Re: [VOTE] Release Apache PageSpeed 1.14.36.1-rc5 (respin)

[Jukka Zitting]

[x] +1 approve

Best,

Jukka


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:06 AM Otto van der Schaaf 
wrote:

> This is a new call for vote to release Apache PageSpeed (Incubating)
> version
> 1.14.36.1: the other thread was accidentally send as html, and
> contained a bad link which
> pointed towards the previous RC (sorry!).
>
> The Apache PageSpeed community has voted on and approved a proposal to
> release Apache PageSpeed (Incubating) version 1.14.36.1.
>
> RC4 received enough  +1 VOTEs on this list, but before calling it we
> discovered
> a blocking issue. RC5 resolves that, and has no other changes.
>
> We now kindly request the Incubator PMC members review and vote on this
> incubator release.
>
> Apache PageSpeed (incubating) represents a series of open source
> technologies to help make the web faster by rewriting web pages to reduce
> latency and bandwidth.
>
> PageSpeed community vote and result thread:
> Vote:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc898797ac58b88f910ae99078a7f92a31488d76aea215b35c32aba27%40%3Cdev.pagespeed.apache.org%3E
>
> The release candidates (RC5):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/pagespeed/1.14.36.1-rc5/
>
> Git tag for the release:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pagespeed-mod/releases/tag/v1.14.36.1
>
> Hash for the release tag:
> e515ddc905510a7041560a8fc712f1624e776e02
>
> Release Notes:
> Need to be added over at
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pagespeed-website/blob/asf-site/content/doc/release_notes.html
>
> Draft:https://gist.github.com/oschaaf/0e8788989b8cc121ea0711d9e3e00d46
>
> The artifacts have been signed with Key :
> 8AB8523D6BAEA62811491DA04227FCC1D8C2B4F2, which can be
> found in the keys file:
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/pagespeed/1.14.36.1-rc5/KEYS
>
> The vote will be open for at least 72 hours or until necessary number of
> votes are reached.
>
> Please vote accordingly:
> [ ] +1 approve
> [ ] +0 no opinion
> [ ] -1 disapprove with the reason
>
> Otto
> Apache PageSpeed
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache PageSpeed 1.14.36.1-rc4

[Jukka Zitting]

[x] +1 approve

mod-pagespeed-incubating-1.14.36.1-r0.tar.bz2:
9001DCED 8688E634 8FC48AE8 55EE22AE 0B97BFB2 4BC26255 EDDB8AFB BCD4D314
018442C7
 F936A079 86FE8F0F 7CE1569E 39230293 60E7BEE7 C7950333 9AE1315F

Double-checked the improvements made earlier in https://s.apache.org/1tbs4
and https://s.apache.org/kt13j. The concerns noted by Justin should get
addressed by the proposed release process changes in those threads, but as
discussed the project prefers not to block on that.

Best,

Jukka

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 5:31 PM Otto van der Schaaf 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> This is a call for vote to release Apache PageSpeed (Incubating) version
> 1.14.36.1.
>
> The Apache PageSpeed community has voted on and approved a proposal to
> release
> Apache PageSpeed (Incubating) version 1.14.36.1.
>
> We now kindly request the Incubator PMC members review and vote on this
> incubator release.
>
> Apache PageSpeed (incubating) represents a series of open source
> technologies to help make the web faster by rewriting web pages to reduce
> latency and bandwidth.
>
> PageSpeed community vote and result thread:
> Vote:
>
> https://ponymail-vm.apache.org/_GUI_/thread.html/r13e4d4e5b635d081f986c9820ce488e9c5bd0308f237cb964810ef80%40%3Cdev.pagespeed.apache.org%3E
>
>
> The release candidates (RC4):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/pagespeed/1.14.36.1-rc4/
>
> Git tag for the release:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pagespeed-mod/releases/tag/v1.14.36.1
>
> Hash for the release tag:
> aacd0f7c8a4e3dbd330af77afe089782a59ddaab
>
> Release Notes:
> Need to be added over at
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pagespeed-website/blob/asf-site/content/doc/release_notes.html
>
> Draft:https://gist.github.com/oschaaf/0e8788989b8cc121ea0711d9e3e00d46
>
> The artifacts have been signed with Key :
> 8AB8523D6BAEA62811491DA04227FCC1D8C2B4F2, which can be
> found in the keys file:
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/pagespeed/1.14.36.1-rc4/KEYS
>
>
> The vote will be open for at least 72 hours or until necessary number of
> votes are reached.
>
> Please vote accordingly:
> [ ] +1 approve
> [ ] +0 no opinion
> [ ] -1 disapprove with the reason
>
> Otto
> Apache PageSpeed
>

Re: request to be added to the ContributorsGroup

[Jukka Zitting]

Done.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:40 AM David P Grove  wrote:

>
> Please add my new incubator wiki account (DaveGrove) to the
> ContributorsGroup for the incubator wiki so I can submit the OpenWhisk
> podling quarterly report.
>
> thanks,
>
> --dave
> (OpenWhisk PPMC member)
>

Re: write access for podling report

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Dale LaBossiere  wrote:
> Thanks and done!  “DaleLaBossiere"

Great! I added you to ContributorsGroup, so you should be all set now.

Best,

Jukka

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Re: write access for podling report

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi Dale,

On Oct 30, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Dale LaBossiere  wrote:
> Please give me write access to that page for Edgent.

You'll need to create a wiki account at
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator. See the instructions at the
beginning of the page, next to the incubator logo.

Best,

Jukka

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Re: Wiki edit access

[Jukka Zitting]

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 8:18 PM Leif Hedstrom  wrote:
> I had to create a new account on the Incubator Wiki, can I please get access 
> for LeifHedstrom / zw...@apache.org  to edit ?

Done.

Best,

Jukka

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Re: [VOTE] Accept PageSpeed into the Apache Incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

ins/experimental/ats_pagespeed/|ats_pagespeed
> ]]
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The origin of the proposed code base can be found at
> https://github.com/pagespeed/. The code base is primarily in C/C++ (Google
> C++ Style).
>
> == Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan ==
> Google will submit a Software Grant Agreement (SGA) as mod_pagespeed and
> ngx_pagespeed join the incubator. We do not expect any complications for
> the submission of these code bases, which are already on Github and Apache
> licensed. [[
> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/ats-ats_speed.html|ats_pagespeed
> already has been submitted]].
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> List of external dependancies: [[
> https://github.com/pagespeed/mod_pagespeed/tree/master/third_party|third
> party deps]].
> We believe most of these dependencies meet all Apache policies, and will
> conduct a more thorough review during incubation.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> The proposal does not include cryptographic code. The project depends on
> BoringSSL, but does not include it.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Currently continuous integration is performed at travis. There is also
> ci.onpagespeed.com sponsored by IIS WebSpeed which performs more extensive
> tests on commits to mod_pagespeed and ngx_pagespeed.
>
> == Mailing List ==
> Currently there are mailing lists hosted on Google Groups, that we can
> deprecate as the Apache.org become ready to serve our community.
>
>  * [[
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ngx-pagespeed-discuss|ngx-pagespeed-discuss
> ]]
>  * [[
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mod-pagespeed-discuss|mod-pagespeed-discuss
> ]]
>  * [[
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ngx-pagespeed-announce|ngx-pagespeed-announce
> ]]
>  * [[
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mod-pagespeed-announce|mod-pagespeed-announce
> ]]
>  * [[https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pagespeed-dev|pagespeed-dev]]
>
> == Subversion Directory ==
> Git is the preferred source control system.
>
> == Git Repository ==
> Git is the preferred source control system (We are proposing
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pagespeed based on the naming scheme)
>
> == Issue Tracking ==
> JIRA pagespeed (pagespeed). If possible, we’d like to use Github issues &
> PRs to manage our project as much as possible. It’s been said that there
> are ways to keep Github’s issues in sync with Jira, allowing us to get best
> of both worlds. If that is not possible, we will comply to using Jira.
>
> == Other Resources ==
> We currently use a set of Github integrated services that are free to the
> open source community, like Travis-ci. We would like to keep using these
> services as they allow us to scale contributions and optimize our
> development flows. These services require some elevated rights on the
> Github repository in order to set up or tune and we would like for the
> committers to have the required rights.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
>  * Joshua Marantz <jmara...@google.com> (Google) - committer
>  * Maksim Orlovich <morlov...@google.com> (Google) - committer
>  * Otto van der Schaaf <osch...@apache.org> (We-Amp) - committer
>  * Kees Spoelstra <kspoels...@we-amp.com> (We-Amp) - committer
>  * Ashish Kulkarni <akulka...@we-amp.com> (We-Amp) - committer
>  * Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> - Champion, mentor and committer
>  * Jukka Zitting <ju...@apache.org> - Mentor
>  * Nick Kew <n...@apache.org> - Mentor
>  * Phil Sorber <sor...@apache.org> - Mentor
>
> == Affiliations ==
> The initial committers are employees of Google Inc., We-Amp B.V.
>
> == Sponsors ==
>  * Google, We-Amp / IIS WebSpeed
>
> == Champion ==
>  * Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
>  * Jukka Zitting <ju...@apache.org>
>  * Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>
>  * Nick Kew <n...@apache.org>
>  * Phil Sorber <sor...@apache.org>
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> Incubator PMC
>

Re: [PROPOSAL] PageSpeed

[Jukka Zitting]

Let's start a VOTE tomorrow if nobody has big concerns or issued they'd
want to clarify before the vote.

The way I see it, the biggest items to look at during incubation is
completing the transition from a Google-driven project to an independent,
diverse community and doing a license review of the various dependencies
PageSpeed has. I don't expect big issues with either, just noting that
these will require some effort.

There's also an existing PageSpeed trademark for  "computer programs for
use in newspaper layout and composition", so we'll need to work with the
branding team to figure out how much of an issue that is.

Best,

Jukka

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:29 PM Leif Hedstrom  wrote:

>
> > On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:44 AM, Otto van der Schaaf 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Apache Incubator Community,
> >
> > We are excited to share our proposal for discussion and feedback for
> > entering Apache Incubation.
> > PageSpeed represents a series of open source technologies to help make
> the
> > web faster by rewriting web pages to reduce latency and bandwidth.
> >
> > Our proposal can be found at
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PageSpeedProposal and is also included
> > below.
>
> Ping? Any more thoughts on this, or should we take this to a [VOTE] ?
>
> We might want one more mentor if anyone is interested?
>
> Cheers,
>
> — leif
>
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Bringing mod_pagespeed to the Incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi Incubator folks,

This is an initial heads up about bringing the mod_pagespeed
 project (aka PageSpeed) to the ASF through
incubation. See Joshua's message

to the project forums for more background.

A formal proposal will be coming up soon. Meanwhile please reply with any
questions or concerns that you'd like addressed in the proposal or during
incubation.

Leif and I have already been talking with the PageSpeed team about the ASF
and the incubation process. It would be great to have at least one extra
mentor, so please let us know if you're interested!

Best,

Jukka

Incubation capacity

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

It sounds like ruminations about the Incubator are on the increase again,
so I figured I'd wake up from my slumber and share an insight of mine.

I believe the way the Incubator is organized sets an upper bound on the
number of podlings it can effectively manage. Based on experience and
historical data (http://incubator.apache.org/history/ *) I believe this
limit is somewhere around 30 podlings.

Assuming my theory is correct, proposed changes to the Incubator structure
should be primarily evaluated on whether they increase bandwidth (number of
podlings we can manage), decrease latency (time to graduation or
termination) or tighten the entry criteria (implicit or explicit).

Proposals that tighten exit criteria or add extra constraints (voting,
reporting, etc.) during incubation may solve some immediate issues, but
will likely not help with the big picture unless they come with termination
clauses for podlings that fail to meet the constraints.

*) That graph was one of the key metrics I looked at during my time as the
Incubator VP.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

Re: Incubation capacity

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:50 PM Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@zitting.name> wrote:
> > It sounds like ruminations about the Incubator are on the increase again,
>
> I hope that we can make use of some of this bursting energy and channel it
> into incremental improvements.
>
> The Incubator is a stable platform, and it has been functioning well by
> historical terms, and with blessedly low drama compared to a few years ago.
> My impression is that frustration with the institutional resistance of
> Incubator to change is skewing impressions of how well it is doing its job of
> incubating podlings.

Yes, we're far from the drama of 2011.

> > I believe the way the Incubator is organized sets an upper bound on the
> > number of podlings it can effectively manage. Based on experience and
> > historical data (http://incubator.apache.org/history/ *) I believe this
> > limit is somewhere around 30 podlings.
>
> I'm curious, Jukka.  Why 30?

I don't have a firm theory on why this is happening, only some key observations:

* The entry rate of new podlings has been amazingly constant
throughout the existence of the Incubator even though the total number
of open source projects has been growing exponentially for much of
this time.

* The "limit" was first reached in 2006 during which the board first
pushed back on Incubator reports and the current monthly 1/3 reporting
schedule was adopted and the process of retiring dormant podlings was
adopted.

* The Incubator stayed at or slightly above the 30 podlings limit
until around mid-2010 after which many podlings started getting stuck,
leading to the crisis of late 2011.

* We solved that problem with a concentrated effort in 2012 that
brought the Incubator back to around 30 active podlings, a level that
stayed mostly stable for the next two years.

* The number of current podlings is again growing, and some of the
issues that have shown up recently remind me of the problems seen five
years ago.

It could be that I'm just selectively interpreting history to match my
theory, but from a systems perspective it does look as if the
Incubator indeed has a structural bandwidth cap that probably feeds
into and limits the entry rate.

>  What are the scarce resources?

Some possible answers:

* Mailing list. There is only so much general@ traffic that a single
IPMC member can reasonably process without starting to skip
significant parts.

* Mentors. The growth rate of the IPMC is fairly constant and, with
most members becoming inactive over time, I believe the number of
active mentors has not grown too much over the years.

* Chair/Report Manager. Someone still needs to pay attention to
everything that's going around, which I believe you and all other
recent chairs agree is a daunting task.

One could run some numbers to better quantify the above possibilities.

> And how is this supposed degradation manifesting?

The noise got loud enough to wake me up. :-) I don't have hard
numbers, but we do have a couple of recent failures and it sounds like
some people are getting concerned, which does remind me of early 2011.
Of course the one thing you can learn from history is that things are
never quite the same.

> Additionally, I'll note that while we're at 43 or so podlings right now, we
> have multiple podlings about to retire (Droids, Kalumet, likely Corinthia) and
> others about to graduate (Kylin, Groovy).

Right, this might be just a fluke.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: I still don't see your priorities

[Jukka Zitting]

Gmail marks Stefan Reich's messages as spam as they don't pass all sender
domain checks. That makes following this thread a bit difficult.

2015-07-06 10:52 GMT-04:00 Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com:

 I presume, since your message has received responses, that it's clear to
 *someone* what you're talking about. To the rest of us, this feels like a
 message that was either posted the wrong place, or simply lacks any context
 whatsoever.

 Can you either elaborate on what this rant is about, or take it to the
 correct forum?

 --Rich

 On 07/04/2015 12:53 PM, Stefan Reich wrote:

 You wait for something to exist, and THEN you support it?

 How about taking something good that WANTS TO EXIST, and supporting that?

 Stefan



 --
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 http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon


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Re: [DISCUSS] Communicating intent around non-release, downstream integration binary artifacts

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

2015-06-23 9:22 GMT-04:00 Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com:
 There was one attempt to try to do serious IP review on every
 commit in order to avoid 72 hours at vote time.  I’m not sure
 what happened to that proposal.

One related thread was http://markmail.org/message/jyicon7nkmfnf322

I never really followed up on that due to a career move that has
reduced my time here, but the thread has some good ideas (and
important concerns to address) for anyone who's interested in
exploring alternatives.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: Callback SVN tree - is it still needed?

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:48 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
 There is still a large SVN tree under

 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/callback/

 Callback was originally PhoneGap and is now Cordova

 Anyone know whether this SVN tree should be kept - in which case maybe
 it should be renamed to cordova - or deleted?

We can delete the directory. It was originally created for the
git-svn migration planned in INFRA-4044, but was abandoned as we
opted to instead stick with Git.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: Subscribtion at the private list

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote:
 I'm still not subscribed at the private incubator list. I was sending a
 request, but for some reasons, I'm not registred yet. Can someone help me to
 get on the private list. Thanks!

I checked through the backlog of recent subscription requests and
approved the new IPMC members. Welcome!

Apologies for the delay. It seems like we need a few new moderators
for private@incubator. Any volunteers?

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Chukwa graduation

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

[also on general@]

  [x] +1 Graduate Chukwa podling from Incubator

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: April report filed

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
 +1 to everything Greg says, especially about Benson not being anything
 more than the liaison. The IPMC is a difficult place, people should
 take responsibility. Benson is doing just that (along with a bunch of
 people helping out).

Right. When I started putting more effort into the Incubator back in
the beginning of last year, making significant change only took extra
time and commitment from myself, not changes in tooling or processes,
nor much help from others. The latter bits can of course help, but
they won't go anywhere by themselves.

On the other hand, since we're a volunteer organization, a better
message here would be that people *can* take responsibility, not that
they *should* do so. If there aren't enough people with enough free
cycles (I woke up next to a three month old reminder that there are
higher priorities in life :-), then it's a flaw in the structure that
requires more volunteer effort than is available rather than a failure
of the volunteers involved.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate cTAKES from Incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Chen, Pei
pei.c...@childrens.harvard.edu wrote:
 This is to open a VOTE to graduate Apache cTAKES podling from the Apache 
 Incubator.

  [x] +1 Graduate Apache cTAKES podling from Apache Incubator

Good luck!

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: The report/review cycle

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 It is a week before the board meeting, but not a week before the
 weekend before the board meeting.

No, quoting the last reminders from Marvin:

The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 16 January 2013, 10:30:00:00 PST.
The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
report. The
Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board
meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Jan 2nd).

This practice was adopted in late 2011 (see the discussion in [1]),
and was used throughout last year. Unfortunately it looks like readily
available information about the podling report deadline was lost when
we refactored [2] the reporting schedule mechanism.

[1] http://markmail.org/message/j3iagar2p75c7usa
[2] 
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule?action=diffrev1=292rev2=293

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: The report/review cycle

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 What do people think of making the podling reporting deadline be a
 full week before the board's deadline?

That's what it used to be. Did it change?

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: Please add me to the ContributorsGroup on wiki.apache.org/incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 4:32 AM, antoine anto...@agilebuild.com wrote:

 my user id in the wiki is antoine


Added to ContributorsGroup.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

Re: DeviceMap status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of October2012 by BertrandDelacretaz)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

Following up from last quarter based on the January report in [1].

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Apache Wiki wikidi...@apache.org wrote:
 No new committers or PPMC members, and very low activity so far, but
 the OpenDDR code that was mentioned in the incubation proposal has just
 been donated, which should help motivate people to become more active.

 OK, let's keep an eye on the situation. Hopefully the newly arrived
 code and perhaps a release based on that can bring in more activity.

As mentioned in the latest report, the activity unfortunately hasn't
picked up too much even though there have been some positive signs
lately. Here's my shepherd note on the report:

  Third consecutive quarter with low activity. There's some improvement
  over the previous quarter, as mentioned in the report, but turning that
  into sustainable community activity may take some effort (or luck). Is
  there anything the broader Incubator community could do to help?

Have you considered cutting a release with the code you already have
in place? That might help bring over some people who are now using
OpenDDR.

[1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2013

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Re: Shepherds

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote:

 I've assigned some sheperds


I'm a bit late on my reviews, should have them done tomorrow.

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Re: First attempt at January2013 report template

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

1.1.2013 3.36 David Crossley cross...@apache.org kirjoitti:
 It all requires podlings to keep the project metadata up-to-date!
 Clutch can only use the data that it is fed. The poor state of
 the metadata has many ramifications.

 The main laggards are graduated projects.

 That behaviour will cause similar issues when they are TLPs.

True, though we should always remember that we are here primarily to write
great open source software and help others do so, not to maintain
impeccable project metadata.

The main beneficiaries of good podling metadata are the IPMC and the tools
we use to guide Incubator processes, while the podlings themselves gain
little direct value from updating Incubator records.

Thus I rather feel thankful to the podlings and mentors that do find the
time to maintain our records, and instead of casting blame would love to
see us helping those that find the overhead too much.

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Re: [VOTE] retire photark

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 3:52 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 Having received no traffic on the discussion thread, and in particular
 no traffic at all from the PPMC, I hereby call a vote to retire
 photark.

+1

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Bloodhound status (Was: Shepherd assignments, December 2012, first pass)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 Jukka Zitting: Bloodhound

The report looks pretty good - they've added a few new committers and
cut some releases after their previous report. The report, like the
previous one, notes community diversity as the top issue, but with the
new committers in place and looking at the nicely growing commit and
list activity it seems to me as if the project is already on a good
track towards graduation.

In fact based on my brief review I don't see any notable reasons to
vote against graduation should a vote come up tomorrow, so I've
categorized the project as ready to graduate as soon as they feel
they're up to it. Mentors, please correct if needed.

The report was so far signed off by just one mentor (though I assume
Greg will review it latest when it hits board@) and there was some
delay earlier in getting their release reviewed, but apart from that
it looks like the mentors are doing a great job helping the project.

PS. It would be interesting to see a summary of how the relationship
with the Trac project played out in practice. I remember this being a
source of quite a bit of concern when Bloodhound was being proposed,
but it looks like everything has worked out fairly well. This might be
a useful example to keep in mind when similar cases come up in the
future.

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Re: Wrapping it up: Retirement decision making

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Hi,

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
 Also, I'm too lazy to troll through the list to collect the two new 
 additional mentors for Chukwa,
 I think that it was Ant and Jukka.  Can Ant and Jukka confirm?

Confirmed.

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Re: What constitute a successful project?

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Hi,

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote:
 Apache is a non-profit organization.  If we restrict our thinking model to
 metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
 pre-defeined time limit.

Chukwa has soon spent four years incubating, with the activity level
dropping off significantly after the first year or two. We have quite
a few examples of projects where such history predicts the eventual
dissolution of the entire community. There are however also a few
cases where the community has been able to revive itself.

The question here isn't about exact metrics or some predefined level
of activity that the project should be able to reach, but rather the
trajectory you're on. Is there a reasonable expectation that Chukwa
can reverse the downward trend in activity? What are you going to do
to make that happen?

As discussed, you already tried a few things to revive the community
earlier on. What makes this time different? Why would another say six
months help if the previous ones didn't?

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Re: What constitute a successful project?

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Hi,

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Chukwa has soon spent four years incubating, with the activity level
 dropping off significantly after the first year or two.

Sorry, correction: Chukwa has been incubating since July 2010 after
being a part of Hadoop earlier. Got confused by the longer mailing
list and commit histories. The basic premise still stands, Chukwa was
a lot more active in 2009/10 than it is now.

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Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

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Hi,

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
 another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no problem
 with that.

As usual a -1 should be backed by a credible alternative. I'm willing
to step in, with the caveat that my time for this will drop quite a
bit in about a month.

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Re: What constitute a successful project?

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Hi,

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya
nandana@gmail.com wrote:
 Thinking in general not on this specific case, may be we can define a
 formal warning for retirement for podlings where the PPMC has to come up
 with a concrete plans for the next six months and some measurable goals.

A podling, regardless of its state, should always have such a concrete
plan - the plan towards graduation.

If a podling doesn't have such a (at least unwritten) plan, the
mentors and the broader IPMC should remind the project about it. Such
reminders are a big part of how we've been able to push so many
podlings forward during this year.

If a podling can't or won't come up with a credible graduation plan
(be it because of lack of activity or other reasons like licensing
issues), its time to retire the podling.

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Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

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Hi,

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
 The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.

-1 The community vote [1] was far from unanimous. I'd expect the
community being retired to have greater consensus (or, as is more
common in such situations, at least indifference) about something like
this.

[1] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-chukwa-dev/201211.mbox/%3c852ac9fe-f6a3-4a96-b0b9-653320e47...@toolazydogs.com%3E

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Re: What constitute a successful project?

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
 Even by the PPMC's comments they obliquely acknowledge that there's not much
 activity and expressed an interested in simply keeping it around with the 
 hopes
 that something would happen; there were no concrete ideas or plans on how to
 grow the community because, by their own admission, no one has the time to
 work much on the project.

That lack of concrete plans is a good place to start. Anyone from the
community who opposes retirement should take it up on themselves to
provide such a concrete plan for example in time for next month's
report. Just like the caster of a technical veto should come up with
an alternative implementation. :-)

As an example of how this can play out, see the way we asked Kitty to
provide such a plan [1] when some members of the community opposed the
idea of retirement. In Kitty nobody stood up to the task, so a few
months later the final decision to retire the project was a pretty
easy one to make.

Another example with a different outcome is JSPWiki that had a similar
discussion at the beginning of the year, and actually a few members of
the community did start working through all the issues and have now
produced their first Apache release and seem to be on a path towards
graduation even though the project is still far below its past
activity.

[1] http://markmail.org/message/smhl3cxvrgq5cf22

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Re: What constitute a successful project?

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
 As I mentioned in an earlier email, we did have this conversation seven
 months ago.  We came to a consensus to give it another try.  We even added
 a few committers a bit early with the hopes that they would infuse the 
 project
 with more energy.

That doesn't take away the fact that there are still people who are
clearly interested in continuing work on the project. Instead of
telling the community to pick up their toys and leave, I'd much rather
ask them to come up with a credible alternative. The failure of past
attempts to grow the community does not necessarily mean that future
attempts will also fail, so I'd give the community the benefit of
doubt as long as there are new ideas and people willing to try them.

If I understand correctly the problems in Chukwa are two-fold: 1) the
community isn't diverse, i.e. there are only few people involved, and
2) the community isn't active, in that even the involved people don't
have too many cycles to spend on the project.

Thus I'd raise the following questions to Eric and others who want to
keep Chukwa alive at the ASF:

a) Is it reasonable to expect existing community members to become
more active in near future? If yes, will such increased activity be
sustainable over a longer period of time?  Why? IIUC there was some
recent legal progress that might help here. What would be the best way
to measure the expected increase in activity?

b) How do you expect to get more people involved in the project? What
concrete actions will be taken to increase the chances of new
contributors showing up? Why do you believe these things will work
better than the mentioned earlier attempts at growing the community?
Good ideas of concrete actions are for example cutting new releases,
improving project documentation, presenting the project at various
venues, simplifying the project build and initial setup, and giving
more timely answers and feedback to new users and contributors (see
also my observation from October [1]). How can we best tell whether
such efforts are working?

Coming up with good answers to such questions is not necessarily easy
(and it's fine if not all of them can yet be answered), but going
through that effort should give us a good reason to continue the
incubation of Chukwa at least for a few more months until we should
start seeing some concrete and sustainable improvements in community
activity and diversity.

[1] http://markmail.org/message/tvs4yivabvrig7ia

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Wink from Incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Please cast your votes:

  [x] +1 Graduate Wink podling from Incubator

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Nuvem as a sub-project under Apache Tuscany

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Please cast your votes:

  [x] +1 Graduate Nuvem as a sub-project under Apache Tuscany

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New IPMC chair

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

In their meeting yesterday the ASF board appointed Benson Margulies as
the new VP, Apache Incubator. Congratulations!

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Re: [Shepherd] Amber

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
 I put Amber in the Ready to Graduate category. If the podling doesn't move 
 then it
 could also be put into Low Activity and that would not bode well for the 
 future.

OK, sounds reasonable. Thanks for the review!

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NPanday status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of November2012 by BrettPorter)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

Thanks for the report, NPanday!

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Apache Wiki wikidi...@apache.org wrote:
 + NPanday's lull in activity has continued with the committers busy 
 elsewhere. There is
 + still interest in pulling together a release, which hopefully will spur 
 further activity, but
 + little progress has been made since the last report.
 +
 + As we reported 2 months ago, we continue to see occasional questions from 
 users,
 + and occasional patch submissions, but haven't added a new committer since 
 20 April
 + 2011.
 +
 + The last release was on 16 May 2011.

That's a pretty long time without releases or new committers. Also,
the low activity level for two consecutive quarters [1] is alarming.

You mention some ideas on how to get more people actively involved,
but if they fail we may need to start looking at alternatives to
graduation to a TLP.

 + We are still short on mentors, and would appreciate any volunteers!

Anyone interested? NPanday looks like a project with a potential for a
large base of users and contributors, but only if it re-reaches the
critical mass needed to sustain continuous improvement. One or two
more mentors working as community catalysts might do wonders here.

[1] http://markmail.org/message/zxum7xi3mxa6um3h

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Re: Shepherd Assignments?

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
 I'm waiting for my shepherd assignments.

Good, I'll get to that in a moment!

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Re: November reports

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Wookie is graduated? Shouldn't they be reporting as a TLP, even if
 they haven't moved all their stuff yet?

 Their graduation vote passed, but until the board establishes the TLP
 in the next meeting they (like Syncope) report through the Incubator.

In fact, since we already did pass the graduation vote, there isn't
much need for any more detailed reviews, so like Syncope I moved
Wookie directly to the Ready to graduate category and removed it
from the shepherd TODOs.

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Re: [VOTE] Accept Apache Streams as an Incubator Project

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Franklin, Matthew B.
mfrank...@mitre.org wrote:
 Please vote.

  [x] +1 Accept Streams into the incubator

Though I do think there's some life also in the alternative name,
Apache Screams, that came up in discussion during ACEU. ;-)

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Re: Karma for incubator wiki

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Andrew Hart ah...@apache.org wrote:
 Could someone please grant me karma to edit the incubator wiki? I'd like to
 add my name to a proposal. My wiki username is 'AndrewHart'.

Done.

 Incidentally, it looks like Davide Palmisano (see below) is in the same 
 situation.

What's his wikiname?

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Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, and Jukka picked up the gauntlet thrown down by the board and
 used the shepherds to turn the situation around. The resulting system
 does not feel like a finished product, and I suspect that the Finn in
 question will agree with me.

FTR, I agree. :-)

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Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to have a
 space for each of the mentors, every month, to reaffirm his or her
 involvement in the podling. Thus, instead of (at most) one mentor signing
 off on the report, itself, we'd get a reading on how many mentors are in
 the game. If the number were less than 3 -- and -- especially, if it were
 less than one, we'd be alerted and could make it a priority to find
 replacements.

That last bit may be a bit troublesome.

I did something similar earlier in the summer when I identified a
number of inactive mentors. Back then the only followup I could come
up with was to update the Incubator records and to ask for volunteers
to step in. Unfortunately it has been quite difficult to get people to
commit themselves to mentoring a project that may already be in a bit
of a trouble (existing mentors often start to loose interest when
incubation time grows).

Coming up with the shepherd model has been my attempt to answer that
problem. If we can't find enough active mentors for a podling, then at
least the IPMC should be able to collectively provide some level of
help and feedback to keep a podling moving forward (or to gracefully
shut it down).

So you're right when you say that the shepherd model was created to
compensate for a problem and ideally shouldn't be needed. However, the
problem here isn't identifying inactive mentors (as seen earlier, we
already have everything we need for that) but rather how to replace
them. So far, apart from the shepherd model, we haven't seen too many
ideas on how to solve or at least partially address that problem.

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Syncope podling from Apache Incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francesco Chicchiriccò
ilgro...@apache.org wrote:
 Please cast your votes:

  [x] +1 Graduate Syncope podling from Apache Incubator

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for managing
digital identities in enterprise environments.

Following the standard template
(https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt),
this should be:

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
the public, related to managing digital identities in
enterprise environments.

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Kafka podling from Incubator

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Hi,

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Jakob Homan jgho...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is a call for a vote to graduate the Kafka podling from Apache Incubator.

  [x] +1 Graduate Kafka podling from Apache Incubator

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Wookie podling from the incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Scott Wilson
scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is a call for vote to graduate the Wookie podling from Apache Incubator.

  [x] +1 Graduate Wookie from the Incubator per the resolution below.

Good luck!

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software related to an implementation of the
W3C Widgets family of specifications for distribution at no
charge to the public.

Note that the standard resolution template has changed a bit from
this. See [1] for the up-to-date version.

I recommend that you update the resolution to match the latest
template before submitting it to the board (otherwise the board will
likely do it for you). Since the changes are just cosmetic, there's no
need for a separate vote.

[1] 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt

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Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Let's leave the discussion open for at least a few weeks before
 conducting the election later this month.

Seems like we have one great nominee in Benson and emerging consensus
on electing him as the next IPMC chair.

Unless anything new comes up by tomorrow, I will to start a vote on
private@ to confirm this consensus.

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Re: [RESULT] Ripple Emulator to be admitted to the incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
 Next steps are documented at
 http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#bootstrap

I filed https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5414 for
coordinating the setup of initial podling infrastructure.

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Re: ${podling}.incubator.apache.org

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
 Do people mind if web sites (and maybe mailing lists) of new podlings
 live at domains of the form ${podling}.incubator.apache.org?

Sounds like we have consensus that this is a good idea. There were
some concerns about going directly to ${podling}.apache.org, so let's
not do that for now.

I'd like to suggest the new Ripple podling as a candidate for seeing
how this will work out in practice. In practice I think we'd set up
the following resources:

a separate ripple LDAP group (but no ripple-pmc yet)
mailing lists as ${list}@ripple.incubator.apache.org (will this
work with the list request form?)
web site at http://ripple.incubator.apache.org/ (backed by
/repos/asf/ripple/site)
git repository at https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ripple.git

Any objections or corrections?

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Re: ${podling}.incubator.apache.org

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
 Jukka Zitting wrote on Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:03:43 +0200:
 a separate ripple LDAP group (but no ripple-pmc yet)

 What would it be needed for?

Nothing, assuming we put the git repository at
.../incubator-ripple.git and svn at .../incubator/ripple/.

 mailing lists as ${list}@ripple.incubator.apache.org (will this
 work with the list request form?)

 No, for now request the old-naming-pattern and infra will take care of
 adjusting the requests.  (trunk/mlreq/to-piao.sh)

OK, cool.

 web site at http://ripple.incubator.apache.org/ (backed by
 /repos/asf/ripple/site)
 git repository at https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ripple.git

 I was assuming svn, git, and dist spaces remain incubator/helix
 / incubator-helix.git.

Works for me.

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Re: [VOTE] Retire the Kitty project from incubation

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Hi,

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Kitty community has voted to retire the project. I'm now moving the 
 retirement vote to the Incubator PMC.

  [x] +1 to retire the Kitty project

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DeviceMap status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of October2012 by BertrandDelacretaz)

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Hi,

Thanks for the report, DeviceMap!

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Apache Wiki wikidi...@apache.org wrote:
 No new committers or PPMC members, and very low activity so far, but
 the OpenDDR code that was mentioned in the incubation proposal has just
 been donated, which should help motivate people to become more active.

OK, let's keep an eye on the situation. Hopefully the newly arrived
code and perhaps a release based on that can bring in more activity.

 The donation included a data file with had been subject to a DMCA takedown
 request while hosted at Github. After some discussion we decided to exclude
 that file from the donation, as the ownership of part of that data is hard to
 establish. Details at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DMAP-11 which
 also links to threads on general@incubator.a.o.

I'm not sure if this was brought up yet (or already implemented), but
would it make sense for DeviceMap to treat this data file as an
optional third party dependency, i.e. be able to use the contained
information when this file is made available by the user or deployer?

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JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.

Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:

  JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
  Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
  create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
  leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
  much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
  the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
  no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
  with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
  these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
  help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
  a few quarters.

JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?

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Re: ${podling}.incubator.apache.org

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Hi,

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
 Do people mind if web sites (and maybe mailing lists) of new podlings
 live at domains of the form ${podling}.incubator.apache.org?

Not at all. I'd even be fine with ${podling}.apache.org especially if
they've already completed the PODLINGNAMESEARCH process.

See http://markmail.org/message/sbpw2ifnppzd4kal for an earlier
discussion on this that so far didn't lead to much action.

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Re: [VOTE] Ripple Emulator to be admitted to the incubator

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Hi,

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Please cast your votes!

  [x] +1, recommend Ripple to move into the incubator

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Re: Mesos status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of October2012 by andrew)

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Hi,

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Benjamin Hindman
benjamin.hind...@gmail.com wrote:
 + * Not all committers have access to Jenkins, which makes updating tests a 
 slow bottlenecked process.

 Let me know which accounts need Jenkins access so I can add them as
 job admins [...]

 It would be great to add accounts 'benh' and 'matei'.

Done.

 Also, what is the possibility of getting a generic 'mesos' account?

You'll need to ask bui...@apache.org about that.

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Re: EasyAnt - report missing

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Nicolas Lalevée
nicolas.lale...@hibnet.org wrote:
 Sorry for being late, I had hard times lately.

No worries. Thanks for getting the report in still at short notice!

 I have put some lines. Please review and sign.
 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/October2012

It's good to hear both about the increase in activity and revived
interest from within the Ant project. It sounds like you're back on a
good track moving forward.

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Re: Preparing for the October reports

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 How should we categorize the status of ODF Toolkit? In June we
 classified the podling under low activty due to the low commit counts.
 That figure and those of list activity look a bit better now, though
 it's hard to tell how much of that is just temporary improvement from
 the GSoC work.

 GSoC did not bring any lasting contributors.  But we've had a step up
 in recent activity from other contributors, not related to the GSoC
 work. So I think that part is looking good, and we're successfully
 overcoming the loss of one of the main contributors earlier in the
 year, the source of our low activity rate at the time.

 As we say in the report, if we can bring a couple more committers on
 board, and get out a 2nd release, we think we'll be ready to graduate.

OK, thanks for the update! Sounds like things are moving in the right direction.

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Re: Preparing for the October reports

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Hi,

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Franklin, Matthew B.
mfrank...@mitre.org wrote:
 I have reviewed both communities and sent notes regarding Tashi.
 Cloudstack looks to be settling in nicely.

Excellent, thanks for the reviews!

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Celix status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of October2012 by PepijnNoltes)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

Thanks for the report, Celix!

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Apache Wiki wikidi...@apache.org wrote:
 We have prepared the code base and website for release and we are
 very close to making a release.

Great stuff! Hopefully the release process works smoothly for you.

 There has been a small decrease on activity on the mailing list,
 hopefully this is a temporary decrease due to the holidays.

OK. Such drops happen every now and then for all projects. It's good
if you pay attention to the situation and are able to identify root
causes and take corrective action if activity doesn't bounce back on
it's own. Getting a release out is often a good way to revive interest
in a project.

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Re: [VOTE] Accept Helix into Apache Incubator

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Hi,

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 7:37 PM, kishore g g.kish...@gmail.com wrote:
 I would like to call a vote for accepting Helix for incubation in the
 Apache Incubator. I have pasted the full proposal below.

  [x] +1, bring Helix into Incubator

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Re: [VOTE] Recommend to the Board to establish the Apache OpenOffice Project

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 Seeing no objections to my last message, and keeping into account that this
 list had been regularly informed about the steps Apache OpenOffice was
 taking towards graduation, I'm hereby asking the IPMC to recommend the
 following resolution to the Board. Aim of the resolution is to establish the
 Apache OpenOffice Project as a Top Level Project.

  [x] +1, recommend the resolution to the Board

Good luck, and a big thank you to everyone involved!

 WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the
 Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
 Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
 open-source software related to the OpenOffice personal productivity
 applications, for distribution at no charge to the public.

The recommended resolution template has changed a bit recently. I
suggest you update the text to (otherwise the board will likely do so
in any case):

[...] charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
the public, related to open-source software related to
the OpenOffice personal productivity applications.

See 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt.

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Cordova podling from Apache Incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is a call for vote to graduate the Cordova podling from Apache
 Incubator.

  [x] +1 Graduate Cordova podling from Apache Incubator

(mentor)

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Re: Preparing for the October reports

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Jakob Homan jgho...@gmail.com wrote:
 Following up, the Kafka-not-showing-any-new-people issue was a
 documentation problem, not an actual one.  We've fixed that and are
 moving forward towards the graduation vote.

Sounds great, thanks for the update!

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Re: Preparing for the October reports

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

Thanks for the reviews, Benson! I added you as a signer-off on these reports.

As reported and discussed, Kafka remains ready to graduate and will
hopefully complete that transition shortly.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 ODFToolkit, on the other hand, seems to have a metadata problem. It
 shows no total committers and one new committer. Does anyone
 understand that? Otherwise, all their boxes are green.

Any thoughts on this from mentors or committers of the project?

How should we categorize the status of ODF Toolkit? In June we
classified the podling under low activty due to the low commit counts.
That figure and those of list activity look a bit better now, though
it's hard to tell how much of that is just temporary improvement from
the GSoC work.

Like in June, there were no mentor sign-offs on the ODF Toolkit report
and I see little mentor activity on odf-dev@. Do we need more/new
mentors for the project?

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Re: Preparing for the October reports

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 It would be nice if we had all reviews ready by Tuesday, October 9th,
 to give one extra day for unexpected delays.

I'm again running a bit late on completing the Incubator report. I
hope to have it finished and submitted already tomorrow, but for that
we still need the following shepherd reviews:

   Dave Fisher  - Celix
   Jukka Zitting- EasyAnt
   Matt Franklin- CloudStack, Tashi
   Matt Hogstrom- VXQuery
   Ross Gardler - DeviceMap, JSPWiki

Let us know if you won't have time to do the review by tomorrow, so I
or someone else can jump in where needed.

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EasyAnt - report missing

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi EasyAnt,

Your board report for this month is overdue. Please submit a report by
tomorrow if possible, otherwise we can postpone your report to next
month.

I notice that the project activity has indeed gone up quite nicely as
hinted in your July report. It would be interesting to hear how this
has worked out in practice and what your plans are going forward.

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Mesos status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of October2012 by andrew)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

Thanks for the report, Mesos!

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Apache Wiki wikidi...@apache.org wrote:
 + Mesos entered incubation on December 23, 2010.

You're getting close to two years of incubation. Let's start working
on getting you on a path to graduation. See below for some thoughts on
what I see as key issues based on your reports and a quick review of
list and commit activity.

 + Top priorities prior to graduation:
 +
 + * Continue to grow community (lots of questions on the mailing list).

Have you identified potential new committers yet? AFAICT you haven't
yet added a single new committer since you started incubation. Recent
issue tracker activity as seen for example in [1] seems to suggest a
number of potential candidates.

I'm also a bit worried about the continued dominance of commit
statistics by a single committer (98% of commits so far this year).
For diversity reasons (incl. the bus factor) it would be good if also
other (existing and new) committers could be encouraged to work on the
codebase more frequently than just once or twice a year.

 + Issues for Incubator PMC or ASF Board:
 +
 + * Not all committers have access to Jenkins, which makes updating tests a 
 slow bottlenecked process.

Let me know which accounts need Jenkins access so I can add them as
job admins [2]. Note that in a typical CI build the build
configuration often remains fairly static while tests can be added or
modified by updating the version-controlled build scripts invoked by
the CI build.

[1] http://mesos.markmail.org/search/?q=date%3A201207-201210+from%3Ajira
[2] http://wiki.apache.org/general/Jenkins#How_do_I_get_an_account

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Tashi - report missing

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi Tashi,

Your board report for this month is overdue. Please submit a report by
tomorrow if possible, otherwise we can postpone your report to next
month.

I notice a total stop in list and commit activity since August. What happened?

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Re: jspwiki

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 We seem to have a problem here. I've pinged two of the mentors here
 chosen by people in my gmail 'to' cache; could we get some input?

JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time. Earlier this year
(prompted by concerns raised by Sam) they discussed leaving the ASF as
one option due to lack of progress [1]. That proposal didn't reach
consensus, so a bit later a premature graduation attempt was made [2].
Meanwhile the project activity has remained pretty low compared to
what it was when the project entered incubation five(!) years ago.

There is still some energy in JSPWiki and I salute the efforts of Juan
Pablo and others who are keeping the project alive, but unfortunately
we aren't providing enough mentoring and other help to push the
community through incubation. Looking at jspwiki-dev@ I see only six
mentor posts since the beginning of this year.

I think JSPWiki still has the makings of a good Apache project, but
they clearly need more help. Any volunteers?

[1] http://markmail.org/message/etgsawr7mtjggppt
[2] http://markmail.org/message/bnkpzwdltlihce3k

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Isis podling from Apache Incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Dan Haywood
d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote:
 This is a call for vote to graduate the Isis podling from Apache Incubator.

  [x] +1 Graduate Isis podling from Apache Incubator

 [...]
 Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
 open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
 to enable the creation of software using domain-driven
 design principles, and the realization of this through the
 naked objects architectural pattern,
 [...]
 responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
 related to and inspired by the naked objects architectural
 pattern; and be it further

It would be clearer if these two statements of scope weren't slightly
different. How about simply:

[...] related to the naked objects architectural pattern [...]

... for both parts?

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Re: key signing

[Jukka Zitting]

HI,

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
 Downloading keys from https://www.apache.org/dist/ or
 https://people.apache.org/keys/ is good enough enough for users who
 trust root@ and Thawte.

+1

It's good to recommend people to get their keys signed by someone in
the Apache web of trust and I think we could do more in that area, but
having a key available on an apache.org server seems like a good
enough fallback until the key gets signed.

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Re: Fwd: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2012 ([ppmc])

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote:
 Can we not run the cronjob ever day and have it wake up, do some date math,
 and then go back to sleep unless the moment is right. The moment being
 right defined as 72 hours before the deadline.

We can, as soon as we have a patch. :-)

Hopefully someone who knows the script better (where it's located,
run, etc.) will fill in details on how one would go about writing such
a patch.

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Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
 Volunteers for what?  To use Steve you'll need

To start with a volunteer to list the requirements you just listed.
Thanks! :-) From your points it looks like we'd also need a few vote
counters/monitors and the rest is something I should be able to
coordinate with root@.

On 2 October 2012 00:00, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 Seems a bit premature. Let's see if we have more than one candidate.
 So far we have none.

I'm pretty confident that we'll get some good candidates. I have some
in mind, but wanted to leave the discussion open for now before
starting to nominate people.

If only one candidate appears or a consensus arises among multiple
nominees (like it did earlier this year), there's of course no need
for a more complicated voting process.

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:49 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also is there any reason to vote in secret?
 AFAIK all other PMC chair votes are just held on the private list.

 Using Steve (as currently implemented) involves quite a bit of overhead.

My main motivation for bringing Steve up is that a part of the
motivation to turn that code into a TLP was to make it easier for
people both inside and outside of Apache to use. The IPMC chair
election would be a nice opportunity to showcase the system in action.

If it indeed is too much overhead, then let's scrap the idea and fall
back to a normal vote on private@.

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New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve
 for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly
 much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as
 well as it should.

As already mentioned on private@ earlier, this time is now approaching
due to a change I didn't yet foresee in February: We're expecting our
first baby to be born in December. :-)

In practice this means that the amount of time and energy I have for
the Incubator has unfortunately already started decreasing (we're
buying a new home and moving back to Finland at least for a while) and
will likely drop close to zero in December. Thus it is time to start
considering the election of a new PMC chair for the Incubator.

Before calling for an election vote I'd like to open the discussion
for nominations and more generic thoughts about the future of the
Incubator. In the past few quarters we've done a reasonably good job
on improving the flow of the Incubator and getting many troubled or
otherwise stuck podlings moving forward again. However, there's still
a lot that could be done. What do you think the Incubator should be
like?

Just like I've carved the IPMC chair role to a rather activist form
that seems to have helped address the most pressing issues we had
earlier this year, I would expect the next IPMC chair to make the role
their own. How do you see that and the other Incubator roles, IPMC
member, mentor, champion, shepherd, etc., evolving?

Please share your thoughts on the future of the Incubator and nominate
people you think could best help us reach that vision!

Let's leave the discussion open for at least a few weeks before
conducting the election later this month. That should give us a
resolution to change the IPMC chair in time for the November board
meeting, and a chance for me to still work together with the elected
new chair during November to make sure that the transition goes
smoothly.

PS. Even though this is a personnel issue, I don't see any particular
reason for at least all of this discussion to happen on private@. Feel
free to use private@ for parts of the discussion if appropriate.

PPS. It would be nice if we could use Apache Steve for the election. Volunteers?

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Cordova (incubating) 2.1.0

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 I had a look and things mostly look good, but

 $ grep -L Apache Software Foundation $(find . -name *.java)

 finds a number of .java and .js files that are missing the Apache License
 header, for example under ./incubator-cordova-js.zip/lib/common/plugin/

 I haven't checked files with other extensions - did the Cordova team run
 RAT to check those headers?

Yes, that's one of the issues that came up during the review [1]. It's
already being resolved [2] for the next release.

The community did a similar exercise already earlier [3], but some of
the more recent changes brought in new files without the copyright
headers. That's something to improve before graduation, but personally
I don't see this as a blocker for the present release.

[1] http://markmail.org/message/53m3msdrlclbyf56
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-1477
[3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-639

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Re: Kitty status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of April2012 by AlessandroNovarini)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Perhaps the kitty community can replay the vote with a definitive outcome.

With no reaction within a week and no report since April, I think it's
safe to say that the community is no longer active and should be
retired. It doesn't look like the community has enough energy left to
do that by itself.

Kevan, since you ran the community vote on retirement, would you mind
repeating the vote on general@ for the IPMC?

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Re: Preparing for the October reports

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Raffaele P. Guidi
raffaele.p.gu...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm sorry but DirectMemory graduated in august - does this still apply to us?

Sorry about that; no need for action from DirectMemory (you can report
directly to the board). I simply missed removing DirectMemory from the
list when copying the status from July.

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Cordova (incubating) 2.1.0

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote:
 We need two additional IPMC votes.

I'm afraid the Cordova mentors may be a bit busy with other stuff, so
it would be great if there are other IPMC members who could give this
release a quick look.

If you do have a chance to look at the candidate, note that its
structure is a bit different than in most Apache releases since the
release consists of multiple semi-independent platform components that
are packaged as separate zip files inside the main release archive.
You'll need to unpack those zips (into separate directories) to get a
full view of all the included sources.

I did have a few concerns with the release candidate (see
http://markmail.org/message/53m3msdrlclbyf56), but in my view none of
those are blocking (they're already being addressed for the next
release). Of course feel free to use your own judgement on such
issues.

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Re: svn commit: r1386462 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/history/current.txt

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:28 AM,  cross...@apache.org wrote:
 Log:
 awf retired 2012-09-16

 Modified:
 incubator/public/trunk/content/history/current.txt

Thanks for keeping that file up to date! The graph at
http://incubator.apache.org/history/ is quite useful.

However, I'm wondering if there really is need to manually maintain a
separate text file when all the required information should already be
present in podlings.xml. Can we generate the current.txt file from
podlings.xml, or (even better) have the client create the history
graph directly from podlings.xml?

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[RESULT] [VOTE] Retire AWF from incubation

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Roger Schildmeijer
 schildmei...@gmail.com wrote:
 Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote on
 confirming this decision. (Will be open for 72 hours).

 I think this can be closed now.

This vote passes as follows:

+1 Alan D. Cabrera
+1 Benson Margulies
+1 Emmanuel Lécharny
+1 Greg Stein
+1 Jukka Zitting
+1 Mark Struberg
+1 Niklas Gustavsson
+1 Ralph Goers

Thanks for voting!

Any volunteers to take care of the remaining retirement steps
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html?

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Re: Kitty status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of April2012 by AlessandroNovarini)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 FYI, I'm including the following note about Kitty in this month's report:

 report
 Kitty is a lightweight, production focused, Java-based application server
 performance diagnostic and management utility. Kitty entered incubation on
 October 3rd, 2010.

 A vote to retire the Kitty podling due to inactivity is in progress.
 /report

 If you decide *not* to retire, please report next month on the outcome
 of the vote and your plans going forward. Otherwise see the retirement
 guide in http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html.

I notice that the vote on retirement failed to reach consensus [1].

Since it looks like there has been zero activity in Kitty since the
vote and the requested followup report was not made, I think the IPMC
should take over and decide to retire the project.

[1] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-kitty-dev/201208.mbox/%3C9EBAC2D2-568F-4653-8D2B-5BE926A369B1%40gmail.com%3E

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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of July2012 by JuanPabloSantos)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi JSPWiki,

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Again, like in April, I'd note that the most pressing blocker is
 getting an Apache release out.

Any progress on this front?

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Re: Kafka: A Shepherd's view

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi Kafka,

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Franklin, Matthew B.
mfrank...@mitre.org wrote:
 Report and community look great.  I look forward to a future graduation VOTE  
 :)

Me too. :-)

Any progress on the graduation front since July?

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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of July2012 by JuanPabloSantos)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
juanpablo.san...@gmail.com wrote:
 almost there, the only remaining issue blocking the release is JSPWIKI-744,
 which is almost complete, should be finished this week (most probably
 tomorrow or Tuesday). So, the vote should be casted real soon.

Great news, thanks for the update!

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OpenOffice status

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

Thanks for the report, OpenOffice!

After spend a few hours yesterday digging through list archives and
other materials I'm overall pretty happy with the things I'm seeing.
As also mentioned on your report, I believe you're well on your way to
establish a set of project-level bylaws or at least a good shared
understanding on community structure and behavior.

From my perspective it looks like you'll be ready to graduate as soon
as those discussions have reached good enough consensus.

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Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din mn...@apache.org wrote:
I checked:
 - Mailing lists and from it the community looks active to a good
 extent both on the users and developers lists
 - Last report (June 2012) they were in the 'No Release' group of
 podlings but they managed to get a release out
 - Their progress is not that fast but it is stable and steady

Great, thanks for the review!

I notice that the only reason mentioned in the report for holding off
graduation is not all code released. The Incubator is mostly
concerned that you know how to cut Apache releases, and thus showing
that ability (typically by cutting an actual release) is a graduation
requirement, but there's no need for all the code to be released
before graduation.

Thus, and given that there don't seem to be any other obvious
graduation issues, it looks to me like OpenMeetings should be ready to
graduate as soon as they think it's time to do so.

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Re: Wave: A Shepherd's View

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote:
 I have been pointing out that the ability to release correctly is what
 the incubator PMC wants to see, rather than a technically valid or
 useful release. That said, a release that is full of holes might
 actually have the counter-intuitive effect of drawing in fresh
 developers who want to fix those holes.

Indeed.

good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not
- Stefano Mazzocchi, http://markmail.org/message/56rxkrrovvkenfol

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Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings Drupal Plugin 1.0 Incubating Release Candidate 1

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:08 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com
seba.wag...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't want to create a claim here. If the request raises too many
 concerns we will simply move it to apache-extras.org. Although it
 would be better if we could maintain those plugins within the ASF and
 contributors have the chance to become full members of our project.
 Also I don't understand in what sense implementing an API
 automatically requires all code to apply a certain License.

I agree with that argument against the viral nature of GPL, but in
general the ASF has tended to honor the wishes of upstream copyright
owners also beyond the requirements of copyright law.

 Somehow those issues just prevent progress. Maybe we should wait until
 the Incubator/Board meeting at the 19th takes place?

The ASF legal team is best positioned to resolve this issue. LEGAL-147
[1] is the place to look at.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-147

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Bigtop podling from Apache Incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
 This is a call for vote to graduate Bigtop podling from Apache Incubator

  [x] +1 Graduate Bigtop podling from Apache Incubator

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Bloodhound status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of September2012 by GaryMartin)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

Thanks for the report, Bloodhound!

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Apache Wiki wikidi...@apache.org wrote:
 + Since our last report Bloodhound has had its first release, version 
 0.1.0-RC1.

Congratulations for the release. I hope you'll find a good solution to
the mentioned technical glitch.

 + The top three issues that need to be addressed to move toward graduation 
 are:
 +
 + 1. Improve community diversity
 + 2. Lowering the barrier to entry and development
 + 3. Establish a frequent release cycle

Sounds like you're on a good track.

Do you have a rough idea of how close you are to graduation in terms
of community diversity and activity? A brief look at list archives and
commit logs shows fairly active discussions (both on the list and on
the issue tracker) but not too many people actively committing stuff
yet.

I categorized Bloodhound under Low diversity for now based on the
graduation issues you reported. I'm looking forward to seeing you
become ready to graduate within the next quarter or two.

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Re: September Reports

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Let me know if you won't have time for the review by Wednesday.

We still have the following reviews to do:

  Benson Margulies - Cordova, Flex, S4
  Jukka Zitting- OpenOffice
  Matt Franklin- Isis, NPanday, Wave
  Matt Hogstrom- Bigtop, Openmeetings

I'm a bit late myself too [*], so it's still fine if you can complete
the reviews by tonight. If not, let me know so I or someone else can
still take over.

Many projects are graduating or getting close to it. Lots of nice
reading in the reports this month!

[*] Buying a home from Finland has kept me a bit distracted over the
last few days/weeks. I just signed the contract this morning. :-)

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Re: September Reports

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Benson Margulies
bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 I can do it tonight, but I completely missed the assignment email!

OK no worries, and thanks!

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Re: September Reports

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have some time tonight is there something I can help in ?

Sure, thanks! It would be great if you could take a look at some of
the following reports unless the previously assigned shepherds beat
you to it:

  Matt Franklin- Isis, NPanday, Wave
  Matt Hogstrom- Bigtop, Openmeetings

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Re: Ambari - Re: September Reports

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
 Ambari looks like it is back on track with activity and a release vote in 
 progress.

That's great news given the concerns we had earlier [1]!

[1] http://markmail.org/message/vjspyxpytkktztu2

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Re: Kalumet status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of September2012 by jbonofre)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net wrote:
 We considered documentation as a high priority because the Kalumet console
 especially contains a lot of features and requires some explanation.
 However, we can cut off a first release and continue to work on the
 documentation. The documentation can be included in a next release.
 I will discuss with the team on the dev mailing list.

OK, cool.

 Agree, we have to grow the community, both in terms of developers and users.
 A first release and ApacheCon talk should help.
 We are going to work on this.

Perfect, thanks for the update!

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Airavata from the incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Suresh Marru sma...@apache.org wrote:
 We request the IPMC to vote on the resolution to establish Airavata and to 
 recommend the resolution to the board.

  [x] +1 Graduate Airavata podling from Apache Incubator

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software related to executing and managing
computational jobs on distributed computing resources
including local clusters, supercomputers, national grids,
academic and commercial clouds and for distribution at no charge
to the public.

FWIW, I'd simplify the scope to just: [...] open-source software
related to executing and managing computational jobs on distributed
computing resources for distribution at no charge to the public. The
list of target environments only adds verbosity to the scope,
especially since the list is not exclusive.

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Airavata from the incubator

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Suresh Marru sma...@apache.org wrote:
 Thanks for the feedback. We had a discussion on this scope statement.

OK, cool. The current version is fine by me if you already reached
consensus on it. Just wanted to point it out as something worth
considering if the issue hadn't already come up.

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