Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
On 6/14/12, Gianugo Rabellino gian...@rabellino.it wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Kato is not an ASF project (yet), so wouldn't it just be rm'd rather than moving to the Attic? Well, let's try to solve this once and for all. Sure, Kato is not a full-fledged ASF process Incubator-wise, but at the same time it may have passed the IP clearance stage so it may be argued that it is ASF's IP and ASF responsability, which in turn may justify keeping it shelved in the Attic. Kato has passed the IP clearance stage, and they've done a release - http://incubator.apache.org/kato/site/downloads.html. Seems quite crap to me to just delete their code. If its not the attic then moved to an svn folder under incubator/retired would be better in my opinion. ...ant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
On Jun 14, 2012 8:46 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/14/12, Gianugo Rabellino gian...@rabellino.it wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Kato is not an ASF project (yet), so wouldn't it just be rm'd rather than moving to the Attic? Well, let's try to solve this once and for all. Sure, Kato is not a full-fledged ASF process Incubator-wise, but at the same time it may have passed the IP clearance stage so it may be argued that it is ASF's IP and ASF responsability, which in turn may justify keeping it shelved in the Attic. Kato has passed the IP clearance stage, and they've done a release - http://incubator.apache.org/kato/site/downloads.html. Seems quite crap to me to just delete their code. Woah. Relax. Gianugo just said maybe we should keep the code. So does the web page Jukka linked to. So why the anger? … -g
Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 14, 2012 8:46 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/14/12, Gianugo Rabellino gian...@rabellino.it wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Kato is not an ASF project (yet), so wouldn't it just be rm'd rather than moving to the Attic? Well, let's try to solve this once and for all. Sure, Kato is not a full-fledged ASF process Incubator-wise, but at the same time it may have passed the IP clearance stage so it may be argued that it is ASF's IP and ASF responsability, which in turn may justify keeping it shelved in the Attic. Kato has passed the IP clearance stage, and they've done a release - http://incubator.apache.org/kato/site/downloads.html. Seems quite crap to me to just delete their code. Woah. Relax. Gianugo just said maybe we should keep the code. So does the web page Jukka linked to. So why the anger? Theres no anger Greg, i don't think suggestions to delete things should be made lightly, if the code is to be kept thats great. ...ant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
Kato is not an ASF project (yet), so wouldn't it just be rm'd rather than moving to the Attic? On Jun 11, 2012 6:07 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Wearing the very small hat of shepherd, I write to start a discussion of moving Kato to the attic. The last sign of activity was at the last reporting period, and the only activity then was for one contributor to note that he had really no time to spend on the project and the future needed to be discussed. No discussion followed. The private list last saw traffic in 2009. The three listed mentors don't have time to deal with this. I'm told that Joe volunteered to help out here. I'm very tentatively proposing that the IPMC vote to shelve the project and, if the vote succeeds, that I and any other willing parties take care of the Attic process. I would expect that this thread would lead our esteemed chair to report to the board that the IPMC is actively discussing the appropriate disposition. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The three listed mentors don't have time to deal with this. I'm told that Joe volunteered to help out here. I'm one of the listed mentors, its not so much that i don't have time up till now there hasn't been anything much to do, i wasn't going to push them out. I don't think the treatment they received here was one of the ASFs finest moments and that hasn't helped anyone involved be terribly proactive. I'm very tentatively proposing that the IPMC vote to shelve the project and, if the vote succeeds, that I and any other willing parties take care of the Attic process. Agreed. There was some interest in Kato earlier when they finally figured out that they don't need to wait for Oracle, but I suppose everyone with a real itch to scratch had already moved to other things by then. That is not really what happened. Their reports over the years did cover what the actual problem was and what was tying to be done. Ideally the podling itself would decide whether to retire or not Yep and thats what i was waiting to see if it happened with this quarterly report. Agree its clear now that it is time to retire the poddling. ...ant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
puh, important topic. There are clearly 2 different scenarios 1.) An ASF project which certainly has passed all our license requirements and now became inactive - attic 2.) An incubator project where it is not clear if they passed all our license requirements and IP checks - somewhere else. In any case we must mark it that it's not yet 100% guaranteed to be IP clean! Maybe just ask those guys to pull it over to github? LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic? Kato is not an ASF project (yet), so wouldn't it just be rm'd rather than moving to the Attic? On Jun 11, 2012 6:07 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Wearing the very small hat of shepherd, I write to start a discussion of moving Kato to the attic. The last sign of activity was at the last reporting period, and the only activity then was for one contributor to note that he had really no time to spend on the project and the future needed to be discussed. No discussion followed. The private list last saw traffic in 2009. The three listed mentors don't have time to deal with this. I'm told that Joe volunteered to help out here. I'm very tentatively proposing that the IPMC vote to shelve the project and, if the vote succeeds, that I and any other willing parties take care of the Attic process. I would expect that this thread would lead our esteemed chair to report to the board that the IPMC is actively discussing the appropriate disposition. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
Hi, On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:55 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. There was some interest in Kato earlier when they finally figured out that they don't need to wait for Oracle, but I suppose everyone with a real itch to scratch had already moved to other things by then. That is not really what happened. Their reports over the years did cover what the actual problem was and what was tying to be done. I was just referring to the minor increase of interest around the beginning of this year, as documented in the March report. The longer term history is as you say more complicated and recorded in the earlier podling reports. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Kato is not an ASF project (yet), so wouldn't it just be rm'd rather than moving to the Attic? Well, let's try to solve this once and for all. Sure, Kato is not a full-fledged ASF process Incubator-wise, but at the same time it may have passed the IP clearance stage so it may be argued that it is ASF's IP and ASF responsability, which in turn may justify keeping it shelved in the Attic. As an Attic PMC member, who is also very well aware of lack of volunteers over there, I couldn't be happier with a policy stating that failed incubating projects are just rm'd, but I don't think we never came up with a clear decision on that. And I would like to make sure it's the right thing to do in the first place. -- Gianugo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
Hi, On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Gianugo Rabellino gian...@rabellino.it wrote: As an Attic PMC member, who is also very well aware of lack of volunteers over there, I couldn't be happier with a policy stating that failed incubating projects are just rm'd, but I don't think we never came up with a clear decision on that. There's already a pretty good mechanism for doing this within the Incubator: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html I don't see a need to involve the Attic or come up with some new process. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
Hi, On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: I'm very tentatively proposing that the IPMC vote to shelve the project and, if the vote succeeds, that I and any other willing parties take care of the Attic process. Agreed. There was some interest in Kato earlier when they finally figured out that they don't need to wait for Oracle, but I suppose everyone with a real itch to scratch had already moved to other things by then. Ideally the podling itself would decide whether to retire or not, but if there's nobody left to care, the decision is pretty easy also for the IPMC to make. I would expect that this thread would lead our esteemed chair to report to the board that the IPMC is actively discussing the appropriate disposition. If you like, you can also add a paragraph about this to the IPMC report (simply modify the wiki page). Or I'll take care of it tomorrow. BR, Jukka Zitting -- Jukka Zitting
[DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?
Wearing the very small hat of shepherd, I write to start a discussion of moving Kato to the attic. The last sign of activity was at the last reporting period, and the only activity then was for one contributor to note that he had really no time to spend on the project and the future needed to be discussed. No discussion followed. The private list last saw traffic in 2009. The three listed mentors don't have time to deal with this. I'm told that Joe volunteered to help out here. I'm very tentatively proposing that the IPMC vote to shelve the project and, if the vote succeeds, that I and any other willing parties take care of the Attic process. I would expect that this thread would lead our esteemed chair to report to the board that the IPMC is actively discussing the appropriate disposition. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
