognizing that systemic bias means value and support is less likely to 
> happen naturally within the system. 
> 
> Perhaps they're not mutually exclusive though. I'm sharing this hoping it 
> helps to explain why some people, who are activists in this area, aren't 
> necessarily active in the way proposed right now :)
> 
> Cheers, Cobi
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alixos
> 
> 
> On Oct 18, 2556 BE, at 6:29 AM, Sydney Poore wrote:
> 
>> Hi ,
>> 
>> Today I began the discussion about establishing a Wikimedia Foundation 
>> affiliated user group around the topic of addressing the gender gap in 
>> Wikimedia Foundation projects. I see this as being an international 
>> organization where people from all over the w

Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Sarah Granger]

I've been largely lurking on this list due to lack of time to contribute to the 
discussion and the fact I'm not really a very experienced Wikipedia 
contributor, but the reason I joined this list is because I very much want to 
help solve the Wikipedia gender gap problem. I think it's incredibly important 
and that most people working in digital media have no clue how significant this 
is. The focus of my work is how digital media affects our lives and our world, 
and with more people online every day and Wikipedia as the world's online 
encyclopedia, I think the gender imbalance can only affect digital culture 
long-term in a negative way.

What I envision is a coalition of like-minded organizations working together on 
a campaign to build awareness, educate people on the roots of the problem, 
recruit & train new contributors. I work with a lot of digital media 
campaigners for women's organizations, with women in tech organizations, and 
with organizations supporting women in media - and digital media. I also have 
connections at more traditional feminist organizations. I strongly believe 
these organizations will help if they can first become aware themselves. Most 
are just not thinking about how digital media and wikipedia affects gender bias 
online and in general. But there are literally a few hundred online activists / 
digital strategists at various organizations who I know would care about this 
if they are just approached the right way to help.

So I encourage everyone here to think big and outside the box. I founded the 
Center for Technology, Media & Society with the purpose of taking on issues 
that have slipped under the radar of other organizations because they're 
interdisciplinary. This is one of the core areas I want to work on. We don't 
have c3 status yet, we haven't fundraised. I had to take a break to write a 
book and just finished the writing part of the process, but I had a pilot 
project set up with a list of worthy women who should have sites but don't, and 
I signed up some women willing to try contributing, but we got stuck at the 
training part because of time and general learning curve. Also, I didn't want 
to reinvent the wheel on anything the Wikimedia Foundation was doing.

I really want to be a part of this conversation long-term because I think if we 
do this right, we could make a huge difference. I have a background in national 
digital campaigns, so my ideas come from that world. A few ideas I had: 
launching an international wikipedia training week for women &/or having a 
wikipedia editing week, a regular monthly wikiwomen day where we blast social 
networks & engage women to add & edit pages, putting together some clever 
online memes to build awareness, Tweetups, FB buttons, a blog carnival, 
building a campaign specific website to explain the problem, solutions, recruit 
participants, etc... especially reaching out to young women in tech. I spoke at 
a conference of young women in computing in the midwest yesterday and that kind 
of audience I think would be perfect for recruiting new Wikipedia women 
contributors.

The one other reason I've been treading cautiously is because I believe that 
anything done to improve Wikipedia's content should ideally be done with some 
buy-in from the community, rather than criticizing it. I could see some women's 
organizations getting really angry once they understand the problem, and 
blaming men for sexism, when the problem, as all of us on this list know, is 
much more complex and not an outright issue like that. I want to make sure they 
are invited in as partners and that they are being constructive and proactive. 
There are always ways to use humor to bridge the gap when working on messaging 
around the issue, but we really need everyone on board.

I didn't mean to write this much... it's late where I am. I hope this provides 
some helpful additional thoughts and ideas. I really want to help with this. I 
think ideally it would be run from within the Wikimedia organization, 
partnering with all the others I mentioned, so I think the user group sounds 
like a good plan if that's the right operational entity (not being fully versed 
in the Wikimedia org structure, I'm deferring to others here), but if that 
can't be done, for whatever reason, I'd be happy to find the an organization 
that would be a good fit for that role, or we could take it on in our 
organization if we have enough support from others (since we're scrappy with 
zero resources at the moment).

Please keep me in the loop and let me know how I can help best, but count me in 
for whatever group, organization or coalition.

- Sarah Granger


On Oct 20, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Cobi  wrote:

> Hey, 
> this is the first time I've actually added anything to discussion on this 
> list :)
> 
> I agree that trying to address the issue by hiring one or two activists 
> taking on responsiblity for talking about it/acting on it wouldn't address 
> what I consider to be t

Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Cobi]

Hey, 
this is the first time I've actually added anything to discussion on this list 
:)

I agree that trying to address the issue by hiring one or two activists taking 
on responsiblity for talking about it/acting on it wouldn't address what I 
consider to be the big problem of "environmental challenges" or systemic bias, 
as having people focused specifically on the issue can mean that people who 
don't care or inadvertently contribute to the problem can continue to dismiss 
it as a niche issue. In my experience I find it more effective to say, for 
example, that I think open access is really important and I will contribute to 
open access projects, but if people behave in ways that contribute to systemic 
bias, I will not contribute further as I prefer to focus my energies elsewhere. 

As research about women in engineering shows, benefits-focused recruitment 
drives won't work if women (or other underrepresented peoples in Wikipedia) get 
lost along a leaky pipeline, when after acquiring the technical skills to 
contribute, they come to feel that their contributions aren't valued and they 
are better off focusing energies elsewhere. I'm working in international 
development - part of that often involves disaggregating data to see which 
projects are involving people of diverse genders and ages and ethnicities for 
example, and which aren't, and refocusing funding to value groups that 
demonstrate the ability to be inclusive, or that specifically engage people who 
are often left out in genuine decision-making and empowerment - rather than 
pushing them to work for little return. Perhaps one strategy is to look at the 
composition of existing WMF-affiliated user groups, to see what gaps exist in 
what WMF is endorsing (and giving grants for. I think it would useful to have 
an activist involved in every single user group, contributing there and raising 
awareness of issues among other editors, but that's a burden on each of those 
activists to lead change in those groups. I wouldn't be comfortable joining a 
group just focused on this issue, for fear of harassment or people being more 
subtly difficult, knowing I'm focusing energies in this area that they might be 
opposed to - I'd be more comfortable being part of a project in which women 
editors contribute to other projects and that WMF works to ensure their 
contributions are valued and supported, recognizing that systemic bias means 
value and support is less likely to happen naturally within the system. 

Perhaps they're not mutually exclusive though. I'm sharing this hoping it helps 
to explain why some people, who are activists in this area, aren't necessarily 
active in the way proposed right now :)

Cheers, Cobi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alixos


On Oct 18, 2556 BE, at 6:29 AM, Sydney Poore wrote:

> Hi ,
> 
> Today I began the discussion about establishing a Wikimedia Foundation 
> affiliated user group around the topic of addressing the gender gap in 
> Wikimedia Foundation projects. I see this as being an international 
> organization where people from all over the world can work together on this 
> common cause. 
> 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gender_gap_strategy_2013#Establishing_a_WMF-affiliated_user_group
> 
> The threshold for being recognized is pretty low., only 3 people, but I would 
> not want to go for affiliation with less than 10 interested people. And I 
> hope we can attract many many more.
> 
> I plan to discuss this in Berlin at the Diversity Conference but want to make 
> it clear that the organization is open to every one interested in actively 
> working on the topic. So please spread the word. 
> 
> I put a sign up space in the thread so we can capture the initial interest 
> that came out of this thread. 
> 
> One of the key discussion will be the name of the group. So everyone put 
> their thinking caps on so we can make this decision within the next month of 
> so.
> 
> Sydney Poore
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Nathan  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sydney  wrote:
> > Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take the
> > lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there
> > definitely is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing to
> > assist as their time permits.
> 
> 
> That's unfortunate. I understood the narrowing focus to mean not
> placing WMF offices and contractors around the world, or doing sort of
> boots on the ground face to face outreach. Since usability initiatives
> and some other programs are still ongoing, it seems like the gender
> gap should've stayed on the table for direct involvement even if not
> through the vehicle of the fellowship program. Too bad.
> 
> That said, there are chapters who receive hundreds of thousands of
> dollars in funding from the FDC despite having objectively achieved
> very little to date; certainly that means there is an opportunity
> there for people with an interest 

Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Sydney Poore]

Hi ,

Today I began the discussion about establishing a Wikimedia Foundation
affiliated user group around the topic of addressing the gender gap in
Wikimedia Foundation projects. I see this as being an international
organization where people from all over the world can work together on this
common cause.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gender_gap_strategy_2013#Establishing_a_WMF-affiliated_user_group

The threshold for being recognized is pretty low., only 3 people, but I
would not want to go for affiliation with less than 10 interested people.
And I hope we can attract many many more.

I plan to discuss this in Berlin at the Diversity Conference but want to
make it clear that the organization is open to every one interested in
actively working on the topic. So please spread the word.

I put a sign up space in the thread so we can capture the initial interest
that came out of this thread.

One of the key discussion will be the name of the group. So everyone put
their thinking caps on so we can make this decision within the next month
of so.

Sydney Poore


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Nathan  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sydney  wrote:
> > Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take
> the
> > lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there
> > definitely is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing
> to
> > assist as their time permits.
>
>
> That's unfortunate. I understood the narrowing focus to mean not
> placing WMF offices and contractors around the world, or doing sort of
> boots on the ground face to face outreach. Since usability initiatives
> and some other programs are still ongoing, it seems like the gender
> gap should've stayed on the table for direct involvement even if not
> through the vehicle of the fellowship program. Too bad.
>
> That said, there are chapters who receive hundreds of thousands of
> dollars in funding from the FDC despite having objectively achieved
> very little to date; certainly that means there is an opportunity
> there for people with an interest in dedicating themselves full time
> to this work to be compensated fairly through a funded WMF affiliate.
>
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[Siko Bouterse]

Rohini, I've been excited to see the India work plan develop and will be
really interested to hear what comes next as plans develop into action!
 We've been wondering if you and others in the India community would want
to partner with WMF to organize a gender gap event in Bangalore in February
as followup to Diversity Conferenceit seems like having more ways to
gather and grow the conversation in person a couple of times this year
could be useful.  And perhaps an affiliate org (go, Sydney!!) could help
keep that happening over time too.

Even though we don't have a focused gender gap grants program in particular
(although WMF Engineering does have the Outreach Program for Women, which
is awesomely getting more women involved in MediaWiki), I'd love to find
ways to encourage more grant proposals for projects aimed at the gender gap
coming into IdeaLab, IEG, etc...I wonder if we can organize some sort of
2014 campaign around this?

WMF doesn't have staff whose full-time jobs are focused on this issue,
that's true, but there are lots of us who care and do want to put time and
energy towards this work as we're able.



On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Rohini Lakshané wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Last month, I had put together a work plan for Gender gap activities in
> India: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap_India_work_plan
>
> I would greatly appreciate it if you could add your suggestions, feedback
> and comments to the work plan or post them here. The strategy shared by
> Siko Bouterse is full of ideas I could incorporate into the work plan, and
> it addresses some of the challenges I have been thinking long and hard
> about. I am delighted to see that a Gender gap event in 
> Indiacould
>  be in the offing. :)
>
> Regards,
> Rohini
> --
> Chairperson (Special Interest Group), Gender gap,
> Wikimedia Chapter (India)
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Siko Bouterse wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In July, we hosted a small gathering in San Francisco to consider the
>> current state of the gender gap and brainstorm some initiatives that
>> community and staff (WMF grantmakers, etc) might work on together in the
>> coming year. After a shamefully long time,[1] notes from this meeting are
>> finally up on meta:
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap_strategy_2013
>>
>> Please join 
>> in,
>> improve, share your thoughts about what's there or add new 
>> ideasto
>>  the brainstorm list!  If people are interested, we might build on this
>> more together both on meta and at Diversity Conference in Berlin next
>> month.[2]
>>
>> I'm also planning to host an IdeaLab session at Diversity Conference to
>> work together on action plans for diversity-focused projects. If you aren't
>> able to attend in person, perhaps you'd want to write up your favorite idea
>> in the IdeaLab instead, to spark some more collaborations?
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Siko
>>
>> [1] Yes, it really did take me 3 months to finish removing an
>> under-construction template and decide some things are just going to stay
>> messy, sigh.
>> [2] Reminder to register by Oct 20th, I understand the program schedule
>> will be published later this week:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Diversity_Conference
>>
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>>
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[Nathan]

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sydney  wrote:
> Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take the
> lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there
> definitely is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing to
> assist as their time permits.


That's unfortunate. I understood the narrowing focus to mean not
placing WMF offices and contractors around the world, or doing sort of
boots on the ground face to face outreach. Since usability initiatives
and some other programs are still ongoing, it seems like the gender
gap should've stayed on the table for direct involvement even if not
through the vehicle of the fellowship program. Too bad.

That said, there are chapters who receive hundreds of thousands of
dollars in funding from the FDC despite having objectively achieved
very little to date; certainly that means there is an opportunity
there for people with an interest in dedicating themselves full time
to this work to be compensated fairly through a funded WMF affiliate.

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[Sydney]

Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take the 
lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there definitely 
is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing to assist as their 
time permits. 

One of my recent ideas was to make a skill and experience list of WMF staff and 
community volunteers who want to time permitting work on the issue.

I'm going to be in San Francisco in November for the FDC meeting and plan to be 
in touch with WMF staff (including Sarah if she's available)  to figure out the 
best way to harness WMF staff energy and enthusiasm. We can start the list on 
site so the community members can add themselves. And at the diversity 
conference we can also gather people's skills.

I'll put something on meta tomorrow if no one else beats me to it.

Sydney

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 16, 2013, at 15:40, Sarah Stierch  wrote:

> Nathan, you mentioned hiring a contractor or a staff member. I was a fellow 
> last year, and I did all of that (speaking at conference, media outlets, 
> generate initiatives, etc.) but the focus of WMF changed so my contract 
> wasn't extended and a position was not formed. And some of us - Adrianne, 
> Netha, myself - spend a large portion of our volunteer time devoted to this. 
> I've stopped sending press coverage to this mailing list - but, we just got 
> done with a big push for Ada Lovelace Day events, which was covered in 
> everything from the BBC to Al Jazeera. I also speak at conferences, as do 
> many other women on this list. We just don't post it here. 
> 
> WMF also pulled out of GLAM-Wiki work - so I see it as this: a chance for the 
> community to lead the fight. And get money as needed from WMF as possible. 
> That's what the GLAM-wiki community has done. And that's sort of what we have 
> to do, and find specific people at WMF who can provide support as needed 
> (Siko, Anasuya, me, etc) and find money as needed (WMF has it) and organize a 
> bit more and get going. 
> 
> that's what WWC was formed for - a grass roots effort inspired by the women's 
> movements of the past (and kinda present but not really these days), it's 
> just been next to impossible to find people to take WWC to the next level (a 
> user group). 
> 
> But, it's frustrating as hell, for me, at least. 
> 
> -Sarah
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>> It just seems like there is a lot of sort of low-hanging fruit
>> opportunity that the WMF could take advantage of if its serious about
>> really addressing the issue. Why not hire an activist of sorts to be
>> either a WMF employee or a grant funded contractor, who can develop
>> initiatives, speak at conferences and to media outlets, etc.? Generate
>> attention by participating in general tech communities and
>> tech/education conferences open to gender panels and speakers, solicit
>> reporting from news outlets and blogs, literally even place advertised
>> invitations to edit in venues with high visibility to women.
>> 
>> That's the thing, imho, that's been missing from this list and from
>> the WMF since the gender gap was identified as a serious (data
>> supported) problem: big picture activism and effort. One thing we've
>> realized as a community is that a lot of the small-bore outreach
>> efforts don't work well, so why not devote more resources to
>> large-bore recruitment? I'm not saying nothing has been done - indeed,
>> Sarah and Sue and others have put a ton of effort out, but it appears
>> to me that the WMF could be a lot more dedicated to it than it has
>> been.
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Nathan]

Ah, I use this as my main source of gender gap news, so maybe I just
don't know what's going on because it's not being reported here. (I
did read here about Ada Lovelace events, and I saw it mentioned in at
least one media outlet, but not more than that).

But I'm confused as to why the WMF would move away from efforts to
address the gender gap. I think it's great that you and others are
devoting your free time and resources to this, but wouldn't it be more
effective to allow someone to devote an experts full professional time
to it? That person could also be a liaison to any usergroup or
affiliate that gets set up, and an advocate within the WMF to allocate
resources with the gender gap in mind.

One thing that's been discussed is the environmental challenge that
Wikimedia projects present which particularly effect women, so why not
spend some time developing sustained protected channels for
collaboratively generating content to be submitted? Polished
submissions are far less likely to be deleted or trashed, and it might
mitigate a lot of the problems with difficult personalities. That's
just spitballing, I'm sure most subscribers to this list could up with
many more and better ideas for really potentially meaningful impact.

Fundamentally, the WMF has a ton of money and has dedicated a huge
amount of effort and infrastructure to giving it away. Sue has
publicly argued that a lot of that money isn't necessarily being well
spent, so when there are such clear opportunities to address what
really is a core flaw for Wikimedia projects... why not push funding,
resources and brains towards them? I'd love to see a "Wikimedia
Campaign" to close the gender gap that has the status of a strategic
initiative. It seems particularly appropriate for something like that
to form one small, lasting part of Sue's legacy as ED.

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[Sarah Stierch]

Nathan, you mentioned hiring a contractor or a staff member. I was a fellow
last year, and I did all of that (speaking at conference, media outlets,
generate initiatives, etc.) but the focus of WMF changed so my contract
wasn't extended and a position was not formed. And some of us - Adrianne,
Netha, myself - spend a large portion of our volunteer time devoted to
this. I've stopped sending press coverage to this mailing list - but, we
just got done with a big push for Ada Lovelace Day events, which was
covered in everything from the BBC to Al Jazeera. I also speak at
conferences, as do many other women on this list. We just don't post it
here.

WMF also pulled out of GLAM-Wiki work - so I see it as this: a chance for
the community to lead the fight. And get money as needed from WMF as
possible. That's what the GLAM-wiki community has done. And that's sort of
what we have to do, and find specific people at WMF who can provide support
as needed (Siko, Anasuya, me, etc) and find money as needed (WMF has it)
and organize a bit more and get going.

that's what WWC was formed for - a grass roots effort inspired by the
women's movements of the past (and kinda present but not really these
days), it's just been next to impossible to find people to take WWC to the
next level (a user group).

But, it's frustrating as hell, for me, at least.

-Sarah


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Nathan  wrote:

> It just seems like there is a lot of sort of low-hanging fruit
> opportunity that the WMF could take advantage of if its serious about
> really addressing the issue. Why not hire an activist of sorts to be
> either a WMF employee or a grant funded contractor, who can develop
> initiatives, speak at conferences and to media outlets, etc.? Generate
> attention by participating in general tech communities and
> tech/education conferences open to gender panels and speakers, solicit
> reporting from news outlets and blogs, literally even place advertised
> invitations to edit in venues with high visibility to women.
>
> That's the thing, imho, that's been missing from this list and from
> the WMF since the gender gap was identified as a serious (data
> supported) problem: big picture activism and effort. One thing we've
> realized as a community is that a lot of the small-bore outreach
> efforts don't work well, so why not devote more resources to
> large-bore recruitment? I'm not saying nothing has been done - indeed,
> Sarah and Sue and others have put a ton of effort out, but it appears
> to me that the WMF could be a lot more dedicated to it than it has
> been.
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Sarah Stierch]

Do keep me posted it something comes out of the diversity conference. I'd
like to be involved in the formation if a usergroup if it's possible.

I talked to people in Hong Kong about forming a group to advise for
Wikimania and provide a safe space for women to hang out and to provide a
space for anyone (regardless of gender) to come if anything happens (sexual
assault, harassment, and it never fails to happen). And I could see a group
like that helping with that.

I'm not attending the diversity conference, unfortunately, so I look
forward to hearing any outcomes about a user group.

Thanks Sydney for taking the lead!

-Sarah


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Sydney  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> To my knowledge there is not a true Wikimedia affiliated organization
> focused on the gender gap. But I would like to change that. :-)
>
> It is on the list of ideas from the WMF gathering. I was thinking of an
> user group as a first step.
>
> At the diversity conference next month  I was planning to launch it if
> there was interest but we can go ahead and start the discussion now.
>
> Sydney Poore
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 16, 2013, at 15:22, Nathan  wrote:
>
> > This might be a dumb question, but are there any ongoing GenderGap
> > related efforts right now outside of content projects (i.e. other than
> > on a Wikipedia etc.)? Is there a thematic organization focused on it,
> > or any significant research or outreach grants or programs? It seems
> > like an obvious candidate for an affiliate group, but I don't recall
> > reading about one.
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[Nathan]

It just seems like there is a lot of sort of low-hanging fruit
opportunity that the WMF could take advantage of if its serious about
really addressing the issue. Why not hire an activist of sorts to be
either a WMF employee or a grant funded contractor, who can develop
initiatives, speak at conferences and to media outlets, etc.? Generate
attention by participating in general tech communities and
tech/education conferences open to gender panels and speakers, solicit
reporting from news outlets and blogs, literally even place advertised
invitations to edit in venues with high visibility to women.

That's the thing, imho, that's been missing from this list and from
the WMF since the gender gap was identified as a serious (data
supported) problem: big picture activism and effort. One thing we've
realized as a community is that a lot of the small-bore outreach
efforts don't work well, so why not devote more resources to
large-bore recruitment? I'm not saying nothing has been done - indeed,
Sarah and Sue and others have put a ton of effort out, but it appears
to me that the WMF could be a lot more dedicated to it than it has
been.

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[Sydney]

Hi,

To my knowledge there is not a true Wikimedia affiliated organization focused 
on the gender gap. But I would like to change that. :-)

It is on the list of ideas from the WMF gathering. I was thinking of an user 
group as a first step. 

At the diversity conference next month  I was planning to launch it if there 
was interest but we can go ahead and start the discussion now.

Sydney Poore

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 16, 2013, at 15:22, Nathan  wrote:

> This might be a dumb question, but are there any ongoing GenderGap
> related efforts right now outside of content projects (i.e. other than
> on a Wikipedia etc.)? Is there a thematic organization focused on it,
> or any significant research or outreach grants or programs? It seems
> like an obvious candidate for an affiliate group, but I don't recall
> reading about one.
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[Sarah Stierch]

WikiWomen's Collaborative aims to improve contributions of women on any
project, but, we mainly focus on Wikipedia and Commons right now since
that's where I mainly contribute and I'm still the primary person who does
the social media for the program.

I did bounce around the idea of starting a affiliate or usergroup for WWC,
but, my capacity won't allow it anytime soon.

-Sarah


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Nathan  wrote:

> This might be a dumb question, but are there any ongoing GenderGap
> related efforts right now outside of content projects (i.e. other than
> on a Wikipedia etc.)? Is there a thematic organization focused on it,
> or any significant research or outreach grants or programs? It seems
> like an obvious candidate for an affiliate group, but I don't recall
> reading about one.
>
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[Nathan]

This might be a dumb question, but are there any ongoing GenderGap
related efforts right now outside of content projects (i.e. other than
on a Wikipedia etc.)? Is there a thematic organization focused on it,
or any significant research or outreach grants or programs? It seems
like an obvious candidate for an affiliate group, but I don't recall
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Rohini Lakshané]

Hello everyone,

Last month, I had put together a work plan for Gender gap activities in
India: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap_India_work_plan

I would greatly appreciate it if you could add your suggestions, feedback
and comments to the work plan or post them here. The strategy shared by
Siko Bouterse is full of ideas I could incorporate into the work plan, and
it addresses some of the challenges I have been thinking long and hard
about. I am delighted to see that a Gender gap event in
Indiacould
be in the offing. :)

Regards,
Rohini
--
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Wikimedia Chapter (India)


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Siko Bouterse wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In July, we hosted a small gathering in San Francisco to consider the
> current state of the gender gap and brainstorm some initiatives that
> community and staff (WMF grantmakers, etc) might work on together in the
> coming year. After a shamefully long time,[1] notes from this meeting are
> finally up on meta:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap_strategy_2013
>
> Please join 
> in,
> improve, share your thoughts about what's there or add new 
> ideasto
>  the brainstorm list!  If people are interested, we might build on this
> more together both on meta and at Diversity Conference in Berlin next
> month.[2]
>
> I'm also planning to host an IdeaLab session at Diversity Conference to
> work together on action plans for diversity-focused projects. If you aren't
> able to attend in person, perhaps you'd want to write up your favorite idea
> in the IdeaLab instead, to spark some more collaborations?
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab
>
> Warm regards,
> Siko
>
> [1] Yes, it really did take me 3 months to finish removing an
> under-construction template and decide some things are just going to stay
> messy, sigh.
> [2] Reminder to register by Oct 20th, I understand the program schedule
> will be published later this week:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Diversity_Conference
>
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